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  1. Sheldon was always childish, but Sheldon wasn't always in a relationship with a woman that is very much characterised as a fairly normal adult. I seriously skipped some episodes this season because Shamy is giving me the creeps (the one where she drugs him being on of them) and I can't watch their dynamic for extended periods of time anymore. One seriously has to wonder about writers who think: "We want to develop this character so that he can enter a working romantic and also sexual relationship. Which of his existent traits should we make more pronounced? Oh, I know, the times when he was treated and/or acted like a five year old." It's not consistent, of course, nothing much in this show is characterisation-wise (for example, he seemed very grown up in the actual coitus episode, to the point where I found his dialogue, nice as it was, actually seemed too aware and sensitive for Sheldon at times). It's consistent enough for me, though, to finally take the advice one is given so often and employ the "don't like, don't watch" strategy.
  2. I can't speak for others, but I think Amy is just the last of a line of female characters who is there to shake her head at them boys and their nerdy ways and I just... ugh. They don't even vary the joke, like, not even a little bit. It's not like she'll say "oh, yes, you go to comic con and I do something I find fun" if she doesn't go, like an actual normal person would. It'll be served with a lot of those fresh new jokes straight from S01 about how Sheldon sure is a manchild for liking guys in tighs! And yeah, it's a sitcom and a big chunk of TBBT's humour is all about people being nasty to each other in snide remarks, let's be honest. But why couldn't it be like: "While my boyfriend will do something weird like dressing up as the Flash, I will engage in adult behaviour and map out the route of the pilgrims of the Canterbury Tales on Google Earth." Cue Penny and Bernadette straightmanning or something. But I'm sorry, that would imply personality and if we do that, then we might actually have to pay attention if the lines that are written are for Amy, Bernadette or Penny. One of these old trite writing chlich├ęs is that a character should be defined by what they are, not by what they aren't. Amy, to me, is a lot of nagging about Sheldon's interests and terrible behaviour and general... being. I know some things she likes and is, but that's pretty much all information from like five seasons ago. I have the same problem with Penny, to an extent (and so do the writers 'cause they sure don't seem to know how to resolve her General Unhappiness plotline).
  3. Indeed. This may be the kind of thinking that leads the writers to do the plot twist that it's surprisingly Leonard and Penny who can't live all on their own (though they've lived together before) and THAT'S why the living arrangements will have to stay the same... :D (Incidentally, I'm not as hard on the living arrangements as others, as I basically see 4A and 4B as one flat anyway and don't think the show would change much if they shuffled it around, though that makes me wonder why they haven't done it already. Also, I do in fact know several couples, two of them married, who live with roommates - although it tends to be a financial decision which S+L+P really shouldn't be struggling with.)
  4. Oh good, we're talking about the Shelnard relationship! You know, as much as I do weigh in on pairing conversations, that's actually one of the things I used to like most, and I agree with @wowbagger that nowadays it's a bit difficult to understand why the hell they are friends to begin with and it was always a little tricky. I think a lot of it has to do with show, don't tell, actually. I remember several scenes from the early seasons where Sheldon was being willingly friendly with Leonard; not in maybe a normal human sense, but in a way that I felt Leonard still appreciated. My favourite example is still from the Codpiece Topology from S2, after Leslie breaks up with Leonard. Sheldon cheers Leonard up by telling him to look on the bright side: Only nine more months to comic-con. The joke is, of course, that this DOES actually cheer Leonard up, and you'll notice Sheldon smiles at that, so that seems to have been his goal. If this scene was written today, Leonard's answer would be something like "Really? I just got dumped by a girl and you are talking about comics? It's like I'm living with a six foot ten year old." [Cue audience laughter.] But of course, Sheldon wouldn't have tried to make him feel better to begin with nowadays. He would have said something mean and callous because he has somehow character de-developed over the seasons and now has to clumsily relearn things he used to be able to do (see: feeling empathy). And yet, now is when we get Sheldon telling Leonard he is his brother and so on. It's weird - or maybe not. I mean, telling your audience that's what they're supposed to feel is easier than creating a brotherly bond onscreen. And we so rarely see Shelnard doing their hobbies together anymore because now that they have wives and the relationship plots eat up the very short screentime, where would you even fit that all in? If they'd go cosplaying now, we'd probably have to concentrate on the girls shaking their heads at them and commiserating over their childish husbands over some wine, anyway. (Incidentally, I got the cutest photo from a friend a few days ago; she, not really a nerdy person, and her 2 year old were all dressed up as peasants to go to a medieval festival with her LARPer husband because somehow not all wives in real life try to nag away all of their husbands' more outlandish hobbies. They even