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  1. 12 minutes ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

    I expect to get rotten tomatoes tossed at me, even in a dark Lenny thread, but I do think I have an answer for this. The showrunners and writers probably never thought of the show as being about Penny and Leonard. They seem to have written it is as a couple of quirky guys and their friends who were to react and be reacted to by a neighbor and something to joke about. When some of the fan base saw it differently, more seriously,  I suspect they were puzzled at first, then somewhat annoyed. I do not think they were pleased by some of their fans seeing it as only being about Lenny at all. I just don't. If anyone here does they have more faith in these writers than I do. They let them marry, but once that was done, I think they they thought they had placated that faction of fans and were done with Lenny for the most part. The kids story is the last assertion they can make that they are writing and running this show, not a segment of fans. I know that sounds harsh, but look at the evidence. Just look at it.  They've had a couple of writers who were good at writing Lenny but I don't think that's what they were hired for. I've had this feeling all along with is why I couldn't just devote myself to these two characters and watch for them alone. They have been too many lines and scenes along the way that seemed to me to show the writers belittling Lenny. How else can some of these things like no kids, the boat kiss, some of the lines designed to make her look dumb, guys at the Pop Con  sitting at Lenard's feet while he tells them how he wore Penny down, be explained?

    This is one of the reasons I do not see a Lenny spinoff coming. That and the fact that I really think Johnny agrees deep down with Jim that it's time to move on and do their own things.

    Well, that's actually the first plausible explanation I've seen. I sometimes wonder if it's not just the Lenny fans the showrunners and writers resent. Maybe KC's depth of acting, charisma and sheer projected sex appeal just made Lenny the outstanding long story arc really against the showrunners and writers' will, and that's why they like to denigrate Penny and promote the no-charisma, no-sex appeal (and no inner life) Amy over her.

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  2. 5 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

    I think it’s beyond believability that if Leonard still worked at Cal Tech that Lenny wouldn’t see all the other characters. All the characters on TBBT are too involved in each other’s lives. 

    I'd like to see a Lenny spinoff, but only if they move to a new and different place with a somewhat new way of life to get used to. And above all no more Shamy in the show.

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  3. 11 hours ago, joyceraye said:

    I think the men all tolerate one another based on what they had in common when they were bachelors together with common interests in games,comic books and sci-fi. Bernadette and Amy needed a cool friend like Penny and Penny needed them as an entree into the men's world. They've had little choice but to tolerate Amy anyway since it was obvious Sheldon wasn't getting rid of her.

    I think what you say about men is quite right. Groups based on a common interest tend to be totally accepting of anyone who shares that interest, regardless of personality or any other factors. Remember the ep where A got S to go on a "romantic" trip with B & H because it was on a heritage train (thru the Ca wine country). Sheldon's behaviour in going off with the train buff was generally regarded as bad behaviour, but I thought it was rather touching: the highly intelligent physicist bonding with the brain-damaged guy thru a shared love of trains. That, incidentally, is why A's loneliness before she met the group is unrealistic: she could surely have found a group of Chaucer enthusiasts where her ability to recite The Miller's Tale in the original would have guaranteed she'd be welcome regardless of anything else about her.

    I don't agree with the second part, about the women. In fact P & B were friends (thru the CF) before A showed up. Penny was already friends with the men before she met either B or A. And I really disliked the assumption that P & B had to accept A simply and solely because her (sort of) SO was a friend of their SOs.

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  4. On 2/8/2019 at 10:01 PM, Die Zimtzicke said:

    I just noticed this. Personally I didn't like her dressing like that to sabotage him when they should have just talked it out. I know they were going for funny, but it wasn't funny to me. It was cringe worthy to me. As for her acting, as far as I'm concerned she's a perfectly adequate television sitcom actress, not Katharine Hepburn.

    Well, everyone is entitled to their opinion, and in my opinion this is a completely ridiculous opinion. KC has real star quality that lights up every scene she's in. Not Katherine Hepburn, more like Goldie Hawn. Comic/ light romantic. I've thought for several seasons that TBBT should have ended and KC should have been starring in films. Penny has perhaps the greatest depth of any character. Just watch the scene where L tells P that he can't see her any more because it upsets Priya: KC puts so much into "Goodbye, Leonard". The Lenny love story is the only sitcom romance I've ever cared about. It wasn't what I was looking for when I started watching TBBT but KC's performance was compelling. I probably wouldn't still be watching, and certainly wouldn't have bothered to join this forumif it weren't for Lenny.

    One for whom "perfectly adequate sitcom actress" is a perfectly adequate assessment is MB. Obviously a first-class supporting actor with the skills of delivery, timing and movement to be expected, but nothing more. No charisma, no depth of characterisation. She was fine as long as Amy and Sheldon's relationship was a joke - it was sometimes very funny - but since the writers tried to turn into a real relationship MB has utterly failed as a romantic heroine - which is very different from the role she was hired for.  I've never believed in Amy as a person, and perhaps that's just as well. If Amy were a "real" character like Penny is, her backstory of childhood loneliness would be heartbreaking; as it is it's just absurd.

