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  1. Penny is younger than the others too. ( I think - never sure about Bernie’s age but I’m under the impression that Amy is close to Sheldon’s age and we know the guys are much older than Penny from the start of the show). She may change her perception later on ( and Amy might be trying to advance her own cause because of her age ). As a teacher in a profession surrounded by women of every age I’ve worked with a lot of Penny types who had no interest in motherhood around her age and some have changed later on. Of course, this a sitcom with writers sounding determined to stick with this no kids for Lenny thing, not a staff room full of real women so who knows what the last 7 eps will reveal.


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  2. I think with Sheldon, his story has always been reluctance to embrace anything emotional but when finally led into it, he gradually accepts it and eventually embraces it. From his reluctance to hugging that Penny wore down, his fear of birds until convinced to hold a bird that became lovey dovey, from his disdain for the concept of the girlfriend boyfriend paradigm to finally accepting it with Amy but then slowly and at times unsuccessfully embracing it, then the intimate touching slowly leading to coitus which he found he enjoyed to finally accepting marriage as an option.

     

    But all these things took a long time. This baby thing seems too rushed compared to all the other milestones and to me it seems heavily influenced by that one future bombshell from YS, which Holland referenced in that interview. I personally don’t think it has to be shoehorned into the Big Bang finale to justify a statement that a big chunk of BBT fans may not even be aware of because they steer clear of YS. Finishing with the Nobel nomination is enough closure to the Sheldon story. It doesn’t need the additional parenthood thing as well.

     

     

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  3. Agreed, but....
    If that story line had been about Leonard exposing Penny to how delightful babies can be, would you feel different?


    Sheldon has often expressed displeasure with babies. Penny hasn’t. She just doesn’t want to have her own. Happy to be cool Aunt Penny without the pregnancy and giving birth and probably the 24/7 mother commitment. Babies are always delightful when you can hand them back and get access to them without the pain and struggle. I loved the raising kids bit when I was watching and helping my kids grow up and have been teaching young kids for 30+ years but now at my age I’m more loving the temporary attachment to my nephews’, nieces’ and younger colleagues’ babies. I think that is where Penny is at. Sheldon on the other hand hasn’t even wanted to touch kids until last night.


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  4. Then we see it differently! To me he's still the condescending ass he's always been!


    We agree on the condescending ass. That is still apparent. But my family is full of condescending asses ( me included ) who still love each other. Just hard to see sometimes.

    Not trying to change your mind though because you have been very consistent with your opinions over the years, as is your right.


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  5. I'm not interested all. Haven't watched any "YS" other than commercials. Even then, when they came on, I went to the restroom! I totally avoid that show! I'm glad you like it!


    Yep, well aware of that, chucky. Had you in mind when I was writing the post. You’ve made that clear since YS started. And you’re entitled to that opinion


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  6. I know a lot don’t watch Young Sheldon and some refuse to accept it as part of BBT canon but it’s interesting that Holland ( my interpretation ) in the Radloff interview intimated that the episode of YS that revealed he and Amy had kids in the future influenced their thinking for the BBT ending
    “I can't answer this exactly, but I will say that having that revealed on Young Sheldon was a big moment for our series. I think it's part of our journey to end Sheldon in a spot where that future is possible."

    With that in my mind, I find it interesting to compare the Dad Sheldon Cooper describes throughout BBT and the Dad he is recalling in YS as the Narrator of that show. We focus on how much Beverley inspires his ideas on parenting and how important Mary has been seen in BBT but in YS George Cooper is an underrated influence in Sheldons life and may be more of a role model for how Sheldon sees fatherhood in the future than we think. The BBT writers even tried to convince us about George in the crossover episode when Sheldon sort of realised when he saw the video that Dad wasn’t all bad. He’s actually a decent dad in YS and since Sheldon is telling the story it is basically rewriting the canon of Sheldon’s past through his own storytelling.

    Now for those who hate YS and refuse to accept its rewriting of history, this will mean absolutely nothing but for me, who quite enjoys the show, I’ll be interested now that Holland has made that comment whether Sheldon talks about his dad in a different light as he considers fatherhood at the end of Big Bang Theory. Food for thought.


