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This sounds good. Dave or Stephen Hawking could marry them. To be honest, the whole trope of having a friend ordained to marry their friends is being so overused now. I just saw it again in a recent NCIS episode, and I'm over it. If was nice to see everyone officiating for Bernadette and Bernie officiate over Lenny. I'd just like to see something a little different with Shamy, but as every one of the gang are ordained, except Howard, it only makes sense for someone in the gang to do it. Keeps it simple.

Watching the whole Shamy break up and aftermath, especially Amy's remarks to Meemaw in S9 about destroyed me. However, after all the events in S10, I can go back and watch those episodes with appreciation, joy, and humor because I know now everything turned out better than ever for Shamy. Without the breakup, there would be no way to explain Sheldon's evolution into a man so much more willing to expose his feelings and weakness and desire to be molded into what Amy needs for a companion. He needed a wake up call to "shock" himself out of the false reality he had built around himself believing an occasional play date with Amy was all he needed or wanted. His homeostasis needed to be threatened to force him to accept that his controlling tactics were failing him, that he wasn't just depriving Amy of the happiness she deserved, but himself as well by not giving into the relationship. He had to see Amy's value as an intellectual and physical woman admired by other men to truly appreciate what he lost and what she needs. Amy even had a chance to realize what she walked away from, that it was Sheldon she loved and wanted more than idealized romance. We see that in the way they reconciled and that they've happily lived together despite the lack of full physical intimacy. It is more about being with Sheldon than being in bed with Sheldon, although I am relieved they are stepping it up in that department. .... And Sheldon is still clueless, tactless, self-centered, insulting, etc. The difference is that Amy doesn't make excuses for his behavior as a woman blindly in love who thinks she has to put up with it to keep Sheldon from taking off. She is confident enough of his love for her now to stand up for herself and know he will still be there in the morning. She has the self-respect to pick her battles to accept Sheldon for who he is and yet also let him know when he is crossing a line or being unreasonable. Whenever Amy has to rip the Band-Aid off, she soothes him with her own brand of ointment that may sting but heals his wounded pride. Sheldon no longer sees Amy as a doormat but a guide for his continued growth. It is hard to believe he was once a man who limited the amount of time they spent together as a couple. To hear him tell Amy he didn't know how he ever made it without her and that it is a comfort to wake up with her next to him every day made me utterly cry with joy. To hear him actually apologize, take initiative to settle a dispute, and reassure her there are no ulterior motives behind his intentions just brings me delight to no end. I can forgive his treatment of her in earlier seasons because of the impact all this new development is having on my Shamy feels. I enjoyed their argument while working on their project together. Here Sheldon is annoying the crap out of her, and when he even hints they should put their relationship aside for the sake of science, she yells no and calls him a bonehead. I can forgive her now for the things she said to Meemaw. Why? Because her love for Sheldon makes her want to put up with him. Amy is Sheldon's best shot not because no other woman will want him. She is convinced no one will ever understand and love Sheldon the way she can and does. That makes her feel good about herself because she gets him where others don't. I can't help now but admire her and see her for the powerful and influential women she is. While it is okay for her to see Sheldon's weaknesses, she becomes defensive when others poke fun of Sheldon, mostly shown by her eye rolls. Amy is an example of a woman who stands by her man, good and bad. ...and to me that really makes Amy the best gift that Howard and Raj could have ever given Sheldon. Amy wooed Sheldon all on her own, but they were matched by science. Although there was a bit of a necessary intermission, it is nice to see them still working on that project together and hopefully doing so forever.

Or does Lenny know Sheldon has a DL?

Regarding Sheldon's comment to Penny about Lenny needing a marriage counselor, I agree with @Kathy2611 that he was giving his opinion based on a misinterpretation of Leonard's actions as a result of trying to look after the Ramona situation. However, Sheldon saw the rocky start of their marriage. He's witnessed their battles. He has Beverley feeding him theories on the doubtfulness of Lenny's happiness, and Lenny asked him to make an RA which they aren't even holding to. Sheldon only stated what some of us on this forum already feel about Lenny's marriage, so why get mad at him for having the balls to say it? I certainly hope S11 will address the Lenny's issues TPTB have chosen to exploit.

