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  1. Whether it's still science-based and whether it's still funny are two different issues.

    We may argue about whether there's still enough science or not (and it's true that there's less than before). But the quality of the writing, and the humour, are not just for us to judge. The only objective measures of that are the viewership ratings (for the humour) and awards (for the quality). Since the more recent seasons have scored higher on both these counts than earlier seasons (it's present viewership is the highest ever, and it's getting award nominations as a series only now), there are no objective grounds of claiming that the quality has declined.

    I'm guessing that the general public doesn't analyze whether there are relationships on the show, or science or geek cred: people just want to be entertained. So if there are more people watching and enjoying it now, that means it's still successful from the point of view of being funny, no matter what other complaints we may have about it.

    Fair point. I retract my comment about a decrease in quality. I should say, rather, that it no longer tickles my funny bone, the more it moves towards being a "Friends" type show; a show I never found funny.

  2. I find it amusing that when real science is brought up here: Fermilab, the Mars Rover, what happened at CERN, sciencey guests eg; Margherita Hack there is absolutely no discussion from the moaners who complain the show is losing its science focus.

    I've noticed this too. Whenever I've come up with examples of the science/geek oriented themes that are still being touched upon in the show, the response is either silence or arguments which struck me as slightly lame. For example, when I questioned why George Smoot's visit in season 2 qualifies as a science-based plot but Hawking's visit in season 5 doesn't, someone told me it's because the episode depicted nothing but the 'relationship between Sheldon and Hawking', and not any science! I'm still waiting to get this logic. :icon_confused:

  3. I got into the show due to the nerdiness, and the fact that I love pop-culture references, and probably most importantly...Sheldon's arrogant put-downs. general sarcasm and his character overall.

    I have always found relationship aspect , dialogue and scenarios to be totally unfunny. After Amy became less like Sheldon and tried to move towards a more normal relationship ,her scenes also became totally unfunny to me. Some people find the relationship between Amy and Sheldon to be funny, but I cannot remember ANY of these scenes where I had a laugh. The same goes for ANY of the other romantic or relationship scenes between ANY of the characters.

    The only things I found funny were the comments made by others about said relationships like the runniing gags about L/P at the beginning or Sheldons comments to Leonard if Leonard tried to discuss his problems with him.

    I could put up with relationship scenes in the early days as the relationships were mainly dealt with by cast members talking about the failings of relationships. Once the protagonists actually got together themselves...no laughs....ever...as far as I can remember. And these scenes have become ever more frequent.

    I predict I will see the plot summary for ep01 of se06, and not bother to watch it, for the first time in years.

  4. I would just like to point out that it's not the charachters evolving, per se, that I mind. It's more due to the fact that so much ot the writer's effort seems to be focussed on the relationships now to detriment of ...jokes! I have rarely had laughs in the last 2 seasons.I kept watching in the hope the show would become funny again but, for my taste, it hasnt. If you're still laughing, well then , enjoy the show.

    Other comedies like 3rd rock , the Simpsons didnt evolve characters and just concentrated on jokes right throughout their long runs (okay the Simpsons have run out of gags at this stage but they had a good run).

    Red dwarf had slight some character evolution , but not at the expense of jokes.

    Frasier and Only Fools and Horses basically kept the same characters and just changed their romantic circumstances (Niles & Daphne, Del boy & Racquel) but again, not at the expense of the jokes.

    I said I didnt want to see Sheldon change because he was and is VERY funny as Sheldon 1.0. If I thought he would still be hilarious, I would keep watching but going by the example of how unfunny Howard has become, I doubt it very much. It will, IMHO, be focussed on the emotions rather than the jokes.

    I found myself trudging through the last 2 series , so I think its time to let go.

    It would be harder to leave this forum than to leave the show itself

  5. ..so that's something he has in Common with Sheldon.

    His blog...

