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1022 'The Cognition Regeneration' (April 27)

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I laugh out loud how leonard know he realises where he went wrong, but the excuses are made for the nutjob who spends every episode learning how to be not a better person.

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10 hours ago, wowbagger said:

Agree wholeheartedly with @Jonny about the Lenny this episode, I'm afraid. I'm happy for my Lenny friends that we had some focus on the couple, and that at least it was acknowledged that Leonard was being insecure. But I am one of the people who want an exploration of Penny's career woes without it being so intimately tied to the Leonard of it all. By which I mean: obviously a story about Penny's life will in some measure involve her partner. Obviously. But as a Penny fan, I would like the show to explore how Penny feels about a thing without the lens of 'how does Leonard feel about it?' And if you're a fan of Lenny, surely that disentangling also helps, in that you have a Penny storyline in which Leonard is not a source of conflict. As he was here.

So there's that. And also - ugh, look, insecurity is not a good look on Leonard. I understand that it is in character. I appreciate that the show acknowledged it, and that Leonard talked through his issues. But I hated, hated, hated that the show in some measure validated his insecurity by having Zach's partner throw a hissy and for Penny to say 'you were right, I was wrong'. Leonard was not right, show. When he admitted his issues and was supportive, then he was being right. And in the meantime, Penny is still unhappy, and that issue remains unaddressed. Leonard effortfully and begrudgingly came to the correct decision....and was promptly spared having to follow through on it. And that issue remains unaddressed.

But I will acknowledge that I liked Leonard so much more when he stopped thinking of his wife as a possession that could be stolen, and more as a fellow human being in a difficult position. 

Oh, and I love me some Zach. Sweet Zach with his open-hearted affection for the gang. D'awwww, cutie.

I don't think he thought about her as a possession. Remember the whole "controling her" talk came from Raj. Leonard was afraid she might leave him. If he was the possessive type he would have forbiden her to even think about it. That is not Leonard. He was uncomfortable with it, fearing she might leave him. Was it justified? Not so mich because we know Zack is harmless but for Leonard Zack is that tall, handsome, muscular guy that everybody picture Penny with and who she dated when they were broken up (Sheldon then aaid that Zack was a better model Penny replaced Leonard with) and even married. Also, in Leonard's mind he himself is not worth much and is lucky for every second he has Penny. It's not true and he is getting better with the years but apparently these beliefs are still fundamental in him. Since he loves Penny and doesn't want her to be unhappy he was willing to make the effort to overcome his feelings. Was it easy for him? Not at all, but he was willing to. 

I do agree that it's a shame the writers don't explore Penny more. They seem to not care about her or Leonard or the couple they make.

10 hours ago, Capt. Hilts said:

I thought all of his success with women when he wasn't with Penny was supposed to end all that.  

I'd feel better if they'd shown Penny dating a smart/handsome, guy.  But they didn't.  That, combined with his dating success, makes the "I wore her down" 'joke' not funny or accurate.  

Do you really expect a guy who was literally emotionally abused throughout his whole childhood to just be over it when he gets some success though? His scars are much deeper. People seem to forget that. Actually, in real life a guy like Leonard would have so soooo much worse, perhaps hospitalized on and off in psychiatric and/or general hospitals or dead due to overdose or illness.

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Be better if Penny dated a smart/handsome guy? Really that would ruin the show. The point was Leonard was always her exception. And they always protected that. 

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I'll admit I wasn't that keen on the ventriloquist routine, or the doll - but I regale at any opportunity to enjoy the women being quirky/nerdy and less parental figures for the guys.  

The women always being the adults in the room is tiring.  

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5 hours ago, wowbagger said:

But I will acknowledge that I liked Leonard so much more when he stopped thinking of his wife as a possession that could be stolen, and more as a fellow human being in a difficult position. 

Oh, and I love me some Zach. Sweet Zach with his open-hearted affection for the gang. D'awwww, cutie.

Yes, I absolutely loved Zach . I loved his affection for everyone Leonard, Penny and even Sheldon, when he said, he missed Sheldon and thought Sheldon was funny.