Listen, I will defend Sheldon more than anyone on this forum if I need be. However, I am of the consensus that he has been more of a jerk to everyone on the show more than all the characters combined. One of the reasons I am such a Shamy shipper is because I'm amazed Amy has stuck it out and fallen in love with him inspite of his self-centeredness and insensitivity. I enjoy seeing Sheldon become a better person because of his love for Amy and the sparring that goes on between them all the while. That being said, everyone is a jerk to everyone, but Sheldon should take the award for showing the least amount of consideration and tact of them all. One of the reasons I enjoy the show is because of the friendships that exist and love among all the members of the gang against all odds, without keeping track of all the times they have intentionally or unintentionally hurt reach other. That Sheldon can be as callous as he is and still have friends that will go out of their way to protect him makes me all warm and fuzzy inside. Yes, it is irritating and frustrating to see him do and say the things he does, but everyone's reaction to him is partially what draws me to the show and makes me laugh, get angry, and/or cry. Without Sheldon, or any of the characters, I think I'd get bored with the show.

If one insists on comparing, then it does seem so. However, that does not mean Sheldon is written for the purpose of making Leonard look bad or Leonard is written badly to make Sheldon look good. The writers have simply chosen to write character traits in Leonard and Sheldon they wish to exploit that have nothing to do with one or the other but create a form of sibling rivalry between the Sheldon haters, the Sheldon apologists, and those in the middle of the argument who just want peace and to enjoy the show as it is written and as a whole. JMHO. Obviously, I can't think for the writers.

I watched episode 9.2 tonight. All throughout the episode, Leonard and the others referred to the kiss with Mandy as a drunken make out. Bernie even felt guilty for not telling Penny she has known all along. Even without the interview, it seems obvious Leonard's situation was different from Sheldon's. What Leonard did was as an accident due to the influence of alcohol. He participated in a kiss, something he would not have done sober. Penny considered it cheating and was even shocked Leonard would ever do such a thing to her and then cover it over the two years. While we didn't see the events happen on screen, the dialogue regarding the matter and Leonard's guilty conscience in trying make the situation right is enough to know he felt and was partially responsible for what happened. Sheldon deserves some flack for spending so much time alone with another woman with Amy away, creating the perfect opportunity for temptation to set in or for Ramona to make an advance toward him. Was he wrong? No, but his actions were not wise. Is it wrong for someone to go walk alone in a park? No, but one takes risks in doing so. Whether Sheldon believed his behavior was inappropriate or not does not negate the fact that while he called Leonard out for asking about Ramona's boyfriend status and calling Amy during the night, that he himself was exhibiting the very behavior he was condemning. I cringed, not about the swimming, but because Sheldon accepted Ramona's self invite to his home with Amy not there. Had Amy not Skyped, who knows what shenanigans Ramona would have pulled. Furthermore, even if Sheldon rejected her, where is his defense? She could claim anything with his word against hers. The man is obviously clueless. Sheldon does it again by allowing Ramona to come into the office with the door shut behind her and telling her he enjoys spending time with her while she is obviously trying to woo him over with a homemade office picnic. Sheldon, for the life of him, cannot read what is going on behind her actions. So, he point blank asks. To state his situation was the same as Leonard's by claiming he participated in Ramona's forced thrust in his face because he didn't push her away would not hold up if the evidence were presented for a case to indicate cheating. Let's be realistic here. Sheldon was taken advantage of. Ramona didn't like the reasons Sheldon was providing for why a romantic relationship was not possible, and she thought she could tempt him by kissing him. He clearly was not moved by it. He was paralyzed with shock and stepped away from the situation. Life is not fair. People make mistakes. Others are in the wrong place at the wrong time. Some are hard luck cases while others seem to always get the benefit of the doubt and always come out ahead. I don't think Sheldon is written to make Leonard look bad. It is simply two different people with different lives and personalities. Sheldon insults Leonard. Leonard tries to build Sheldon up. Leonard is the good guy who gets all the bad breaks but manages to ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ it off and move on. Sheldon is the naive sometimes jerk who has everyone wrapped around his finger and seems to always come up on top despite his behavior. The Shelnard friendship dynamic works for them. It is part of what the show is about. It is understandable that storys get repeated with different characters. All couples go through their version of courtship, break ups, make ups, time apart, mistakes, major life decisions, etc. The show would be awfully boring if every scenario ended with the same outcome. I don't understand the Lenny and Shamy comparisons trying to justify the claim one is written in a way to achieve a specific perception of another. The couples are different. The way they deal with their individual relationships according to their personalities and what they know about their mates if different. Leonard deals with and responds to situations opposite from the way Sheldon does. Leonard was labeled a cheater, so Sheldon should be, too, because it makes Leonard look bad if he isn't? Really? That ship sailed a long time ago when Penny forgave him. Why can't we? It is not supposed to be a tit-for-tat. It never was.

Your scenario is just as reasonable. I just thought Sheldon might want to stay in NJ with Amy for the summer, and perhaps she may want him to. I never stated his job wasn't as important as Amy's or that Amy should return to Pasadena. It is something different, that is all.

