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  1. You're right, after all this is all Amy's fault. I mean it's not like Sheldon was an unreasonable boyfriend or anything, it's not like he demanded she sign a contract preventing any form of intimacy, repeatedly tried to get out of their once a month dates, tried to ruin her plans for Christmas because of his own hatred for the holidays and repeatedly put his own selfish antics or childish obsessions before her. And lets not forget that everything she has done to hurt Sheldon has been in no way shape or form acceptable even though they are broken up. I mean obviously she isn't allowed to see other men, even when he tells her he's seeing other women, after all we have standards to keep up people! I mean obviously she's supposed to know that Sheldon is still in love with her and wants to get back together with her, even though he hasn't done or said anything explicitly to her except to send her childish videos were he portrays her breaking up with him as an act of portrayal on par with Hitler invading Poland, and of course it's not like he posted said video to the internet for the world to see. And obviously she's rubbing this dating thing in his face, I mean sure she isn't telling him she's dating anyone else, she isn't showing him mens' clothing to make him jealous or even showing video of her dating other guys but obviously she's being so inherently cruel by using her god given right to date in the first place. I mean yes if this were Sheldon he'd probably show a video of him with a hot blond to make Amy mad and prove she's missing out on the great Sheldon god but that's reasonable. Amy should never be considerate to spare Sheldon's feelings by keeping him from seeing her attempts at moving on, I mean really. You are absolutely right. Amy is the one who is to blame here and Sheldon should never ever take her back because everything she has done is completely unreasonable. When they do get back together I fully expect she should lie down on the floor and beg Sheldon for forgiveness for ever thinking of attempting to move on, after all he is the almighty Sheldon god and she never should have broken up with him for merely getting frustrated by him taking her for granted. In fact, begging is not enough! WE should introduce flogging! And maybe a walk of shame Cersei Lannister style! She really needs to feel the depths of her betrayal. How dare she do something as reasonable as trying to date someone when she is broken up and well within her rights to. I mean seriously. So I am with you 100%, the girl needs to be punished for her crimes.
    21 points
  2. Are we though? Are we shown that Sheldon misses her beyond him being "angry and moody" himself? I mean, yes, we know he'll eventually crack in 9x06 (going by taping order) but up to that point? 9x03 nothing, 9x04 he only asks her as an afterthought and much of his moping seems to be more about Lenny instead of Amy, 9x05 a duel challenge 3 years down the line and asking out other women to get over Amy, 9x07 nothing afaik. (To be fair, I haven't seen anything beyond those that have aired but if the non-reaction in 9x03 is anything to go by I'm not expecting much in terms of getting actual scenes with a tangible "missing Amy" feeling from Sheldon.) In fact the whole point to his post-break up behaviour seems to be that he's bottling it all up, pretending to be fine and over Amy, even succeeding at this to such a degree that apparently Lenny don't suspect much - right up until it all blows up in 9x06. And this is the guy who turned into a crazy cat lady 5 years ago!? We don't even see him moping in his room curled up on his bed like we've seen plenty of other times. So why don't we extend the same curtsey to Amy? Why does she have to be the one to desperately miss him right away? Just because she was crying her eyes out about something else a couple years ago? Why is it okay for Sheldon to go on about his usual business for the most part and pretend everything is fine but it's not okay for Amy? Why does she have to go the extra mile to prove that she has doubts (even though she had them right away after the break up), that she's hurting (even though she said so), that she still sees Sheldon's qualities (even though she defends him against Bernie), that she's throwing herself into the dating business not entirely on her own volition (even though pretty much every episode has someone either hitting on her or her friends encouraging her to go on dates, with Sheldon telling her he's asked women out being the final straw)??? Give the girl a break here! I mean, if I had a say I'd probably also have more scenes with both of them missing the other, emphasis on "both". So don't get me wrong. But I'm having such a hard time with this idea that Sheldon is *shown* missing Amy, while Amy is apparently a stone cold b**** or whatever.
    16 points
  3. Hmmm maybe I should have added this to my post. Maybe you are the one being sarcastic but either way I'll make myself clear. I do NOT agree with you. This is NOT all Amy's fault and the fact that anyone thinks that way scares me because it seems to harken back tot he days when women were blamed for everything from the fall of man to the stormy weather. It's ludicrous that you're blaming Amy entirely for doing something any woman would do. She isn't trying to hurt Sheldon, she just wants to try and move on. To her point of view Sheldon has done nothing, let me repeat that NOTHING to give her the impression he is: A. Still in love with her. B. Wants to get back together with her C. Wants anything to do with her. But that's not true? Then what do you call telling her "Oh by the way I'm thinking of dating other woman, I think your betrayal is akin to Hitler marching on Poland and I don't think I need a girlfriend anyway" basically anything he has said to her from the moment she said she needed a break has been either spiteful, rude or childish. I know why you feel this way, you see the whole picture. you know Sheldon has a ring, you know sheldon wants to propose, you know he's still in love with her and is doing these stupid things to try and get her to come back. But there is something important that you are missing. AMY DOESN'T KNOW ANY OF THAT!!! What would a sane woman do if a man insult her to her face, tells her he doesn't want a girlfriend or needs one, is going to start dating other women, and also posts a really rude vide online for the world to see? Well she might think "Hey this guy isn't in to me anymore and maybe I should find someone who is" That is ALL Amy is doing, she is trying to find someone who can treat her the way she deserves to be treated. Even though she is still in love with Sheldon he hasn't done ANYTHING to make her think that there is any chance at a reconciliation, nor has he apologized for any of his behavior that led to the breakup or his really disgusting behavior afterwards. Most of that is Sheldon being Sheldon, I get it and I love his character because of it but he needs to grow up, grow a pair and tell Amy how he feels and treat her like a woman deserves. So no this is not Amy's fault, this is not all Sheldon's fault, it's both of them having mixed signals and missing each other, hurting but instead of turning to each other they seek isolation to lick their wounds. Wrong yes but it is also human nature. Please dear god don't think I was serious about the Cersei Lannister walk of shame.
