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I don't think it really is anything about Penny being topless, it is about a secret she didn't tell her boyfriend and him showing it to the crew, when she is ashamed of it.  Add Sheldon to the mix and it could come out at any time, in a future episode, remember this is the same nut case that told Penny, Leonard thought they had disappointing sex.

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I don't think it really is anything about Penny being topless, it is about a secret she didn't tell her boyfriend and him showing it to the crew, when she is ashamed of it.  Add Sheldon to the mix and it could come out at any time, in a future episode, remember this is the same nut case that told Penny, Leonard thought they had disappointing sex.

 

But Leonard doesn't know that she's ashamed of it.

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But Leonard doesn't know that she's ashamed of it.

 

 

I know, that is what could make it worse.  He mentions it, she doesn't know he saw it, she is ashamed and runs away, there is a fight when he tries to fix things.  How many times have similar things happened in the show.  It caused him and her to stop dating, after one date, when he tried to fix her being ashamed she was not as smart as him.

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But Leonard doesn't know that she's ashamed of it.

Indeed, her feelings about the film and that scene in particular have no bearing as far as Leonard is concerned since he does not know about theme. 

 

I think the problem some of us had/have with Leonard showing that film/scene to his crewmates has to do with the intention behind it. If he is just happy and proud that his girlfriend is an actress and proves it to his colleagues with the only piece of evidence he has (i.e. the film in question), then everything is fine. If, conversely, there is an undertone of "Yeah, I'm hitting that, losers", it becomes a tad more problematic.

There is of course nothing wrong with finding one's SO beautiful and wanting the rest of the world to agree. However, there is a fine line between that and trophy territory. 

 

While we know there is more to Leonard's affection than mere physical attraction, it would be nice for him to acknowledge it and, perhaps, for Penny to hear it. In the early days of their acquaintance, he used to think of her as perfect but he is much wiser now (he asked her out in season five in spite of having thought it through). Does he know then why he loves her so, aside from her remarkable looks ?  

If he does, I'd like to hear his reasons. 

If he does not, I'd like to hear that too. After all, there is something interesting about being in love with someone and not quite understanding why. 

The repetition of the "hot girlfriend" trope is OK in and by itself; it is harmless and sometimes very funny (the hostage-like photograph for the Comic Con friends was priceless). Nonetheless, it would be lovely to have something slightly more substantial on the side. 

 

If it happens, good. It it does not, I shall endeavour to live through the pain :)

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I know, that is what could make it worse.  He mentions it, she doesn't know he saw it, she is ashamed and runs away, there is a fight when he tries to fix things.  How many times have similar things happened in the show.  It caused him and her to stop dating, after one date, when he tried to fix her being ashamed she was not as smart as him.

 

I think you're really overthinking the whole thing.  If the movie had been released back when she filmed it, would it have made a difference?  He may or may not have ever run across it, or whatever.  It's just a stupid low-budget movie that never got released.

 

Is she ashamed of the film?  Or just embarrased?  As someone else said, I can't imagine a scenario when he would bring it up, or why they would fight about if they did.  They're in a great place in their relationship, not in the precarious place they were at at the beginning of S6, they've talked about their insecurities, etc.

They have had misunderstandings and miscues, but that was before they really developed their relationship.  The community college thing was SOOO long ago, and half of that problem was the way he went about trying to "fix" a problem that didn't need fixing.

 

I don't think their relationship is so fragile at this point that Penny wouldn't be able to ultimately laugh this off, especially now that she knows that he's already seen it--AND DOESN'T THINK LESS OF HER FOR IT.  He's seen her bad gorilla slasher movie and her topless scene and HE'S STILL IN LOVE WITH HER.

 

Even if it comes up at some point (which I rather doubt) it's going to be played for laughs, not as some kind of break-up scenario.  Really.

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I know, that is what could make it worse. He mentions it, she doesn't know he saw it, she is ashamed and runs away, there is a fight when he tries to fix things. How many times have similar things happened in the show. It caused him and her to stop dating, after one date, when he tried to fix her being ashamed she was not as smart as him.

These two have grown a good bit since then though. Just look at the Valentines day episode. That could have escalated, as could almost all of the fights they had in season 6, but the writers made a point of showing the two of them talking through their problems. I don't see why that would change now.

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These two have grown a good bit since then though. Just look at the Valentines day episode. That could have escalated, as could almost all of the fights they had in season 6, but the writers made a point of showing the two of them talking through their problems. I don't see why that would change now.