One possible scenario I'd like to see is the gang and Mary fly out for a wedding at the beautiful Princeton campus. Shamy have been together for 6 years. They don't need another year to get married. The only reason I see them dragging out the wedding planning is to finally introduce some of Amy's family, which would be quite welcome. Also, if Sheldon stays at Princeton with Amy, this leaves more time in Pasadena to focus on Lenny. Perhaps Sheldon will get involved in Amy's research or try for some more education.

I really liked Amy's reactions during her Skype sessions with Sheldon over the Ramona situation. You could tell she was bothered by it. She could tell Sheldon wasn't reading the cues. She could have given Sheldon a lecture. She could have snapped back when Sheldon accused her of accepting an inappropriate call from Leonard while Ramona is sitting right there in their apartment alone with her man. Rather than making herself the bad guy by putting herself between Ramona and Sheldon, she acted wisely in relying on their friends to assist with the situation. Amy knows Sheldon is unaware. She also knows he is lonely, and for her to outright tell him he can't have a "friend" while she is away would have her come across as jealous and not trusting Sheldon to be alone without her. It would totally negate her efforts to convince him it was okay to let her go away. In her wisdom, she interrupts Ramona's visit by telling Sheldon he is tired and needs to go to bed. He trusts her guidance and proceeds with ending the evening. In the mean time, the ever so awesome Penny and Bernadette do their thing to help intervene. This is what knowing ones mate is about and what friends are for. That is another reason why I don't think Amy will be angry or say no. I think it would be hilarious if Penny and Bernie Skype Amy in a panic over Sheldon gone missing, thinking he is off somewhere with Ramona. Sheldon and Amy are in kahoots over some experiment to see how far they will go to rectify the situation, with the group somehow ending up in NJ where Shamy surprises them with their announcement. It would be a nice way to incorporate a gang road trip to Princeton.

I struggle with finding spare time to be on the forum these days, but it has been a joy to read all the commentary from the S10 finale and to see old avatars make a reappearance. It has taken two years for the events from the S8 finale to unfold as we watched the ring appear and disappear, get noteworthy mention, seemingly forgotten, and now hopefully it's grand finale out of it's velvet boxed enclosure onto Amy's finger. I got to thinking that perhaps, with Sheldon's eidetic memory and tendency to compare similar things and events, that perhaps Ramona's kiss triggered a memory action in which Sheldon recalled the events of his initial attempt to propose to Amy, where his efforts were halted by his witnessing her being kissed by her own admirer. It is in this moment he remembers he has a ring. With wide open shocked eyes, he is remembering, feeling betrayed by a friendly colleague and his own naiveity, and contemplating his next move, confident more than ever that Amy is his life and soul. Sheldon becomes quite comfortable with status quo and sees no need to change what is working. Things have been going so well with them living together and Amy being his girlfriend. Even when Sheldon initially felt threatened about Amy leaving for Princeton and fearing he was going to lose her, he didn't come back to the apartment with the ring but a suitcase and a desire to show her physically how much she means to him. He didn't see a need to put a ring on her finger to keep other smart, tall, and blonde scientists at bay. It isn't until Ramona crossed a line that Sheldon calmly stepped away from the situation with the realization that a change in his relationship status with Amy is not only necessary to put their relationship under "lock and key" but it is what he wants. Amy knows Sheldon. Had she not known that Sheldon has had the ring and contemplated giving it to her before, I could see her asking questions. However, for concern that she will wreck his resolve, I hope she will say yes and ask questions later. In the end, I think it speaks volumes about Amy in that Sheldon had an opportunity in front of him but calmly fled the situation. I think Amy will be proud of Sheldon, not angry. Maybe deep down she will silently applaud the events that led Sheldon to her door while cursing Ramoma outwardly.

My favorite part was the "mario kart" down the stairs. I loved Amy comparing her sex life with Sheldon to getting ketchup out of a bottle and now being worried it will flow now at the mere sight of someone else's French fries. The act of Sheldon going from the stolen kiss to Amy's door with the ring was not as climatic as I had thought, but it was reassuring to know how confident Sheldon is about who he wants in his future.

I agree. However, to me, having Leonard comment about it not being good and feeling bad for chipping Mandy's tooth is why I have a difficult time dismissing his situation as coersion.

Sheldon was being himself. If talking about one's girlfriend all the time is considered flirting, then I need to invest in a new dictionary. If flirting was perceived by Ramona, then she read more into Sheldon's actions than was there. He was clearly constantly rubbing Amy in her face. Perhaps therein lay the problem. If having a girlfriend isnt enough to keep another woman with romantic intentions at bay, then perhaps a rock on Amy's finger will get the message across.

I had to do a double-take thinking they had put her in 314 again until i realized she was on the 2nd floor.