    16 points
  4. So many great points here! I agree that they both need to make a step forward, to show, that they are both unhappy with the situation and want to talk and I´m very curious how the writers plan to solve the situation, if they do it, like they did with Lenny and Leonard´s "kiss affair" (I´m sorry, but I don´t know a better name for it) or if they decide to walk the extra long way. All I know is that I want to see them approaching to each other again and talk about what´s on their mind, like they always did in the past. They always knew what to say to cheer up the partner or to console each other. I´m missing these moments, where only they understood what the other was needing in this very moment, because they knew each other better than any other person did. It´s this chemistry they had from the first moment they met (even Sheldon was feeling it, otherwise he wouldn´t have invited Amy for a beverage).
    15 points
  5. Have you looked up mushroom logs on line? It's a cheap gift. It's ugly. It doesn't get better looking once the mushrooms grow in and unless you need to have mushrooms everyday, there's probably little joy in having a moist, stinking stump of fungus infested wood in your one bedroom apartment. Amy wasn't wrong for not digging the mushroom log or it's rich symbolism. You people are reading too much into the mushroom log. Mostly I agree with the romance sentiment, but not on the mushroom log. Amy never asked for much, but she told him she wanted flowers. It's not like she was being mysterious on that issue.
    14 points
  6. The key issue here is that he told her specifically that he was trying to move on. Not only that, he told her specifically that he'd asked other girls on dates. Amy was worried about Alex, she truly believes other women find him desirable. If he's asking girls out she believes one will say yes, and as silly as it may seem to us, she's probably right. Then there she is all alone, and to paraphrase Raj, the girl who got back on the dating bandwagon after Sheldon Cooper! This is after, what, three weeks show time? Throughout which, after an initial burst of obnoxious whining and vicious insults, he shows little or no interest in her at all. Until his Spock revelation, even the audience doesn't see him pining. At least Amy defends him to Bernadette, and looks sad when he says he's moving on. His behavior is going to make the unspoiled beleive he couldn't care less about her. It's a wonder what she's supposed to think.
    14 points
  7. Sheldon has been a bad boyfriend quite honestly but that doesn't make him a bad person. He's childish, immature, selfish and annoying a lot of the time (which is why he's so funny) at the same time he shows remarkable insight for caring, warmth, love and when it does come down to it, he can be extraordinarily selfless. I think my favorite part is when Howard's mom died every everyone waited for Sheldon to say something insensitive but in fact he basically told Howard the truth. He lost a parent too and understands more than anyone else what Howard is going through. I loved that moment so much. So bad boyfriend? Probably, bad person? No, which is why there are many times when he hasn't been a terrible boyfriend either. When he told Amy he loved her, when he asked her to stay in the fort, when he took care of her when she was ill, those are the moments when he showed he does truly love and care for her and wants to be the best boyfriend he can. Sadly, the problem in this factor is the fact he's Sheldon. He is so smart he's probably the dumbest person on the show when it comes to people, he can't even detect sarcasm half of the time. Which brings me to why I ship Amy and Sheldon which is because the are GREAT together! Not only are they both adorably quirky but they actually help each other get out of their shells and explore what it is to have a real person to love and cherish. Before they met all either of them wanted was science, now a future and a family is something they not only want to are seriously thinking about starting. This is especially the case with Sheldon because he even admits that Amy has made him a better person! And finally then, if they are so great and so good together then why am I not only supportive of this plot line but actively excited about it? It's simple really, because Sheldon needed a slap on the head to push forward. The real reason why Amy and Sheldon have broken up is not that the relationship hasn't changed Sheldon, it most certainly has, an not because he's been a bad boyfriend (but really was he ever the best?) it's because while both of them have grown up so much since we first met them, the truth is that Amy has moved further in the relationship then Sheldon has up to this point. I feel like he hit a comfort moment where he's like, I love her, she's not leaving why does anything need to change? But that isn't the truth, she hit a point where "I love him, he loves me but why can't he treat me the way others get treated?" Sheldon has to grow up a little more to catch up with Amy in this relationship and by facing the extreme possibility of another man being there when he can't...well that will be the boost that will finally get Sheldon to move a lot further character wise. I can't wait!
    14 points
  8. @ koops and nickelette (not quoting b/c length) I don't deny that Sheldon is hurting - I've made many posts in this thread about him and I'm truly feeling for him. I know all of this and I apologise if my point wasn't clear. The thing with Sheldon bottling his feelings up in the past is that there were still outward signs that something was terribly wrong - mostly blatantly so because they had to wrap it up in 20 minutes. *cough*25cats*cough* But it's a lot less prominent here after the initial outburst and without a doubt it's on purpose to get to that dramatic reveal for 9x06. In the end though is it fair to demand so much more from Amy? I mean, I don't disagree that it's annoying that her subplot so far is constantly about her dating life in some shape or form. And yes, please give her more scenes and everything! (If nothing else give your 4 time Emmy nominee something to do, for goodness sake!) However, we do get regular updates on how she's doing and what I get from the reports is that she is indeed doing what she does as a reaction to Sheldon's behaviour and her friends constantly encouraging her to date others. It makes sense to me with her having no indication that Sheldon is even willing to meet her halfway and as far as she knows moving on himself that she doesn't think about fixing this right now. Not having seen the episodes myself I don't know how enthusiastic she is about the dating stuff but from what I read I'm going with "she's going through the motions because that's what people do". (That's the vibe I got from her considering a makeover, for example, but that's probably just my subjective interpretation.) If you want to complain about the writers failing her as a character because she doesn't even think about rekindling her relationship with Sheldon let me point out in return that she hasn't been given a reason to fix it. Not until 9x06 anyway - not until she sees that tape, hopefully by the next episode. (And I'm not even talking about the ring here but rather Sheldon finally giving in to his human side. They better not mess that up, ugh.) And yes, I know you don't like that they do all of this with this pesky "dominos neatly falling in line" method but at the end of the day what I care about is does the chain of events and the way the characters react to that make sense. And yeah, so far I don't have a problem with what we get. What I do have a problem with is this "why doesn't Amy struggle the right way?" complaint even though the story isn't leaving much room for that on one hand, and the "we don't get anything on Amy at all!!" accusation on the other even though that is factually false cause to me there's a difference between the show not delivering anything and a show just not delivering what you'd prefer. P.s.: Apologies for the b**** phrase earlier - that was hyperbole on my part (though some people have been pretty nasty about her).