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  7. I laughed at the episode and loved the celebration of successful Penny - hasn’t had a lot of that over 12 years. I enjoyed Sheldon’s role in the experiment but did not like Amy’s clandestine manipulation, especially after Raj worked it out. I know that has been her thing since strawberry quik and the Star Trek nursing emotion enhancement but that was funny. To me, this was manipulative and the sly looks and tone in her voice made her look bad . Others will disagree.

    I also feel they’re making Bernadette an unlikeable character but that’s been in and around for awhile. She was really nasty to Penny and she’s done it to Amy too in the past. It was more little angry lady syndrome at first but since we’ve moved to her workplace more often with Penny’s job she’s coming across as a real piece of work for me too often. I love Howardette but Bernadette is not working for me. Melissa has also lowered the tone of Bernadette’s voice over the last couple of seasons as well which has changed her original sweet little innocent Smurfette sound into a tougher nastier feel.

    I liked the Leonard/Beverley bit mainly because Leonard saw it as a positive, although again it’s just another small crumb for him while Sheldon gets a feast of Nobel and baby plan promises from the writers. Liked the sweet goodbye between Lenny but am so sick of yet another “Don’t leave me, Penny” act from Leonard. It’s just stupid writing and has been for a long time.

    Ending didn’t quite work either. My wife doesn’t comment much about the show but when she does, I take notice. She said she didn’t like how the episode ended.


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  8. I've never figured out why Amy would want to take on a life time baby sitting job with sheldon

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    You don’t have to. Let’s be honest, Penny is the only one not married to a man child, just a man with insecurities. Bernadette is portrayed as pretty much looking after a big kid in many episodes too.


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  9. MASH was IMHO the most complete finale to any TV show. It helped it was movie length and while Hawkeye as the clear number one character, he didn’t dominate the story line in the same way Sheldon has for year, although the finale was centred around him. Everyone got their own farewell story, it was warm and satisfying for all of them. It had the same amount of main characters as BBT but they had individual stories - they weren’t matched up as couples. Was a very different show though so easier to finish off than BBT - war ends, everyone goes on to the next chapter, either staying or going home to those waiting for return or a job. BBT harder to close up because it has multiple pathways. We await how it will go.

     

     

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  10. I'm talking about a television program not real life. If it was real life i would agree with you

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    I’m aware you’re talking about a TV Show. Doesn’t change my opinion on the concept of “deserves”. Your opinion differs. That’s fine.


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  11. Didn't Leonard want children in the first episode. So why would sheldon deserve a Nobel prize and Leonard not get what he wanted

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    I don’t think it’s about who deserves what they want - they’re not 6 yo kids who need a lollipop as a prize for being good little boys. Sheldon doesn’t deserve a Nobel prize but can end up achieving that logically as a story through individual excellence ( or as it turns out as a team with Amy). Whether the theory in the plot is scientifically worthy is another debate. Leonard OTOH doesn’t deserve to have a kid because it involves a shared commitment to an emotional decision by him AND his wife Penny.

    Sheldon could have been written as achieving his series long dream of a Nobel without Amy; Leonard doesn’t get his dream realised without Penny. It’s a big difference in real life. What Leonard and Penny DESERVE as characters in a story is a well written story that explains why the final decision is what it is, which may still happen. But Leonard doesn’t deserve a baby just because he wanted one in the pilot. That’s not how life works in my experience.

    And I’m a Lenny who wanted a Lenny baby but can accept it not happening if the story of the decision is written well.


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  12. I don't think a story is over when a couple gets married. There's lots of comedy still to tap. What about I love Lucy, Terry and June, The Larkins, The Good Life, Till Death Us Do Part/All in the Family, As Time Goes By, Frasier,Goodnight Sweetheart, Marriage Lines, George and Mildred, Mad About You and Roseanne ? Not to mention Young Sheldon. Personally, I find Shamy funnier than ever. I didn't find some aspects of their relationship pre Sheldon's 9.07 spockiphany at all amusing.


    I don’t think the story SHOULD be over after marriage either - but many would say the writers do!