 

 

5 hours ago, wowbagger said:

So there's that. And also - ugh, look, insecurity is not a good look on Leonard. I understand that it is in character. I appreciate that the show acknowledged it, and that Leonard talked through his issues. But I hated, hated, hated that the show in some measure validated his insecurity by having Zach's partner throw a hissy and for Penny to say 'you were right, I was wrong'. Leonard was not right, show. When he admitted his issues and was supportive, then he was being right. And in the meantime, Penny is still unhappy, and that issue remains unaddressed. Leonard effortfully and begrudgingly came to the correct decision....and was promptly spared having to follow through on it. And that issue remains unaddressed.

 

19 hours ago, Jonny said:

They seemed to get on better in this one, actually communicate a bit more but I didn't like Leonard at all in this one, not in his dialogue with the guys and not some of his dialogue with Penny. Jealous Leonard or smug Leonard is never a good look for him.

i have to agree with the above bold statements . the more i think about it,  the more, i dislike how they validated Leonard's insecurity and his opinion over Penny's career happiness.  looks like Penny's " i hate my job" plots are not going to be resolved anytime soon. like i said,  it  felt pointless.

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-The Wonderful Thing About Tiggers Button :icon_cheesygrin:

-Sheldon's feeling old and unable to play online multiplayer games up to par. But his style's still solid.

-Check the myth anyways, Amy.

-"It's a bar, so pretty good". Maybe Penny's S11 plot should be addiction counseling.

-So the girl Zack's engaged to isn't actually named Sarah.

-What girl teenagers are humiliating Leonard?

-Sheldon mastered Hindi at 8. Poor Raj.

-Gyroscope isn't a long word.

-Zack didn't ask about the emergency. Doof.

-"Physicist. Baker. Lover. What can't I do?". 

-Now we need to see a Shamy tickle fight.

-"I can't do this without Me n u".

-Leonard and Sheldon used to date.

-I really wish Penny would quit that job, but then she'd just spend 2 seasons talking about how she hates her next job.

-Unicycle Sheldon! Scratch his nose lol.

-It's weird that all the characters except Sheldon and Amy are weighing in on this conversation of being around another person of the same gender considering the finale plot.

-"All cycles are dumb". Yeah, especially menstrual.

-Sheldon only quits talks about quitting.

-I give that Lenny scene TWO THUMBS UP.

-He quit being upset.

-The endgame for Sheldon will definitely be him making a big discovery.

-Amy shush, videogames and comic books are gr8. You're starting to sound like Ramona, when she took away his things so he'd work non-stop.

-Turned on by how selfless he's being.

-Zack's fiance is an enigma, but apparently the insecurity fight isn't exclusive to Lenny.

-Closeted ventriloquist. Finally, the guys throw it back on their wives. Hopefully no more "throw away Howard's things" scenes.

-Sheldon on stilts. Not the best closing tag but for once the rest of the episode semi-makes up for it. Good job, still more keen on the plot progressive final two episodes though.

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The Ventriloquist scene seems to have gone down so well judging from Social media and reviews of the episode! One US paper wants to see the dummy back again in the future and said they could call the episode 'The Ventriloquism Exorcism' LOL!

I think the writers could really have stumbled upon something creative with this though I guess we may never see it again.

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8 hours ago, serena_1995 said:

 

i have to agree with the above bold statements . the more i think about it,  the more, i dislike how they validated Leonard's insecurity and his opinion over Penny's career happiness.  looks like Penny's " i hate my job" plots are not going to be resolved anytime soon. like i said,  it  felt pointless.

I think one of the biggest problems in this episode was that they didn't have her (them) decide to start looking for a new job. Leonard was willing to cope with his feelings because she is so unhappy but it wasn't relevant anymore. A reasonable continuation would have been for them to then decide to make efforts to find a new job for them because she hates hers so much. But nope...the writers didn't go there. They don't seem to really want to go with a career change for her, at least not now. So the focus was on how Leonard feels about it. I don't see why this is Leonard's fault. He is a character, not the writer. He doesn't decide where the focus is and he didn't prevent her from taking the job. He was of the opinion you guys presented, that she should take that job and quit the one she hates and that his feelings should not prevent her from doing so and he should cope with them. It was somewhat like in "The 43 Peculiarity": he got that it was his problem, not hers, and that's in spite of having the others' support. He actually showed that he is more mature and considerate than their friends (in spite of his unfortunate "not smart" comment, which again, he regretted immediately). I guess I come across to some of you as too much of a Leonard apologist but I don't get why he is being accused (and as you see I do recognize his "not smart" comment was really bad). 