    13 points
  9. I love the Amy character why is it so wrong that she is trying to move on. She is just trying to do what she feels is right for her right now and that is looking after number one.Amy They will find each other again because they are hurting but right now they both need space to think about what they really want and if that means dating other people to get there then so be it. Blaming Amy for this is not fair they are broken up she has a right to do whatever she wants and if Sheldon the genius cant figure out while Amy ended the relationship with the little clues he has been given then he needs to start thinking hard. I think Amy is trying to protect his feelings by not opening up because he would not like the answers he gets and may send him over the edge. To me that shows that Amy still loves him. Just remember a lot of relationships end very nasty and this is not the case here. There is hope. So I leave you guys with some happy thoughts. :) Sent from my SM-G928F using Tapatalk
    13 points
  10. That’s alright. Anyways, I wrote the last scene for the B plot. It’s not everything but I tried my best to write it. Also, there really isn’t much to add to it except certain parts in the beginning that I didn’t include in the chat yesterday because I wanted to only write the important stuff down. Amy, Penny, Bernadette, Howard, Raj, and Stuart are all sitting in H/B’s living room. They are looking at the guys that could be possible candidates for Amy and are playing a game where they have to drink once if there is an animal in the photo, once if they see someone shirtless, or twice if they are shirtless and with an animal. So, they begin and the first guy that appears is a man who is both shirtless and has an animal by his side. They laugh and make a few jokes back and forth about the guys. Then Penny who has Amy’s phone says that she received a text. They see that the text is from a guy and they are all surprised wondering who he is and why she’s been kept this from them. Amy explains she doesn’t want to make a big deal out of it which is why she hasn’t told them yet. She also says that she’s gone on a few dates and then the group is surprised by it. Then, Stuart asks how many dates has she gone on and she replies by saying three and that she only went with them for coffee. Now, I’m not exactly irritated by this there isn’t enough depth to Amy’s part, sometimes I just wanna get inside her mind and see what she’s thinking because so far I feel like everyone else who’ve said this before that were not seeing enough of her. There’s just this lack of understanding of her side of the situation.
    13 points
  11. Ok, look. We can argue until the end of time whether the breakup was warranted or not given the timing or the past history of the characters, and that's one thing that I can agree or disagree with and where I think people have different POVs and that's all good. But what I just cannot and will never agree with is justifications such as "Couples on other shows would have been broken up ten times by now already" or "All couples face difficulties". It is precisely because EVERYONE does it that this is trite, cheap and unimaginative. I can name three other shows off the top of my head that are using the exact same plot devices at this very moment and every single one of their showrunners are trying to sell it as such a clever plot development when it's just not. There's no law that says showrunners have to breakup couples in order to keep a story going, and it's widely regarded as a cheap trick that speaks highly of lack of imagination and manipulation, not of some kind of high artistic ability. You know what's challenging and admirable? Writing couples that stick together, these days. That is something you hardly ever see on television, if at all. And that's what I always felt TBBT had going for them in the last 5 years. I really, truly admired them for not caving into this kind of cliches. Alas, it didn't last. I don't care if the standard of television is so low that people keep using the same damn trope television gems such as "The Nanny" have used since the beginning of time (*sarcasm sign*), that doesn't mean I can't hope and expect better from the shows I admire. Also, for my POV, I don't have an issue with Amy trying to move on per se as much as I have an issue with showing her moving on without seemingly having any emotions regarding her relationship with Sheldon for the past 5 years that aren't anger and moodiness. I would be fine if I were actually SHOWN Amy trying to push herself to move on and pretend to be fine when in fact she isn't, just like we are being shown Sheldon. It doesn't matter if Sheldon doesn't know how she feels, I would be fine if it were just made clear that she's attempting because she's hurt and thinks he doesn't care. But it isn't. THAT is what I have a problem with. Not the coffee dates, not Dave. It's never the content itself, to me, it's the way it's written. The fact that it doesn't seem to me like Amy hurts or misses him like he does her. Because we are not shown HER side of the story at all. And when we are she is mostly angry or just indifferent. Not that if we were shown this I would feel less like this is all deliberately engineered to keep them apart (again, it's OOC for these two to go this long playing these stupid revenge/miscommunication/misunderstanding games - a week, maybe, but this long? no), but at the very least it would make me feel like the 5 years she spent with Sheldon meant something to her other than waiting to get *a* boyfriend the way she wants it. Because, again, if that is all she wanted, she could have dated Stuart, Dave or any other guy a long time ago. Right now, seeing this unfold, I can see clearly that Sheldon loves her and is devastated by the breakup. Amy, on the other hand, was more upset over being left out of shopping in S5 than she is by her breakup with the alleged love of her life.
    12 points
  12. Yep they threw it out of nowhere all right. Because Sheldon has never been unreasonable in this relationship and ever done anything that any other woman would have run from the hills from. I mean it's not like he's actively sought to sabotage their relationship before or anything and Amy has never been frustrated with Sheldon in the past. Okay sorry my 'inner snark queen came out again. I'll admit that I don't think they threw it out there but really my only surprise is that the break up occurred int he same season as admitting they loved each other. However, at the same time I feel like I can understand Amy's genuine frustration. Sheldon admits he's in love with Amy but at the same time still wants to go a glacial pace and even then is more interested in television shows then making out with her? Besides she didn't technically break up with him in the same season as the ILY, she just asked for a break to think. The breakup occurred because Sheldon behaved like Sheldon and was a complete A$$.
