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  1. 11 points
  2. 8 points
    How are ratings subjective? They are collected and measured in numbers but not influenced by personal bias or opinion.
  3. 7 points
    You will never get a consensus here what that word quality actually means in this context. Debate is pointless
  4. 6 points
    Seems to me Beverly and Penny her homegirl bonded from the beginning. I loved their drinking session.
  5. 6 points
    Not to me but apparently to others who don't watch the show and think Sheldon is still hanging out in 4A all the time. Yes, I think in hindsight it's a good move to use the sets more equally.
  6. 6 points
    Does this really comes as a surprise, when you look at how the show has been written these days with many Shamy driven A plots. I'm guessing that having Lenny in 4A and Shamy in 4B is just so that they use all of the main set, having Lenny in 4B would sadly just caused that set to gathering dust.
  7. 6 points
    As long as they keep using the set Leonard and Penny will be be bumped around by Sheldon. The thing is that a large part of the audience has a preference for Sheldon so he headlines. As to the presence of or not of the others - I’d mark that down to not rocking the boat and upsetting the formula. It’s not art or novel storytelling anymore - it’s about commerce. They have good contracts and good cashflow - but nothing new or interesting to tell in the way of stories. Good on ‘em for being successful - but unless you are engaged the stories are unremarkable and if you are engaged then it doesn’t matter what they put up on screen. And with regard to where they go further with Leonard and Penny; there is no incentive to promote them unless Sheldon’s wheels fall off and even then not - they have plan B, wherein they literally rejuvenate the character and start over. It’s brilliant commercial exploitation of a concept (unless Young Sheldon flops in which case good try and try again with something else). But don’t expect anything great for L/P on a consistent basis. TPTB don’t need that. They just need supporting players for the headliner, regardless of any intrinsic worthiness or not of any of the other characters.
  8. 5 points
    He may be unique. JP appears to be a caring, socially aware man with views similar to mine. However, for me Sheldon Cooper is a toxic personality. I would be absent often in a group that included such a person. I just dont like his he treats people. My opinion and feelings only. And I know extremely unpopular.
  9. 5 points
    Hey, anytime a character is on screen with Sheldon they are bumping against him. It is the premise now... plus some minor stuff about other people trying to have adult lives apart from when they are bumping against Sheldon. And P/L live on the same floor and host the socials. So more bumping. It’s how they get the laughs, mostly. Someone does something, Sheldon objects or corrects - crowd goes wild! Formula. (waiting now for Stephen to say something about Amy and Sheldon bumping... heheh)
  10. 5 points
    The point is though they don't use 4A for that one specific purpose. They have group hangouts there and the occasional other plot (PALS, Lenny +Howardette, Lenny +Raj) but it's not the "Sheldon intrudes into Lenny's privacy" zone. Honestly, before they went with the idea of Shamy moving into 4B I also thought that whoever gets 4A will have to deal with intruders all the time cause they didn't use 4B all that much. The last few seasons with Penny living more in 4A than 4B the set was mostly gathering dust. Turns out though once Shamy moved into 4B it's used more than ever. Judging by all the plots since the move it probably has the same or if not more screen time than the 4A set.
  11. 5 points
    A sitcom is just entertainment fast food. Ultimately the public vote with their feet (or remotes).
  12. 4 points
    I’m sorry. I just don’t like the character. There is plenty that draws more to TBBT. Sheldon Cooper isn’t one of the reasons. Again. I just don’t like him. If that’s bashing, then so be it.