sometimes participate and do it to spend a fun time with their spouses, even if they're not all that into it themselves???? what is this actual witchery) It's also that I feel like there was a tipping point of mean-spiritedness in their comments to each other, especially Leonard towards Sheldon. It used to be you could pity him, but because it's so easy to write sarcastic little asides for Leonard about Sheldon's behaviour, they do it so often that it crosses a line, at least for me. I feel like Leonard is not being funny anymore, but an ineffectual whiner who should shut up or move out already if he really hates him so much. On the other hand, Sheldon is now not his eccentric friend, but his responsibility, so Leonard's literally not allowed to leave him (or Penny will push him back, apparently, as we've seen last season); who could blame Leonard for being bitter? Maybe if he gets to hand over the Major Caretaker role to Amy this season, they can return to having a normal friendship while Amy becomes Sheldon's nanny? But at this point, why would they?
  5. Couldn't quote this enough. Additionally, I really dislike how every single one of Sheldon's quirks needs some sort of sob story attached to it now. I find it hard to find him funny when all his running gags are apparently just manifestations of his deeply troubled childhood which I am presented with in heartfelt Emotional Moment scenes. So... am I supposed to feel sorry for him now everytime he knocks on a door? Because presenting it as a Serious Issue tells me that I should; but I know that's not what next week's writers will want when they construct a joke around the knocking ritual. But then again, Penny is taking medication now, and we never heard of that again, either. TBBT used to be fairly good at wandering the line of staying funny and still garnering sympathy for the characters; Leonard's childhood seemed genuinely abusive in the first seasons, but it was still funny in kind of a horrible way because they played it for laughs with his dry jokes about it. Much like Penny's stories about her meth-cooking brother, it was dark-ish humor, but it was clearly meant to get laughs. I think maybe dramedy just isn't for me. My suspension of disbelief cannot cope with the dissonance that I'm supposed to laugh at the very things that are explicitly presented as Dramatic and Serious in other episodes (and no, I haven't seen this one yet, but they've done this with Sheldon like 12 times now). /rant
  6. I guess the thing is that you can't be all things to all people. If you allow negativity in every thread, it is going to push away people who rather want a generally carefree fandom experience, which, since this is a hobby, is perfectly understandable. On the other hand, if any hint of negativity is stomped on, you'll lose the people more interested in mixed discussion. This forum does try to be both, which I find laudable, but it is a difficult balance to strike, since these kind of things tend to spill over from thread to thread. (On a side note, my other fandoms are mostly centered around tumblr, so I find this discussion kind of happily old-fashioned because so few fandoms still happen on message boards (and thus come with moderators). From my experience, even the biggest fights in the discussion thread are schoolyard spats compared to the unmoderated wild, wild west out there, which has both its good and bad sides.) Also, as for the lapsed fans, I think it's difficult to let go of things you really liked because you do know that technically, all the ingredients are still there for it to be as good as it used to be. And it's not like I don't enjoy TBBT at all, in my case; the actors are still good (my main reason), some writing is quite snappy, and some character dynamics still work. Really, that makes it almost more annoying to me, hence my occasional complaining here. It's like watching someone drive a really pretty car straight into a wall. (And yes, I know. It's a very popular TV show, money talks, the devs have no reason to change it, etc. Fair enough. I don't expect them to. However, as the dominance of reality TV proves to us, popularity does not necessarily equal quality.) The disgruntledness of formerly loyal fans usually means to me that certain shows/books/etc. really struck a chord at some point, so it's almost a weirdly twisted compliment in itself. I've read the Twilight series for curiosity's sake, for example, and aside from an occasional joke, you won't ever hear me talk about that because I never thought it deserved my mental energy that much at any point; to me, it was never salvageable*. TBBT is quite different. *(sorry to all Twihards for dragging Twilight into this; your opinion may differ, of course, and indeed I know quite a few ardent fans who showed the same angry fan attitude we see here over Twilight 4)
  7. Ts, ts, so little tolerance for the non-canon pairings around here. Shelnard is totally the way to go! And concerning the Shenny kiss, I think most people probably don't take it as seriously as we sometimes do (including the writers). It was just a funny thing to film because the squabbling mismatched pair is, after all, a staple of romantic comendy as well, and hell, they could've gone that way in the first two seasons, although it was always more likely that Penny and Leonard would end up together as your typical will-they-won't-they pair. The networks had a catchy scene for the adverts and the actors looked like they had fun with it, too. And if a Shenny or two liked it, oh dear, well I don't think that will magically morph the last six seasons into Shenny, so it's really not a threat. But of course, we might all end up moved to the the Shipping Lanes if we continue like this.
