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  1. Although I find Penny very immature at times I don't think they're not ready to have a baby. They have been Sheldon's surrogate parents for years now. The "lack maturity" line in "The Positive Negative Reaction" felt unfounded to me. Just the writers making up excuses to keep them stagnant because when it comes to Lenny they have very hard time letting them advance and grow, even though they do it well enough with Howardette and Shamy. IMO, Lenny are more prepared to be parents than Howardette. Don't get me wrong, I believe people should never have a baby in order to solve their problems. But if this is the problem, meaning Penny wants to start a family but is conflicted by her commitment issues and insecurities, and perhaps also surprised/afraid to be the one who wants to take a step forward (Leonard was always the one to push forward), then maybe they should consider it. Put it on the table. Perhaps not start trying right now but discuss it and decide to be more aware of their feelings to figure out when they are ready. Kind of like the engagement.
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    That's exactly the part that almost made me tear up! So subtle yet so well performed, I really felt for him throughout the whole episode. Kaley gave similar vibes too, especially after the fight. These two are so much in sync, I think this is one of the reasons the Lenny relationship is so powerfull and engaging <3
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    This episode was very hard for me to watch. I almost teared up watching Leonard (kudos to Johnny for that! I think his acting was great). The way I see it, he was really offended when Penny said he wasn't trying. Some reviewers blamed him for being defensive and confronting her, but I think he acted this way because he was genuinely hurt. I know she referred to the present situation but still, it felt like disregarding his past (huge) efforts, his reaction to me was more like "I have put so much effort into this relationship and it's still not enough for you?". I guess I felt quite offended for him too. Sure, Leonard burping and playing video games in his underwear isn't nice. And I get that she wants a romantic gesture once in a while. But she could tell him that gently and recognize that he had put so much effort while she had out very little. I'm sure he would have happily improve his behavior if she just told him "Leonard it has been a long time since you made a romantic gesture like the ones you used to do that I really enjoyed. I miss that and it makes me feel as if you are taking me for granted. I would be really happy if we try to get some romance back into our relationship". IMO it was clear that after hearing what she said he did recognize that he is becoming a little too comfortable and was willing to work this out. That is why he came to the Spa to talk to her. When they came to Shamy it was clear that both of them were willing to work out their problems, even if it means giving an RA a try. I still don't like the RA since I think they could just write some rules by themselves but I'll let it pass, I believe it was for the sake of comedy. I think one of the problems with this episode is the choice to make their conversation off-screen. IMO seeing them talking about their issues and deciding they want to make efforts to solve them would have made us feel better about the state of their relationship and their decision to try an RA. I still believe that things escalated this much because it is not only about their relationship. I don't think Leonard's behavior and recent decrease in efforts is enough to cause such hard feelings and such a fight. I think Penny is generally unhappy and is having a hard time figuring out why. In her fantasy she says she is so lucky to have him. Perhaps this is what she says to herself to cheer herself up, so realizing that Leonard doesn't do these gestures anymore takes away one of the few things that make her happy scared her and made her react strongly. Maybe in some part she was even scared for their relationship. In season 8 we found out that she thinks their relationship is, to great extent, dependent in him being infatuated with her. Her relationship and feeling desired by Leonard might have been what was keeping her well enough. I think she is used to be the object of desire. She didn't get to become an admired actress. Now her relationship is becoming more equal, Leonard is not chasing her as is she was a godess anymore. She was always the desired girl, ever since she was a kid and maybe that is the way she percieves herself. Maybe she never really figured out who she is and what she really wants.(This actually goes with Beverly's "external locus of identity" comment but I won't get into that, I already got to deep, I tend to do this, sorry ). It seems like 10.15 could support my suggestions that Penny is unhappy not only, and not mainly, because of her relationship. Especially if they don't cut the "incomplete" line. Perhaps her saying that she wanted to take time in last night's episode supports it too - she didn't seem angry when she said that, maybe she realized there is something more than his behavior that made her react this way. Maybe she will finally find something (in the professional domain? family domain? romantic?) that will make her feel self-fulfilled. That is why I believe the RA can bring about something good: maybe next time Penny is distressed Leonard could bring it up and say she can't dismiss her feelings anymore. Than maybe she will finally discuss her feelings with him. I believe he can support her and help her sort things out better than her friends. Talking to him had made her gain important insights in the past (e.g, "The Gorilla DIssolution", "The Tangible Affection Proof", "he Separation Oscilliation", "The Tangerine Factor"). Another positive poit for me: I really liked how she immediately signed that she is taking him "as is" with a loving smile (Tough I'm so tired of the "Penny settled for Leonard" theme, IMO he should have signed a similar clause, that woman has lots of problems that he knew about when proposing to her and when marrying her) Actually I'm wondering how Johnny and Kaley feel about this episode. Did they even promote it? I don't follow them on Twitter/IG but I remember somebody posting her tweet/IG promoting "The Holiday Summation" aand can't remember any post with a tweet/IG from her promoting this one.