    Will Wheaton & downloading Ubuntu

    excerpt:

    So yesterday, I decided that I'd download Ubuntu and put it in a Virtualbox on my iMac, just to see how the distro is doing these days....f I'd downloaded the iso straight from their server, it was going to take the better part of an hour, so I decided to grab the torrent instead. Turns out it was a good choice, because it was finished in about six minutes.


    ...and also playing a board game about being railroad barons! :icon_eek:

    He really should get together with Sheldon more often.

    Will Wheaton tabletop : Ticket to Ride


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  6. but for those who are calling the thing between him and Amy a 'stock cookie-cutter rom-com relationship', I really have to wonder whether we're even watching the same show.

    It is not , at the moment, but the last few epidodes have indicated that that's the direction season 6 will travel ...with Sheldon coping with his new-found feelings. Unlike most people here,that's not something I personally feel like watching. Well,you guys have fun next year.

    This years main theme was Howard/Bernadette rom-com, next year will be Sheldon/Amy

  7. I agree with the OP. The show has gone downhill in my opinion. I liked the science.

    Some say that characters need to evolve to keep interesting and Moonbase above even said that "the subject of nerd culture had a limited life span". I think that these things are only true for someone who isn't a nerd / geek / science lover. I think that nerd culture and science have an almost infinite range of possibilities and new storylines - but this is because this is my life and these things will always be of interest to me.

    My position is that "the subjects of relationships and character growth have a limited life span". This stuff has been rehashed on a million shows so what could possibly be new about those? The only way to keep this stuff interesting is to keep pushing it more and more to the extreme. That’s how we get Penny and Raj hooking up, Amy hitting on Penny, Leonard turning into more and more of a douche, and the destruction of the Sheldon character.

    I doubt that the show will get back to it's roots. They have made the characters, in my opinion, so unlikeable now. They have lost their original innocence.

    Moonbase, again, made a good point that the show is now ABOUT nerds. I would go even further and say that the humour is now often at the expense of nerds rather than being made within the nerd culture. It's as if they know that the show is now aimed at a non-nerd audience who laugh when nerds do silly things (train engine in mouth) or who think it is funny when nerds get bullied.

    Totally agree. Compare season 1 to season 5. even the dialogue is dumbded down to the norm

    All television series evolve and grow, otherwise we would get bored and give up. I think that TBBT has grown in a sensible way, with the wedding of Leonard and Bernadette being a fitting ending for Series 5. If it has dissapointed you or you have lost your way with it, don't post anymore. Move onto something fresh and allow the remaining fans to have their fun.

    Errr Hello...Simpsons, Frasier; 2 longest running series.. the characters didnt evolve...their situations may have changed but the characters remained the same throughout. 3rd rock from the sun also springs to mind. Those writers were able to make the comedy stay high class without having to "evolve" the characters. I think we all know that the evolution in this show is to soap up the characters so they will climb the ratings.

    As I've said in another post, where did this rule come from that sitcom characters HAVE to evolve or the show is doomed to fail? It's Always Sunny is on its eight season and the characters are still the same, still in the exact same situation they were in in season 1. Seinfeld ended after 9 seasons with the characters still in the same situations they were in in the first season as well. Curb Your Enthusiasm is still mostly the same after 8 seasons. All of these shows were successful.

    Bang on.

    When I watch Curb your enthusiasm I don't expect characther growth. I just laugh. But I don't invest in the characters. I don't really care about them. Because they are almost cartoons. Because, like you said, they are not realistic.

    Ta, daaa....yes, that's also why I watch comedy. Unfortunately with TBBT the laughs have become much scarcer due to the time spent on soap-opera plots in the last 2 years.

    For example, Sheldon was perfectly content being single but, because some of the viewers think a romantic relationship is a pre-cursor for happiness and success in life, they expect the same for the character. The result is Sheldon acting OOC and losing much of what made him funny in the first place.

    Possibly the best comedy character ever created is slowly being turned into a stock rom-com character. When I saw (or rather read in a taping report) thre last scene in se05 I decided,that was it for me with this show. I am going to leave after the summer break and remember Sheldon as he was rather than continue to watch his decline into comedy mediocrity.