I agree Molly.

I think that, after this Valentines Day episode, they will have a stable relationship now. Maybe they'll have some fights, but nothing more than an argument and during only one episode

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If it happens, good. It it does not, I shall endeavour to live through the pain :)

Or in my case, I'll live through the PEN.

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Or in my case, I'll live through the PEN.

Very nicely done sir. That is, indeed, the power of fanfiction !

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Exactly LOL

Helen Mirren was in Caligula. That movie was practically porn. hum. ok, Helen Mirren was in Caligula and she's still Helen Mirren :D heck, Peter O'Toole was in Caligula! :p

JOHN GIELGUD WAS IN CALIGULA

I thought it was just a slightly bigger version of I,CLAVDIVS. Which also has every actor from the Royal Academy of Dramatic Art in their birthday suits.

Penny is following in a proud tradition.

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am i the only one who forgot who sheldon was calling??? i thought it might be leonard but then sheldon and penny call leonard together on speaker phone ??

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am i the only one who forgot who sheldon was calling??? i thought it might be leonard but then sheldon and penny call leonard together on speaker phone ??

 

I think Sheldon on the phone is from his nightmare.  I haven't gone back to read the report for the first ep, but I think in the dream he's on the phone with Leonard and then the kraken eats Leonard, or something like that.

 

Or could it be the bedbug phone call with Amy?

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I think Sheldon on the phone is from his nightmare.  I haven't gone back to read the report for the first ep, but I think in the dream he's on the phone with Leonard and then the kraken eats Leonard, or something like that.

 

Or could it be the bedbug phone call with Amy?

 

No, the person that posted the taping report said that Amy was talking on the phone, but you never saw Sheldon (and his side of the conversation)...only her side of the conversation.  It is I think when he talked to Leonard.  It did say he called Leonard.

7.03 Script Cover was just tweeted by Bill:

 

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Yeah, and notice neither Chuck or Bill are on the story or teleplay credit.

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Yeah, and notice neither Chuck or Bill are on the story or teleplay credit.

 

Yes it was definitely noted.  Molaro is on teleplay.   It will be interesting to see  who the A plot and B plot stories are.

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I can't remember another instance of both of them not getting story or teleplay credit. Is this the first time.

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I am not aware of any other time either.   I knew Chuck was working on a couple of scripts, but they must be 7.04 and 7.05 or later.   Care to try and guess a title from it?  :icon_lol:

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How terrible!  Leonard thinks that Penny is good looking.  How could he?   What a low life.   Did Penny do the movie of her own free will?  Did Leonard drug her, take off he clothes, then made a movie of it?  Did he make a movie of her in the shower without her knowledge?  Here's a crazy idea, if you want to blame anyone, blame PENNY for taking off her clothes.   Besides, showing part of her mommy parts in a movie doesn't make her a bimbo.  Both women and men have breasts of various size.  SO WHAT?

Please Leonard has always valued Penny more then her looks, he has prooved this time and time again. But the premise of their relationship is the nerd getting the hot blonde across the hall, of course the core of their relationship is based on external characteristics. And know one is to blame for this movie, Penny is an actress who did one nude scene in a movie when she was young so what, it's not like she made a career of it, it is the same way a struggling artist would do vocals for a company for another artist, then they would alter the artists vocals and when that artist may become big, they well sell that album through boot leg without the artists permission. This is the same deal Penny did a nude scene when she was young and an aspiring actress, its pretty standard if you ask me. And when it comes to Leonard and how he actualizes Penny beyond her incredibly good looks, actions speak louder then words, Leonard maybe has always seen Penny has the hot chick around his peers, but when it comes down to it the reason why Lenny is so strong now is because the solid depth they build before dating, Leonard had a massive crush on her but at the same time they developed a friendship, Season One was vital to their relationship later on. Their are so many great moments that supersede Leonard's view of her as an object; 1. When Leonard revealed he has never celebrated his Bday, so Penny organised one, although Leonard diddn't make it apart from the video Penny showed in the end, I thought it was a very sweet moment, that has always been at the heart of Lenny its genuine. 2. Penny's costume party in S1, Penny came over to check if Leonard was okay thats when they had their first kiss, Leonard was nervous. Thats the thing with Leonard he is a nerd like the rest of the guys, but he is almost the voice of reason in the group, and Penny was the one who opened his eyes to a new world of possibilites, as Penny may of not had the education or intelligence of the guys, but she has always had worldley experience and intelligence, and I don't care what anyone says she has always had emotional intelligence, this has nothing to do with her ability recipucate emotions or up to Leonard be in relationships that don't consist of a casual pardaim. But compared to the guys it's almost say Sheldon when it comes to socializing he is too smart too function, where in some regards Penny has more intelligence. The whole premise of the show was the hot girl moving in, which challenged the guys world, their world was always in order, and then this girl moves in with all her atoms in the right place, and she represents the very thing that they have never understood women. In that regard Leonard was almost a child when he first me Penny, he has now become a man. I mean if it wasen't for Penny Howard would still be the creepy guy hitting on her haha, he met Bernadette because of her. And obviousley if it wasen't for Leonard as Sheldon put it "You invited her to lunch four years ago, everything she does IS ON YOU". Also in Season 3 Sheldon was trying behvoural modification technique on Penny, as Sheldon assumed Leonard would be appealed by an improved girlfriend, but I remember Leonard saying Penny's intracicies make her who she is. So while Leonard has always around his peers always like to show off his hot girlfriend, I never thought for a second he valued her any less then that.

