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"Adorable" is entirely in the eye of the beholder. I see what I see and I believe their children will be smart and adorably awkward. And of course, there's absolutely no reason to believe that Lenny's children will be both smart and beautiful simply because Leonard is smart and Penny is beautiful either, but I still choose to believe it.

Unless - and this is admittedly a hugely unlikely scenario - the writers honestly wanted and have already planned to create symmetry between the first and last episodes of the series but needed to establish a reason Sheldon and Leonard would be in a dr's office to donate sperm but back out of it. Shamy have both said on multiple occasions that they want kids. We know Leonard does. If one of the couples needed IVF, there'd be no reason for the man to back out of donating. The only one who could insert pressure would be Penny, who had only gone as far as to say "someday, but not yet" (or words to that effect) about kids. Then they'd just need someone to request Leonard's sperm (enter Zack and Marisa) to set up the doctor's-office-to-donate-but-backs-out scenario. Again, I really doubt this is the case but it actually does seem like all of the pieces are now in place to create a symmetrical ending, if they wanted to.

So I've been giving some thought to the Lenny baby situation. My feelings are conflicted because I 100% believe it's okay that Penny doesn't want children, and I don't think she should be punished for that. I get a little tired of TV portraying that women can only be "complete" if they have children. However, I also feel it's not fair to Leonard, who has always wanted children. So again, conflicted. But I had a new thought triggered by the above post about the series ending full circle. I began to picture the 2 men walking up the stairs to stand outside of (what was) Penny's apartment. She's standing there surrounded by boxes just as she was in episode one (this time because she's helping Amy pack as Shamy are moving). It made me remember Leonard's line from the first ep, "Our children will be smart and beautiful." And I like the symmetry of that. So I'm back to conflicted. I want it to be okay that Penny doesn't want to have children. But the romantic (and symmetry-lover) in me would like Lenny to produce "smart and beautiful" children, just as I know that Shamy will produce smart and adorably awkward children.

Thank you for all you've shared! I really appreciate it.

Isn't that pretty much how the season opens? Or did I read the taping report wrong?

They're a couple. They'll never be over arguments. Every couple on this show has arguments all the time. Shamy had 2 in this ep alone (on their honeymoon, no less). Couples fight! Writers need stuff to write about. They're all always going to have fights. And make up. And do cute stuff and funny stuff and annoying stuff...

I always hoped the writers were keeping that in their back pocket for after he really committed the o Amy.

@Zephon75 there’s a Lenny hug!

According to Steve Holland, they’re “not holding anything back” in season 12! And they’ll never break up Shamy (he’d have to go into hiding). https://www.glamour.com/story/the-big-bang-theory-season-11-episode-24-recap

With more than one child. “I would go on to draw up such contracts throughout my life. With roommates, with my wife… Even with my own children.”

Sheldon is narrating YS from (we now learn from the last line in tonight’s YS episode) at least several years from now.

It probably belongs to the school tho.

I don't think her father is actually mute, just very quiet and overshadowed by Amy's mom. I believe he has a line somewhere in the ep.

Awwwwwwwwwwwwww. Those are just so perfect! Did he actually say 'damned'? That's a big deal!

Thank you!!! Hey, this bit: "Sheldon’s freaking out he can’t make his bow tie absolutely symmetrical. Amy says that maybe he doesn’t need to, sometimes there’s beauty in [a]symmetry." is just like the Lord Wimsy scene @GivesAWhit posted earlier!