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  1. I guess I just have a mega soft for this kind of 'slow moving' relationship where two people have a profound understanding of each other before moving to the next stage. It's a little like the Tiara scene, where it seemed a lighthearted and simply cute but to quote Mayim, "the conveyed intent was that Sheldon’s understanding of [Amy] was so deep and so perfect and so touching and so profound that it literally weakened [her] knees". It's just incredibly endearing to watch them move forward based on the depth of their respect for each other, rather than flat-out physical desire.
    7 points
  2. What do you mean they feel "wrong" though? If they don't fit the mould of what is commonly perceived as romantic, they won't feel "right", of course. But that's done on purpose. I think this is the most interesting and realistic way to give him a girlfriend: he will obviously never consider engaging with anyone that he perceives as being inferior to him intellectually, so she needed to be as smart as him and hold her ground against him, and he obviously would have never developed a romantic relationship the conventional way since physical attraction is not something that crosses his mind, so the fact that she was originally totally against physical contact like he was, and just as judgmental about feelings and romance, was crucial to allow them to grow closer. They then let Amy grow because there's no point in having 2 Sheldons. I actually see L/P and S/A as mirror images of each other: one is the typical "opposites attract" kind of love story, very physical and the love-at-first-sight thing for Leonard was all about sexual attraction ("our babies will be smart and beautiful"). The other is a new kind of "they make them in pairs" kind of love story, very intellectual and the love-at-first-sight thing for Sheldon was all about intellect ("we have the potential to produce intellectually superior benign overlords"). And I think the reason why so many people seem to either ship one or the other, rather than both, is because of this "mirror image" thing: one couple lacks what you find appealing, and the other has it, and viceversa.
    5 points
  3. Well, to me, it's totally the opposite. Leonard & Penny don't work for me, at all while I do love the Shamy relationship. They are much more in sync with each other than any other couple on the show, despite their own conflicts. I really like that they are not the typical couple at all, that's what I love about them.
    4 points
  4. That is, IMO, exactly what Episode 6.02 was about. Prady and the writers said they would mature Penny doing season 6 back in May and the way they have done it is to use the episodes of season 6 to address a specific Penny problem. They used a specific pattern to do this: - First, review the problem for the viewers to see. Penny does some "Penny" thing that she has done in the past. - Then confront Penny with it. This is done by one of Leonard's friends - Have her realize this is how she has acted in the past. - Leonard sees this problem - Penny does something about this, This may take more than one episode. The issues they addressed: - Penny dominates their relationship and treats Leonard as the "girl" - She will not say "ILY" to Leonard - She breaks up with Leonard for spurious reasons that she does not seem to understand. - She is very possessive when Leonard is coveted by another women. - She thinks Leonard is there for her happiness and has no interest in who he is. - She thinks Leonard is ashamed of her limited academic and career accoplishments - ... and the big one, Leonard will get bored and leave her for a more accomplished woman. This has been hinted at in every season. 6.02 had to address the spurious break up issue since Penny has done this twice in the past but when they did the sequence of review above, it came across as jarring since their relationship seemed past that issue.
    3 points
  5. Lol, I'm sorry if I have to resort to another one of my "The writers intended..." posts, but the whole discussion has now stemmed from Mayim's quote, which is specifically related to how they wanted her to play that scene (the quote comes from a post she wrote about the behind-the-scenes of the tiara scene). Which means that the writers did intend that scene to imply that Sheldon, clueless as he is, deep down understands her better than anyone else. It's like the Cooper Coupons thing: Penny was pissed he was trying to offer Amy coupons to apologize, but Amy being Amy (which also reads as Amy essentially being Sheldon) was excited about them. I think the point, in both scenes, is, again, that they're both so quirky they find romantic things that nobody ever would so even when they don't try consciously to make each other happy they do. Again, it's not about the whole episode. Or maybe it is. In the sense that the whole episode is about how Sheldon sucks as a boyfriend because he doesn't get what Amy really wants and doesn't understand her and right at the end he does something to make it up to her that totally swoons her without even trying, but simply by going along with being himself. Anyway, off to a NYE party now, have a good end of 2012 everyone! This year sucked, I can't wait for it to be over :D
    3 points
  6. If he was ignorant and trying to do the bare minimum, he would have just gone with one of Penny's suggestions since he'd feel that she'd probably have more expertise in girly things like that. He also probably would have picked the cheapest option, and I don't think a Tiara is particularly cheap at all.