  13. 4 points
    That’s true for you - and Sheldon was particularly unique, I agree. He wasn’t so much the petty tyrant then but hey. I enjoyed the guy who didn’t react hormonally all the time. Toddler adjacent Sheldon, not for me. And now the show is giving you more of Sheldon. The show has to compete across a broad spectrum. They can’t get all types so they engage more deeply with their base. It’s no longer about spread of appeal, it’s more about depth of engagement. So absolute merit doesn’t count. It’s to do with audience retention and just maybe growth. The show is getting old. People like what they like and see what they see. I see Sheldon as a moral disaster with almost sociopathic disregard for the welfare of others. That aspect of his characterisation deters me. Leonard was a bit of a Boy Scout - and I liked that - then they knocked him down a peg or six and have left him in a supporting role. They went with what worked. It’s show biz. peace out edit. Wrt Sheldon. If he had a diagnosis then I’d say different. I have kin with diagnoses. They get many passes. But as he doesn’t I assume he is exercising choices in his behaviour. If he is not able to exercise choice then what are we laughing at? The show has to ignore any medicalisation of Sheldon’s behaviour.
  14. 4 points
    That’s totally fine for you, because L/P are not your primary concern. Or the show’s. The show leads with its material that is most popular with its audience. So they get given more of Sheldon. Makes sense to me. Like sugar in coke - or supersized MacDonalds. It’s not necessarily that it’s the best thing, but it works for maintaining the level of consumption. That’s the goal. I’m not sure that one can make an argument that L/P are getting equal service in the narratives. They may be getting the service the majority of the audience feels they deserve. If the results were otherwise TPTB would write differently. People have preferences. /shrug.
  15. 4 points
    There you go bringing "facts" and "logic" into it.
  16. 4 points
    I think Leonard will always have an extremely complicated relationship with his mother. He will still fear her, be jealous of others who get along with her and crave her affection even if she suddenly turns into Mary Popins. So a fleeting moment of appreciation? Nice and important for him but its like trying to put a tiny bandage on someone who was run over by a truck. I think him still having a hard time with her is very realistic. Their relationship may improve, Leonard may try to "bury the hatchet", but I don't expect a 180, not even a 60 actually.
  17. 3 points
    I guess maybe it's my fault for not really enjoying the show anymore I'm nearly 66 and when i was dating it wasn't considered funny telling you girl friend what she was doing for a living wasnt important. It wasn't funny telling your friends their relationship wasn't going to work out because you knew better It seems the younger generations have a different idea of what's funny and what's romantic. After amy got sheldon the new computer and he told her to go home so he could Skype with her wasn't the least bit romantic to me this is all jmo Sent from my SM-G930P using Tapatalk
  18. 3 points
    We don’t know enough about the constituents of the audience to say that the current product captures the exact same individuals. But it’s likely that substitution rates keep the numbers up. Lose a L/P fancier, gain one (or two?) Shamy. I don’t know and we don’t have that data. But the wide appeal is still there. How much habituation matters I don’t know. The show generally is pretty benign (except for all the dictator-y stuff if you are sensitive to that). I feel that, for me, they dropped the L/P ball. In my mind those two hooked me. They aren’t exchangeable for Shamy. But for others Shamy are preferable. And given that Sheldon (even in his tyranny) is more child friendly than a sexually active Leonard and a challenging Penny, I’d guess that they have picked up more households with kids. Speculation of course. So not a quality issue. A consumer issue.
  19. 3 points
    Heheheheh, it may be a couple of weeks. I'll send you a PM shortly. How about something like total Time 4A is seen and total time 4B is seen. Time ASS and PLL are in 4A and time ASS and PLL are in 4B. Yeah, I was also going to look at how much Sheldon interferes in Lenny life. My first thought would be anytime Sheldon causes consternation (something like "The First Pitch Insufficiency" in their lives as Lenny. I realize it's probably subjective, but I'll list exactly what I mean by interference. I didn't hear any complaints about the way I divided up time, which was also subjective, so even with being a Lenny, I think I can objective enough. I'll come up with more on this later. Again, see the PM, I'll be sending shortly.
  20. 3 points
    I was hoping you'd say that! LOL Well, I guess if Tensor is really really bored he could check how often/long Sheldon is actually in 4A vs. everybody else.