    12 points
  13. That's a great question to me, but one that ruffles quite a few feathers every time it is asked. But I think it's very legitimate. I might be in the minority, but I do not think Sheldon deserved to be dumped or for it to escalate to this extent. At the same time, while I think Amy's blowout in the finale was maybe excessive, I also don't feel like blaming her for being hurt by his comment and get emotional every once in a while and yes, even overreact. She's human. I just think it could have been solved without it going to these lengths. But you all know I think this whole breakup deal is so artificial and contrived, and blah blah blah so... Anyway. To answer your question, like I said yesterday, to me it's not even an issue of shipping and I think I'm going to step away from using that term in the future because you are right, if shipping means just wanting two characters together, then it doesn't really applies to me. I am not someone who normally ships, I don't want people to get together, I am happy to go with canon and what relationships are made canon and Shamy happened to be the one of two cases ever in my history of TV watching where I REALLY loved their dynamic. It's not that I want them together, or that I care about endgames and the like. I found the whole idea of the two incredibly smart and socially challenged people building a friendship and a life together for the first time, and finding in each other the one person that truly gets them and accepts them for who they are and even loves them for things everyone else is put off by very charming and refreshing. I liked that their conflict stemmed from them making others awkward with their own peculiar way of being with each other, rather than against each other. I found their unusual relationship and the fact that it was solid and long lasting, even if it didn't fit the conventional norms or pace of a relationship, so heart warming. Now it appears that most of that is gone, and I am not a fan of their dynamic the way it is currently presented. If the writers have change that, if they show me a Sheldon who apparently can never do enough to keep Amy happy and an Amy who has changed into a person who wants a relationship in the most traditional sense and is happy to go out and trial run guys on coffee dates to find that, then... well, it's not the same story anymore and I don't even understand how this is a story where I am meant to root for them to be together. I think if the issue presented here is that the way Sheldon loves Amy is just not enough for Amy, then they should not be together. I don't believe the way someone loves another is a thing that can or should realistically change, it's just part of who they are, and I feel that just as Amy shouldn't be stuck in a relationship where she isn't getting what she want, Sheldon shouldn't be stuck in a relationship where nothing he ever does is good enough. If this is the story the writers are telling me, then to me it's not a story where I'm meant to root for them to be together, but the opposite. And if this is not the story that the writers are telling me, then they should make it clearer what the issues really are and how they are issues that can be fixed. I said from the moment the finale was taped that is the issues are about them wanting the same things and Sheldon making it clear she is a priority in his life, fine. That can be fixed. But not if the issue is to do with who Sheldon and Amy inherently are (or have become) as people and what makes them happy in a relationship. And the crucial issue is that Amy is a fictional character, indeed, and for the longest time her whole purpose was that she was perfect for Sheldon because she *could* feel loved the way Sheldon loved her. They decided to change that, and while I'm not arguing the realism of the right of her to change in a real life sense, I am arguing the writers' decisions to change their character to create problems for a couple THEY created that, IMO, are enough to justify a permanent separation. Or at least I'm arguing their decision if they are writing a story where they want me to root for these two to work out and not one where I'm meant to understand they are not meant to be. Because all I'm seeing right now, given the lack of exploration, emotion or longing on Amy's side, is that Amy just wants a "normal" boyfriend who loves her in a certain way, and Sheldon has to change to become that man or else she's going to find it with someone else. Maybe that floats some people's boats, but it just doesn't float mine. Does that mean I don't belong in this thread anymore? *looks around in alarm* That's a good question too, actually. Maybe. I don't know. I haven't yet completely stopped rooting for them to work out because I honestly still don't understand what Amy's issues were. Once that's made clearer, then I will probably figure out what I feel about them.
    11 points
  14. The writers are good at only showing one side of the story so agree with posters that blame them. The did the same thing with lenny when they broke up. We only got leonard's pov but not so much penny's. All we really got was she dumped him because he said he loved her and didn't want to string him along. That was annoying and really pissed me off. Now they are doing the same thing with shamy. Sent from my SM-G928F using Tapatalk
    10 points
  15. Kerry: I must say that there are a lot of Shamies I don't agree with, and I believe whether I have posted my opposing view or not, that I have disagreed with you. But if there is one thing I can assure you is that I feel for you and your fellow Shamies because we've (Lennies) been there. I do feel empathy even if I don't always share your views.
    10 points
  16. Well yes. I mean, he didn't promise he'd pick up milk on the way home and then forget. He didn't tell her she looked fat in her cardigan (though he totally would). He chose the most sensisitive contentious component of their relationship, and proceeded to taunt her about how he might lavish that sort of attention on someone else. He was trying to hurt her. That's not "a mistake". It's well nigh unforgivable. And he has absolutely zero insight about that at all. He hasn't apologized or walked it back, or even so much as said he misses her. Is she supposed to marry that guy? Just to keep him? And is he even really that guy? I don't think he is. I don't think you have to change Sheldon's character one whit to have him realize he's been cruel and apologize to her. Heck he apologized to Kripke once. I don't think you need to change his character at all to have him periodically express genuine admiration for her. He sure used to. And you don't have to change his character much at all to have him be more physically affectionate towards her. He's already kissing her, and mouths are germy. And thats really all she wants. If Sheldon fans don't think he can pull that off, they take a dimmer view of him than I do.
