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Romance...to woo, to court, to bestow attention and/or gifts in order to win you true loves heart.
Sexual innuendo is a completely different thing...there is only one goal.

Maybe i chose the wrong wording, but when has sheldon done all those things by himself, instead of protocols or scared of been dumped. Romance leads to sex.


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1 hour ago, Tonstar17 said:


I don't see how sheldon teasing amy with sexual innuendo and not follow through make him romantic. It's just plain mean. Nothing romantic about it. Sorry.

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No ones arguing Sheldon as a romantic lead. And the straight man is absurd. The show has lost all balance over the years. Leonard should be the lead always. Sheldon responding. They changed that dynamic. For some reason. But OP was just stating how tptb write the show now.

And have to agree that the show write stories based on their focus group. And their Demo. Theirs no evidence to support a statement that male fans have been tuned out. But I have a vibe lot of posters or viewers who watched from 2007-2010. Have been tuned out. A lot of it to do with Turning the Show into The Shamy Show. And making Sheldon and Amy the Romantic Hero and Herione. That changed since Season 6. Shamy are not a traditional romantic paradigm.

Their uniqueness imo has been lost. Are they writing Lenny like Shamy now? Is Raj the new crutch? Would I rather Lenny just live alone and watch Luke Cage? Yes. Do I want them to stop assassinating their characters? Yes. Do I wish we had a more balanced show? Yes. Is it up to me? No. Can I go back into a time machine to 6.24. And tell Moloro to wake up brother? No. Can we get Prady back? Nope. 

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5 minutes ago, Tonstar17 said:


Maybe i chose the wrong wording, but when has sheldon done all those things by himself, instead of protocols or scared of been dumped. Romance leads to sex.


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Romance leads to love.  You can have sex without romance.  I don't believe that you can have love without romance, gestures that bind people together.

Couples who wait to have sex until after marriage, experience romance and love....without the sexual component.

Things that Sheldon does for Amy may not seem romantic to you, but they are to Amy and that's all that matters.  In this season....hosting the brunch, the brain scan gift, date nights...these things mattered to Amy and she found them romantic.

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Romance leads to love.  You can have sex without romance.  I don't believe that you can have love without romance, gestures that bind people together.
Couples who wait to have sex until after marriage, experience romance and love....without the sexual component.
Things that Sheldon does for Amy may not seem romantic to you, but they are to Amy and that's all that matters.  In this season....hosting the brunch, the brain scan gift, date nights...these things mattered to Amy and she found them romantic.

I would agree if movies are made of that kind of Romance that Amy apparently loves, we have seen the kind of romantic movies she likes and it's sloppy. But you are right she loves his weird ways. Romance is also something you do because you want to, it's the little things that count, not because you fucked up and want to make it right. That's not romance. That's my issue with Sheldon intentions. Not saying always, but most of the time.

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19 minutes ago, hokie3457 said:

Thank you for your insights here. Your contributions all day long have been very valuable. Thank again you so much!

I actually think the insights and tonight's episode put Lenny in a better light.

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1 hour ago, Tonstar17 said:


Maybe i chose the wrong wording, but when has sheldon done all those things by himself, instead of protocols or scared of been dumped. Romance leads to sex.


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Amy's birthday?

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I cannot stand what they've done to Sheldon's character. I know most Sheldon fans say that it's just character development, but it's really not. I feel like they've actually gone backwards with him. He started out the series being so brilliant, proud, and dignified. Obnoxious, yes, but still dignified. He had a few childlike quirks, but still acted like a man for the most part.

One of main things that attracted me to the show was Sheldon's character. His arrogance was hot as fuck, and the manner in which he carried himself was such a turn on (I'm into that, as you can tell). Nowadays, the writers have turned him into a child. Pretty much every episode has him doing some childish thing and getting scolded for his behavior. I'm over it. He is nothing like he used to be.

And because I know people will defend him, I have no problem with him learning proper manners and empathy. My issue is with the way he acts now. There's nothing dignified about him anymore. He's just one huge manchild, its such a turn off. I can't believe Amy still wants to do him.

