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Lord Zog

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  1. Nah, that would be an ad hominem argument. I didn't say what you stated was false, just pointing out the hypocritical nature of your post.

    Okay, just for the record: the way You're arguing is still just polemic! (Despite the ad hominem argument expression, wich I actually like.)

    What should I do from now on? Write "the character Leonard (dito for Penny, Sheldon etc.)" every time I write something about one of the cast, so You can't say "nananaa, You did it yourself!" ...or should I make that "the fictional character Leonard" to minimize the risk that someone of someone accusing me of being hypocritical again, beacause I so clearly want to discus the character of Leonard there (sorry, of course I mean the fictional character Leonard!)

     

    This is just stupid.

     

    Okay, I do understand the urge of fans to make their fictional heros seem more real. I'm not a stranger to that urge having been a fan to so many movies, series, comic books etc. myself in the last few decades, but most of the discussions in this forums just go a lot too far for my taste.

    Perhaps I should just have written that.

    And then leave the forum, which I still might do anyway now.

    Not so much because of that little fight we just had, that would be childish. Fact is, as much as I love TBBT, most of the discussions in this forum just don't interest me.

     

    I just wanted to put this straight, I'm sure You won't miss me too much! ;) (I wouldn't if I was in Your place.)

  2. You know that Leonard's not real, right? He is what writers want to make him be. You telling everyone that Leonard is the more normal one, makes you guilty of the same thing you seem to want to tell others it's wrong to do, because the characters aren't real.

    Ouchouchouch, ooouuhh that one really hurts! Hurts soo much!

    What is this? Polemics for beginners?

    What argument would You bring next? "Your mom..."?

  3. Sorry nothing Beverly does will every make me side with her.  You don't emotional abuse your child(ren) and expect them to be okay in life.  You don't use your child(ren) for your experiments and expect them not be damage in some manner!

     

    I'm not siding with Beverly for what a horrible mother she was.

     

    I never thought I was supposed to side with anyone! For once, they're not real persons, and secondly it's still a comedy, not a social drama!

     

    So, no, I don't think Beverly was abusive.  Her weirdness is exaggerated for the joke.

     

    Don't get me wrong, I think You're eabsolutely right there, but:

     

    OF. COURSE. HER. WEIRDNESS. IS. EXAGGERATED. FOR. THE. JOKE!!!

    It's a comedy, for cryin' out loud!

    That's how comedy works! All characters are exaggerated, from Sheldon to Dr. Gabelhauser!

    They need to be exagerated to be funny! But they're not real, no matter how much You wanna side with them, or how much You claim that You know a guy who's perfectly the same as Sheldon or Howard or whatsoever! Because You don't! Believe me. No matter how strong the similarities are, normal persons don't act like that! They just don't!

     

    But of course You all know persons who are in a way like those characters, like self-centered Egomaniacs like Sheldon, unemphatic parents like Bev, pathetic loosers like Stuart, and so on. It is vital for the show that can build relations to the characters by either identifying themselves with them (that's why Leonard is usually more "normal", reality-based and a little less nerdy like the rest, so viewers can identify more easily with him) or identify other characters with people they know or are familiar with from their every day life experiences.

     

     

    You know, all that talk here about social structures and relationships reminds me of the good times in the early seasons, when the only steady couple in the whole show were Raj's parents! In a way it was much funnier then.

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  4. And the end, oh the end. I was glad that he was able to say, "I'm mad at you" without fear of her rejecting him or anything. I love that she gave him the freedom and safety to express his anger or hurt or whatever he might feel. I love that she is helping him to be more open with his feelings, which allows her to do the same.

    And I loved his last line about Garfield and Mondays and his triumphant little smile! :)

     

    I don't think Sheldon would ever have troubles with telling someone "I am mad at You" and being afraid of being rejected.

    First, plainly saying "I am mad at You" would definitely typical for him (as weel as the childish revenge scheme).

    Second, he is so self centered he would never believe that one of his friends or his girlfriend would ever find any reason or even want to reject him.

     

    I think this was more about growing up, getting more committment into a serious relationship and how to behave in it.

    S1-Sheldon only would have to been told "This is social protocol for relationship situations like this." and he simply would have done it.

     

     

    A propos serious: What they all didn't get about Indiana Jones: The movies, from the first one on, weren't meant to be serious adventure movies, they never have been! Indiana Jones was designed to be a satire to classical movie and pulp fiction adventurers like Allen Quatermain. He is an Anti-Hero, and being that, it would perfectly fit for him being victorious in the end although he failed in almoust everything he tried to achieve. And even his final failure in bringing the arch to his country, but failing to display in the museum, fits to his role as anti-hero. He might have the reputation as a hero and acts like one, but in fact he is more of a loser.

