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  1. 2 hours ago, JohnPhD said:

    Not sure that it is only logical. Sheldon was a unique comic creation, and IMO being in love doesn't fit well into his character. I suspect the writers have made his relationship central to his character because they couldn't think of anything better.

    Yes that's been the case for years so guess what they'll probably keep doing that for the next two seasons, which means Shamy will continue to be the center for the next two years despite how much some of us loathe that. 

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  2. 4 hours ago, dana1010 said:

    I think my problem is that I am too fixated on the original Shamy. The uniqueness of them where they only had eyes for each other, and they were both so quirky and weird. I understand that characters change and they progress, but I miss old Shamy. When I would be excited to see him look at her a special way, or watch how close their hands get sitting on the couch or walking up the stairs, when I would spend hours rewatching the SIK. I often wonder if it's me that has changed cause I don't look at these small details anymore or if the show itself has changed. 

    The unique thing about Shamy is that they do everything in there own special way. I am anxious to see how they handle the proposal in season 11. My trust in the writers is at a minimum so I am running through all worse case scenarios in my head. Here's hoping for some Shamy awesomeness. 

    I like season 4&5 Shamy too. But I must say I also love season 10 Shamy, probably more. Season 4&5 Shamy was unique without a doubt, but they were more like two playmates rather than a couple (well to be exact they really weren't a couple at that time). Their relationship was a balance back then. They shared mutual interests, but beyond that they were more like acquaintances. That kind of relationship may be perfect for the friend zone, but I can't imagine them keeping it if the writers ever want them to be a couple.

    As their relationship evolves, inevitably, the imbalance appears. Sadly, the writers chose to focus on the imbalance and magnify it to the extreme. To me the writers handles Shamy poorly in later seasons. Ok in season 6&7, below average in season 8 and first half of season 9, bad the second half of season 9, unbearable in the meemaw episode and the viewing party episode.

    Now in season 10, for the first time in years, their relationship is a balanced one. Amy is not a doormat anymore. Both of them are perfectly satisfied. No one is a flight risk. Sheldon learns to be a better boyfriend and Amy learns to stand up for herself. Their relationship reaches a new, better balance. Particularly, I like 1007 and 1019 a lot. It combined the uniqueness of season 4&5 Shamy with the evolved, more loving and human later season Shamy.

    As for those small things that used to excite us so much in the past, well you pay close attention, they still exist. Shamy still touch each other and make small eye contacts, we just don't notice those that much anymore because they do things much hotter than that these days lol. Is Shamy not unique anymore because now they do stuff such as kissing and coitus just like any other couple? I don't think so. To me the uniqueness of Shamy never lies in their lack of physical contacts. 

    As for their proposal, I'm not a big fan of it either. I don't mind Ramona or the kiss. My problem with this proposal is that once again, the writers got lazy. Explaining why Sheldon suddenly wants to propose should have been their job. But now they passed it to us, leaving us coming up with explanations ourselves. They didn't explain why Sheldon had a ring in the first place. And now once again they didn't explain how Sheldon went from "getting kissed by another girl" to "I must propose to my girlfriend right now". 

    To me one silver lining though, is Amy didn't say yes. Not that I want her to say no of course. But that leaves the writers room for an explanation. They can simply pick one from all the explanations fans gave for crying out loud (wait, was that their intention in the first place?)

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  3. 58 minutes ago, Kathy2611 said:

    Yes I agree but until Ramona (I don't count Alex since there was never a threat there), there was never a true threat that she was aware of.  Don't know if she was ever aware of Vanessa (the blond H & R tried to set him up with during the break up).

    If the writers really want to use Ramona to teach Amy a lesson, they would've let her see the kiss. They would've made the kissing scene as serious as the one in 907. On the contrary, the overall atmosphere in 1024 is and light and comedic. Amy worries for nothing, Sheldon being clueless, the gang showing support for Shamy, etc. Nothing ugly or nasty. Jealous Amy in this episode was hilarious rather than desperate.

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  4. 2 hours ago, Kathy2611 said:

    The way I look at it (the Ramona thing) is it's Amy's "slap in the face" to get her to see and realize that yes, there are women out there who will be more than glad to take her place.  She never got that during or immediately after the break up and reconciliation like Sheldon did.  He got to literally see that other guys were more than willing to come knocking on her door.  Now she knows too.