I say this as a Shamy shipper, please give Sheldon his spark back!!!!!

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4 hours ago, vonmar said:

Romance...to woo, to court, to bestow attention and/or gifts in order to win you true loves heart.

Sexual innuendo is a completely different thing...there is only one goal.

Sexual innuendo is a friendly, cheeky style of humour. At least it is on this side of the pond.  The other person is not necessarily one's partner, in fact often isn't. The goal is only to make the other person laugh, to respond with mock horror, or to keep a straight face like Amy did.

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3 hours ago, hokie3457 said:

Thank you for your insights here. Your contributions all day long have been very valuable. Thank again you so much!

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5 hours ago, vonmar said:

Romance...to woo, to court, to bestow attention and/or gifts in order to win you true loves heart.

Sexual innuendo is a completely different thing...there is only one goal.

I can't see Sheldon as the romantic lead going by your definition of romance because regardless of Sheldon's sex drive he is not romantic at all. In tonight's episode he was proud about being 100 % honest with Amy, even if it was hurtful and insensitive.

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24 minutes ago, Carlos said:

I can't see Sheldon as the romantic lead going by your definition of romance because regardless of Sheldon's sex drive he is not romantic at all. In tonight's episode he was proud about being 100 % honest with Amy, even if it was hurtful and insensitive.

Never said that I thought that Sheldon was the romantic lead.  I was having a conversation about romance versus sexuality.

I think Sheldon is romantic in his own way.  As is Leonard and as is Howard.  Romance takes many forms. Just because you don't like how Sheldon expresses his romantic feeling for Amy, doesn't make it wrong.

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2 hours ago, serenaded214 said:

I cannot stand what they've done to Sheldon's character. I know most Sheldon fans say that it's just character development, but it's really not. I feel like they've actually gone backwards with him. He started out the series being so brilliant, proud, and dignified. Obnoxious, yes, but still dignified. He had a few childlike quirks, but still acted like a man for the most part.

One of main things that attracted me to the show was Sheldon's character. His arrogance was hot as fuck, and the manner in which he carried himself was such a turn on (I'm into that, as you can tell). Nowadays, the writers have turned him into a child. Pretty much every episode has him doing some childish thing and getting scolded for his behavior. I'm over it. He is nothing like he used to be.

And because I know people will defend him, I have no problem with him learning proper manners and empathy. My issue is with the way he acts now. There's nothing dignified about him anymore. He's just one huge manchild, its such a turn off. I can't believe Amy still wants to do him.

I say this as a Shamy shipper, please give Sheldon his spark back!!!!!

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1 hour ago, vonmar said:

Never said that I thought that Sheldon was the romantic lead.  I was having a conversation about romance versus sexuality.

I think Sheldon is romantic in his own way.  As is Leonard and as is Howard.  Romance takes many forms. Just because you don't like how Sheldon expresses his romantic feeling for Amy, doesn't make it wrong.

Point is Sheldons form and version of romance is not typical. Some may understand it. But imo Shamy shouldent be the romantic hero and heroine. They were kinda the alternative couple. I don't like how they have shifted things. But that's jmo.

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14 hours ago, hokie3457 said:

Thank you for your insights here. Your contributions all day long have been very valuable. Thank again you so much!

 

14 hours ago, 2L344 said:

Stepping away from my own TR, here are my thoughts on last night's episode:

 

 

Penny and Leonard for the most part were a united front, with Penny being dismissive of Beverly's comments as shared by Sheldon. It only turned when Leonard was struggling with the Randall comment that Bev made in Skype. Leonard later DOES reverse himself when talking to Penny the next morning, blaming then drama on Beverly aka Satan. Lenny come out fine in the end, but what bothers me (I do like Lenny) is that Leonard is still triggered by these thoughts that have him dwelling on his relationship. Hes getting better but theres still work to be done.

