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  1. Of all the characters, Penny’s reputation has taken the greatest hit from the writers. She’s too dumb to work out how to use glue, thinks a potato could be used as a serious electrical power source, can’t read a comic at the same speed as the other girls, couldn’t tell the difference between a real or fake wedding, as a very young teenager slept with every male she met, including a 34 year old in a hotel, thought sending photos of herself in her bra would help pay her bills, was a bully, got her friends to do her work for her to pass an assignment at community college, stole clothes from charity bins, has a brother in jail, uses her body to get things, drinks so much she regularly passes out.............. the others have amplified faults that are referred to but have been allowed to move on from their past while even after 8 years of monogamy with Leonard, Penny still cops the same insulting jokes. She has probably progressed more from her past than anyone in the show but the writers still target her past for a cheap laugh more than anyone. She’s the character I feel sorry for more than anyone.


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  2. Isn’t it ridiculous that this super-asymmetry theory can be submitted for the Nobel Prize within a year of its publication?  Doesn't it have to be comprehensively tested by several teams over a longer period of time before a Nobel Prize would be awarded?
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    Yeah, maybe I just have to avert my desperate touch of realism again.

    http:// https://www.livescience.com/64557-the-big-bang-theory-super-asymmetry.html

    A real physicist from Fermilab discusses the realities of this Nobel prize plot. Interesting read.



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  3. Until I hear otherwise I am operating under the assumption that there is going to be some sort of time jump or voice over fast forward at the end of the final episode.  That sort of scenario would allow them to make things happen in a more realistic time frame.

    Will have to be some kind of time jump if the Nobel is a go ahead. They don’t get announced until October, based on last year’s results.


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  4. Really shamy are a better couple to have kids than lenny. Wow.. totally not buying that.

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    Think you misread my point or I wrote it badly. I’m arguing the opposite. I’m agreeing with you. But the writers appear to think the opposite with the Young Sheldon reveal.


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  5. You could have sold the no kids bit with the other two and IMO it would of been believable. I just don't buy Penny as worrying about her career.

     

    That’s a fair point. Sheldon for years only cared for science. Changing enough to embrace love of a woman and getting married could have been enough for Shamy, who started as a couple dedicated to knowledge ( yes I know a very early Shamy episode had that whole procreation to gift humanity with another Sheldon thing but that could have been left as a one off joke as much as some say about “smart and beautiful”). Leonard on the other hand from the beginning, while loving science, was also craving the love of a woman. Shamy, two people who are depicted as dedicated people of science, as the poster children of you don’t need kids for a happy ending could be argued are more suitable than Penny and Leonard, two people who throughout the series were depicted as the nurturing couple. But the writers beg to differ, with the shared universe of BBT and Young Sheldon declaring children are in the future for Shamy and so we are left with late blooming career woman Penny as the holdout.

     

     

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  6. Yeah, they tend to write the women as controlling and looking down at the men who are supposed to feel blessed for having them. Not always, there are nice, fun dynamics at times and I think Penny is better than Bernadette and Leonard ultimately "gives back" more than Howard, but it is an unfortunate tendency. I think this is where this show shows its age, sure there are always examples to this and other forms of writing, but I have a feeling this is more characteristic of a late-2000s sitcom than a late-2010s one.


    Well, the writers did start this show in the late 2000s! But it’s more late 90s a la Peg Bundy from Married with Children( with a lot more positive in Penny and Bernie’s case- she was rarely happy with Al!)


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  7. I know it's just me but are tptb changing Penny into a taller Bernadette

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    Bernadette is the writers’ template for BBT wife. Penny just starting to behave like the role model she has been with. By Season 14, Amy would have been the same


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  8. One of the big problems with 12×03 is the same one with 08×24 (boat kiss fiasco). Just like the boat kiss, Penny's doubts that supposedly perceded her decision not to have kids wete nonexistent until the episode where they were revealed. She could not tell Leonard before because they didn't exist, the writers invented them when they wrote 12×03, just like Leonard could not tell her about the boat kiss prior to 08×24 because the writers invented it when they wrote 08×24.

     

    True. She’s never been in a hurry to have kids but she’s never NOT wanted them. In the few instances babies came up there was never a facial expression of hiding her true feelings which Kaley has projected in Penny’s moments of hiding something, which was evident in 1203 before she finally said those words for the first time. Just like Leonard never had a moment of guilt in his eyes over the boat kiss for 48 episodes until that look appeared in that car on the way to Vegas.

     

    One thing was always clear in the Lenny relationship. They could only hold back on what they were truly feeling for an episode before they relented and told each other ( with the one exception being that Penny never told Leonard how close to ending it again she was at the start of Season 6). Season 6-8 were full of episodes where doubts and fears were expressed about their relationships. The writers had ample opportunities during these seasons to bring in a baby future talk because Lenny actually had conversations ON screen in those days. The writers never considered it an option until this season.

     

     

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  9. She wore that 3 times even - I'm impressed! LOL


    And over a 6 year period! Who knew Penny kept her clothes for that long? Maybe I’ll send her my 1994 Shaq Oneal sweater I’ve been wearing for 25 years!