     

    If that's the case, she wouldn't have said to the girls over skype "I gave you one job!" That line obviously implies Amy expected situations like Ramona before she left. Thus she asked the girls to keep an eye on Sheldon.

    Amy's not dumb. She knows Sheldon is attractive and there are women who will fall for him despite his quirks. Back in season 6, Amy was very insecure when Alex first showed up. She even marked territory in Sheldon's office even though Alex had zero interest in Sheldon. I don't see how one throwaway line in season 9 suddenly turns Amy into someone who's so ignorant that she thinks there won't be anyone else who has interest in Sheldon. 

    Plus she knew Sheldon tried to move on with others during their break up. In fact she almosted cried in the hallway when Sheldon told her that. Sure Sheldon didn't actually succeed. But I think that's enough lesson for Amy to learn that Sheldon can too find others to take her place. I don't understand why two years later she still need a lesson for that.

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  5. 1 hour ago, 3ku11 said:

    Do you think Julias Dresyfield from Seinfeld who plays a brilliant a role in Veep. Would get Emmys if matarialistically her character was more simple. Like the blonde girl next door? No. I don't get what the argument is here. I am not proclaiming either actress is better. But point is Mayim did not make this show a hit. The original cast did. While you could argue Mayim is techincally a better actress. That does make her more talented. Kaley has been in the comedy buisness all her life. I remember scenes with Johnny when Leonard disowned her. Kaley plays emotions with such sensisitivity and subtleness. It is the characterization. Mayim does not come out on top at all. She is simply prominent because she plays Sheldons GF. 

    No intention of jumping in the Mayim/Kaley discussion, but IMO Jim Parsons, more than anyone else, made the show a hit...That's probably why the show centers around Sheldon so much these days.

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  6. 5 minutes ago, shamyyellow said:

    1. This has nothing to do with what you said about Sheldon watching Spongebob on the plane. To that, I say in big moments like flying to NJ to propose to your girlfriend, life doesn't stop or change for you. You have to do something for the 6 hours you're up there. If watching cartoons is too blasé for a man who has made a life changing epiphany, why wouldn't the same logic apply for a man who is in a panic? 

    2. The ending was a cliffhanger. It was designed so the audience would have a million questions and no answers until S11. It's already a huge complaint that this is an awful cliffhanger because we already know she's going to say yes. If Sheldon said anything more than he did, we would have more answers than the writers want us to have right now. It certainly doesn't mean that when the show returns, we won't see or hear what happens next and get all the answers you seem to want right now.

    It's silly to expect them to get into the thick of it when the writers were obviously going for shock and awe. It may not work for you, but it will for most of their audience.

    I'm fully aware this is a cliffhanger and how cliffhanger works. They'll probably explain more in the next season.

    I just want the "more" part to be Amy saying no to Sheldon's proposal. That's all.

    I want a more proper and less ridiculous proposal. After all the things Shamy went through, they deserve an engagement scene that at least makes sense. Because this one (assuming Amy says yes) is shit. It's worse than Lenny's first wedding.

  7. 4 minutes ago, shamyyellow said:

    What do you want him to do? 

    Simple.

    Say something before he gets down on one knee and explain why he has kept that ring for over a year since Meemaw came but suddenly wants to propose now. Or maybe tell Amy what just happened before he proposes? What leads to his proposal? Or just say something, anything?

    I've literally never seen a guy simply get down on one knee and propose without saying anything on TV, not even I love you/I want to spend my life with you/how happy you've made me? If that's too "normal" for Sheldon, he can express his feelings in his unique way, like "you are my earworm". 

    I mean, is SPEAKING too difficult a task for Sheldon now? 

     

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  8. 2 hours ago, jenafan said:

    I don't think Sheldon is panicking.   I think he has come to a realization, and I think the proposal does come from Sheldon's heart.   I think missing Amy in addition to being kissed by another woman has evolved into Amy being his girlfriend not being enough for him anymore.  

    I hope Amy says yes, because if she says no, it will be like the break up all over again.   At least for me.   I don't want to see Sheldon suffer anymore worrying about losing her and have to put the ring back in the safe.   Enough is enough.