  4. I'm happy my posts give you ideas I was thinking about this too. As I said it could be that things escalated this much because it is not only about their relationship. Sure, Leonard burping and playing video games in his underwear isn't nice. And I get that she wants a romantic gesture once in a while (although this is quite unfair because in about 6-7 years of relationship she barely did anything like this for him). But I don't think this is enough to cause such hard feelings and such a fight. I think Penny is generally unhappy and is having a hard time figuring out why. In her fantasy she says she is so lucky to have him. Perhaps this is what she says to herself to cheer herself up, so realizing that Leonard doesn't do these gestures anymore takes away one of the few things that make her happy scared her and made her react strongly. Maybe in some part she was even scared for their relationship. In season 8 we found out that she thinks their relationship is, to great extent, dependent in him being infatuated with her. Her relationship and feeling desired by Leonard might have been what was keeping her well enough. I think she is used to be the object of desire. She didn't get to become an admired actress. Now her relationship is becoming more equal, Leonard is not chasing her as is she was a godess anymore. She was always the desired girl, ever since she was a kid and maybe that is the way she percieves herself. Maybe she never really figured out who she is and what she really wants.(This actually goes with Beverly's "external locus of identity" comment but I won't get into that, I already got to deep, I tend to do this, sorry ) It seems like 10.15 could support my suggestions that Penny is unhappy not only, and not mainly, because of her relationship. Especially if they don't cut the "incomplete" line. Maybe she will finally find something (in the professional domain? family domain? romantic?) that will make her feel self-fulfilled.
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    After reading the latest TR I think they may be going for an arc that is more Penny-centered, her issues are obviuosly related to Leonard too but it may be that the latest dramatic escalations are rooted in her personal frustration. She seems confused, not sure about what she wants from life. I think one should never have kids in order to solve marriage problems, but perhaps this is the problem, if she wants kids but is afraid and conflicted by her commitment issues and insecurities (and perhaps also surprised to be the one to want to take a step forward) then making this decision together with Leonard, feeling supported and more prepared, could help. Her frustration may also be stemming from her professional life, maybe changing professions with Leonard's support and advice will be the key.
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    After years of dealing with Sheldon, maybe she could be some kind of an unprofessiona; counsellor for researchers haha I'm sure Caltech will pay her milliones for handling Sheldon By the way: I finally got a profile picture
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    I think it is also right for them since Sheldon has more difficulties with changes so allowing him to decide when he is ready for it seems to be a good choice. However since it's Sheldon we are talking about, it would have been nice to have someone talk to him about it and see what he thinks, maybe he is afraid it will ruin what they currently have. If Amy is afraid to ask him herself (and I would understand that, they are in a great place but this is sensitive) she can ask Leonard to sniff around, he can have heart to heart with Sheldon. I believe Leonard and Amy got a little closer now that they're neighbors and she is living with his former hard-to-live-with roommate. If she is not comfortable with that she can also ask Penny to talk to Sheldon.
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    I would love that! Maybe have Leonard say they can start trying when she is ready "take your time", so she is silent for a moment, then smiling at him "What if my time is right now?" But I know some people think that a baby means Lenny leaving the show...Molaro repeatedly implied it will "alter the DNA" if the show... Well, what if this alteration benefits the show? If they move past season 10 this could be a new, refreshing source of comedy. Don't want to work with babies? use dolls and have them mostly off screen LOL. I would like to see Penny as a mother, maybe surprisingly over-attached and over-protective (using her most powerfull weapon - her angry glare), contrasting with her usual "cool" demeanor making it a aource of humor
  9. That was a year ago and I think Leonard's question was quite general, he didn't propose having kids at that same moment and it wouldn't surprise me if he didn't bring it again
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    Reading the latest TR was actually kind of a relief for me... At the very least, I think it shows Penny is certainly not thinking about taking a break or a divorce. She is not complaining about Leonard, I won't be surprised to find out she never told him about these feelings. She is talking about buying a house and having kids with Leonard. Maybe, hopefully, it is like what I suggested about a week ago: the latest Lenny conflict stem from some stress not caused by their relationship in it self. It could be somewhat akin to "The Tangible Affection Proof": Penny is unclear about what she wants, keeps it to herself but acts hostile and upset. IMO it is very IC for her to keep things bottled up, we have seen this so many times. As I see it, she doesn't like showing vulnerability, she avoids revealing her feelings in order to keep this tough image, though it sometimes ends in a little "melt-down" (e.g, admitting her feelings about Leonard dating Priya). It could be that a part of her does want to have a baby, but her insecurities, commitment issues and longing for her youth are troubling her. Again, as in "The Tangible Affection Proof". Perhaps feeling that Leonard, who was always the one to suggest moving their relationship forward, is fine with the way things are, adds to her distress. I wish she just talked to Leonard, he could calm her down and tell her they will progress slowly, at a comfortable pace for her, like they did with the engagement... As for the house...can't understand her desire to move out when it's just the two of them and perhaps three, they have a spare room big enough for a baby... It could be so cute if Penny tells Leonard that she thinks they need to buy a house before having a baby and is stressing over that and then he makes a little surprise for her and clears up the room to show her it could be a used for their baby
  11. Reading the latest TR was actually kind of a relief for me... At the very least, I think it shows Penny is certainly not thinking about taking a break or a divorce. She is not complaining about Leonard, I won't be surprised to find out she never told him about these feelings. She is talking about buying a house and having kids with Leonard. Maybe, hopefully, it is like what I suggested about a week ago: the latest Lenny conflict stem from some stress not caused by their relationship in it self. It could be somewhat akin to "The Tangible Affection Proof": Penny is unclear about what she wants, keeps it to herself but acts hostile and upset. IMO it is very IC for her to keep things bottled up, we have seen this so many times. She avoids revealing her feelings thus keeping this tough image, though it sometimes ends in a little "melt-down" (e.g, telling Amy how she felt about Leonard dating Priya). It could be that a part of her does want to have a baby, but her insecurities, commitment issues and longing for her youth are troubling her. Again, as in "The Tangible Affection Proof". Perhaps feeling that Leonard, who was always the one to suggest moving their relationship forward, is fine with the way things are, adds to her distress. Maybe she just needs to calm down and progress at her own pace, like they did with the engagement... As for the house...can't understand her desire to move out when it's just the two of them and perhaps three, they have a spare room big enough for a baby...