    3 points
  7. You guys make good points. At the same time though, I just DON'T GET how anyone could see Amy as desperate (I know you girls don't see it that way, I mean the people that do). It's STUPID! LOL. Has she got Sheldon drunk and tied him down to his bed and had her way with him? Did I miss that episode? LOL. I think it's unfair that Amy is not allowed to be one step ahead of Sheldon as far as her wants and needs in the relationship without her being called "desperate." Desperate??? Try the most "patient" woman on the show! LOL. So the hell what? She wants what any of us would want from Sheldon. At least she's not pressuring him to do things he's not ready for yet. I don't think the writers need to tone her ways down either...they need to tone Sheldon's ways up! LOL ;-PPPPP Monique
    3 points
  8. I am glad vasu that you know more than writers and directors about the characters. I think you are being very presumptuous to assume you know more than they do since they create the show. I respect you having an opinion, but to say you know more than what the people associated with the show know about it is naive on your part. Mayim is bound to know a lot more than you know being she sits with the cast, producers, writers and directors each week as they has these out. They know exactly what the character is thinking and their motivations. So if you think you know more than them, great. You are welcome to your opinion. But again, you come across as naive if you really believe that. Now whether the acting portrayed it to your satisfaction to what they were trying to achieve is another thing. You are welcome to opine on that. However, to belittle Mayim's comment and say you know what they are doing without listening to her comment is a cheap-shot. It is as if you are totally disrespecting her as a gifted and well respected talent, as well as an extremely intelligent woman. For that, I too take offense. Since she basically told you that Sheldon knew Amy...you should listen instead of act as if you know more than her. Or perhaps that is the point..maybe you are just against women having knowledge of anything.
    2 points
  9. Is she not smart or not educated? The show has made many references that she didn't complete community college, so she did complete part of it, therefore, isn't it logical to assume she is smart enough to complete community college. I have had to explain technical systems, in very simple ways, to people with masters degrees in non technical fields, many times in the past, so Penny may just pursue a non technical degree. Not everyone likes science.
    2 points
  10. No, Mayim is talking specifically about Sheldon choosing the tiara, not the whole episode. In the post the quote is from, she's talking about what the writers wanted her to convey as an actress in that scene. Penny obviously had told him that the tiara was too much, she was probably suggesting something else. And Amy, when she saw he got her jewelry, but didn't know what it was, was still angry at him for trying to buy her affections. Which means if Sheldon had gone with what Penny suggested, the apology would have failed. But because he got her something that sent her over the moon, it showed that he, maybe subconsciously, understands her better than anybody else. So even though the choice of buying something was totally in character because he didn't have to deal with her feelings, the choice of the present itself is what made that scene special.
    2 points
  11. I think that "most important" is difficult to specify. Jim does a brilliant job playing Sheldon, but it is his interactions with Johnny and Kaley's characters that really let him shine. (Sure, he's amusing talking to himself alone in the apartment, but that gets old.) Jim gets a lot of accolades but in my opinion the talents of Johnny, Kaley, and Simon are under-appreciated. Johnny and Simon transform themselves into characters that don't really look like the actors at all. Kaley's facial expressions are hilarious and she has excellent comic timing.
    2 points
  12. My feeling is like yours. The Shamy don't work romantically by normal conventions. But that seems to be what the writers want. They are a previously undefined "romantic" paradigm we have never seen on TV before. Penny and Leonard work under the traditional rules that have been established for romance in popular entertainment, they are headed for marriage and children with all the excepted bumps along the way. TPTB are taking the Shamy in previously unknown territory and it will be interesting to see if they can come out with the same result.
    2 points
  13. I'm the opposite. L/P don't interest me that much, they're too normal for me. They're cute and I hope they don't have any more drama and definitely would like an happy ending for them, but S/A are the first couple since Mulder and Scully I find addictive. I don't usually ship anyone on tv, there's just something about these two.