    He has come to such a big realization that he watches sponge bob on the flight to Princeton?

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  9. 4 hours ago, Thyanic said:

    this... totally agree...

    First of all thank you to all those who kindly provide us spoilers.. really really appreciate it!!! big THANK YOU!!!
    Second, although there's a lot of good positive points that almost change my mind... I do think that Sheldon cheated on amy; I'm a shamy shipper (honestly not the same way that I used to be) but most of all I'm a Amy shipper, and it hurts me so much the way she has been treated (obviously by the writers in form of Sheldon and his sometimes unbelievable circumstances). Is Sheldon that stupid to not realize the real intentions from Ramona even when Penny was warning him about it, sorry I don't buy that sh*t!!!...He was spending so much time with Ramona and clearly we was enjoying her company, otherwise he would've used one of his stupid excuses in order to keep her away, (like he did with Vanessa and had used multiple times with amy and no, i don't want sheldon to be "exclusive" for amy, he has the right to hang out with whoever he wants (including women) same right that amy has (including man); what bothers me is the fact that suddenly from nowhere sheldon is allow to spend time with a woman that is not even one of his closest friends, put them aside just to please her, have a date, yes it was a date, because as far as we know they were alone swimming in a public pool (or was it a "private one"?) where is his germophobe?? (oh yes!! that excuse was only for amy),  and if that was not enough he let her kiss him, he was not capable to push her back from minute he felt her lips on his (we don't how much the kiss last) or when he saw her leaning toward him, he was not capable to say her simple "NO, that's not correct", why was she the one who stopped the kiss?? he only said excuse me and ran away, what did sheldon really feel?? Guilt because he knows he was cheating on amy?? or because he enjoyed the kiss "more than he thought he would"?? who knows!!! (it's a lorre comedy)... I just really hope that he is completly honest with amy, she deserves a proper explanation of what happened from sheldon's mouth, not from raj, bernie or penny much less Ramona... and I hope Amy asks sheldon the real reasons why he is proposing at that moment because not so much time ago she was crying because his lack of interest in marriage and because she didn't see any indication he was going to do it.

    And for the ep 23.. wow!! amy only gets some action from Sheldon in form of an anual present (on her birthday, because you know it's only once a year), when sheldon feels the need to procreate a superior human being (because you know it's for science) or as farewell gift (because you know she's about to leave and he needs to be sure that she's happy and there won''t be the risk to lose her with another scientist), .. wow!! how humiliating is that!! I think she deserves to be loved and desired by her partner at any time not only in "risk to lose" or "special aka sheldon's terms" ocasions, there is not need to "sacrifice" sheldon because it seems that it is exactly what he does... is enough to see the way he kisses her... (i bet the kiss with ramona is more believable than the all shamy kisses together)...

    I'm so sorry Lenny fans, i feel your pain.. you deserve so much better than this pile of cr*p.. i do really hope that if the shamy engagement is on, now the writers can focus on lenny making a good plot for them (yes I know it's difficult to believe but it's not impossible let's hope!!) hugs from another dissapointed former shipper!!!

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    I don't think what Sheldon does qualifies as cheating, at least the from where writers stand, they want to make sure Sheldon is not the one to blame in the situation. 

    The Ramona storyline doesn't bother me that much except maybe once again, a poor female character is portrayed as a a bxxch for the sake of making Sheldon look good... Like seriously, the girl has been in Caltech this whole time, but she never thought about pursuing Sheldon. The minute Amy gets out of town, she throws herself at Sheldon? Back in season 2, to me she's more into Sheldon's work than Sheldon. Now she's very accomplished maybe more accomplished than Sheldon but somehow she's interested in Sheldon? 

    What really disappoints me is the rushed, out-of-no-where proposal. For those fans who are excited about the proposal, good for you. However I can't help but ask you this, is this really the kind of proposal you've been waiting all this time? Is this really the kind of Shamy milestone event, that can compete with the train kiss, the prom I love you and the opening night coitus? I say no way, not even close. 

    I've read countless of fanfics which include proposal scenes, while I never expect the one on the show is like any of them, I expect the writers could at least surprise us. The writers may occasionally screw up little things about Shamy, I never thought they would be so reckless about something as big as a proposal. It's almost as bad as Lenny's wedding. 

