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I think these things could be setting the ground for them deciding to try latter this season. My guess is Penny will not be pregnant at least until the summer of 2018 but we'll see. I have seen the interview you're talking about... I felt they were just like... There are a lot of things happening, we're just watching from the kitchen island...

That proper conversation is what I want and what I think should have already happen and it not happening is unrealistic to me. So we're partly on the same page on that

So I always say that I don't have time to write down my fanfic ideas but I just had to do something for the 10 year anniversary of Lenny's first meeting. So here goes: https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12664622/1/The-Alteration-Realization This is based on an idea I wrote about in here, which @Zephon75 encouraged me to write down. Although one original character kind of took life of her own there LOL... Hope you'll like it... and if not, there is always room for more Lenny fanfics!

I think those steps you describe could definitely happen, in fact I have previously thought they might do something like step 2. What I find unrealistic is that they haven't had these concrete thoughts yet. The reason for it to me is the writers not wanting them to have a baby prior to the finale or final episodes. Again, I disagree with you about them being not into it, from their conversation in season 9 I got that they both want children, well we knew that about Leonard but it seemed like for Penny it was kind of a given (he was rightly cautious asking her though due to past experience). "I’m not in a rush but someday, yeah, sure." is not a "maybe" IMO even though it is not concrete. Agree to disagree on that, I guess.

And now dressed up for the ocassion:

First I just have to say I think there is a different between "Sure" and "Maybe"... Second, I view the not starting to think about it concretely the same as not having a baby (at least prior to S12) in the sense that the reasons, IMO, are the same. I think the writers know that once they have them talking about it like that it will be much harder to turn down like Sheldon's quirk of the day or stall like with Howardette when it was a process for Bernie. I don't think they can drag this for a lot (maybe a little) over Penny's insecurities, they have used this card for seasons 3 to 7, that's more than enough. As I said I see the problems with that but the price with dragging it is that things become unrealistic (like Lenny living with Sheldon for a year and spending only some nights together the year before). The writers pride themselves of writing about life, of letting their characters grow and change because that is life, but they are very selective about the changes they allow.

I think these scenes may be setting up for a season 12/finale pregnancy, which probably means no baby on more than one, two at best, episodes if at all. I was referring to having a baby for some time, like from the beginning of S12. I do not think the Shamy thing was more serious... You probably won't agree with me on this but to me it was more of another attempt on Sheldon's part to recreate his greatness. Yes Amy's greatness too which made it a tad more romantic but to me he was so obviously not ready for a baby and not really thinking about being a father. He got carried away with the excellent results their cells had. The Lenny talk in S9 was serious, Penny's answer was "Sure". While with Howardette it was more questionable with Lenny I think it was quite clear they will have children, even before they talked about it directly. Yes they didn't talk about when they would have children (because of they did than it would have been much harder for the writers to keep stalling them, they know this well) but they have been married for more than 2 years now and have been together living close by for more, have a perfectly fine apartment for one baby, are doing okay financially, Leonard is 37 and they have been parenting Sheldon since long before that parenting book. All of this makes me feel that realistically they would have start considering it at least a year ago...

I definitely agree on Beverly being a dangerous person who has been doing horrible things but I am not vehemetely opposed to her character, I think what is missing is a clearer stance against her. It would have been easier to deal with her character, IMO, if the story was that she got her license suspended for good many years ago and is selling her books undercover.

Exactly! I think their view is that Howardette babies are not a biggie, they might as well have triplets now and they would only be heard once in a while. With Lenny on the other hand they are very reluctant to go there. I can understand some of their considerations, but the result, IMO, is unrealistic for the characters. Another thing is that he says they probably won't have a baby but will think what should be the next step in their relationship. It could be that this is just about the first episode and the resolution is "We're fine this way". If not I'm wondering what the next step would be if it isn't having a baby... They already renewed their vows... Penny's job is not a step in their relationship... The only thing I can think of is buying a house and I can't see them doing that before the series end or at least near it, that would move most of the gatherings to another set (I think one of the reasons of keeping them in 4A was that the gang would mostly go to their house...) and I don't see that happening...

I agree. And I would like it if they surprised us (and the gang maybe) and not make her mostly irritable-short-temepred-complaining which would be predictable for Penny but more sensitive-fragile-enthusiastic (she wanted to find something she is passionate about...). I can imagine someone making an irritated-sarcastic remark (Bernadette?; Not something unusual for the group and Penny herself) and to the surprise of everybody but Leonard Penny starts crying saying (high pitched) "Why are you being so mean?" and burrying her face in Leonard's shoulder, he hugs her and explains that she has been a little sensitive lately... The surprise factor is a strong thing in comedy.

My bet for the finale is the Shamy wedding + a side story for another couple/Raj, I hope Lenny... Maybe a possible Lenny pregnancy or deciding to try. Or Raj starting/advancing in a relationship or we find out he may leave so it makes for a cliffhanger. Or Leonard gets a good job offer somewhere else... Anyway I think the wedding + unrelated B plot may work, kind of like Monica and Chandler's wedding with the Rachel pregnancy. Maybe we will know better either when 11×03 airs or when we get around midseason.

I would like that but don't expect that. For now I'll take this plot if it has them working well together and not playing bickering parents like they have them do at times. Maybe it will be an accumulation of things that gets them there, we could count the reminiscing on child-like Sheldon memories (e.g., he used to fall asleep on the car) as part of it. I hope this one will make them believe they can be good parents. These too need things like that, though Penny masks it they are both insecure.

Oh I didn't know that! Well that makes me think the odds of the wedding happening on the 250th are higher altough my bet is still season 11 finale. And I didn't think the 250th could be another birthday party, just that if iy coincides with his birthday the odds are higher for the wedding to happen then. I wouldn't say the 100th was low key tough...it wasn't a celebration but it was different than other episodes and you could hear the excitement in the audience reactions. Anyway, I hope it is this season. Maybe the next one they could be looking for a new place to live? I see comedic potential there...

That is what triggered @April's (and subsequently my) comment(s).

Personally I think it would be season 11 finale, I think they would keep somethinh like this for a finale/mid-finale, I don't think the 250th will be all that, it's not like 100/200. When is Sheldon's birthday though? Something in the winter? Could it coincide with the 250th?