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16 minutes ago, bfm said:

I think one of the biggest problems in this episode was that they didn't have her (them) decide to start looking for a new job. Leonard was willing to cope with his feelings because she is so unhappy but it wasn't relevant anymore. A reasonable continuation would have been for them to then decide to make efforts to find a new job for them because she hates hers so much. But nope...the writers didn't go there. They don't seem to really want to go with a career change for her, at least not now. So the focus was on how Leonard feels about it. I don't see why this is Leonard's fault. He is a character, not the writer. He doesn't decide where the focus is and he didn't prevent her from taking the job. He was of the opinion you guys presented, that she should take that job and quit the one she hates and that his feelings should not prevent her from doing so and he should cope with them. It was somewhat like in "The 43 Peculiarity": he got that it was his problem, not hers, and that's in spite of having the others' support. He actually showed that he is more mature and considerate than their friends (in spite of his unfortunate "not smart" comment, which again, he regretted immediately). I guess I come across to some of you as too much of a Leonard apologist but I don't get why he is being accused (and as you see I do recognize his "not smart" comment was really bad). 

I agree so much on the bold part! The thing that I felt was missing in the Lenny plot was the writers doing something about Penny's dissatisfaction with her job. It would have been enough to add a few lines, where Leonard and Penny started watching together at job ads on the internet, or working on Penny's resume, something like that.

As for what Leonard (or, better, the writers about Leonard) did "wrong" in the episode, for me the problem was he already knows his wife is unhappy at her job, so I didn't like the writers made him so proud of the very things she hates about it.

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1 minute ago, mirs1 said:

I agree so much on that! The thing that I felt was missing in the Lenny plot was the writers doing something about Penny's dissatisfaction for her job. It would have been enough to add a few lines, where Leonard and Penny started watching together at job ads on the internet, or working on Penny's resume, something like that.

As for what Leonard (or, better, the writers about Leonard) did "wrong" in the episode, for me the problem was he already knows his wife is unhappy at her job, so I didn't like the writers made him so proud of the very things she hates about it.

I think he was trying to talk her up and to show the bright side while she was OK with saying the bad stuff. We didn't see him surprised at what she said although I would have liked seeing him rubbing her back in support when she said it, it whould have shown he knows that and supports her.

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Since Penny now has a proven track record there are likely endless sales jobs she could tackle. She does not need Zack.

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I remember a very early interview with Jim Parsons where he said that the writers had asked if he knew how to ride the unicycle.  He didn't, so they abandoned that story line, although when he told them he was allergic to cats, they said tough, take some Zirtec.

I was delighted to see the unicycle, and glad they let Jim hang on to a rope so he didn't get hurt.

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5 minutes ago, Lady in Red said:

I remember a very early interview with Jim Parsons where he said that the writers had asked if he knew how to ride the unicycle.  He didn't, so they abandoned that story line, although when he told them he was allergic to cats, they said tough, take some Zirtec.

I was delighted to see the unicycle, and glad they let Jim hang on to a rope so he didn't get hurt.

That was the first thing that popped into my mind after reading about it in the TR - they finally found a way to get him on that unicycle! LOL

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50 minutes ago, Lady in Red said:

I remember a very early interview with Jim Parsons where he said that the writers had asked if he knew how to ride the unicycle.  He didn't, so they abandoned that story line, although when he told them he was allergic to cats, they said tough, take some Zirtec.

I was delighted to see the unicycle, and glad they let Jim hang on to a rope so he didn't get hurt.

The cast really works hard at being as authentic as possible.  Melissa posted a picture that her husband took of her with the practice ventriloquist doll they sent her home with to rehearse.

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