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  13. That was a few years ago. Fashions change, acceptability expands, and as women's legs age they need something to cover up the support stockings - or is that just me ?


    Didn’t see any support stockings covering Penny’s legs in the bedroom a couple of weeks ago


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  14. But what I read in the taping report there is no advancement in that storyline. And the Howard storyline is not adding anything. Seems weird though to have two kid related episodes in a row.


    Howardette are possibly like Lenny once they got married - their story is over. Longest married, got two kids. As a couple what else can the writers do with them as a couple to advance their story? Any Howardette story is going to be filler now, I would think. Bernie is getting career stories with Penny and Howard is probably just do boy stuff with the boys. I think they’re done. But they still have to appear in the show so fill away.


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  15. Yeah, "Recurrence" was a crusher for a lot of Lennys who were watching it linearly, as we didn't know when or even if they would ever get back together.   

    Yeah, by late season 4 and Priya it must have been tough. I had it easy. I could watch that unfold looking for signs it would all come good.


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  16. Neither Leonard or Penny seem to have a problem with Wil and never have. Lennies always take it harder than Lenny themselves. I guess that’s the curse of the devoted shipper! ( maybe because I saw Recombination BEFORE seeing Recurrence and knew the final outcome it didn’t affect me the same way. )


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  17. A very funny pointless episode- not that there’s anything wrong with pointless as it went back to the early days when they just made episodes without having to resolve long time issues and could just have fun. Shatner was used well, intereacting with the Big 3 of Sheldon, Penny and Leonard - loved the Penny/ Shatner bit. Seemed Kareem was there just for the photo with Bernadette to show the height difference as i never got why he’d be a friend of Wil ( he’s an LA Kings fan, not Lakers) , whereas Shatner’s Star Trek connection, and Kevin Smith already linked to him in previous episode with Penny (would have liked Smith to acknowledge that podcast interview) made sense and Joe was there to entice the girls to the game.

    The rest of the episode was just old school BBT fun - the classic cafeteria boys stirring each other, a call back to Sheldon at Wil’s door doing his 3 knock thing, a bit of the boys working as a team, the girls having a girls episode, a bit of Penny pretending to not be interested in Leonard’s geek stuff but finding something to like but different ( he’s all Shatner and she’s all Kareem and Magic Mike), Amy a bit out of control girl without Sheldon “harshing her buzz”, all in all a good fun 20 minutes of simple comedy to enjoy before returning to the unresolved dramas.


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  18. I wouldn't call it pointless holiday ( though I not sure why Kids  get day off from school)  You may or may not like the current President  but we have had some great presidents and some good ones and then a few decent but the rest are okay, medire or bad..  as Tensor said originally it was only meant as a holiday to honor Washington and Lincoln before it was changed in the 1970s to honor all (now) 44 Presidents. 


    Wasn’t calling President Day pointless. As an Aussie not my place to suggest that. Apologies if I came across that way. I was referring to my horse race and football holidays back home. Fun but why?!?!


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  19. TBH looking back they got engaged way too early. I always imagined this to be the series final. I think they lost a bit of the payoff. When they married them off. In a way it was refreshing, as say compared to Friends. TBBT broke down the trope of "Well they or won't they". But it was counterintuitive. And it felt like ever since Season 8 they were just ready to ride off into the sunset. Breaking Bad is my fav tv show of all time. But even when they revealed Heisenberg to Hank. The Series Final was still amazing. I don't know if it is just me. But when Lenny had that crappy first wedding end of Season 8. That was the begginning of the show going off a cliff. Instead of getting to the other side. 


    I get what you’re saying at it’s probably true but it’s more the show kept on going more than they got engaged too early. They were together for 2 and a half years so not exactly a whirlwind relationship. Maybe the wedding was rushed when they weren’t really prepared. Maybe Season 9 should have been a second year of engagement when they worked out their differences but by then the writers were rushing headlong into Shamy overload. Even during the 3 years of marriage they could have at least got some baby talk action but then every time Leonard brought it up, Penny brushed it off very quickly. Lenny were front and centre for a long time and then the show just kept going and they were done for a long time as well. It is what it is now. Not much we can do now but enjoy what we can.


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