  8. I admit I've never been able to get into Friends either, but then, I've never been into romcoms and "men are this" and "women do that" jokes are about as funny to me as white walls, so I think it just wasn't my comedy. I've liked LK in other stuff, but I feel like I'd have trouble taking her serious as Penny's mom unless they dye her hair grey or something.
  9. That's possible, I just picked a few shows to illustrate the general direction I meant. However, a lot of genre shows, especially the smaller ones, seem to be working on a shoestring budget just because they are expected to appeal to niche audiences anyway. I think it also has a lot to do with writing in your means (Supernatural manages to look amazingly cheap sometimes considering that they are a pretty well-produced show, but they do occasionally forget what the limits of their CGI team are). I just meant to prevent that argument that one of the showrunners brought that the acting career was not feasible because they'd have to show Penny on set - not quite sure if costs or logistics were the problem, but they said something like that. I really think that's a bit of a cop-out; aping the high production values and effects budget of Charmed (sarcasm alert), which, hey, Kaley was actually on, was never going to put a hole in anyone's wallet, and it would have been possible to write around doing on-set scenes in the studio.
  10. (not sure how the quote got there, sorry about that) I always thought Penny should have gotten a recurring role on a genre show, something like Smallville, Charmed, Stargate or Supernatural. It would have been a lot of fun to see her handling nerd culture from a different angle, suddenly being an integral part of it, and since these shows often have the budget of three snickers and some change, having a few scenes from the set/the episode-in-episode a season couldn't have driven production costs up very high for TBBT. Plus, we could have had plots about the guys meeting her potentially nerd-famous co-stars (guest star potential) and navigating a comic-con with her or something, as well as Leonard dealing with his girlfriend suddenly being a nerd sex symbol and so on.
  11. I think concerning the "you only have a limited amount of time" conversation, it was just clumsy writing. The actor delivered that whole sequence quite beautifully (honestly, that was the most moving part of the episode to me), so I didn't notice until the rewatch, either, but logically it's odd. Yes, Sheldon only has a limited amount of time to spend with Amy on this earth, but he only has a limited amount of time to watch Star Wars, too. It's not like Sheldon is immortal or, as far as we know, that you can watch Star Wars after your death (althought that might be interesting). What's in question here is Sheldon's priorities, obviously, and because of the acting I think the scene still worked, but the juxtaposition is basically nonsense unless there were a reason that the time he can spend with Amy is shorter than the time he could spend watching Star Wars (which would be his whole lifetime). Perhaps it should have been made clearer that it might have been about spending a special occasion with her (Amy only has one birthday per year, but you can watch Star Wars every day of the year).