    2 points
  14. This is very true. However, I was pleasantly surprised to find that most people here (not just Shamy fans, and even some Sheldon purists) loved how they handled Launch Acceleration. Somehow Sheldon was very Sheldonesque in his behavior in that episode, even though he admitted to feeling uncharacteristic feelings. It was liked more than, for example, a Stag Convergence was, which didn't even have anything to do with the Shamy, but in which Sheldon acted a little more hyper. This gives me hope and makes me feel that it may be possible for them to handle 'toning up' Sheldon in a way that pleases most people. It seems that many of the purists have more of an issue with his behaving in an out-of-character way (in his body language etc), than with his having or expressing romantic feelings. They just have to be felt and expressed in his own unique way.
    2 points
  15. Yes, I remember. Actually, often times I can guess if someone's a guy simply by the more masculine writing style. I usually am pretty good with that but then again, some people are tricky. LOL. So with you, it was a good guess. LOL. Monique
    1 point
  16. Can you objectively quantify the passion in kissing, for those of us who don't see it? By the way. They started dating during season 1 and stopped early in season 3. So they did some pretty good faking during season 3. The sweet spot of their relationship was season 2, hightlighted by the famous "lime" kiss.
    1 point
  17. Oh gosh my apologies Vasu ! & happy new year
    1 point
  18. Monique...glad to know you a Kyzzx are going. This is great news!
    1 point
  19. I do enjoy the dynamic these two have. Watching them spar about the Pennyblossoms they have such excellent antagonistic chemistry - when she zings him with Radiohead makes me laugh every time. He thinks he's better than everyone, but has to acknowledge her superior knowledge of certain things - unimportant things, lol.
    1 point
  20. Now, I assumed you were a he from the beginning but then I've seen a few people refer to you as a girl so I was confused. LOL. Monique
    1 point
  21. Kissing on screen (or what's more familiar to me, on stage), there really is no passion. You can't have passion when you are thinking about: the exact timing of the end of the kiss, are you in the light, can the audience (or camera) see your face, what your next line is, when you have to say it, your blocking (where you and your arms and legs are supposed to go and when they are supposed to go there), not to mention you have the crew and audience watching you. With all that going on, it's enough of a problem to remember the mechanics of the kiss, much less worrying about any passion. And, if you aren't thinking about your partner in any kind of passionate way, there isn't going to be any passion. It can be EASIER to do a kissing scene with someone you are familiar kissing as the mechanics come more natural (or doesn't have a habit you find objectionable, Alyson Hannigan, while getting along good with Jason Segel really dislikes kissing him as he's a smoker and she objects to smoking), but that doesn't mean there will be any passion with it.
    1 point
  22. I do work in a world where engineers with masters are normal and we do have a few PHDs and I don't consider Penny stupid. Also we engineers know we work in a world most "normal" people don't work in or understand. We know we are better educated, not smarter than other people, but a minimum IQ is required to get here, plus a lot of hard work.
    1 point
  23. A friend having secret sex with your sister behind your back is a much much bigger break of the Bro code in my opinion than hitting on your friends ex.
    1 point
  24. Yes Wishing a Very Happy New Year to Pomita, Vasu, Moonbase, JeanAlice & everyone in her/his timezone!
    1 point
  25. I've run out likes because I agree so much with what Spook, Razberry and some others said (some of the posts were beautiful). Especially this: I think that's the point. It wasn't implied that Sheldon consciously went, 'oh, Amy would like to think of herself as a princess, so let me get her a tiara'. But the implication was clear to me - even before Mayim said it - that Sheldon got the tiara, against Penny's advice, because he instinctively knew that is what would make her happy, that it was their kind of thing. It was meant to be another symbol of the deep inner connection they have, because their minds work in the same way. Yes, it was amusing and eccentric; and it was Sheldon's choice. He picked it because he liked it and just felt this is what he had to give her, in the same way as he picked the pocket watch (another amusing and eccentric item) for himself. And she loved his choice. This wasn't about Sheldon's unconscious feelings for her, but about the unconscious identification between the two of them. Something inside him knew what something inside her needed.