    And the worst part is, Amy has to say yes. Because like a lot of Shamy fans have pointed it out, there's no reason for her to say no. After all, she has been so desperate for all these years lol. 

    But still, I sincerely hope Amy says no. Or at least give us an explanation writers, how exactly does Sheldon go from "getting kissed by a girl unexpectedly" to " let me propose to my girlfriend without any explanation."

    Anyhow, this has got to be the second least romantic proposal I've seen on TV.

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  10. Thank you so much Kazzie for the info. 

    God I hope Amy's says no. Because I see no logic behind Sheldon's reaction whatsoever. How does he decide to propose all of a sudden? Is it guilt? Is it that he's afraid other people might do what Ramona does to him to Amy? Is he freaking out because of the kiss? It doesn't look like it because he watches sponge bob on the flight to Princeton. 

    I hope they figure it out in the premiere of next season, instead of rushing to an engagement that makes not sense. If this indeed is Shamy's long-awaited proposal, I must say I'm very disappointed. 

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  11. 23 minutes ago, shamyyellow said:

    I don't know if it's a recycled plot or being consistent. Sheldon is often obvious. 

    Personally, I think it might be interesting to see what happens now that Sheldon has been in a relationship with Amy for 7 years. It has not only changed his perspective on love, romance, and sex but it's changed him as a person. Even if the plot was an exact duplicate of S2, I think the writers would be hard-pressed to reproduce an episode from 8 years ago for that reason alone.  

    Jealous Amy? Nooo.

    I see what you're saying about comedy vs. drama, but I think that would be a great disservice to Amy and her character development. Ramona is not Amy's competition and if they have her at the same level as an overbearing scientist who stumbles back into Sheldon's life after 8 years, I would be pissed. 

    I believe the whole theme of this episode is to evaluate how much Sheldon has changed and the fact that no woman, no matter how pretty or smart, is competition for Amy.

    I think TPTB sent Amy away last season because Mayim hurt her back and the Skype sessions allowed her to sit in a chair. As for this season, I think she needed to be away for their plot to work, so away she went. It's not like she's the only character who has left for the summer at the end of a season. We don't even know if she comes back by the end of the episode or not.

    Well from Molaro's description, I don't think Sheldon has changed at all. He still has no idea Ramona's pursuing him. So what's changed? Isn't that exactly the case in season 2? 

    What I don't like is this whole plot sounds like another big plot for Sheldon, not Shamy, because, well, Amy's not there. The writers are back to their usual "Sheldon being cute and sexy in different scenarios" only this time, the scenario needs Amy to be away. I think Amy being away serves no purpose for Shamy. 

    And that's the big difference between Amy being away and Sheldon/Leonard being away for the summer. You see, other characters being away serves purpose for their own or their own ship, while Amy, is used as a tool to create something between Sheldon and Ramona. I think there's a great chance we'll only see Amy via Skype in the finale. 

    But hey, we still don't know what exactly happens in the finale. Let's just wait and see. Maybe it'll be a big fat Shamy episode like a lot of people on the thread have hoped. Although I doubt it but I'll be so happy if I'm wrong.

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  12. I think what disappoints me about this Ramona thing is the recycling of plots. If for some reason they need to bring back her, at least be creative. Because the last time Ramona's here, she was the aggressively pursuing and Sheldon was oblivious. 

    IMO, they wasted a great opportunity for comedy sending Amy away. If Amy's here, maybe she'll figures out Ramona's true purpose and maybe she becomes competitive. Then there could be some comedy rather than drama. Like they could have a science contest and Amy beats Ramona's ass. Or Ramona tries to do damage to Shamy's study only finding her accidentally help them make a progress. So on. 

    Also, what is it with this show's "sending Amy away at our convenience"? Does it have something to do with Mayim's schedule? We have Amy being away at Chicago for two episodes last season, Amy being away in Princeton for a whole summer this season. At this speed, in the final season, maybe Amy will get admitted by that Mars program.

