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  1. 9 points
    I feel Penny and Leonard were both pretty sucky to each other in order to coddle Sheldon. The show spent a long time persuading me that they really needed and wanted each other - hence the angst and drama of the season 4, the Priya digression, the Penny/Raj debacle, and then Penny and Leonard 2.0 - followed by what... seven season of enabling Sheldon while disparaging one another. They never or rarely had any fun that we saw, they just existed as props for gags about Sheldon. Penny fawned over Sheldon and rarely stood with Leonard against him. I kept hoping for better and hung around because of that hope. And what did I get for staying... the frakkin’ “boat kiss” cliffhanger. Then they served up the almost unnatural cohabitation with Sheldon, which was just ludicrous pandering, to both the character Sheldon and to the Sheldon fanciers. It didn’t seem to hurt the ratings though. People swallowed it all. Makes me realise how tiny and lacking influence the L/P cohort must have been. Sheldon was a juggernaut, and not in the Marvel comic sense.
  2. 7 points
    I'm not sure Lennys were tiny and lacking influence. I think many of us kept watching because we still wanted to see them, and we also kept clinging to hopes that things will get better. Also, I know some Lennys didn't think it was that bad (or thought it wasn't bad at all) and truly enjoyed the later seasons.
  3. 6 points
    I am one of those Lennys. And I stand by it.
  4. 5 points
    I think it’s a matter of when you get on board and what you get on board for. It’s a subjective judgement. And rooting for the story to go on when it doesn’t is pretty familiar to me. So many shows I thought were great or interesting died prematurely. Firefly of course is a prime exemplar of the phenomenon. But people like what they like. Sheldon, to me, became a meaner, but intellectual, Biff Tanner, yet a still a bit of a sook along with it. Not appealing to me. And he initially had Leonard’s back. But that went away. He just took stuff. And Leonard rolled with it. Then Penny tended to take Sheldon’s side. Sucky. All done because if they didn’t then the show ended.
  5. 5 points
    Oh I don’t mean to be rude to the cohort, but we all might have sent “thoughts and prayers” for the actual effect we had. For one, Sheldon wasn’t smothered. Two, getting married didn’t get Sheldon out of there. And three, well, look. Just my opinion. An impression, in the afterglow.
  6. 4 points
    "I just wish, as they made him more aware of his shortcomings, they'd made him a bit nicer, even if it was only to Amy." That might have worked out and been okay. If only he had shown some consistency in his 'progression'. Instead, he alternated between being his old 'socially challenged, beautiful mind, quirk filled, condescending, elitist, intellectual snob' self; a person on the way to emotional and behavioral maturity; and an overgrown toddler. The tolerance he received from his friends and loved ones in earlier seasons became irrational and inexplicable in later years. This is how he went from being my favorite TBBT character to one that had to be endured.
  7. 3 points
    Hi guys, I am flashing in to give you something back. In order to cope with the loss of the show I made a little contingency plan for myself. There are so many elements of the show / stories worth exploring that I think that anyone who liked it will find something for themselves. In my case it is learning more about comics. I have been starting with the DC universe and are now watching the Flash TV show. I cannot tell you how much I like like it. While watching it I understand more and more why Sheldon liked the character so much and besides any BBT relations I think the show is truly good. After the Flash I will probably watch Arrow and so forth goes the list. I am sure that after exploring a lot of my list I will revisit Big Bang and have probably even more fun than ever. Anyway I hope this helps a little in dealing with the situation as it is. Will flash out now again. Live long and prosper 😊🖖
  8. 3 points
    As Nograv put it, it depends on when and what you got involved with. I started right at the beginning, identified with Leonard and Penny (because of me and my wife) and at that time, the focal point was Sheldon and Penny, pulling Leonard in different directions (and as an example, The Nerdvana Annihilation was an example showing Penny winning). That stayed right on through season three. In season's four through six, it was no longer the focal point, but the focal points were much more evenly spread out. Starting in season seven, and lasting until the end, it was Sheldon and Shamy that were the focal points. So, if you came in after season five or six, yeah, them not being the focal point was pretty obvious. As far as the writers, I hate to say lazy, but, when they found it more interesting and easier to write one thing, mainly or peripherally, and pretty much limit writing everything else to a minimum, because its not as interesting and harder to write, it pretty much boils down to not wanting to work at it, so yeah, lazy might fit here.