    1 point
  26. I'm on this message board reposting this on my computer because quoting is glitchy on my iPod Touch.
    1 point
  27. Aw dammit he got there before me! Can I place a bet with you about the breakup of S/A? ;D if that's what you're predicting that is
    1 point
  28. I don't really believe this. If two actors are dating how can they kiss each other without some degree of passion. Almost everyone has kissed a stranger, so could you kiss your boyfriend/girlfriend like you kissed that stranger. Actors are only human. Kaley said, in an interview, that making out on screen with Johnny was a lot of fun. That doesn't sound very cold and professional.
    1 point
  29. I think Kyxzz is going.....and as for Sheldon, he's just the same old Sheldon - just grown up....the writers are doing a fabulous job with such a difficult character Bill/TPTB said this season "Sheldon is capable of things we haven't seen yet" and its all about the "irresistible force" (Amy) meeting the "immovable object" (Sheldon). Sit back and enjoy the goodness... Anywho, got to get ready...epic parties to be attended, lots of liquor to consume....confetti to be thrown and streamers to be blown... Happy New Year!
    1 point
  30. I think I am capable enough to understand what I see on-screen....I don't think I have to read what the writers were trying to intend through the episode in order to understand what happened in that episode..... And the writers do every episode intending us to like those episodes...but many of us have our own likes and dislikes...so what they intended might some times transfer on-screen properly....some-times it might not... the whole episode was about Sheldon not understanding Amy's feelings , cause everyone had to tell him that Amy was upset , and he had to buy her something in-order to please her ....he was just trying to get this situation done and dusted with......and Sheldon's ignorance for appropriate jewellery made the tiara an amusing choice...but not some-thing like his subconscious feelings... Oh by the way "Happy New Year" guys ....(here in India its already 2013) :)
    1 point
  31. BTW, I need you all to stop posting so I can catch up when I get off work later ;-ppppp Monique
    1 point
  32. Leonard & Penny got old fast for me. *yawn* Hell, even Howard and Bernie are more fun to watch then those two for me. Monique
    1 point
  33. Very true. I would hope that they would be able to have Sheldon make progress in his relationship with Amy without completely changing who he is. So far though, I have no complaints. Monique
    1 point
  34. But he did actually apologize to her and tell her he was proud of her before he gave her the Tiara, and it did sound pretty genuine. He even tried to smile properly, though obviously Amy saw right through it (another example of how well she knows about him and his 'Koala smile' ). I do think that the Tiara had diamonds in it too, so it wasn't just because he disagreed with the carbon in the other jewellery.
    1 point
  35. Right there with you. This one looks like it'll be OK, but 6-13 sounds really great. I'm spoiled so I won't say any more except that I'm looking forward to it.
    1 point
  36. I think 'thick' is a rather strong word to use, we just interpret things differently and we like the debate about our interpretations
    1 point
  37. You're right, but just because he didn't expect her to react so strongly, it doesn't mean he didn't know she'd want it. A tiara is a kind of unusual gift and the fact that he went against Penny telling him that it was 'too much' and her suggestions of a more ordinary necklace or bracelet shows that he knew he'd need to get his quirky woman a quirky gift
    1 point
  38. Hmmmm... I thought what happened in the show was exactly the opposite Initially , Sheldon did not understand that Amy wanted him to "support/praise/be happy with" her achievement which he dismisses rather easily.... then it was Leonard who gave the advice to Sheldon to buy her something.....Penny took him shopping...Yes, he bought the tiara.....but Sheldon's reaction after seeing Amy's reaction to the Tiara clearly showed us that he never expected that kind of reaction from her..."You're right Tiara was too much".... Never in this episode I felt like Sheldon understood Amy And he clearly wanted to buy off Amy's hurt feelings rather than change himself which fit his character Amy's reaction to the Tiara was excellent thought and brilliantly acted... it showed how the lonely teenage girl inside her was over the moon on being given such a present by her boyfriend
    1 point
  39. Lambrini, walnut..! *musicnote* I'm singing in my pants I'm singing in my pants What a glorious morning I'm happy again I'm singing here and there I'm singing to a pear I'm singing (I'm singing) I'm singing in my pants! *musicnote* :lol:
    1 point
  40. Yup, I totally agree. The thing is though, that I think when "ruin a good thing" is being mentioned, with regards to the Shamy, people mostly mean Sheldon. Not because I don't think the Shamy is a good thing, quite the contrary. I'm worried about ruining them both, not just one. But most people are incredibly protective of Sheldon, rather than Amy, so that even a little deviation from the norm sets off their Sheldon-alarms. I agree they need to tone Sheldon up, but I am doubtful they will any time soon because they're afraid of the backlash they would get from the part of the audience that does not want Sheldon to change ever. Just as there is a part of the audience who is an Amy-hater precisely because she is changing Sheldon (although I don't think she's *changing* him per se, but that's for another discussion). So if they don't tone him up, they need to tone her down a little to make it a little bit more believable that she's just going to wait 2+ more seasons. I hope they do tone him up, but I wouldn't bet a lot of money on that. I hope I'll be pleasantly surprised. I think Stardust is perfectly right that they could/should do it so that the audience knows but Amy doesn't, in a similar way we know about his emotional growth but Amy doesn't really.