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  13. 2 hours ago, shamyyellow said:

    Like I said, I just can't make sense of why Shamy, the least sexually/physically dependent couple on the show would choose sex as their goodbye activity. She won't even be gone long enough for her next birthday to come and go. Maybe these are questions that are answered in 10.23

    From the bits we know about 10.23, I think this time sex is more of a spur-of-the-moment thing, Amy is leaving, they kiss and it leads to sex. It's not like they particularly choose sex to be a must-be-done activity before Amy leaves for Princeton.

    Or, like the tr said, since they have sex on a regular basis now, it's only normal to have sex when they know they will be apart for the next two or three months. 

    I guess we'll have to see how ep 23 plays out to judge. But I personally don't think this will lead to a pregnancy plot. No way they'll use that card twice, especially since a large part of the general audience didn't care for Bernie's pregnancy storyline.

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  14. 4 minutes ago, koops said:

    I'm confused as to why the title is the Gyroscopically Collapse. Does that mean the guys' project fails somehow? 

    The Ramona storyline will obviously involve Sheldon but, again, it could be work related or it could be Sheldon being clueless about what she's up to answer perhaps the cliffhanger is Amy overhears something and misunderstands and we are left with the summer waiting to find out how they will fix it. Or, hey, for all we know, Ramona might get so crazy that Sheldon runs away to Princeton himself to escape her. 

    But if it's only work related, they can have any guest star, no need to bring back Ramona, I think?

  15. 4 minutes ago, shamyyellow said:

    I've heard this theory before and honestly don't get it. It just sounds like a lot of drama based on a fear of the unknown. I'm not going to pretend to know for sure, but Mayim seems like the last cast member to put her job in jeopardy for more money. Asking for more? Sure. Letting other people fight for her to get more? Sure. Trying for equal pay? Totally. Actually putting her job on the line because she refuses to be paid $450K an episode while everybody else (minus Melissa) gets $900K? I just don't see it.

    Another flaw in that theory is thinking that TBBT won't be effected without her and that Sheldon could just fall for someone else. It would and he wouldn't (realistically). Sheldon and Amy are a huge draw for the majority of viewers. If there was even a question that Mayim wouldn't be back due to contract negotiations, I think they would give her what she wanted before throwing around empty threats. If this is between a few hundred thousand dollars and potentially ruining the last two seasons (and a prequel) they've already signed on for? No contest, she would get her money. But I honestly just don't see any of it.

    I've heard some things about last night's taping and it sounds very sweet and special. Along with this finale, it all just sounds like a buildup for a surprise nobody saw coming... like an engagement or pregnancy or Raj hooking up with Ramona. It also sounds like a way to get Amy to return for the finale and by the S11 premiere, her entire fellowship will be skipped over. It's a drastic change and plot twist without any dedication. I know everybody is flipping out, but looking at every other time this has happened leads me to believe it will be funny and not that big of a deal.

    I like your way of thinking and I sincerely hope you're right. Just one question though, if Ramona's storyline does not involve Sheldon and Amy's fellowship will be over by S11 premiere, why set up this Amy fellowship storyline in the first place? Also this way there won't be any cliffhangers in the finale...

    7 minutes ago, serena_1995 said:

    IMO Amy cheating would go against everything they have written and would reverse the trust Sheldon has for her.

    Then they probably won't let Amy cheat. Because like you said, it'll destroy everything they have written for Shamy. And because of the popularity Shamy receives these days, there's no way they'll do that. 

    Also, no offense but you sound like Amy already cheated.

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  16. 3 minutes ago, serena_1995 said:

     

     

    I think I'm more worried they will have Amy cheat on Sheldon offscreen.....like Leonard went away to North Sea, and cheated on Penny . Hope I'm wrong. 

    Well on one hand, I agree with you. The writers do love Sheldon muce more so they'll probably choose to destroy Amy's character rather than Sheldon's. However, with Ramona appearing in the finale out of nowhere, it's just hard for me to believe the writers will not do anything dramatic about it. And what's more dramatic than Sheldon Cooper sleeping with another girl?