 

ETA: BTW this not targeted specifically at the post above, just making a point lol

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I am not aware of any other time either.   I knew Chuck was working on a couple of scripts, but they must be 7.04 and 7.05 or later.   Care to try and guess a title from it?  :icon_lol:

I will later. I'm at rehearsal and I want my desktop monitor so it will be larger

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I find it sadly humorous to see some who is clearly a Shenny supporter saying that Lenny is a bad relationship because Leonard only appreciates her physical appearance. Even if we take your analysis of their relationship as true (which is a real stretch, given all of their interactions, especially in season 1 and 2), what you are saying is that Penny should break up with the guy who thinks she is a beautiful trophy girlfriend and willing to put up with a lot of pain to be with her and go for the guy who appreciates her even less. Because let's face it, not only does Sheldon not appreciate physical beauty in general he also has little appreciation for Penny in any aspect of her life, his most common statements about Penny are derogatory statements about her intelligence or her ability to do her job as a waitress. Any compliment he has ever paid her has been accompanied by a barb about her lack of intelligence.

 

Also after the end of S3 with all the parallels to the L/P/S dynamic and a divorced family the very idea of a Sheldon/Penny relationship gives me shivers.

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Exactly LOL

 

Helen Mirren was in Caligula. That movie was practically  porn. hum. ok, Helen Mirren was in Caligula and she's still Helen Mirren :D heck, Peter O'Toole was in Caligula! :p

JOHN GIELGUD WAS IN CALIGULA

It was on PBS so it was art not porn.  That's my story.

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I find it sadly humorous to see some who is clearly a Shenny supporter saying that Lenny is a bad relationship because Leonard only appreciates her physical appearance. Even if we take your analysis of their relationship as true (which is a real stretch, given all of their interactions, especially in season 1 and 2), what you are saying is that Penny should break up with the guy who thinks she is a beautiful trophy girlfriend and willing to put up with a lot of pain to be with her and go for the guy who appreciates her even less. Because let's face it, not only does Sheldon not appreciate physical beauty in general he also has little appreciation for Penny in any aspect of her life, his most common statements about Penny are derogatory statements about her intelligence or her ability to do her job as a waitress. Any compliment he has ever paid her has been accompanied by a barb about her lack of intelligence.

 

Also after the end of S3 with all the parallels to the L/P/S dynamic and a divorced family the very idea of a Sheldon/Penny relationship gives me shivers.

That and the final car scene in S6 when Sheldon acted like a petulant child, dont get me wrong I love Sheldon he is awesome, and I love their love/hate brother/sister relationship. But even Jim and Kaley said Sheldon and Penny would be like siblings getting together, it's funny because like you said Sheldon has never valued Penny's physical beauty or anyone else for that matter, he has always critized her in some manner lol but guess thats just Sheldon.

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It is fairly apparent that the Shennies don't inhabit the same universe as the rest of us.

hmmm. This is where the Debate thread gets its traffic.LOL. I can't see anything but the current relationships going forward.

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It is fairly apparent that the Shennies don't inhabit the same universe as the rest of us.

 

What Penny would say to the Shennys.

 

"Oh, honey, the buses don’t go where you live, do they?" Season 2 episode 7

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