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  1. I think one of the problems may be that they will be confined by the things that were founded on TBBT. They won't be able to make the people around him accept him too much and they won't be able to have his character develop too much because it would be too much of a contradiction to early TBBT Sheldon and to his efforts to change in later seasons. Personally I prefer a futuristic spin-off with the gang's children, then you can have a bunch of character in their 20's/late teen years who have some characteristics similar to the original gang, they are young so no need to artificially hold them from having families (like they are doing with Lenny) or have them mostly in marriage dynamics (so it can be like early TBBT) and you can take them wherever you want. Plus you can do cool futuristic stuff, TBBT production shine when it comes to funny props.
  2. I think it was a good episode. I had many laughs, some LOL's (e.g., "Where is Wollowitz?"; Bernadette seeing right through Howard's smooching). Howardette were nice and funny. Raj bored me a little but his decision to reject Howardette's money was good and mature to me and made me think there is still hope for him. Really liked Lenny this episode, especially the kitchen scene (great acting! both conveyed both the love and the discomfort) and Leonard's decision. I wrote my thoguhts in detail on the Lenny thread so I'll put a shortened version here with a little more on Shamy. I really liked that we got an episode full of Lenny that wasn't them fighting or unhappy for unclear or unjustified reasons! I also loved that, IMO, they showed that BOTH of them want to make each other happy and are willing to make sacrifices for each other. This is kind of new for Penny. She did things for him in the past but it was rare and didn't involve much sacrifice. So to me this is definitely character developement! I think it also shows that they really love each other, in spite of their differences. I think breaking up is not a good option for them (altough I am not rulling out, the characters and certainly the writers can make really bad choices). However, they do need to work on their communication. Ironically, I think this episode that brought the differences in Lenny's interests and prefered activities to the front, actually shows that they are not an "opposite attract" case. They may differ in these aspects, but both are generally compassionate, caring people. They care about each other and about other people (for Penny mostly her close friends) and are willing to make efforts to help and make others happy, even if those others are very difficult people (*cough* Sheldon Cooper). Sheldon's meta comments were so on point: he was has been in the middle for all those years and they do want to make each other happy but make each other sad. But while the he and the writers may think it is hillarious, I certainly disagree and I think I am not alone. If it was 2-3 times, and these were like in this episode and not like "The Romance Recalibration" and "The Emotion Detection Automation", maybe. But this is too long, too rough and just all over the place. I think the comparison between Lenny and Shamy wasn't meant to show that Lenny are bad and Shamy are so much better. What I got is that they are at almost opposite spots on a scale: Lenny are (not always but in this episode and more generally) too concerned about hurting each other, so they make efforts to hide some of their thoughts and feelings from each other and instead use various manipulations and end up fighting when they are actually on the same side. Shamy on the other hand, well not Shamy, Sheldon... he loves Amy and does things for her but also sticks to his likes, desires, thoughts and feelings to a point that it sometimes hurts her. Amy sometimes disregards his interests, like in this episode, but all of the girls do that (sadly the women on the show are the mommies who want to make their partners abandon their "immature", "pathetic" interests. Penny was more supportive in this episode which was nice!). Shamy weren't all perfect ths episode, not at all actually. So I think the message wasn't that this way is good and that way is not. There should be a balance. Shamy too can improve and I think they are (again, mostly Sheldon because it's mostly his problem) generally on the right track.
  3. Ship Zone

    So...I really liked that we got an episode full of Lenny that wasn't them fighting or unhappy for unclear or unjustified reasons! I also loved that, IMO, they showed that BOTH of them want to make each other happy and are willing to make sacrifices for each other. This is kind of new for Penny, it was always Leonard's behavior around her and she seemed to take it for granted or just be happy about it without worrying too much about her part of the deal. She did things for him in the past but it was rare and didn't involve much sacrifice. So to me this is definitely character developement! I think it also shows that they really love each other, in spite of their differences. It can be more challenging to maintain a relationship when a lot of the things each party likes to do are different from those of the other party, and yet they have been together for several years now and got married. IMO this means there is a lot of love there. I think breaking up is not a good option for them (altough I am not rulling out, the characters and certainly the writers can make really bad choices). However, they do, as said here and on other threads many times, need to work on their communication. Couples therapy will be great for them because it seems like both of them will be motivated to work on their issues and I certainly believe they can do it. But they need a professional, not a Shamy interferance. Speaking of Shamy...I think the comparison wasn't meant to show that Lenny are bad and Shamy are so much better. What I got is that they are at almost opposite spots on a scale: Lenny are (not always but in this episode and more generally) too concerned about hurting each other, so they make efforts to hide some of their thoughts and feelings from each other and instead use various manipulations and end up fighting when they are actually on the same side. Shamy on the other hand, well not Shamy, Sheldon... he loves Amy and does things for her but also sticks to his likes, desires, thoughts and feelings to a point that it sometimes hurts her. Shamy weren't all perfect ths episode, not at all actually. So I think the message wasn't that this way is good and that way is not. There should be a balance. Speaking about comparisons: I think the Howardette interaction emphasized how selfless and thoughtfull Leonard's decision at the end was. He decided to give up in order to be with his wife doing something they both will be okay with, whereas Howard wanted to give up so he wouldn't be alone with Sheldon (this is not something against Howardette, just shows something about Leonard's decision). Ironically, I think this episode that brought the differences in Lenny's interests and prefered activities to the front, actually shows that they are not an "opposite attract" case. Those cases, in fact, are quite rare in real life. They may differ in these aspects, but both are generally compassionate, caring people. They care about each other and about other people (for Penny mostly her close friends) and are willing to make efforts to help and make others happy, even if those others are very difficult people (*ahm* Sheldon Cooper *ahm* Rajesh Koothrapally). The latest TR appears to show it too: at the beginning it says that both Leonard and Penny feel sorry for Raj and decide to offer him their spare bedroom, while Bernadette has to talk to Howard a little bit to change his initial joking reaction and Shamy are not even talking about it. Both Leonard and Penny are also sarcastic and joke on their friends (more Penny but Leonard is not too far from her level) but that was not emphasized in this episode. Sheldon's meta comments were so on point: he was has been in the middle for all those years and they do want to make each other happy but make each other sad. But while the he and the writers may think it is hillarious, I certainly disagree and I think I am not alone. If it was 2-3 times, and these were like in this episode and not like "The Romance Recalibration" and "The Emotion Detection Automation", maybe. But this is too long, too rough and just all over the place. I really hope they will have them work on their problems, fueled by their love, and not ruin it all by continuing this fight-resolve-fight-resolve cycle, that doesn't get them anywhere and doesn't bring them (and us) any insight about the root causes of their problems, until it breaks them. I want to say I believe the second option won't happen but I lost confidence in the writers.