    9 points
  17. People change just because you didn't want something 2 years ago doesn't mean you can't change your mind at a later date. Amy is getting older and realising life is too short and wants different things now. People change and want different things in life as they get older you either support your partner or the relationship/ marriage is doomed. Most relationships end these days citing Irreconcilable Differences. Growing apart and not wanting to change some things your partner want is a sure way of eventually them wanting to move on. Love is give and take, growing together and changing some things because you don't want to lose the one you love. Sent from my SM-G928F using Tapatalk
    9 points
  18. Nerwen Aldarion and April I'm very much in love with your posts, thank you very much for them. In the I'm sorry, but this is extremely unfair for Amy, where did that came from? I don't think that wanting to be treated better is to have a fantasy of a 'knight in shining armor', you make it sound as if she had ditched Sheldon just because poor innocent boy doesn't adhere to her impossible standards. And please, let's don't start again with the 'but we don't know about her motivations!' excuse. It's totally true that we need to have Amy much more in the spotlight (because it's a tremendous waste to keep her in the backburner), but we have seen enough of her during all these years to get a general idea of her needs and desires, she wants Sheldon yes, but she also wants to be loved, desired and treated with respect, she wants to experience the good things of life she missed during her sad years of solitude during her childhood and teen years. If that's an unrealistic fantasy for you, then we definitely can't agree. Remember her fanfiction? was Sheldon portrayed as a totally different guy? One that treated her like a princess, a sexual god anxious to ravish her and to cover her with roses? No, he was essentially the same, quirky and aloof, but and the end he was able to make her feel she was important for him and his happiness, wouldn't it be fair to say that's a representation of what she expects from a relationship?
    9 points
  19. Just a thought. I know coffee dates are like the basics of all date types but a coffee date was her first date with Sheldon. Despite everything I'm sure it hold a special place in her heart, the first words they said to each other, the fact they wanted the same beverage, and most importantly it's the first time she laid eyes on him, not to mention they matched perfectly with their intentions for a relationship. Theres no way you'd keep repeating the same first date with 3 different men with everything a coffee date stood for in the past. It would be like a gentle reminder of everything Sheldon and the women she was before she met him. Not saying they went to the same place or anything but the shear memory of it would surely echo in my mind during those dates.
    9 points
  20. I can't disagree. If one more persons puts the blame entirely on Amy I won't be held responsible for what I do next
    9 points
  21. You know? the more I think about the break up, the more I get convinced that, despite the way it may come across, they did it because they are finally coming to terms with the idea of advancing the relationship for good. And please, don't even think I'm saying this because I'm trying to convince myself and other shippers to blindly trust the writers, it would be also hypocritical because I've been very vocal in the past in my discomfort with the way they have handled certain things, but, for now, I think they really have the intention to finally move them forward. I find it interesting that I while many fellow shippers felt confused and angry at the break up at the end of last season and even more with the developments at the beginning of the present one, personally I didn't feel neither suprised, neither angry at all, I think it was because I, just like Amy, felt there was something off with the relationship, I also was feeling that I was being part of a distracted make out session. Because, if you think about it, Sheldon was there and at the same time, he wasn't. He was giving her gifts, but not the one he knows she wanted, he was able to say 'I love you' and at the same time he seemed unwilling to express that love to her, he dressed up and fulfilled date nights, but he was just thinking about his own problems during them, he was kissing her, but he was not thinking about her while doing so. Seriously, do we really want much more of that? I don't, there were cute moments, I won't deny it, but I can't help to feel something was lacking. I remained just semi-spoiled last season, and I remember getting excited about the shamy moments to come by the fandom reactions to spoilers, just to end up with an "and that's it?" sensation after watching them. Don't you think that the reason their friends are not hurrying to reunite them and they are even trying to help Amy dating others is because they don't really believe Sheldon loves Amy?, do you think Howard's joke at season's premiere was just that a joke? No, it's because I've come to realize they even believe Amy has no future with Sheldon and their relationship was uneven, because they know he's too enamoured of himself, perhaps. Now, I'm sure that after seeing him really sad for losing Amy and knowing about the ring their idea will change. Because I don't deny that Sheldon had made progress towards being a better boyfriend for Amy, but let's remember he always needs to be pushed to act. I would have loved to once see him taking the initiative, but seems like that's not the way he functions, so, in order for them to advance, things couldn't remain peacefully and 'happily' as they were, something had to happen, something that prompted him to act if he doesn't want to lose her, either a breakup, an accident, I don't know, but something really strong or intense, to stop taking her for granted, to finally realize he needs to start thinking about her as a partner for real. Now, is the break up the most original way to do it? Of course not, but, as painful as it may seem to go through this, I don't think it's unecessary or just an excuse, or an intent to destroy them, all the contrary, I think it's their way to guarantee that the day they are finally reunited, this won't be anymore a half-assed relationship, not exempt of problems, of course, but a more balanced and satisfying one
    8 points
  22. I am sorry but you are putting words into Mayims mouth. She was asked specifically about Amy dating and she answered professionally. If she answered ala Katherine Heigel and said "The writers are crap and they are not developing Amy's character the way she should be." Then we would all want her head too. Mayim is an actress she acts whats written for her and can only speak about the material provided.
    8 points
  23. I appreciate the point you brought up about her portrayal of him in the fanfic, a fact I had not considered. I do think Amy is lost in a fantasy, because now she suddenly wants flowers and for Sheldon to talk to her the way Leonard talks to Penny. This is simply not who Sheldon is. If this is what she wants, then she definitely needs to move on because Sheldon is going to keep disappointing her. Even Sheldon's intended proposal was IC for Sheldon because it was coming as a result of anger and feeling like he had no other options. He is sad. He misses her. He wants her back. He is not looking for a replacement even though she has hurt him. If Amy expectation is for him to get down on one knee with roses in his hand, he's already failed. She should know that even when Sheldon does things because he is pushed, he does them for her because he wants to. I am so tired of Sheldon being blamed for being who he is, and that nothing he does is enough, as if Amy is the only victim in the relationship. I never said she didn't deserve to be treated better. I said twice in my post that Sheldon needs to get himself together to change his behavior, but like you so eloquently brought out in your post, it will be done in his own quirky way (mushroom logs, anyone?). Amy needs to decide if this is the type of affection she wants in a relationship or if she truly is looking for rainbows and unicorns.