    Which can be refuted by at least 20 shows off the top of my head which major character growth. The Fresh Price, Family Matters, Cosby Show, Home Improvement, Simpsons, South Park, Family Guy, Married With Children, Murphy Brown, Boy Meets World, The Jeffersons, Happy Days, Flintstones, et. I could keep going, but you get my point.

    I have highlighted the shows I know of and NONE of them show evolution of characher. The characters remained the same throughout the run. The only evolution was within episodes where the characters "learned a lesson" (standard feel-good ploy) but still retained their basic charachteristics throughout the lifetime of the show.

    Anyway, my conclusion is as follows: it's tough to write a comedy for several years! The jokes grow old, the situations grow old, the show becomes boring. And as a writer, you are caught between two types of fan - one like 4ofN, who doesn't like change, and one like me, who gets bored even when the show evolves. It's a no win! Poor writers.. :icon_lol::icon_cheesygrin:

    Well Frasier lasted 11 years and in my opinion was funny right until the end. Possibly because they werent trying to muck around with the characters....and just wrote jokes!

  8. "And Sheldon can suck on.... the Kashmir Effect"

    Who was thrown away like "last nights chutney"?

    from the quiz episode

    :icon_cheesygrin:

    Glad you liked that one shelly...it was a great line

    anyway, to to the others... the so-called Bonus question which is not part of the main quiz is... what EPISODE was First Aired on CBS a couple of days before this thread started.

    The question was originally posed as a WOW factor but is now rapidly becoming a "how can we get rid of this guy" (i.e. ME) question

  9. After that first electron joke, I was hooked...and the stairs joke,and and the boards (Sheldon getting the sarcasm in early about Leonard's board), Sheldon's spot, Sheldon slagging off Penny (only took 9 minutes) :icon_cheesygrin:..Leonard's paradox explanation.

    Listen to Leonard's conversational style with Sheldon ahfter Penny went into the shower. He doesnt do that anymore. Pity. That nerd dynamic was nice.

    “Stop saying coitusâ€. Brilliant

    I would just LOVE that shower curtain

    Howard (about Raj) “He's kind of a nerdâ€..........excellent.

    I notice in this episode that raj cant talk TO women but can talk in their presence.

  10. Well I reckon we should spend the time going back over the series from the very start and reopen the old episode threads...and if there isnt one there for an episode...start one!

    I was thinking of x# of episodes per week but everyone will have their own speed so just pile in with comments after (or while) you watch the episode.

    Are you game?

    Good.

    See you in series 1!

  11. 406 (I had to watch it again)

    What sea was the first crossword puzzle answer that Loenard gave in the very 1st episode?

    Bonus question: what episode aired a few days before this thread started?

  12. I just hope it's positive, in general. It's all I'm hoping for.

    I suppose that depends what you want from the show

    I know break-ups only happen at the beginnings of the seasons, as far as this show goes. I just don't want any break ups or anyone dying, pretty much. Lol. That's what I meant by "positive."

    I was talking about the direction and theme for the next season. I have read the taping report but wont say anymore..just that its not a cliffhanger like the last one but seems to give an indication about where they are going next

  13. It's just something natural...happens to me to...it's hard to like someone if you talk to the person and the voice is wierd.

    True. Or if they have a whistle, that distracts the heck out of me.

    Like the old geezer in Family Guy?

    Regarding Bernadette's voice I thought it was interesting that they would go that way as normally the one with the high-pitched voice in American sitcoms tends to be stupid or scatter-brained. Its that type of character that annoys me rather than the voice itself

  14. Very few people think logically and especially women. For proof of that look at the choices women make. There are always exceptions to every rule but in general women prefer their "bad boys". If women thought logically and made decisions about men based on logic, we wouldn't have the situation we have with girls choosing jocks over nerds in high school. Actually though, if women thought about the men in their lives and choose their mates based on logic the human race would die out in one generation. Nerds are just as fallible in their own way as jocks are.

    Its all about evolution. There were no nerds in the caves mathematically working out the optimum protein replacement:hunting-method protein depletion ratio.