  4. Thank you for the clarification
  5. Plus, the way things are presented makes me believe that Penny will be much more miserable without Leonard. I don't know about him, maybe after a long time he will be okay. To me, her problems do not appear to be caused by him or by their relationship.
  6. That's one of the biggest problems for me lately: they always make it appear as if they are finally going to get to the root of the problems (which as I said I think is mostly about Penny, not her treatment of Leonard which is the problem itself but something deeper that she can't quite figure out) but then it's just another fight, another off-screen resolution and the next episode/two the same thing all over again. If it was going on for 3-4 episodes, the last one of them being the one where they have a serious talk and a proper understanding and resolution, I wouldn't mind, it would be indicative of some interest and thought about the characters from the writers. I'm all for exploring deep psychological issues (come on! I'm a clinical psychology MA student!). But this is going nowhere for too long.
  7. Maybe we should start a Twitter attack (not serious...or am I?)
  8. So the Lenny fighting/drama/rough patch is back again... Every time they go there I get more confused, because it's never resolved and seems to lead nowhere. I think this is another one that points to Penny. I got the impression that Beverly suggested she is the one who looks for buffers and Leonard was thinking about it as something that stems from her (Penny), not him (did I get it right @2L344?). Is this related to the "pressure" she talked about in "The Locomotion Reverberation"? Maybe when there is an annoying roommate she can blame him for that sense she has that she and Leonard are not moving along, but when they are alone she has no one to blame but herself. Perhaps "The Romance Recalibration" was her blaming Leonard for much more than was justified (because I understand being mad at him burping and sucked into his gaming, but not at as much as she did) and understanding it is unfair (I think she realized it at their fight in the appartment). The problem is they keep putting it out there and never really deal with it. They just turn it into another fight, making Lenny look like a misrable couple about to divorce. In earlier seasons they would have them talk it through like in "The Tangible Affection Proof" which is one of my all time favorites. Why are they dragging it for so long now? Are they building something for the season finale? It's getting too frustrating, even casuals will get sick of it if they hadn't already. I won't comment on other things because I read TR only partially, I want to leave me some surprises. Lately I mostly read the Lenny parts because the writers have made me so anxious about them.
  9. Great points! Hope it will help
  10. Raj doesn't knowhis rent and his place is quite small, he even said so, I don't remember when exactly. It is weird that he can't afford it. Penny had problems paying her rent and bills but still lived alone for years...That's why I think it is more of a plot device than a realistic solution (Penny's situation wasn't realistic either)...
  11. Ship Zone

    I guess the writers want them to mentor another obnoxious guy now that they are mostly done with Sheldon and he moved on to to the next level (learning from his girlfriend). Hopefully it will being fun and interesting stuff and not mean unjustified fights...
  12. Thank you @2L344! I guess the writers think that Lenny are done with Sheldon and now need to take another obnoxious guy under their wings... Hope the Lenny drama this time isn't too big and unfounded (I'm sure the Shamy drama won't be). It seems unreasonable that Raj and Stuart don't go back to living together but I suppose they believe Raj in 4A will be more interesting...
  13. I guess I tend to think she is Kaley's age, and it also seems more logical to me that she rounded up 21 and 10~ months to 22 than that she made a mistake in "The Barbarian Sublimation". Even though she was sleep deprived she would have been almost 23/24 by then, it's not that she just turned 23 and hadn't got used to it. Bottom line, there is no clear answer to that, again inconsistent writing.
  14. In "The Barbarian Sublimation" (season 2) she says she is 22, so in "The Valentino Submergence" it was either a mistake or she was rounding up and was actually 21 and almost 10 months when they met.
  15. They met at the end of 2007, it's now the beginning of 2017. Also, since her birthday is December 2 she probably rounded up.