    8 points
  24. Because Sheldon and Amy have always reacted to things differently. Sheldon is the one that goes deep in denial, kicks and screams. but it's clear as day that he's upset if you can read his character. That's the way he was always written. And, yes, the cats was EXACTLY that. It was just like now, him pretending to be fine and over her when in fact he was a wreck. In 9x01 he swings back and forth clearly between pretending not to care and caring a lot. In 9x02 it's all about him pretending not to care while obviously wanting to be with her in his own stupid way and then getting angry when she doesn't want to see him. In 9x04 it's about BOTH Lenny and Amy, he's clearly saying "now that EVERYONE is leaving me" and confesses his fear that Amy will marry someone better. In 9x05 the whole shenanigans are about finding him ways to "stop missing Amy". And in 9x06 he has a massive breakdown over it. That's all very consistent with the way they've always written Sheldon when in distress. Amy, on the other hand, is not the angry and denial type. She is the one who gets visbily emotional and upset and generally wears her heart on her sleeve. That's the way she was always written. So yes, I totally believe we are seeing Sheldon swinging back and forth across the emotions and being strongly affected by the breakup, whereas Amy is more angry at him for his behavior (can't blame her there) but focused on moving on and hasn't really shown any indication that this is hard on her other than one line in 9x02. I am not asking to see Amy curled into her couch crying into a bucket of ice cream every episode, I am just saying we have had no exploration of her side whatsoever and when we do it's usually about her moving on, rather than swinging back and forth between pretending to be fine and clearly not being fine like we see with Sheldon. All I ask is for exploration of her character and her motivations. Again, she's a fictional character not a real person and nobody has accused her of being a stone cold b*** or anything of the like. There are people who get over breakups quickly and are just fine, that doesn't make them stone cold b***. It simply means they weren't into the relationship all that much or what have you. But I would like to think that's not the case with Amy, hence why I keep demanding for more exploration. I don't think it's just me. Mayim doesn't know what the heck is going on either and she plays the damn character!
    8 points
  25. Ok, I am going to ask the same question I asked in the chat room the other night. The impression I am getting from most is that Sheldon deserved to have Amy break up with him. He's been insulting, neglectful, a jerk, etc. On the other hand, Amy overreacted to both of Sheldon's comments about the flash and his asking others out, adding to Sheldon's pain because now he is suffering because of her actions. She doesn't understand him anymore and has decided to move on. If Sheldon has been a bad boyfriend, then why don't we want her to move on? If they are so bad for each other, Why do we bother to ship Shamy at all? Why are we even on this thread? I am and always route for Shamy but thought the question deserved to be put out there. When I ask myself that same question, my brain is stunned into pause, because the truth is that I really don't know why. I just do. Something about their uniqueness and seeing two broken people succeed with each other appeals to me. Even someone like Sheldon deserves to have someone to love and love him in return.
    8 points
  26. This thread has been such a great trip down memory lane- an amazing retrospective and celebration of 8 years of Lenny- the good, the great, the not so great and the pretty damn ugly.. We celebrated their stormy 8 year romance and their solid 8 year friendship and got to see Leonard and Penny marry the loves of their lives and their best friends in spite of their insecurities and doubts about their own value to each other. .And now we're thinking about their babies! I think the PopTart Redemption is complete but I guess if we learned anything in Season 8 it's that the only thing we can be sure of is that we can't be sure of anything. This picture I found kind of sums up Leonard's 8 year courtship with Penny and , to me, says so much about who he is and , I hope, continues to be.
    7 points
  27. I'm all for Lenny babies, especially if they are going past Season 10. They are just a natural extension of their love for each other. The writers have already 'jumped the shark' by letting them get married. Babies are funny. The other alternative to writing 'OUR' couple is constantly putting them and us through HELL, which is unneeded AND not funny. If Smart and Beautiful babies do come to Dr and Mrs H, my only wish is that they keep him or her away from Gramma Bev. The damage she's done to Penny's Pop Tart does not need to be repeated!
    7 points
  28. That's not really what, Mayim said. They asked her a specific question about kind of guy Amy would date and what kind of girl Sheldon would date. Besides the interesting stuff in the dating area comment, the rest was basically just superficial stuff. She laughed when she mentioned someone like Penny and said maybe someone more like Bernie. She also said something like as the person who plays Amy she prefers it be Amy. She never said Sheldon would be better off. Mayim gets a little too much heat from Shamy fans I think because she loves the pace of the relationship and isn't really that interested in the intimacy issues. But she is a huge fan of this ship and has talked often of how sweet she thinks it is and how she loves their different approach to romance. She often has offer lovely insight into how she thinks their relationship works. I see it like this Mayim = Sheldon and Jim = Amy as far as whom relates better to which character.
    7 points
  29. Sorry. Couldn't help myself.
    7 points
  30. Thanks for the shoutout ^^ I'm busy writing Chapter 50 :D
    7 points
  31. Gross sobbing cos I just want my happy shamy back
    7 points
  32. If looks could kill. Leonard will be dead a thousand times. Sent from my SM-G928F using Tapatalk
    7 points
  33. Loving the Lenny! Good to see them happy and the kiss quickly resolved. Re: kids, I personally don't want kids regularly on the show. However, I am not against flash forward episodes or just random flash forward thoughts, dreaming, imagining mixed in. But that's just me. Also, depending on no. of seasons, I imagined the show might end with Penny pregnant or Lenny just having had a set of twins...you know wrapping the series up with those smart and beautiful babies referenced way back in S1.