  12. No, she doesn't, but if she went back to him no questions asked, then she shouldn't be surprised none of her particular questions were addressed. I think I'm so annoyed with this because it's literally been exactly the same problems, and, worse, jokes, for going on four years now. Watching Amy is like listening to that friend who hasn't managed to break up for good with their terrible significant other for years, the SO who they know is not a good fit for them but stay with anyway for reasons that are arcane, confusing and infuriating to an outsider. I wouldn't cite anything in 9x23 or the last FwF episode as great Shamy moments, to be honest, although I realise that is all up to interpretation. So far, their relationship developments in S9 Part 2 seem to all have been Amy "fixing" Sheldon. But let's be real, most likely all of this fixing won't ever amount to much, since if Sheldon lost his quirkiness he would lose his market value as trailer bait and iconic character. It's like the end of Iron Man 3, when Tony... does a thing that indicates he won't superhero no more, but you know that he's gonna be in the next Avengers movie anyway, so you know that particular bit of character development can just go right down the drain now, no matter how good it was. That's basically what Earworm and Opening Night felt like to me. They were sweet, sure, but if that was Sheldon's MO from now on, if he knew just the right things to say and do, showered Amy with flowers, willingly participated in relationship advice discussions for Ugh, Raj, took her out to restaurants to hold hands and generally turned into a normal, friendly boyfriend doing normal, friendly boyfriend things, where's the comedy in that? Weren't they the odd couple - but not in the sense that they were mismatched with each other, but mismatched with the rest of the world? (And that's not to say that he shouldn't do things with Amy that she likes; just that, in my opinion, it was a mistake to make everything that Amy likes so normal because that forces Sheldon to become normal if he wants to be with her, and why would he want that? Sheldon was good with being extraordinary. And for that matter, why would I, a non-shipper on this show, want that? I want to laugh at Sheldon's antics. They don't have to be maliciously directed at Amy, in fact I'd rather they were not, but they should still be in line with Sheldon's personality.)
  13. I think the reason Sheldon tends to get a bigger defense squad in relation to Shamy, or at least why I personally often find myself losing patience with her first rather than with him, is that Sheldon hasn't really changed. I mean, they write him differently now, he's more smiley, more childish instead of just odd, but it's not news that Sheldon is a supremely weird and often callous guy who doesn't do well with traditional emotional connections. Amy knew that and Amy went for that, so she doesn't really have a leg to stand on when complaining that Sheldon hasn't magically transformed into a normal person. If she has developed out of the relationship with Sheldon, then that's really her problem. Now, mind you, I wouldn't want to date Sheldon in a million years, he's sometimes a downright terrible person in the relationship, and perhaps he really should break up with Amy if he realises that he can't or doesn't want to be what she obviously wants him to be, but yeah, it's the "put up with" part that's the problem. Amy doesn't have to put up with it. This is not the 1800s, they are not married, she could walk away whenever she wants and she has. Then, she decided that she wanted Sheldon without any real evidence of him having changed (he said nice things to her, but it's not like he ever outright promised to change his behaviour completely, as far as I remember). So, as far as Amy goes, for me it's a situation of "you made your bed and now you get to lie in it".
  14. Totally have to agree about Big Bear. The reason I didn't much like the first half of the season was that so much of it was centred on getting Amy and Sheldon back together and I just didn't understand why. As has been said before here, in my opinion, there were just no compelling reasons given why Amy shouldn't date Dave and Sheldon shouldn't try his luck with Vanessa. I mean, I never doubted they would get back together, but that's more because them being endgame is pretty much a forgone conclusion at this point. So my question all season long was, why am I supposed to root for these people who don't seem to make each other particularly happy or, when they do, it's never explained further than "because they love each other because they do"? And it's not like much was changed by the break-up, anyway, as Amy pointed out. In the last scene of Big Bear, however, that problem of mine was addressed by highlighting all their similarities and how easily they understood each other and that made me really dig the Shamy for the first time in a long while. And it was a funny scene, too! I wish the writers would do more stuff like that.
  15. Yeah, there were a few, but they never stuck around. There were those two girls that Raj (or was it Howard?) and Sheldon picked up once. They ended up playing Guitar Hero or Singstar with them, they seemed fun. Then there was Leonard's first missstep during the relationship with Priya, and Sheldon's ersatz-date for Amy. On the other hand, you have the kind of mean-spirited throwaway jokes; the fat Sailor Moon Raj and Howard slept with and the (also fat) unsexy Wonder Woman cosplayer that Stuart dated come to mind. Haha fat women who think they can be desireable, what a knee-slapper. Anyway, I wish we had seen more of some of the women in the first category, too, or that Claire had been at the comic book store because she actually liked comics. But then, we'd have a woman character who couldn't shake her head at her boyfriend in maternally understanding, fond disbelief when the next round of comic book discussion comes around and that ain't happening.
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