  21. 3 points
    It is quality that is subjective.
  22. 3 points
    Would you look at that! TPTB can write funny IC jokes!
  23. 3 points
    I may have said TBBT has been in decline for the last couple seasons but even I can't deny that The show has Finish in the Topp 3 of all TV Shows at the end of every Season for the last 5 Seasons now! It finishes season 10 at Number 2. It still usually one of the most watched shows of the week and almost always wins the night. the fact is despite the show being in decline it finishes last 3 Season right near the top. The show has finished in the top 20 for 8 of it last 10 seasons.
  24. 3 points
    Beverly is the Evil Queen from Snow White.
  25. 2 points
    Problem with the character of Sheldon, as far his toxic personality goes. IS how much he has "developed". Back in the day when he was a jerk. OR made a socially awkward or innapropriate choice or decision, or said something. Like 3x02 When Sheldon blurted out how Lenny's first night was bad. Your natural response was like "Oh he is clueless, he knows no better". But now he has susposidley "Developed". And they have since Season 7 been going with the "He is becoming a real boy" narrative, majority of the mainstream seem to be enjoying. Hence why a broader part of the audience are seeing more of Sheldon then they used to. It just becomes asinine. When Sheldon is a jerk. He is socially aware, he knows what he is doing is wrong. But he still says innapropriate things. I really loved JP unique portrayl Season 1-3. When he wasen't so comical or hormonal in personality. He used to play it straight. Vintage Sheldon if you well. I just have not liked him post Season 7. He is a narcissist yes. All the characters have been selfish at times. Sheldon can do no wrong though in some peoples eyes. As far as why you watch the show. I always watched for Leonard and Penny. But that is just me.
  26. 2 points
    I have always said that. I have a son with Asperger's and he adores Sheldon. He used to say Sheldon was the only person on TV like him. Now, of course, there is the Good Doctor, where they at least admit it. I have often wished that the other characters would call out Sheldon more. Leslie and Barry could do it and make it work. I don't understand why so many fans disliked those two characters. The others didn't have to roll over as much as they did. Leonard whined about it a lot but backed down most of the time when push came to shove. And Penny was the one who said he didn't have to move out when she and Leonard got married. That was ridiculous in my opinion.
  27. 2 points
    Haha. He is on the spectrum even tho tptb denies it. But he gets a pass. If you can't take It, don't give it, that's is my motto. Sadly tptb will let him give it, but not take it and will let him get away with murder. Sent from my SM-N950F using Tapatalk
  28. 2 points
    Jim playing Sheldon is why I kept watching from the start. I never cared about Leonard or Penny, Raj was pathetic and Howard was creepy to me. But Jim's portrayal of Sheldon was unique.
  29. 2 points
    Yeah, not cool and any day, time or age, still not cool. Justification for Sheldon actions to me is not funny. Them days are done. 3 years of growth and learning nothing is a no,no for me. Being socially awkward is not a carte blanche for him to make those hideous comments or unfeeling actions. WTF. He doesn't even care because it's all about his comfort. Sent from my SM-N950F using Tapatalk
  30. 2 points
    To be fair. Sheldon doesnt need lenny anymore. He is funny by himself. Lol. Its the sheldon show now. Sheldon could sit on his spot for several hours and say nothing and his fans would find it funny, cause it would be the funniest thing since slice bread. Sent from my SM-N950F using Tapatalk
  31. 2 points
    Tonstar17 You said it so eloquently ! I am in total agreement with your fine words.
  32. 2 points
    So, Corrie isn't as good since the death of Ena Sharples and Minnie Caldwell?
  33. 2 points
    Bottom line is "quality" could mean so many different things it is almost devoid of any real meaning when used in the context of this forum. Kind of subjective squared I'd say.
  34. 2 points
    Because of that, I gave a like to your post , hehe! I buy June but not buy it at 100 % for reasons I had explained earlier. However, if shamy get married in season finale, I would really love that!
