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  1. Oh yes I'd forgotten it was a personal fellowship! Heh, well done, show, you've gotten this one right. Even a stopped clock, etcetera....
  2. Hmmmmm. Well, I wasn't expecting to like this episode, and I didn't. Howardette (sans Stuart) were the best parts by a country mile. I liked that the baby plot was about all three caregivers' separation anxiety rather than just Bernie's (although if I never see Stuart again, it'll be too soon). Damn Treasure Simon Helberg so precisely straddles the line between mischievous and sweet, and I have to admit I cackled at Bernadette's 'LOOK AT YOUR MOTHER!' Promptly followed by all the babies wailing. I like that Footsteps on the Moon is FwF's official band now. I am looking forward to the turf war between them and Amy with her harp. Otherwise, it was just sort of....pointless, and random, and repetitive, and held together with a sneeze. Oy with the Bert call-in to Fun with Flags. Oy with the Bert plot generally. Show, explain to me why you think that we're agog to know what is going on with Bert's love-life. Explain also why you think we're gagging to see a repeat of a gold-digger plot with not even a tertiary character. Explain why you think that Bert is a millionaire now, as opposed to receiving an academic grant that he can't just use to buy his totty golden potties or whatever. Explain also why you think it's so fucking funny for Amy to treat Sheldon like a child (although thank heavens that the show allows the blunt, inappropriate fellow to have called a social situation aright). Bof. It's not as wretched as last season's viewing party episode, but it's still utterly disposable.
  3. my apologies, Judith, but I can't find JohnPhD's original post and the software seems to misattribute your quotation of his post to you. you know, I rather enjoy the poetry of 'like a big ugly cloud cutting off the sunshine'. If you ARE going to take it as a personal affront that a female character does not pleasure your gaze, you may as well imbue your entitlement and chauvinism with a touch of lyricism. I approve. penny is allowed to shag any consenting adult she pleases and in any combination she pleases.
  4. Lucky nobody's asking you to date either one, then.... But seriously, the show actually has made a case for all its couples, including Lenny - if the show would get the hell out of its own way. Lenny actually do have points of similarity and points where they are well-matched (their shared deadpan snark, as I have mentioned, is a pretty big one - it's no small thing to have a shared sense of humour). It's just that the show wants to keep using their 'nerd got hot girl hur hur' jokes while, I don't know, they're still in the warranty period or something.
  5. The show needs to shit or get off the pot with Lenny, honestly. All these 'nerd got the hot chick hur hur' 'jokes' are, I think, the showrunners basically saying 'yeah, this is basically the entire point of this couple to us'. Which is horrifying if you like either Leonard or penny, to say nothing of those who like the couple. And the constant 'hey, how come the nerd got the hot girl?' 'jokes' are also the showrunners' way of saying 'we have forgotten, tee hee! But if we hang a lantern on the situation then maybe that's enough!' And no, show. No it is not enough. So you don't know why these two are together, show? Break them up. You don't want to do that? SHOW us why they should be together instead of randomly pulling out someone like Stuart telling us why they are awesome for each other, interspersed with scenes from Men Are From Mars, Women Are From Venus or whatever. for what it is worth, I actually think Lenny have quite a lot in common when the show gets out of their way. The chief thing they have in common is deadpan wit. Which is why I have always been gentler on the kitchen island sequences than many if my Lenny friends, because the kitchen island lets them be snarky and banter-y and do observational comedy on their weirdo friends. Yes, they have different approaches to money and planning, and those are serious things to negotiate (so do that properly, dammit). But it is BS to keep telling me they have nothing in common when, at the very least, they have been friends for a very long time. So find another way to write this couple, and find another gag than 'hur hur so different and so unenthused by each other but still together because apparently this is the 1950s'.
  6. I enjoyed seasons 2 to 5 a lot. The show was settling into a nice ensemble groove, the shenny friendship had a great deal of its bromantic spark, and in seasons four and five we had the blossoming of pamydette - which, with very few exceptions, is one of my favourite things about the show. Season six has some terrific things and season eight has some of my very favourite episodes of the show (champagne reflection and misinterpretation agitation) but overall seasons six through nine have struggled balancing ensemble comedy with relationship drama. I actually think season ten has done a decent job handling more 'grown-up' dilemmas like pregnancy and career, and even its back half hasn't been as dire as season nine's (so far). Who knows what wheel spinning the two additional seasons will bring but I personally have thought this season has been by and large an improvement on the recent past.