    But it's true: a real nerd-fan would never admit this! To the fans Indiana Jones is an adventurer, he is tough, cool, he is a badass archeologist, he is a hero, and that would be it!

    I once spent an four-hours-cardrive with one kind of that nerdy fan species... four long hours in a car going on and on about Indy here and Indy there, and that killed the whole franchise for me far more effectively than Amy would ever be able to! :hang:  So, just for that, I enjoyed the episode immmensly! :sarcastichand: I just could have watched the firs and last part (with the middle in the cafeteria): 

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  5. OH NO, HOW COULD SHE!? :swoon:

     

    I think, just for the last part of this preview clip (Amy's evil to-the-point-analysis of Indiana Jones' role*  :diablo:  (and Sheldon's priceless reaction)) this will gona be my all time favorite episode ever, no matter what comes! :dancer: :dancer: :dancer:

     

    I usually try not to watch Sneak previews, but this was totally worth the spoiling!!

     

    (*I think I have to try this one on one of my nerdier Indy-addicted friends, too, before the episode airs! :D :diablo: )

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    Besides, when they started out, I don't think anyone expected TBBT to be a huge hit. In fact, this version of TBBT was Lorre's second chance which he probably only received because he is Chuck Lorre. The original version with Sheldon, Leonard, Glinda and Katie, was extremely dark, gloomy, and went over like a lead balloon.

     

    Oh, I would so liked to have seen that one!  8P  I there anything of it anywhere to be found?

  7. When Sheldon tells her they all had seen the film. There was a hand to mouth moment of shock, then she moved on. There was no big problem, so far as I could see. The bigger problem is how Howard kept his mouth shut about it for so many years. Lol.

    Ah, of course! Now I got it! Thanks.

     

    Yes I agree with Nogravitasatall here.

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    3ku11 said

     

    No. Leonard had never believed Penny is out of his League. He has had all sorts of issues but that was never one of them. His insecurity was in the episode you mention probably stems from Penny's history with boyfriends (and others). They did not so much work things out as get distracted by Sheldon running away. If anything that episode showed they are OK as long as they are focused on something outside their relationship.

    I'm not so sure about that. I watched The Guitar Amplification not so long ago and I clearly remember Leonard complaining about Penny obviously believing she is out of his league and acting like it. (In his opinion, that is.)

    But agreed, that doesn't have to mean that he believes it, too - though I wouldn't be surprised if he did, at least subconsciously. He always had low self esteem. And he clearly behaved like it on The Guitar Amplification.

  8. And I have seen Penny's response to the news that she was outed as an actress. She was shocked, but NOT horrified.

    Where did You see that?! There wasn't anything after Leonard outing her to his collegues, or did I miss something?

     

    Or one might have thought before the last scene of 7.01 where Leonard was not so smart as one might have expected. After 7 years one might have expected him to have learned a bit more.

    Having the time his life, bein on a party, surrounded by people who think he's cool... AND being drunk, that would anyone prevent from doing the clever thing!

     

    BTW I think it's a pity that this part doesn't get enough attention after his trip: Leonard being the centre of the party, bein surrounded by people who seem to think he's cool, that should have done something to his self-esteem. But it obviously evaporated the moment he shaved his beard off!

     

    Ok, he is and always was the centre of his nerd-group back home, but let's be honest: they never thought that he was cool! Obviously no one ever did! (...except maybe Sheldon's assistant.)

  9. After so long a friendship Leonard's reason for being in love with Penny can't be just her appearances. She's not just a trophy girlfriend for him, Leonard is usually not portraied being so shallow.

    Well, at least not completely. ;) I still love the last scene when he is a total ass showing off with his nude-scene-actor-girlfriend in front of all his drunken collegues! :D

     

    BTW, I love that Reinhold Messner-Look on him, with that beard!

    Is there a name for thet, too? Reinhard? Leonhold?

     

    Or Grizzly Hoffstatter? ... Grizznard Adstatter...?

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    Sorry to disagree again, but I believe the scene is about how Stuart overcharges Sheldon taking advantage of his giddiness to buy Leonard a present.

    I always wondered about Stuart's business abilities. One time he seems being able to ripp of easily his customers ("Like shooting nerds in a bucket!"), next time he doesn't earn enough money to pay his rent or warm water!

    It seems to me, the writers just use it any way that would provide a joke. (Still always funny nontheless! In any case Stuart is one of my favorite supporting recurring characters.)

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  11. I get a kick out of how hard we all try to make sense out of this show.

    We probably should have abandoned that quest when Penny moved in. I mean, in what universe do two physicists have to share an apartment to make ends meet, while a minimum wage waitress living in the same building can afford to live alone? :-)

     

    Ya!

    I'm sure this can (and will) be discussed in so many ways, but I still think You got a point there!