  35. 2 points
    Every time I mentioned the show ratings are down I hear either: a. The show is in its 11th season and that unheard of a show b. The ratings for other shows are down. i think my comment is equally subjective if not more.
  36. 2 points
    I would argue that's not a Lenny plot.
  37. 2 points
    The Engagement could have been but they didn't have a Real Engagement. Where were all the Plotlines centered around that? Howard and Bernadette had more Stories about their Engagement.
  38. 2 points
    Isn't it sad that they clearly didn't see any need to fix this? There have already been three easy fix suggestions made here, a team of professional writers could probably think of one if they thought the line warranted fixing.
  39. 2 points
    @mirs1 want to do another's poll? Amy has said she wants a June wedding on a cliff, overlooking the ocean at sunset. Absolutely, it's June, I have already cleared my calendar for the season 11 finale! Can an you say RED HERRING! No way, they really didn't think we would buy that!!!
  40. 2 points
    Penny needs to check her email more often when she stands behind the kitchen island.
  41. 2 points
    It's funny because it's true to life, my son used to txt me from his bedroom which was about 10ft from mine.
  42. 2 points
    It felt like Beverly kind of offered an olive branch at the renewal of vows ceremony that they specifically did for her, so it makes sense that she might want to have a better or stronger relationship with Penny. I thought after the words Beverly and Alfred said at the ceremony that Leonard and Beverly's relationship might have got off to a new fresh start as well but I guess not, there is some long rooted deep issues with that relationship. It's not the first time Leonard's childhood has made him jealous when it comes to others seemingly able to form a better bond or connection with Beverly than he does. It's been done many times over the years so it's nothing new. I think they need to move forward somehow, but the Beverly intimidating Leonard and being the way she is a creative theme they won't want to give up just like baby or child jokes, Penny likes a drink etc. I think they will never resolve his relationship with her between now and the end of the show.
  43. 2 points
    You are exactly right, it is inappropriate to say that to a woman. It sent Amy over the edge and she said done, over. Good for her. However, (IMO) Sheldon was hurting and somewhat desperate. He does not do change well and he reacted.
  44. 2 points
    Correct. Ratings are quantifiable, but quality isn't.
  45. 2 points
    That and Jim's delivery was what made it so funny to me. I felt so sorry for Sheldon but also couldn't stop laughing. ahahaha Same!! The promo pictures with them already look adorable. <3
  46. 2 points
  47. 2 points
    No, it is wrong to say that to a Women no matter what period! Even if true you should never ever say such things to a Women! It is wrong and rude. Also insensitive and again it sexist thing to say. It not right.
  48. 2 points
    Oh, that's really interesting. It's too far from Sheldon's stuff. Agreed. Same here.
  49. 2 points
    You follow 30+ shows currently airing? Looks to me like the demographics are not good for broadcast TV. Streaming services offer a lot of advantages. Like being able to watch when one wants to.
  50. 2 points
    I agree with the last sentence and have made comments on episodes I did not like. I may well watch early season episodes again some day. That was not my point. I have made a clarification in another post. Oh wait. It was the clarification you quoted. Let me put it a different way. I fully expect some great future episodes. I was actually debating with myself around season six if I would keep watching and have not done that in a long time. Most of the horn dog crap is gone and I like that! The Council of Sheldon's was inspired. I want to see some references to The Last Jedi and to Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (it Stars Elijah Wood and has on location shots in my community...). Yes I like the fantasy references too. Looking forward to seeing Bob Newhart again and more great guest stars. The cast and crew have been supportive of STEM education. I believe in that and have been involved in technology related education for the last 30 years. Got hooked by broadcasts of Apollo missions when I was a kid. Developed a fascination with electronics and computer technology... There is nothing else like TBBT on TV! I would like TBBT to continue and come on here to get more of it, and see what is coming up. Don't need a forum just to watch reruns.
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