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  17. Ok... With Amy probably being away for the summer, Ramona back for the finale and the fact that Mayim hasn't signed the contract yet, I'm gonna put out a conspiracy theory: maybe the writers are using this plot to make a point to Mayim. They are saying that the show will not be affected without her and Sheldon can easily have another love interest. And if this is indeed the case, I'm afraid we'll have a cliffhanger much like season 4, only this time it'll be Sheldon and Ramona waking up in the same bed or something like that. And if Mayim sign the contract during hiatus, next season will start with the writers telling us nothing happened between Sheldon and Ramona, Amy is back from Princeton and life goes on.

    More to add: And by "nothing happened", because this is Sheldon, I think the writers will make it clear that literally nothing happened, not like Penny&Raj's case where she gives him a hand job...

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  18. 5 minutes ago, mirs1 said:

    Shamy spoilers....

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    Spoilers-episode 23-the gyroscopic collapse-Amy gets offered a fellowship to Princeton but sheldon does not want her to go but by the end is willing to let her go.Sheldon is packing Amy's car and says don't fall in love with any other scientists.

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    And discuss...

    A fellowship is a temporary thing, right? Like they have a particular topic/subject of study and Amy will be back once the research is over. Or is it a permanent job meaning Amy will be in Princeton from now on? 

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  19. 1 hour ago, koops said:

    Oh, I know. I don't blame you. I guess I'm zen because even if the worst happens, I've had everything I wanted from the show so I can just tell them all to piss off and I'll be on my way. :icon_wink:

    Back in S8 I kept repeating up until the last minute how the narrative of the season didn't point to anything bad happening and it did. So I'm not going to make the same mistake again and say it makes no sense whatsoever given the way Shamy have been written this season for there to be romantic drama again, let alone something like cheating, which is totally OOC for either character, not just Sheldon. Because I know these writers don't really care about continuity and will pull out whatever plot suits them at the moment. And especially with a 2-year renewal, I could see why they might want to drag things out with more drama.

    But that doesn't change the fact that 1) we have VERY little info and just because it's a finale and it says the gang are worried doesn't necessarily mean the show will go full out OOC drama and 2) they literally just went through one breakup 2 years ago, it's unlikely there's going to be more coming again so soon.

    Sheldon is clueless when it comes to women. I can see that Ramona might try to wiggle her way into his work/life and he doesn't even notice what's happening but everyone else does. I can even see Amy misunderstanding something by accident and for there to be angst in that sense. But I think it's unlikely there's going to be anything seriously bad happening. There might be a cheap cliffhanger though. That I could see. 

    ETA: @April. Ok, so nothing new on that front from the last time I heard. I doubt they won't have Mayim on for the full season, no. But now that that idea got into my head, to be honest I'd MUCH rather take a long-distance thing if they have to drag out the Shamy (which is something very realistic for academics) than stupid pointless romantic drama. I think Shamy trying long-distance could be very interesting and a growth experience for both. And they could still have Mayim on full-time, just filming on her own for, I don't know... half the season or something. Oh and this crap just writes itself.... I can so see them bringing her back for 11x11 just in time for reunion/birthday sex. I need to stop now, LOL. *awkwardly steps away*

    About the long distance thing, well, I'd rather it doesn't happen. Because the show centers around Sheldon, long distance would mean a massively reduced screen time for Amy . We may only see her in Skype calls or some mentioning in dialogues. And believe me, the writers are NOT going to write plots specially for Amy. They wrote some stories for her in early seasons because at that time her character was newly introduced. But now? When was the last time that Penny had a plot just for herself? Let alone Amy. Besides, after years of waiting, we Shamy fans finally get a season where Shamy are like a real couple. They live together, sleep together, do science together and have fun together. I think we deserve more cute Shamy together time than them skyping. 

    Besides, I don't think the writers would just toss away their cash maker couple. To general audience, you give them good Shamy plots, they fall in love with Shamy. You reduce on-screen Shamy, they are not going to "imagine" off-screen Shamy moments themselves. If the long distance thing happens. as time goes by, I'm afraid general audience's love for Shamy will fade. 

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  20. 6 minutes ago, SRAM said:

    Really, is that true?  I guess that is a worry then, if they are shipping Amy off to Princeton at the end of the season.  Maybe TPTB are hinting to Mayim that she could be replaced with Ramona?

    Lol if that's their purpose, they should've picked a better character. I mean even Leonard's mother has more chemistry with Sheldon than that Ramona girl. 

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