  7. That was quite charming! Not a classic, per se, but lacking in atrocity and with some definitely lovely moments. Howardette were the standouts for me. I have been really pleasantly surprised with how sympathetically the show has treated Bernie's pregnancy and attempts to juggle career and motherhood, and Rauch and Helberg have such lovely tender chemistry in those scenes. I liked the tag scene for the continuity touch of Amy's linguistic prowess (witness her made-up languages and her overpronounced Spanish), as well as Sheldon's pride in said prowess. The laundry scene with Shenny also had flickers of the sparring chemistry of yore. All in all, a solid outing.
  8. The actual numbers may interest some of us. Sheldon's dodgy maths may interest others. But I think we can all agree that Penny could have had sex with as many consenting adults as she wanted while she was unattached, and it would be nobody's business but her own.
  9. I would agree that the show takes the default position that Amy doesn't need to change. Not because the show thinks Amy is a paragon, but because it isn't as interested in her as it is in Sheldon. And because the show is more interested in Sheldon, he gets the lion's share of 'learning and growing' arcs.* It's frustrating for anyone who would quite like to see someone else get stories, but what will you. * and also because I do think that the writers sometimes have a disappointingly hackneyed and pedestrian idea of what 'adulthood' and 'growth' look like, and so a perfectly valid life choice has to be explained or scolded away. Or the writers cheat by conflating said valid life choice with a randomly nasty method of expressing it.
  10. plus, there are major awards that are NOT the Nobel. Major scientists who did not win the Nobel. Oppenheimer, I believe? Teller, for another? this feels like one of the 'dumbed down' elements. Like the showrunners assume that their audience only knows about the Nobel (and I guess the MacArthur?) and so the sum and substance of scientific accomplishment is 'The Nobel'. Gods know the show is not a bastion of accuracy when it comes to tenure and the careers of researchers....
  11. Oh God. Oh God, I hadn't even thought of that. And then maybe they get married on her birthday, so you know - coitus once a year, tee hee! The horror. The horror.
  12. My best guess (which is a very bad guess) is that the finale won't have a lot to do with Shamy. The showrunners have two more seasons and plenty of mileage to get out of that proposal, if it were to happen. And I am on record as being one of the nutters who would be perfectly happy if the Shamy were to just get married offscreen in between flag conventions, partnered harpsichord singalongs and their new scientific breakthrough. That said, the show's actually been really good about Shamy's milestones, so I'm sure the proposal itself will be charming and I'll enjoy it a lot. Can't answer for the buildup or aftermath, though....
  13. that is because the showrunners are super gross and reactionary about Penny's sexuality. We are told that she is or was promiscuous but in fact we have only seen dates (or drunken fooling around) with very few dudes (five? Six?) over the show's ten year run. And she married one of those dudes (intentionally at least). Whereas we are meant to believe that Leonard is some sort of sadsack, but we SEE him have quite a few dates and are definitely told that they end in sex a lot of the time. Not to mention contemplating cheating (and actually cheating) on two of his past girlfriends. but yeah, sure, PENNY'S chastity/purity is the one the show wants to examine. Bah humbug.
  14. I'd be chary of saying that anyone has 'made' anyone else anything, whether 'ordinary' or 'human' or anything of that nature. Are Sheldon and Amy* more 'ordinary' now because they're in a relationship? Yes, in the dictionary sense of being less unusual. Because, statistically, openly happy celibates are not as common as people claiming to look for sex and/or a romantic relationship. But also - I mean, let's not ascribe freakish magical powers to cheerful celibacy here. Let's imagine that Sheldon and Amy were people with some sort of rare physical feature: let's say central heterochromia. Would they be ordinary? No, they'd be highly unusual. But so what? Unless we're living in the Middle Ages, we don't think people with unusual eyes are magic, do we? To be fair, the show itself tended to fall into the trap of fetishising Sheldon's virginity (ew) and exhibiting slack-jawed fascination with his 'deal'. But that's the showrunners being weird about sex and love. We don't have to be the same way, right? Surely we all know people who just aren't all that interested in love or relationships. They're not necessarily better/worse/dumber/smarter/subhumaner/superhumaner/whatever than anyone else. So I can understand anyone who kinda liked that there were two people who just weren't bothered about sex and love. But let's not reduce humanity to sex and romantic love, hmmmm? As in: you can be human without having sex or love, and not wanting them doesn't lift you above or below humanity. *Hey, how about we don't forget Amy here? After all, she was the one who changed from being blunter even than Sheldon, and explicitly not being interested in sex, to getting more socialised than he is on many dimensions.