     

    So next time when You all are stuck in an endless discussion about the social structures and relations in tht TBBT group and try with every possible effort to force this show into the same rules and mechanisms that affect our normal every day life, just stop for a little moment and think about this little detail (a detail that baffled me from the very beginning) - maybe it helps You not to forget:

    "This isn't the real life. This is just a TV show. It has nothing to do with real life!"

     

    ...and then go on doing what You did before, because frankly You wouln't stop doing it anyway!  :nomention: 

    (And where would be the sense in this dicussion board if You did? ;) )

  12. Glad I wasn't the only one wondering when Stuart stopped hanging out with Raj. I love Stuart! He needs to be one of the group eating take-out in the opening credits.

     

    No, that's just what I don't want him to be! (As cruel as it may sound!)

    Because as sorry as I feel for him, Stuart is just so much funnier being the sad outsider who is (or feels) left out at most of the times.

    But give  him a little spotlight once in a while and his eventuall lonelyness besomes even funnier! :haha:

     

    He was a great member of Sheldon's B-friend-group, though!  ;)

     

     

     

     

    (...) Howard and Amy discover they are half-siblings or anything like that.

     

    Funny, that You say that. When I saw them together so much in this episode, I startet to wonder, too... <_<  :scare:

     

  13. I hate that the thread for such a wonderful, fun episode has turned into this.  :swoon:

    True. I can't help wondering myself: what tf is it You're all babbling about? (Or not ALL, but still too many.. you know...)

    "Sheldon and Penny becoming a couple"? "Sheldon ans Penny tying the knot"?

    Seriously, have You all watched a completely different show than I did the last few years?!

     

    And what on earth have all these delusional speculations to do with this week's episode?!

    From "next to nothig" to "nothing", pick a number, any number.

     

    I know, fans are bound to speculate about so many aspects of their favorite show - I don't have to be told, I'm not a stranger to fandom. I'm quite familiar with that phenomenon from the DoctorWho-Forum, but this is simply rediculous! (And I know, as a Newby I should better be humble and quiet, but I just can't help it.)

  14. Dang, Raj. You and Stuart were so tight at one point. Now his name doesn't even come up when you're sending out murder mystery night invitations? That's cold, brother! :)

    I thought just the same! Just when did those two drift apart? When did it happen? I remember them being close friends (wiedrly close friends, too close!), when Howard arrived home from the space station, and then after a while Stuart sort of faded away again.

    Of course, Raj had this intense girlfriend-intermezzo which would have taken all his time.

     

    To be honest, I'm not really sad about it. Stuart is a great supporting character. He is best, when he is the sad sack, lonely, desperate and insecure, and never part of the group. Because as a part of the group he always seemed kind of too awkward to me (if there is a thing like "too awkward in THIS group! ;) )

     

    So, after all: I was delighted seeing him back in his old form. And I just loved his last sad line "So no one's gonna buy anything!"

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  15. What I like more and more in this show: the girls! Their characters are not yet as fixed as the guys. They often do unexpected stuff and surprise where their male counterparts in the group are often too defined in their roles.

    For example the Amy/Howard-combination in this episode was really funny... and quite surprising! I would not have imagined of Amy being so relaxed about the game and having so much fun singing with Howard. I first thought that she would be the one of the girls who would be more competitive.

     

    And I quite enjoyed the Sheldon/Penny-group as well, for quite the same reasons: what I expected after the first puzzle-puzzle was that Sheldon would slow them down at every part of the game and that Penny would save them all quicker, but they would still loose thanks to Sheldon's pedantic slow-down. In fact they were are great team of two different types who - in a wacky way - completed each other (only that Sheldon typically would never admit that! ;) )

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  16. The only thing I really didn't like about this episode was the fact, that Leonards trip was all over again too soon! I would have liked to see him on board the ship over the next few episodes, since he seemed like a complete different guy there and having lot of fun. And I liked the Nerdy Reinhold Messner look! :D

    I know, changings in a character are always tricky, but since he would return eventually and everything most probalby would get back to normal when he's back home, it would have been quite a nice change for a while. Like it was with Howard on the Space station.

     

    In fact, this felt more like the trip to the north pole. A lot of fuss beforehand, and then... more or less over befor it even started. Just one episode with Leonard away and his friends coping with his absence, and the next episode: bang, back again, back to normal!

     

    Since I believe the whole episode has been discussed in lengths already, I'll leave it at that and try to catch up with more recent topics.

    Not always easy, since I'm from Germany and therefore can't watch the new episodes on-time when they premiere on TV, but I'll try.

     

    (PS.: Hi, there! New guy here! First post, two more to go, untill I reach full trustfullness status! ;) Oooh, am I excited! :D)

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