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  5. On 2/10/2019 at 7:36 AM, djsurrey said:

    One thing L&P have going for them is a very high tolerance for difficult people. It is like their super power. They have willingly put up with Sheldon after all.  Few would/could.

    But Sheldon has been a good friend to both sometimes and is in a strange way loveable. What strikes me as unrealistic is how they tolerate Amy, who is totally unrewarding. This is particularly true of Penny, and of course Bernadette also tolerates A. This goes beyond admirable tolerance IMO and makes P & B look like idiots in that respect. And then B & H tolerate Raj almost unconditionally. So we have 4 tolerators and 3 toleratees.

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  6. 4 hours ago, Mario D. said:

    Wonder if the ratings for this episode will be the highest one of the season. So far the highest rated episode was  ep. 12 Propagation Proposition when Zack and Marissa ask Leonard to donate his sperm for them. It garnered an 18.010m viewers. I suspect this episode with its much anticipated Leonard decision might surpass that figure. And I am pretty sure many male viewers will tune in just to see Penny in her lingerie.  But I think this might show that a Penny and Leonard plotline outweighs a Shamy plotline in viewership

    Well it certainly deserves to. So why don't the programme makers increase quality AND viewership by More P&L Less A&S.

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  7. On 2/3/2019 at 2:10 AM, chucky said:

    She really likes her horsey kisses!

    Something I've wondered about:  some seasons ago in the ep with the Raj or Cinnamon game, Emily complained that Raj's kiss had left a dog hair in her mouth (from his kissing Cinnamon). Did the rest of the cast perhaps look at KC at that point in the read-thru?

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  8. On 11/23/2018 at 4:07 PM, Spaced_up said:


    Like... Leonard wakes up back in 2009 after he's just met Penny and the whole 9 years have to be relived, on an eternal loop. 

    Personally, I would love a real twist...!



    How about this for a twist on your suggestion: We go back to when L met P, then a bit later P tells L that her screenplay (about a girl from Lincoln, Nebraska trying to make it in Hollywood) has been taken up as a pilot for a TV series - to be called "The Big Bang Theory"?

  9. I suspect we haven't seen the worst-ever episode yet. But if so it will be a Shamy-centric ep, and so must the worst so far be. I mean after the writers began trying to make S & A a romantic couple - they were funny as long as S kept A frustrated. (But having said that, my most hated single scene is Amy dressing as a schoolgirl to try to seduce innocent Sheldon - really disgusting). Hard to pick an overall anti-favourite, but the Shamy wedding 11.24 is a runner because it also introduced the ludicrous "Super Asymmetry" storyline. The only redemming feature was Penny keeping the guests in order.

    I also particularly hated the ep in which Sheldon created a relationship agreement for L & P at L's request.

    This is a pretty hotly-contested title, IMO.

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  10. On 2/1/2019 at 1:48 PM, HeWolf said:

    Bath Gift Item Hypothesis.

    Yes, Penny and Sheldon always had great chemistry, and bexcause of Sheldon's usual hostile or disdainful manner his occasional shows of affection to P were very effective. But for S & P eps maybe the Adhesive Duck Deficiency (where Penny fell in the shower and Sheldon drove her to the ER) was even better.

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  11. 23 hours ago, Mario D. said:

    For me  4x24 "Roommate Transmogrification"  which almost everyone disliked even the cast and 10x19 "Collaboration Fluctuation"  when Penny and Raj bond when he begins living with them and Leonard feels like a third wheel in his own marriage. Just was so OOC for Penny

    And  the events of 4.24 made Raj being allowed to live with Lenny in 10.19 completely wrong.

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  12. We were discussing earlier whether Penny should be shown pregnant, or wanting a child, but what I really want to see is Lenny's communication problems resolved. Altho they are by far the most believable loving couple there still seems to be something constraining them from sharing their deepest feelings. I would like the main long story for the remaining eps be the Hofstadters going all the way emotionally. KC and JG are, I believe, capable of that depth of acting.

    And, dear Sitcom Fairy, I wish the last ep of all should be Penny's birthday.

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  13. 11 hours ago, Shelldon said:

    Know what I find funny? The last non-wedding related milestones for characters were 4 or 5 years ago

    If Season 8, Season 9, Season 10, or Season 11 were called the final season a lot of the bad episodes in those seasons would not have been so overlooked 

    Season 12 is really no lamer by comparison, but if there's one thing I wish Jim had done it was say back in April 2018 that he was done after the 11.24 taping. He must've been on a high from how fun that was and didn't want to spoil the mood. (My personal theory is also that Hawking's passing acted to Jim as a sign from the universe that this stage of his life was kaput.) 

    Do you mean the whole series should have ended with the Shamy wedding? That would have been a grotesque insult not only to the long-term fans but to the actors who created the show from the first, apart from JP - I mean KC and JG in particular.

    And the Shamy wedding wasn't necessarily a high for JP - maybe he got fed up with the lines he was being given for lovey-dovey Shamy.