    7 points
  34. I don't think I have enough likes available, but I haven't read a post that has been made in the past few hours that I didn't like. Everyone has made very good points on their sides of the Shamy break and why they side with one or the order or both and ship them. For my part, I am with Koops. I want Shamy back together, but if Sheldon is going to continue to fail meeting Amy's expectations as far as wanting a traditional relationship, than she does need to move on, and Sheldon needs to let her. She shouldn't be in a relationship where she has to constantly force her will, and he shouldn't be in one where the things he fell in love with her for are no longer existent. Amy has changed faster than Sheldon as far as her needs in the relationship, and that is understandable. Sheldon does indeed need a kick in the pants to understand that he can't keep throwing insults to keep from showing his feelings and going at a snail's pace on the intimacy issue, thinking she is going to be okay with it. Taking this into consideration, the break up would make complete sense and the reconciliation should make them stronger. However, the writer's have screwed up in that they seemed to have altered Amy's personality to where the things that attracted her to Sheldon are now absent. Sheldon is still Sheldon, but he has gotten better because of her. Amy, on the other hand is no longer amused by his antics, can't seem to read through his remarks anymore to understand the underlying meaning behind them, and is no longer satisfied with the science-like, practical affectionate gestures and gifts Sheldon gives her that used to float her boat. Whereas his lectures used to make her hot, now she complains about them as much as everyone else. What happened to the Amy whose underpants caught on fire over a discussion of the RA, who loved his eidetic memory, and thought him staring into her eyes because he thought she had conjunctivitis was magical, told everyone he was the best boyfriend, etc.? He made so many strides in S8, telling her he loved her, taking the initiative to try to continue kissy face, opening a Skype call to tell her he had been thinking about relationships and then cuts him off to tell him she now wants space. Sheldon goes to her after doing what he normally does, reasons from a prior example of a time that seemed interminable for her, and goes to her after (11) hours. To him, he honored her request, and I thought that was sweet on his part. The Amy we knew before the break up would have found his reasoning of the (11) hours to be on target for the way Sheldon thinks. Instead, she continues to leave him hanging with no answers as to the reason she wants the space and need more time for it. Sheldon's behavior of reacting to his confusion was totally IC, whereas Amy's unwillingness to discuss the matter with him was not. Furthermore, it seems Sheldon's friends have pitted against him, so he really has been left out on the ledge to fend for himself. It appalls me that Penny knows how Sheldon feels about Amy but is adding to his pain by urging Amy to move on. If I were to blame anyone for Amy's change, it is Penny. She's been bombarded so much by what she has been told a relationship should be, that I think she honestly doesn't know anymore what she wants. She likes being popular and accepted. She's just going through the motions because this is what everyone is telling her she is supposed to do, and she's trying to figure it all out. However, IMO by Penny forcing Amy to call her mother, not just to tell her about the breakup but to reveal all of Amy's sins, and then agreeing to put her in the closet because her mother told her to tells me that Penny really does not have Amy's best interest at heart. Penny is trying to mold Amy into what she thinks she should be rather than support her for who she is. To Penny, she thinks she is being a friend, but to an outsider like myself, I think it is heartless. I bought into the Shamy coupledom because they were not like everyone else. Their antics were amazing, and awkwardly uncomfortable, and sometimes extremely sweet in an way I didn't expect. Examples: Amy giving Sheldon an orgasm by guiding his movements to alleviate his neck pain over a Skype conversation, The Herb Garden experiment, The D&D scene, The spanking... To me these were just as hot as if they were actually engaging in coitus. Sheldon trying to be a friend by accepting her basal urges and setting up a date for her to lose her v-card with Zack. Sheldon choosing to cuddle with her when she got dissed by Penny and Bernie and then confronting the guys about it in the cafeteria later. Sheldon agreeing to hold her hand at the theater. Sheldon upgrading their relationship from friends to boy/girlfriend. Sheldon taking care of her while she's sick. Sheldon using her as a tool to make up a sex life he didn't have with Kripke and then admitting to Penny that he had not ruled out the possibility of it actually happening one day. Sheldon going to thanksgiving at Howardette's even though it made him feel like a slave. Sheldon giving her the best Xmas gift ever. Yes, he has been selfish, but he has also shown in some any ways that he can be extremely caring and bendable as far as Amy is concerned while still being true to himself. I enjoy seeing the side of Sheldon in love with Amy, but he is still Sheldon. While I believe people can improve, I think it is extremely selfish to expect someone to change to suit someone else. When a couple divorces over a irreconcilable differences, sometime the judge asks, "Well didn't you know this about him/her before marrying?" Sheldon has always accepted Amy for who she is, changes and all. She's lied and manipulated him, she's become more open to intimacy, etc. However, he has never considered her unworthy to be his girlfriend because of it. His trepidation has always been about the changes she has made in him. If Sheldon can show her that he is willing to treat her better with the newfound knowledge that he can't hold onto her the way things have been going, and Amy decides that she does indeed love Sheldon for all that he is with realistic expectations of what she is going to have to put up with being in a relationship with him, than they will be okay. I just want her to reflect on the reasons she fell in love with Sheldon in the first place instead of continuing to be lost on a fantasy that there is a knight in shining armor out there that is going to suddenly give her everything she has wanted and make her happy. If the goal is to turn Sheldon into a normal hum drum guy and make the Shamy relationship like every other typical relationship on television, that I concede that my interest in them will be lost as well as my reason for watching the show.
    7 points
  35. For those trying to tie the reduction in TBBT ratings to the Shamy storyline, here's a bit of news. Last night, Empire had a 5.0, down five tenths from last week and it had 13.0 million viewers, that's almost 2 and a half million less than TBBT. NOTHING ELSE ON TUESDAY AND WEDNESDAY BROKE A 3.0. Modern Family had a 2.7, over a point less than TBBT. The Tuesday edition of The Voice only hit 2.2. Viewership across the board is down people. I would also prepare for a drop when it moves to Thursday. Historically, there are less total viewers on Thursday than there are on Monday. Less total viewers generally means less viewers for any particular show.