  15. Coitus? I was talking about the cognitive juices. Although, of course, that 'sex once a year' gag should be taken out back and shot, before they make poor Penny give birth to a five-year-old or something to preserve the 'joke'....
  16. oh God, an entire season of wedding planning? Kill me now. Though I sort of think they will spare us that since they haven't milked the other weddings in that way. I would quite like it if Sheldon and Amy were to get into Scientist Rap Battles during their honeymoon to get the - ahem - juices flowing. Then come back looking glowing and ecstatic, have the gang say 'some honeymoon, eh?', and for the two to say 'you bet! Cover of Nature, baby!'
  17. I understand why Lennies would hate this episode. I am sympathetic, I am. BUT. I will say that Johnny Galecki's playing of Leonard's confusion at the ongoing soap opera of Penny's work situation had me cracking up. He does that so very, very well. I also wish they'd left in the bookstore scene, for two reasons: one, it would have picked up on Leonard's remark to Howard and Bernie that, in effect, Penny was stealing Raj from him; and two, it would have evened out the score a little. If the show is really going with a 'Leonard and Penny have nothing in common' storyline, then it would be funnier and fresher to keep the angle where Leonard and Penny individually have more in common with a third party than they do with each other. And for heaven's sake, Leonard and Raj have been friends for a long time and it is established that they have common interests. Why not keep the story? As it is, I agree with @Chrismo that the storyline felt unfinished. As to Raj and Penny, I actually thought they were charming together. And look, Raj's happy joining in with pampering and gossip and shopping is nothing new. It makes sense that he'd enjoy these things. And - thank heavens - the show adamantly steered clear of any sexual jealousy on Leonard's part. He just felt left out, as he would if a female friend was visiting and his wife was completely wrapped up in activities in which he had no interest. The only problem is that there was no satisfactory resolution where - I don't know - Raj was hiding out from Penny and he and Leonard hung out, or Leonard and Penny found a thing they liked, or they decided to timeshare Raj, or something.
  18. Okay, I've only seen a few clips, so I might come in here to babble excitedly some more at a later date, but: Ahem. EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (draws breath) EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well, that was embarrassing. How about we try for actual words now? EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Okay, maybe third time's the charm. You guys have basically hit off all the things I loved about this episode. How effortlessly in sync they are, how casually loving, that tag scene that seriously gives me life, with its echoes of Herb Garden and Cohabitation Experimentation mixed in with the knowing warm sexiness of the 'Thanks, babe' and Sheldon looming over his little lady after dealing and receiving sick burns. So I'll single out one line: 'We're on the same team, but we are in competition'. Because I really think it encapsulates everything that I fell in love with about this couple in the beginning, and everything that this season has nailed about them. They're on the same team, but they're their own people. They're massive show-offs, but in each other they've found the one audience member who completely gets them. And this episode, like many of this show's best, also kinda gets out of its own way and lets you rediscover the couple. Like with Veracity Elasticity, where the tag scene let you enjoy how completely right these two are for each other, without needing to spell it out for you. Happy sigh. I've slagged off the back half of this season before, and I think we can all admit there's been duff spots, but damn, this episode was delightful.
  19. Heterosexual female briefly fancied hot dumb guy shock horror
  20. Hang on: Is there a Universal Theory of Sex Appeal that I missed? Is 'Sex Appeal' a matter of objective fact and I've just been too wrapped up in myself to notice? some people find Penny, for example, sexy. Perhaps more people find her sexy than they do, say, Bernadette or Amy. Some of these people may be attracted to women sexually (male or female). Some may not be sexually attracted to women, but may have aesthetic opinions and opinions on what constitutes 'sexy'. Some of these criteria may overlap. Some may not. but until you have established an objective measure of 'sexy', it is an impressive piece of presumption to say that anything is or is not sexy objectively. Literally all you can confidently say is 'these people say they find this sexy, or unsexy'. If you have decided to make sex appeal a matter of consensus, that is your prerogative. Still doesn't make it objectively true. The consensus not so long ago was that the earth was flat. Didn't make it true. now, you can say 'the showrunners' intent is for Penny to be seen as sexy' and/or 'the showrunners' intent is for Amy to come across as unsexy'. And there you may have some more wriggle room. But again - doesn't help you to make a declarative statement of objective fact about sex appeal. Because beauty (and sex appeal) are in the eye of the beholder.