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  14. On 1/29/2019 at 2:44 AM, SRAM said:

     Penny’s wants are more important than Leonard’s in their relationship. 

    I don't think that's the way to look at it. They shouldn't be competing to get their way. Marriaqge is not a zero-sum game. Leonard should concentrate on making Penny happy. Then Penny will undoubtedly make Leonard happy. When she's happy and her anxieties have been cleared she will eventually want children with Leonard. Don't try to force her.

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  15. 3 hours ago, Itwasdestined said:

     e.g Penny is such a caring nurturing woman who loves her friends ( but she’s a alcoholic dumb blonde who slept around and bullied the uncool kids at school).

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    I don't think Penny's dumb, and she's not an alcoholic. Liking a drink or 3 is not the same thing at all. I would like to see Leonard share her interests a bit more by taking an interest in wine (there was no follow-up to the tasting episode). If Penny drinks Californian Sauvignon Blanc, maybe he could bring home a top New Zealand SB to try. It's unrealistic that when P & L drink wine together they never say anything about it, as tho it was just generic "wine".

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  16. On 1/28/2019 at 9:45 PM, hokie3457 said:

    Sort of "pie in the sky" dreaming here, but "what if"......Penny has been trying to get pregnant for some time without telling Leonard---she knows he wants children. They have not been successful (obviously).  She has some tests done on herself (all this again, without telling L) and discovers she is fine.  If there is a problem, it lies with Leonard.  She doesn't want him to try to be a donor for Zack and Marissa, as he will learn that he is unable to....

    So far-fetched, I know (and you all don't know how much I privately rail against some of the fan fictioney things in different areas of the Forum I read and this is definitely that).  Just trying to throw Mrs. Hofstadter a little love as she has had it a bit rough.....again, "what if"?

    Good idea. And how about Penny idiotically tells Amy about the problem, and Amy tells Sheldon. Then when P, L S & A are all present Sheldon gallantly offers to oblige. I think this would be classic Sheldon.

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  17. On 1/28/2019 at 9:12 PM, bfm said:

    Now when I watch the episode I will feel like people who bet on sports games probably feel haha waiting to see if I were right.

    Interesting idea. I usually only bet on classic horseraces,  elections and TV talent contests (or I used to). Is it possible, I wonder, to bet on plot twists in TV serials?

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  18. 41 minutes ago, MsGreentea said:

    Funny I assume she meant she wondered if she got so drunk she got up on a table andwhipped some (not all) of her own clothes off while having a crazy good time ala any of many reality shows, certainly not that she wanted to be attacked.  And yes I have heard about frats and animal house.  I also thought the comment about the frat house was way more at the expense of frat houses than Amy.  But I agree times have changed.  

    The Stanford Rape Case ( People of the State of California v. Brock Allen Turner ) was fairly recent when thaqt episode was first shown.

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  19. 15 hours ago, MTBigBangTheoryFan said:

    To be fai, 18 years old were more "mature" in the 1960s then  they are now.  Maybe we should change it to 21 again 

    I don't think this is true as a generalisation. I know some 18-year-olds now who are more mature than many were in the 60s. I've also encountered 30-year-olds who are less mature than most 18-year-olds.

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  20. 8 hours ago, Sah said:

    Disagree. She has done plenty of things to be ashamed of...Raj is just one example of many.

    Can't you distinguish between the CHARACTER Penny and the ACTRESS KC? In the scene I referred to Amy played by MB COMPLAINED that she was so unattractive that she DIDN'T GET RAPED when she passede out at a frat party. I suspect some viewers just didn't believe what they were hearing and and have erased it from memory.The actress, writers and director/showrunner should all be ashamed. It could have been scripted by Brock Turner's lawyer.

    19 hours ago, chucky said:

    I don't think she'd make a good role model/ She was almost as obnoxious and condescending as Sheldon!

    The reason I think she'd make a good role model is her bracing attitude towards Sheldon. That's the way to talk to someone like S.  Contrast Amy's human doormat behaviour towards S. And the way Lesley used men for sex was completely open and honest. Again, contrast the way Amy tried to trick the innocent Sheldon into physical intimacy, eg the fake flu episode. I dare say IRL many guys would find someone like Lesley disconcerting, but she's for herself, not for their benefit.

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  21. 13 hours ago, Carlos said:

     It is her body but his sperm, if we're talking on these terms. I think it is both their decision. Of course if Penny doesn't want to have kids, that forces Leonard's hand, I understand.

    You choose your words well, sir.

    11 minutes ago, joyceraye said:

    And as promiscuous as Penny in her way. Neither is how most people would  want their girls to grow up. 

    Lesley Winkle saw nothing wrong with having sex when she felt like it and did so without getting emotionally involved. Priya was like that to some extent. The early Penny was well established as someone who wasn't as detached as those 2 and couldn't help getting emotionally involved with some of the unsuitable men she had sex with. But when she fell in love with Leonard she cut out the casual sex even when they were broken up..

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