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  10. Why are some people against everyone winning. I do not see the fairness in expecting Leonard to have his life long dream of having kids but Sheldon should not get his lifelong dream of getting the Nobel? 
    Perhaps Leonard could be happy that he married his dream girl but no kids.  I would find that interesting. But better yet, why not let everyone win...including Sheldon as well as Leonard, Raj, Howard and Penny. 


    Not against everyone winning. Not against Shamy winning if Lenny don’t. As I said earlier, I like everyone and want them to end happy. Was replying to skulls comment about Sheldon not winning Nobel. I would find his reaction to not winning more INTERESTING than winning to see how the writers would craft that story. But not against him getting Nobel, unrealistic though it may be in such a short time.


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  11. That maybe one plot. But their well probably be several other plots through out the episode. I suspect Penny well give birth in the penultimate episode. Just a sense. And the Series Final can be about Shamy receiving the Nobel prize. Be refreshing if Sheldon doesen't win at the end of the series. But well see. 


    Would be interesting if the writers go with Shamy didn’t win the Nobel and Sheldon has an epiphany about how what he has gained over the last 12 years is better than a Nobel. They have gone down the schmaltzy route with him before and he doesn’t really have major wins in his career as much as some think the writers give him everything.

    He was embarrassed with the Arctic experiment.
    He failed with his theory presented to Hawking
    He failed with the element
    He got nowhere with dark matter
    The gyroscope didn’t go all the way

    Yes they could end all that with his ultimate prize of the Nobel OR they could stick to the script of never quite getting there as the scientist but growing as a human because of Lenny and Amy.

    Who knows where they’re going but I’d find that more interesting than the predictable Nobel glory.


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  12. I don't think we would have got all the way to Season 12 either without Mayim and Melissa's additions.  I clearly like some characters on this show way more than others, but I do value the contributions made by all 7 of them.

    Agree. Howard would have ended up like Raj, with no story to tell, without Bernie. Married longer to Bernie than being Rajs significant other

    And Sheldon needed someone other than Lenny to feed off and do his thing.


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  13. Unlike many here, I like ALL the characters. I didn’t start watching from the beginning - the first episode I saw was Recombination. which drew me in through Lenny mainly because they were the focus of the episode but I found the others instantly relatable as well. I quickly binged watched the first 5 seasons ( really quickly!) and grew to love the original 5, flaws and all, enjoying their relationships and the good and bad interactions they had. I can easily suspend disbelief in search of escapist humour so didn’t overanalyse Sheldon’s mistreatment of others, Howard’s creepiness, etc. I just grew to love the show through everyone in it.

    It’s why I want Season 12 to end positively for everyone, not just my favourites. I won’t begrudge Shamy and the Nobel. I want Raj to be happy. And if Lenny don’t get the idealised ending Lennies want I will still cheer for the happy endings for the others. And if Lenny end up with A happy ending, even if it’s not the one I want for them, I’ll be content. It’s only if they don’t, that I’ll be upset........but I’ll still be hoping for the others. That’s me. I know not everyone’s not thinking that way.


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    But would the show lasted without him?  I don't think so. 


    No, but I don’t think it’s a one man effort. Don’t think 12 seasons of a Sheldon soliloquy would’ve happened either. If you listen to Jim, Johnny and Kaley in that interview they just did, it’s clear to them, the people that matter, how much each of them meant to the show’s longevity. I don’t think it needs to be a competition about who’s the most important. They all are. But that won’t stop fans having favourites different to others.


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  14. Each character’s fans will side with them even in the face of damning evidence - its human nature to do so, which is so evident in today’s political climate ( both sides; not trying to open that can of worms). I’ve criticised and supported all of them over the years depending on how the plot device has portrayed them. My own forum signature points out that I have a bit of all the boys in me, mostly the endearing stuff but also some of the negative, albeit not as amplified as a sitcom requires, so as someone who identifies with their traits ( I also have a Penny, Bernie and Amy in my family as well), I’ll recognise the good and the bad.

     

     

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  15. Or Zac and Marisa actors aren’t available this week. I don’t know. Clutching at straws I think. Makes no sense in a narrative to drop a bombshell and then ignore it like the characters wouldn’t even acknowledge the decision has or hasn’t been made in a conversation. I know the writers like to not plan too far ahead as they say but Assymetry Nobel plot is getting plenty of continuation. Grr!

     

    EDIT:,Thanks kenan for the report!

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  16. Some may be happy, but I think many may not. Even Radloff, whose almost always so supportive of the show and knows the writers and actors, published a very negative review.

    Will be interesting if the react to Radloffs scathing response. Won’t care about us but maybe her review, whether you agree with her or not, with more public readership than a bunch of sad Lenny shippers, might make them blink as with the wedding redo. Still doesn’t make it right now, though.


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  17. I’m not supporting either Team Leonard or Team Penny. There is nothing positive in this story to support. It just paints them as a dysfunctional married couple who make decisions that hurt the other but instead of talking the pros and cons out ( well, we don’t see it happen but always hear about the fight through conversations with a third party - here’s a thought; instead of having a scene with Penny or Leonard telling their friends about the fight they had, how about using that screen time to show their discussion.) they both meekly cave just to avoid conflict and real compromised solutions. I don’t see any winners in this one.

    Man, I need school holidays to finish so I can get back to work and be the rational one amongst the emotional nutcases.


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