    7 points
  36. I think these great questions encapsulate the whole debate we've been having on this thread, and will continue to have when they reunite. We all come to ships with a balance of preference for one or the other member of the couple. Sometimes it's pretty evenly balanced, for me that was Marshall and Lilly on HIMYM. Sometimes, it's not balanced at all and the only reason you don't wish they'd run for the hills is that your character seems to want the ship to work. For me, that was Luke and Lorelia from Gilmore Gilrs (Luke you could do so much better, she is just the worst.). For me Sheldon and Amy split the difference, but I lean to Amy's side. And I lean that way because he does need to change the way he treats her in several key ways. Season 8 was doubtless a step in that direction. I'd hoped that the crisis of a breakup would take us further along that road, but my hope is flagging. For people who lean towards Sheldon, there is no road and things were fine. I get why this plot arc feels like a cruel joke. But not all shippers will see it the same way. It doesn't mean we're not shippers.
    7 points
  37. I wonder if Kaley now has a better understanding of what Johnny meant when he wanted to keep their relationship quiet.
    7 points
  38. Let us all hope and pray for a season 10 that the only thing we have to gripe about is the decorum of each individual house/apartment.....
    7 points
  39. I didn't see that post, but I don't think that's a generally shared consensus. Maybe the occasional moment of anger from the occasional fan, but I think what people sometimes mean is about the trust Sheldon put in her and how he must feel knowing/thinking he's been replaced very quickly. That there's a level of confidence and comfort that went lost there, because he's always suspected she would leave him for someone more "normal" and there she was, making his nightmare come true in front of his own eyes. Like I said before, I wouldn't say that they deserve someone "better", because I don't think there's anything inherently wrong or "lesser than" in either of them. But if the issue here is that Sheldon is just not enough for Amy to be happy and the only way Amy would be with Sheldon is if he changed into someone more "normal", then yes... they deserve someone else that can truly make them happy and value the same things, both of them. But my issue is that I struggle to wrap my mind around the fact that this is the story the writers are wanting to tell us, after 5 years of slowly building this relationship. And if it's not, IMO, they should do a better job at showing us why these two are meant to be together. I don't think they're doing that at all right now.
    7 points
  40. I do believe we see Sheldon missing Amy. Hell, he wouldn't leave here alone. When he did stop pestering her every minute we see he still contacts her. He is sad and makes comments about Amy finding someone better than him. And because we know he wants to get back together with her, I don't believe he asked her to live with him just because she was his last option. He wants to freakin marry her, obviously she is his first option. What I got out of the "getting over Amy" scene is not that he actually wanted to, but Amy has given him no choice. The duel was important because showed he wants to fight for her. The three years for part was just a joke because if his lack of skill and the fact that Kripke would beat him. It was in no way any indication that he was in no hurry to win her back. I wish there was more from both of them on this front, but I think we have been given enough information from Sheldon's side that he does miss get and want her back. We haven't been given any indication that Amy wants Sheldon back at all. None. She defended him once and got jealous, but hasn't shown any want to fix this or work this out. Not even a, "man, I really wants this to work it , but Sheldon is being a jerk and making it hard. " I completely blame the writers for failing her character here. But for me, I don't see much feeling from her to feel for her much from this point. I saw the hurt in the finale and the premier. I can understand 9.02. But from everything we've since this had really blown up is no interest in being back with Sheldon at all. Also, Sheldon has shown enough to others that Penny had no problem calling him on his bullshit.
    7 points
  41. How can i fix this? Just keep loving her. Good night all.
    7 points
  42. I think that if Amy and Sheldon reconcile, they should give themselves time to recover from the break up before jumping so quickly into marriage. Sheldon may insist they get engaged as proof of the commitment. However, if he promises to be a better man by giving up the insults and providing more intimacy, it behooves her to insist on time to show he can do so before saying the wedding vows. As such a wedding in S10 makes more sense.
    6 points
  43. You keep talking about rainbows and unicorns and I don't understand where you are seeing Amy wanting that kind of things, she may be curious about that kind of stuff and may think it would be nice to have those things every now and then, but in the grand scheme of things, that's not what ultimately motivated her for the break up, and I don't think it's that hard to see.
    6 points
  44. Not to be pedantic, she had tepid water, and he doesn't drink coffee(unless egged on by Penny). Her previous first coffee date was with Stuart. There are so many good points here I don't know which way to go with this. I am sad that they are apart.
    6 points
  45. I can imagine Penny as a mom (reference to Monday's episode) telling the kids: "Bed, now!" the way she told Amy to phone her mother.
    6 points
  46. I just watched a medley of the sweetest Shamy scenes on youtube and the only thing I know is that I'm so looking forward to the Shamy reconciliation, kissing, mutual affection. For me, it's only a matter of "when" and not of "if", and I still have faith that it will be worth waiting.
    6 points
  47. I believe it has been extremely obvious from the vet beginning that Sheldon still loves her, whether she knows about the ring or not. He asked her multiple times to get back together and he wants everything to do with her. Think about how hard it was to get him to leave her alone. Also, he told her he asked out others because that is what he was told he should do, there was nothing spiteful about that and he wasn't trying to hurt her or get revenge. But she pushed him away at every turn, so if he thinks she wants to move on, why shouldn't he attempt? Sheldon acted a fool in the beginning, no doubt. But the one who those questions should be pointed to should be Amy here. She first asked for a break to think. From what we know, he bugged the shit out of her for two days, going back and forth between lashing out asking her back. Since then he has shown to leave her alone for the most part. She has its the one who's answers to those three questions would be no. Not Sheldon. You can say he went about the absolute wrong way, but he made it very obvious at the start he wanted her back and still loves her. This is not all Amy's fault, but damnit, not every little thing Sheldon has ever done in this relationship is wrong. The dude sneezes wrong and it is used as one more reason why Amy doesn't want him anymore. And he isn't the only one who needs to learn or grow here.
    6 points
  48. I'm shocked it took this long! They've been together for 5 years! Most couples on tv shows go through two or three breakups and reconciliations in that time, I mean look at Lenny! I don't know why this is so surprising really, it was bound to happen at some point because it's TV trope 101: break up the ship to bring about drama and major character growth.
    6 points
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