  9. 3 points
  10. 3 points
    I agree with everything you say, but couldn't tptb come up with any better plotlines than to have as you say "an unnatural cohabitation" with Sheldon. Even in "Friends" the main characters lived in separate apartments. And they let this living arrangement go on for over a year not just for a little while as Penny suggested when she caved in to Sheldon's whining.
  11. 3 points
    It also took me a little longer to evaluate this strange decision. But I just classified it as one of the many (in the sense of the show-runners) "tactical ruses". I recommend to read the Shamy-threads of earlier days. There you can see how a survival strategy can be built within your own fandom. 😊
  12. 3 points
    Agree with you totally. And I think the worse image of him being an overgrown toddler is when Penny and Leonard got married and they had to endure living with Sheldon because he could not bear living alone. Think this was a real mistake by tptb to keep this arrangement as they could have created just as many situations with P&L living across the hall. I really believe that when Sheldon was a youngster his family protected him so much that he was never allowed to grow up into manhood. Thus, we now have a grown man in his 30's - 40's just now reaching maturity. And all his friends have to endure and tolerate him.
  13. 2 points
  14. 2 points
    Leonard was ready to kick him out. Penny is the one who said he could stay. I always thought it should have been the other way around, if it had to be at all. Leonard did accept being Sheldon's go-to guy and very seldom rebelled. He did a few times, but not enough. I thought this all along and took a lot of flak for it, but it's true. But part of it is, from my perspective, that as large part of the L/P cohort as you put it, were happy with any crumb they got thrown. The smallest thing was latched onto as a hopeful sign, when it was clear to me that Lenny was never going to be the show's focal point. It's one of the reasons i never got deeply into it.
  15. 2 points
  16. 2 points
    I believe Leonard is responsible as well. He never made Sheldon do anything, he just did everything for him.
  17. 2 points
  18. 1 point
    It's not really my fandom although I enjoyed most of it. I was never totally fixated on it and I was definitely NOT a teacup speculation person. I liked ensemble plots best, like Raj's scavenger hunt, the parking spot escalation and things like that. It's why I think season six was the best season. But they didn't need a survival strategy because the writers wanted to play with their new toy to the exclusion of all others and to a lot of people it showed. And when they did do something with Penny and Leonard so much of it seemed so stupid! I was there all along, although I quit for a short time at the end of season one and had to pick what I'd missed back up in the summer. I didn't see the uniqueness of the show at first. I was on the IMDB boards then and it wasn't a good place to be a lot of the time, plus the idea of nerdy guys and a busty blond...yawn. A foreign guy friend who has trouble with girls...yawn. A pervy friend to the nicer guy...yawn. But Sheldon was something I'd never seen before and after a short break the show clicked for me.
  19. 1 point
    44444 The ultimate palindrome!!!
  20. 1 point
    The writers were too damn lazy to write different plot lines.
  21. 1 point
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  22. 1 point
  23. 1 point
    Plus, to me, that was when Penny was wanting to help Sheldon more than her husband. I know at least 3 or 4 times Penny said when Sheldon talked about being bullied she wanted to hug him and make him feel better and when Leonard started to talk about him being bullied, she told him he probably deserved it or he had it coming. The writers thought it was funny, but I did not laugh in the least.
  24. 1 point
    Spot on! I will always feel that TBBT was changed, irrevocably and for the worse, when it was decided to evolve Sheldon from his original persona into something radically different. Once he stopped being the 'socially challenged, beautiful mind, quirk filled, condescending, elitist, intellectual snob' on his way to 'normalcy' he became all too often just plain annoying. He still took shots at Penny, but they came across as mean spirited and cheap.
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