    1 point
  41. Exactly my point. They need to make sure we are seeing Sheldon ramping up...not changing Amy any. And...the thing is...they don't even need Amy to see it...just the audience needs to see that he is making progress.
    1 point
  42. 3,000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WE did it! I don't know about you guys, but I NEED a couple of days off! PS THANK YOU ALL FOR LETTING ME HAVE THE 3,000 post! FYI BETWEEN THE 3 OF US WE POSTED 63.43% OF TODAYS POSTS
    1 point
  43. There are plenty of fans who are calling Amy desperate. You may not agree with them...I don't agree with them, but you cannot ignore that they are out there and they are doing that. Many have written into the show stating that. Then there are plain Amy haters out there as well. All I am saying is that to help nullify some of the negative comments from those fans, perhaps if they show a better balance it would help. It would keep some of those folks silent because they no longer can complain that Amy is desperate if they show Sheldon in his own way, whether it be through conversation with Leonard or dreams, cares about Amy and is having more sexual feelings toward her. I have no problem with Amy calling him sexy and enjoying him. I don't find her desperate in the least. I think she is perfectly within her rights to do what she does and the writers have done her character well. However, that being said, if for two more years she is doing all of the sexy talk and Sheldon is still acting totally oblivious, it will make the audience start to grow that will be calling her desperate. That was the whole point of what I was saying. I know you think the writers can do no wrong, but they nearly ruined Lenny as a couple. They finally redeemed themselves somewhat with her ILY this season, but they have a lot more to do to bring back spark and interest in them. So they can blow it at times. With the Nanny, you saw Sheffield having feelings for Fran without her knowing it and obviously she had them for him long before he had them for her. However, they did it well because you knew he had feelings for her...even if she didn't know. That is what I was suggesting....do something like that for Shamy so that it keeps you glued waiting for those special moments to come and those awkward moments because she won't know that he actually is starting to have and fighting similar feelings.
    1 point
  44. Jackass, no, not you, I meant the animal!
    1 point
  45. That sure will give him a storyline that would use the existing characters on the show. That's a winning situation. And it could address this now irritating mutism bit which is now unrealistic that he would have let it go on this long.
    1 point
  46. Her last name is going to be Hofstadter eventually.
    1 point
  47. My first impression of the episode was "ehh" I've only seen it once but to me it did not seem to meet the standards set by the rest of the season. I mean it was a Christmas episode, I know that they don't normally make a big deal about holidays and things but they had a chance to do something really special especially since each of the relationships have made big moves throughout the seasons entierty. Instead we get a tediously unfunny board game with a mildly amusing Sheldon song in the middle and another dash of Raj is lonely. I guess yes it was nice to see the little Raj/Amy bonding but the scenes at the club weren't really enjoyable nor were they funny. I'm still not totally sure how i feel i need to watch it again. I will say this though... it was better than it appeared in the taping report but in reality that wasn't too difficult to pull off. Overall, I'd say it was a mediocre episode that certainly was better than many previous ones but i dont see it making anyone's top 50 episodes... ever. 5.5/10
    1 point
  48. Yeah, I haven't really noticed, since they've used them only rarely. And speaking of Gablehauser, I loved the first season ep Luminous Fish where Sheldon asked his mom, "Is Dr. Gablehauser going to be my new daddy?"
    1 point
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