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  1. There's been some discussion on the Lenny thread about Penny's career. I think this could involve more of the characters than just Lenny. I suspect that many people who succeed in a wide variety of careers are basically acting the part of someone who knows what they're doing. I once suggested elected office as a possiblity for Penny with her winning personality and acting skills. There's been quite a lot in the news recently about how data-mining and other technologies have been used to influence elections. The guys have lost their Infinite Persistence wossname project. So how about a long-term storyline where for some reason the guys need a friend in some political office - say Mayor of Pasadena? . Penny runs and for a new project the guys use their tech skills to influence voters as has apparently been done IRL. Penny wins. Take it from there. This would require a long-term commitment by the programme makers - it wouldn't do to just drop it and have Penny back as a pharma rep without explanation. And to make room for the storyline TBBT would have to cease to be The Shamy Show.
  2. Amy doesn't have the patience of a saint. Her patience, which is solely with Sheldon, is that of a beseiger, who is prepared to sit surrounding the target city for years until the defenders are starved or exhausted into surrender. You may see her human doormat act as being "patient and understanding" but what we see is that she wore Sheldon's defences down. (I wonder why we have the "Leonard wore Penny down" gag so often when it's never mentioned that Amy did actually wear Sheldon down.) It is Penny who has the patience of a saint, both with Sheldon and with Amy. In fact her toleration of Amy's infantile behaviour, selfishness and sly malice has gone past the saintlike to what could be politely called naive or less politely idiotic. I think this is OOC and weakens the character. Bernadette has also shown an OOC degree of patience with Amy.
  3. Lenny

    No. Penny was front and centre in the 200th, as she should be, and Amy was kept in a subsidiary role, as she should be. That won't happen again.
  4. 1024 highlighted something that I think could be done better. In most sitcoms you have to have characters being nosey/ interfering about each others' lives to an extent that wouldn't be acceptable IRL, but sometimes as in this ep it goes too far. The other characters could surely have considered that if Sheldon is mature enough to decide that what he feels for Amy is what normal adults mean by "love", and to live with her, then he's also capable of deciding for himself whether he might prefer a fling (and perhaps more) with a woman with a modicum of sex appeal. It's not relevant what would be right, or what would be "cheating" - I'm just saying that Sheldon should have been left to handle the situation by himself (which as it turned out he did), and the rest missed a good opportunity to mind their own damn business. Surely they can allow Sheldon free will? Incidentally, 1024 changed the past. In 208 The Cooper-Nowitzki theorem, Ramona's interest in Sheldon didn't appear to be sexual (and I assume that was what was intended); but now it appears she must have been all along.
  5. In this ep it was really blatant how the makers deliberately don't give us any Lenny. L & P are Sheldon's best friends, they should have discussed the Ramona sich just the 2 of them (preferably in bed). Best bit IMO was Bernadette's reaction to Penny's saying "Sheldon's sexual appetite". That would also be the appropriate reaction to the words "Amy's sexual appetite" - pity we've never seen a couple of the guys react like that to those words. When Ramona kissed Sheldon, I think we can take that as a "yes" to his question. Which, of course, S had no idea was inviting that response, oh no. Remember when Amy pointed out that Indiana Jones's intervention had no effect on the outcome of Raiders of the lost Ark? Well, the other characters' intervention had no effect on the outcome of Ramona's hitting on Sheldon, so they might just as well have treated S like a grown-up and minded their own business.
  6. Yes, and it would have been the best line in the episode. Now that you've suggested it, Joyceraye, it's clear the writers should have thought of it. They're not trying hard enough.
  7. Lenny

    I don't think it's as bad as that on the discussion thread by any means, but now you've got me curious: just what did you say in your comments that got hidden (and how did you say it)?
  8. The heroine doesn't have to be perfect - just the female character whose romantic life is most significant. Surely Bridget Jones is the "heroine" of BJ's Diary? No, L & P haven't been romantic much this season - that's my complaint. There was an episode where Amy had flu, and Sheldon had to look after her. I can't remember which it was or identify it. When Amy was better she didn't tell Sheldon because she was getting her jollies from his helping her in the bath and rubbing her chest with vapor rub. Sheldon found out she was faking, but never knew it was for the sexual thrills - A just told him "it's been so nice having you look after me". Bernadette knew A was exploiting innocent S for sexual gratification but never told anyone else apparently. There's a lot of info about Amy that hasn't been shared.
  9. Not sure that it is only logical. Sheldon was a unique comic creation, and IMO being in love doesn't fit well into his character. I suspect the writers have made his relationship central to his character because they couldn't think of anything better.
  10. Debate Zone

    I think that was fair enough: Sheldon is a primary character and Amy's just his appendage. What I thought was insulting was how much time it was given cf Lenny's marriage. And there was really no need to show Amy's improbable dating while split up..
  11. I thought it was more a case of "more fool Leonard".
  12. Lenny

    Yes, this seems a nice home for disgruntled Lennies (and are there any other kind these days?). BUT let's not just talk to each other, but whenever possible put our thoughts out there on the Discussion thread, where we can have full and frank exchanges, and occasionally invigorating verbal punch-ups, with those who don't agree with us. Maybe even persuade one or two. At least keep the Lenny flag flying in the main thread.
  13. You may be right about what the writers feel, but if so I think that they don't know what they're doing. It may be in a sense an ensemble, but that doesn't mean that either characters or actors or relationships between characters are interchangeable. The couples all had different properties and functions. Penny and Leonard were the romantic couple, Penny was the romantic heroine, KC was the unchallenged leading lady. Bernadette and Howard were the domestic couple. Their story was first about sleazy Howard redeemed by the Love of a Good Woman, then about their homemaking and parenthood. That's why it would be pointless to also have P&L get a house of their own - that's been covered. Amy and Sheldon were a parody of a couple, Sheldon with no sex drive and Amy with no sex appeal or charm. More of a running gag - Amy always trying to enveigle Sheldon into being more "couply", Sheldon always escaping Amy's clutches. But at some point in the last few seasons the show's creators took the inexplicable - and IMO artistically disastrous - decision to sideline Lenny and promote Shamy to romantic couple. Further, Shamy are getting more screen time than Lenny ever did - in 1023 it seemed there was hardly a minute where the screen was free of Amy. And it doesn't work. MB was hired to play the obnoxious, plain, awkward woman who became more or less Sheldon's stalker. Now she's put in the role of romantic heroine, and she just can't do it. Lenny was always a joy to watch, including when they weren't actually a couple, because of the innumerable subtle and authentic ways in which KC showed Penny's feelings for Leonard (and JG did a great job too, of course; and in those golden days the writers gave them great lines). Now when Amy is supposed to show her "love" for Sheldon it's either mawkish and embarrassing or rather sickening or just horrible; and always boring. It really should have been obvious to the writers that the idea that this zero-chemistry couple could take the place of Lenny in the structure of the show was absurd.
  14. The "HR Woman" was called Mrs Davis, and was quite a significant character, altho' she only appeared in 4 episodes. Pity we don't see her any more. I think she'd be more fun than Bert, for example.
  15. So for Molaro only the newer fans supposedly brought in by Shamy count. He's shown innumerable times that he doesn't care how betrayed the original fans for whom Leonard and Penny are the romantic couple they care about may feel. This really is an outrageous thing for M to say if you think about it. I know nothing about this Molaro apart from what I've read on this forum, but I kind of intensely dislike him.