    Penny would blame Darwin: "That sailor guy who invented evolution"

  15. Didn't like this one.

    It's a good episode in theory, nice guest appearance, amusing situation with Sheldon and Howard.

    but the end product, what the episode actually is: not funny.

    The show should stick to the guys getting into socially awkward situations. That was my favourite part of the show.

    The humor, I like unexpected humor, like when it surprises you. The humor in this episode is the complete opposite. It's very old fashioned really. ("LOL SHELDON FELL DOWN!")

    Agree with you here

    Doesn't really make much sense either, the gags with Sheldon & Howard. I mean the amusing part of the chores/things Howard makes him do, is supposed to be derived from how Sheldon feels about it IMO.

    Without that feeling there is no tension whatsoever and the humor is nonexistant unless you're dumb enough to not care about logically what the characters feelings would be.

    For the belt buckles, they said Sheldon had an infinite patience in a recent episode. I'm sure he wouldn't mind polishing thousands of belt buckles in one session.

    I think it'd make more sense for him to enjoy it, actually.

    And the other part of the gag, that Howard brings out so many. Honestly, who didn't expect that?

    "Hey Sheldon, I need you to shine my belt buckles, I have all five of them here."

    You'd have to be a half wit to find that bit amusing.

    and the other gag, the maid costume. Pretty stupid.

    "LOL LOOK! SHELDON IS WEARING WOMENS CLOTHING! HE'S WEARING A SILLY COSTUME! HAHAHAA"

    So stupid.

    In many other episodes, Sheldon makes a complete fool of himself in public without even being aware of it.

    He doesn't seem to understand or care when he's acting strange or unreasonable.

    Why would be embarrassed to be seen in that outfit?

    There's no tension.

    I think that was done for the audience to be on Howard's side, and enjoying the reaction of the others regardless of the effect on Sheldon. Im glad to see they kept Sheldon in character in this and other scenes. The other main scene in which they did so was with Howard's mom in the changing room. With any other male character in this or any other sitcom, (Al Bundy, anyone?) the character would have been disgusted at the prospect of shovelling her into a dress. As Sheldon does not judge people based on sex-appeal , however, he showed no major adverse reaction to the task. It was like when S & Amy were in a car previously when Amy tried some eomtional blackmail/reverse psychology to get Sheldon to go with her..and he totally failed to spot it and stayed home. That was a great moment for keeping Sheldon true to character. I also enjoyed the Schadenfreude or reading posts from people giving out about him being so mean and uncaring.

    That was one for us who like Sheldon just the way he is, thank you very muchski.

    Im surprised nobody has mentioned my favourite line in this ep where Howard, after giveing S the black light..."by the way, for your own peace of mind, you may not want to wave that around the room", with a quick glance at the ceiling...followed by a quick Mr. Bean shuffle from Sheldon before he, too,looks at the ceiling. Excellent old-skool sleazy Howard.

  16. This is actually a bit of a sore point with me.

    The US exports TV shows all over the world (Some of them are VERY good), but rather than importing good ones from other countries the US TV producers show absolutely no faith in their audience, rather than allowing them to grow and learn about other cultures US TV producers take shows from other countries and make pale and weak imitations. totally devoid of the chemistry that made the originals excellent.

    This culture of copying has also extended into the movie industry with a litany of remakes and derivative movies. Producers need to "Grow a pair" and have more faith in original work IMO.

    [/rant]

    The BBC are normally on the cutting edge of comedy. As they are publicly funded rather than advertisement-driven they are prepared to go beyond the standard-formula-with-a slight-twist. Check out The League of gentleman whivh started waaay back in 1999...you can see how this led to Little Britain.

  17. the 3 parts have been cleared , and are available now.

    THANKS-FOR THE LINKS,

    HOW CAN I GET 2 PART.

    WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM IN ROW.:icon_cool:

    Click on my user name and then the video tab. it's up there..with the interesting stairway bit, and a costume room full of t-shirts!:icon_biggrin:

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