  12. Maybe Jim hadn't changed yet when she took the picture, could be his own clothes
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    I too can understand her complaints. It is not nice that your SO burps around you LOL and nicer when he does romantic gestures ones in a while, especially of you got used to that. What I don't like is her reaction. She could try to understand where this is coming from. The poor guy lived woth SHELDON COOPER for 13 years and also had to put a lot of effort and be extremely patient to be with her. So he got tired and is now "cutting loose" a little... Shs could talk to him and ask him, nicely, not to take it too far or decide together that he will be allowed to "rest" for a certain period of time. But no, she has to act immature, acoid communication and disregard his side.
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    I'm going to go all Clinical Psychologiy student here so I reccommend that only those who find psychological explation inetresting read this post Leonard acting more and more confident and standing for himself more and more is a good point. TBBT never goes too deeply into psycholoogical explanations (just some superficial things for laughs or these weird and completely unfounded interpretaions in the Dr. Gallow had...) but if they did they could apply the notion of projective identification here. It's a process in which a person projects some part of her/himself that s/he is threatened by onto another person who is significant for her/him, then makes that person act consistently, and if the other introjects it then the first person reidentifies with that part in it's current form. after it was processed by the other. This dynamic is said to occur frequently in romantic relationships. It's kind of trickey and my eplanation here is simplified and there are differences on which of these (and other) steps are necessary, but I think my explanation quite represent the generally accepted meaning. So how can we apply it to Lenny? Well, we have seen, on different ocassions, that Penny acts confident but actually has some serious insecurities. It also seems that she doesn't like to appear insecure. Episodes like The Egg Salad Equivalency, The Higgs Boson Observation, The 43 Pecularity, and The Bad Fish Paradigm can support these claims. Leonard on the other hand is quite "out there" with his insecurities, he recognizes his insecurities, making him a fitting object for her to project her own insecurities on. I don't think I need do find specific examples where Penny makes Leonard feel and act insecure, that's most of the episdoes. So this thing seemed to work quite fine up untill now. But when the other part of projective identification, the one who is used as the object for projections, doesn't "take" the thing being projected - that when problems arise. Leonard starting to stand for himself, acting confident, fighting her and not letting her get her way as quickly as he used to (e.g, recent TR's, The Viewing Party Combustion) could be seen as him not taking this projected insecurity anymore. It was a gradual process but still, it is a change in their relationship and it might be hard for Penny, thus causing frequent fights. Her complaints about him not putting enogh effort may also be related to him not appearing insecure (in addition to her desire to feel desired), since his used to do many and somewhat exaggerated romantic gestures partly due to his insecurities... Anyway, even if you don't go to deep psychological explanations I think it will be interesting if they address the changes in the charctars that borught changes in their relationship. It could foster some understading (not of projective identification LOL, but that they need to be tolerant and supportive of one another and grow together) and strenghen their relationship.
  15. I don't think they can handle a break up. They fight a lot when they are together but they're worse seperated. I think in S4 Penny could hide it preety well but she was quite a mess. I mean...Zack? Really? and when she came to the restaurant where Leonard was eating with Priya...I don't think that was a coincidence. They need to have a serious conversation and start communicating better. Especially Penny. Then again, I'm really confused as to where the writers are going with this... and they also love to blame Leonard for everything, which IMO makes it hard to solve the real problems. (I guess my post turns out kind of anti-Penny, I'm not trying to witch-hunt her, just think the main problems are actually more related to issues she has to work on and to Leonard who I believe is constantly underappreciated by the charcters and writers alike)