I think Beverly is really the satan's voice in his mind. As pictured in many child comics. Leonard is and I think will be for ever insecure about himself and about his relationship with Penny. Though his condifidence is growing, the one who can trigger his insecurities the most, is the one who has caused it the most. And that will be Beverly. It is known, that adults who has been mobbed in their childhood still feel the effect in their current life. Especially when they hear/meet the one who  mobbed them or someone who is doing like that person. So it's pretty consistent (as some of the consistencies) in TBBT that Leonard will always act insecure with Beverly. And I think he always will be. From the serious side note; the "mobbing" his mother did was one of the worst someone can ever imagine.

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4 hours ago, joyceraye said:

Sexual innuendo is a friendly, cheeky style of humour. At least it is on this side of the pond.  The other person is not necessarily one's partner, in fact often isn't. The goal is only to make the other person laugh, to respond with mock horror, or to keep a straight face like Amy did.

True, it's a staple of British Comedy for sure. Innuendo with a partner of course is different with someone else like you stated.

But I don't know if it's kind of getting stale in this example because you know it doesn't go anywhere or lead to anything if that makes sense?

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2 hours ago, Jonny said:

True, it's a staple of British Comedy for sure. Innuendo with a partner of course is different with someone else like you stated.

But I don't know if it's kind of getting stale in this example because you know it doesn't go anywhere or lead to anything if that makes sense?

Certainly the innuendo is supposed to lead somewhere, such as in this instance Amy's reading the list and deciding there's somebody/nobody she wants to hear. Otherwise I can't see the point of the exchange at all. Unless we find out later what the result of the conversation was, double entendres notwithstanding, it's a waste of lines.

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16 hours ago, Lagernisse said:

I do wonder sometime with the way the show has been written lately, if the writers is going for Shenny, and if that happen I will not watch anymore. 

I was not going to mention that first.

That would violate the rule that you can never get to Narnia the same way twice!

Does not mean that Leonard won't get worried or imagine something or have bad dreams about it. Perhaps we will see Leonard in Dr. Gallo's office again. Leonard is over due for a story.

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On 22/02/2017 at 6:36 PM, Kathy2611 said:

Can you please be more specific as to exactly what it is she did to make her "repulsively needy and a slave to her hormones."

Amy became needy when she developed a crush on Penny and insisted they were "best friends" etc. See many scenes where Amy is gushing on Penny who clearly doesn't like it. The dialogue made it clear with the joke when Amy described Bernadette as "So needy".  Repulsive is JMO.

I said "Slave to her hormones" because Sheldon says that all women are slaves to their hormones. When S says it that's not the show being sexist because we know S is wrong about almost everything that isn't physics. When Amy becomes an S to her H that's the show saying it. This begins in The Alien Parasite Hypothesis when Amy can't stop saying "hoo" when she sees Zack. Subsequently she transfers her attentions to Sheldon and behaves very inappropriately in her desperate attempts to get physical - eg the bogus flu episode and the end of 721.

 

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8 hours ago, vonmar said:

Never said that I thought that Sheldon was the romantic lead.  I was having a conversation about romance versus sexuality.

I think Sheldon is romantic in his own way.  As is Leonard and as is Howard.  Romance takes many forms. Just because you don't like how Sheldon expresses his romantic feeling for Amy, doesn't make it wrong.

No, it's not that I dislike the way in which Sheldon is romantic, it's just that I don't consider him to be a romantic person. Yes, there have been some instances, but a lot of the times, he's just mean to Amy.

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19 hours ago, legacy99 said:

I'm at the point where i dont believe there will be a happy ending for lenny. Maybe in the series finale we'll see Leonard at the door watching penny pack up to move out

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Just reading that is really sad. And imagine how beautifully KC would act it, Penny heartbroken but self-controlled, maybe tears in her eyes but not falling. At least it would give the series a sort of bleak symmetry, since Penny arrived in the building in 101. And if it were the last scene it would at least acknowledge that TBBT has been Penny's story. But probably the writers wouldn't even give us that, but end the ep with some Shamy crap.

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