  21. Ah, I see. To me, 'plonk' means 'put (unceremoniously)'. And a mustang was a horse before it was a car (silly phone autocorrects to capitalise the 'm'). What I meant was that Penny could take Amy horseback riding to teach her a lesson about fibbing to friends. Of course, you're still absolutely within your rights to call it an aggressive response, even a violent one. Just thought I'd clear up what I meant.
  22. Thanks, @snow*flower, for the information on both episodes! that's a few mysteries cleared up. I hope you had a wonderful time! @Itwasdestined, I'm not going to say I hope you had a wonderful time, because it seems pretty obvious from your TR that you did, and that TBBT had a wonderful time hosting you. You'll forgive me too, I hope, for saying that that your (and MrsIWD's) antics sound way more fun than the episode itself, because said antics sound like a blast. But thank you for the information. As to the TR: the fatal 'f' word is trembling on my lips. Look, I quite like Bert. But I could have sailed happily through life without getting into the guts of his depressing love-life. The saving grace here is, I suppose, that we get a fair amount of group interaction (sans Howardette and - oy - Stuart) while they're dissecting said love-life. My Lenny friends are going to hate the Lenny jabs, I imagine, and I admit that this sounds like one of those episodes where I can't quite figure out why these people hang out together. And yes, not a huge fan of Amy once more being seemingly relegated to policing Sheldon's behaviour, but maybe it'll play out differently? The Howardette plot has this to say for it, I think, which is that the separation anxiety is not painted as an exclusively Mommy thing. That, at least, is good. But I am once more squinting at the show and thinking 'You have barely twenty minutes of running time, and seven characters for whom you need to find stories. And now Stuart, for some reason. Do you really think you can handle guest characters on top of it? Bert and the sloth?'
  23. Late to HipGate, but a few things: a ) heh, 22 degrees is really comically low b ) what I wouldn't have given for Amy to say the 22 degree thing and for Penny to stare narrowly at her and exclaim 'I'VE PLAYED TWISTER WITH YOU, YOU LYING HUSSY! ALL RIGHT, IT IS JUNIOR RODEO ON.' And, like, plonk Amy onto the back of some mettlesome Mustang or something just to teach her not to fib. 'I know you've deceived me, now here's a surprise..... I can see for miles and miles and miles (gotta keep with the Who theme) c ) all that chat and nobody seems to have made a 'hips don't lie' crack? Y'all are better people than I am....
  24. theoretically, you COULD lose Bernie without losing new improved Howard. Why would divorce or even widowerhood automatically reverse seasons of development? Simon Helberg actually did a good job of suggesting that the loving husband and father we see now always existed in potentia beneath the Pick Up Artist Skeeve of yore. similarly, I am really puzzled at the notion that it is That Succubus Amy who has wrought such a disastrous change in Steely Olympian Sheldon. This mythical robotic Sheldon whom you (impersonal 'you') could always enjoy in the show in your (impersonal 'your') mind. And who bears scant resemblance to the emotional, inappropriately-open, blunt creature on, you know, the actual screen. It's not Amy who's changed the guy. It is not the necessity of sustaining a relationship that has made him - what? - not the robot he never actually was? It's not Sheldon's HEART that has changed. It is Sheldon's vocabulary that has been sanded off, perhaps, and the greater quotient of dickishness in his behaviour, maybe. Those are functions of increased laziness in the writing, maybe. The almost inevitable wear and tear and Flanderisation that you (impersonal 'you') observe in long-running sitcoms. and suppose there has been a change. Suppose Sheldon really is more emotional now. Are you arguing that that is because he is in a relationship? Or is it rather that he is in a relationship because the writers fancied making him more emotional? In other words, what if you (impersonal 'you') are mistaking correlation for causation? What if Amy were to be wiped off the show and Sheldon were to remain 'emotional'? You know, the way he was all through that breakup? I suspect that you (personal 'you') would be comforted by the reflection that you (personal 'you') need no longer look on a screen despoiled by Amy. And I would be happy for you (personal 'you') in that case. but shall we stop pretending that one character is the sole lynchpin of another's?
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