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  1. The fact of the matter is that the "new car smell" of the relationship, which is at least partially what they had going on in season three is no longer there. But that happens with all long term relationships, whether or not people want to admit it. At this point in time I wouldn't bank of the writers presenting Leonard and Penny as a couple who can't seem to keep their hands off each other anymore. More or less we'll get some sweet moments between them now and again, some tense moments now and again, but most of the time there are going to be shown in a much more casual atmosphere the way they are in most episodes. For anybody who's looking or hoping for more are going to be sorely disappointed. Leonard and Penny have been moved into ordinary couple territory and I don't see the writers going back because they already have the ideal "oddball/quirky" relationship in the form of Sheldon/Amy.
  2. Hypocrisy knows no bounds there.
  3. DPK

    Season 6 spoilers

    It's an obvious by product of the writers having to write for the two additional full time cast members. This doesn't just affect L/P, it effects just about any other potential story-line you could do with two characters. There's also less Sheldon/Leonard scenes, less Howard/Raj, I'd say Raj has taken the biggest hit because with two new additional females that have to be included in scenes that gives him even less potential time to be on screen where there's no female present and therefore allowing him to speak.
  4. DPK

    Season 6 spoilers

    What's also strange about it is that it was Sheldon who got all of them into trouble in the first place. The least he could do was find a way to mitigate the damage he caused.
  5. Given the actors re-upping on their contracts after next year, the show is going at least 8-9 years. Chances are it will go even 10. Problem is the quality will drop but corporate greed always wins out over common sense. It's a nice fantasy, of somebody in power saying: "Hey now, why don't we quit while we're ahead and go out on a high note instead of dragging everything out until the shows demise comes across more like a mercy killing". Realty though is something like this: "Lets milk this sucker for all it's worth, money money money money money money money.....MONEY!".
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    Season 6 spoilers

    Medieval Times is overpriced. Food isn't that good, the beer isn't that good, and frankly the show itself isn't really good anymore either.
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    Season 6 spoilers

    Penny still has a very naive view on just what "real love" is. With the exception of Kurt, she's been involved in nothing by short term flings up until Leonard. I think the only reason she was with Kurt as long was for very shallow reasons. He represented the peak of the male specimen physically speaking. She was never going to get another guy as close to that physical "perfection" as Kurt so she stayed with him as long as she possibly good regardless of the fact that their relationship clearly had no substance at all. In Penny's mind, forever is a long time. So the idea of being with anybody for that length of time scares her.
  8. Sides that have been released for the episode indicate that Penny also knows the bride to be as well. So it's pretty obvious that things ended badly. Seeing the guy again probably brought up some painful memories.
  9. We got the explanation for him peeking in the episode. Now of coarse the Shenny's will rewrite the context like they do on everything else. The peeking was due to Sheldon following the hero/damsel convention in which the hero of the story usually gets to see the damsel completely naked/partially naked. I would call that a continuity gaff before I would call that a deliberate teasing of the Shenny fanbase. At this juncture the writers have more important things to worry about then how a vocal minority in reacting to direction they are taking the show. Unless knowing the exact details of of a previous episode was going to be crucial in the writing a current one, in say the way that Bill and Chuck actually went back to re-watch the pilot episode before they started working on the 100th episode, I rather doubt the writers of The Warewolf Transformation went back and watched the The Adhesive Duck Deficiency to make sure that Sheldon didn't actually say he saw her breasts as well as her bottom in that episode so that they could deliberately say he actually saw more than he initially says he did.
  10. As long as I've been around a geek has always been defined as somebody who is passionate about a certain subject or thing. Be it a subject such as history or a thing like comic books. Again as long as I've been around a nerd is/was(before the age of nerd pride)a derogatory term used to describe somebody who had a high measure of intelligence on an academic level but didn't really have much in the way of social skills. A person could be a nerd or geek separately and sometimes qualify as both. All these recent debates about who was what I was finding rather odd because I though it was pretty obvious. Leonard=both Sheldon=both Raj=both Howard=both Amy=nerd Bernadette=nerd Penny=actually qualifies as a geek given her love of shoes, fashion, and shows such as Sex In the City. While she would probably never label herself as such she does technically qualify as one.
  11. I don't see any pregnancies until the very end of the show.
  12. Because he also knows or should know by now how flighty Penny gets when it comes to major progression in their relationship. She has a history of retreating at almost every major milestone of their relationship. She retreated from the possibility of them being a couple after a good first date. She initially wanted go back to just being friends after their sex life got off to rough start. She broke up with him after he told her he loved her the first time and she felt he wasn't ready to say it back. These are all her reactions to major events in their relationship that were directly preceded by things "seemingly go well" between them in general. Leonard really has no reason to think that Penny would be ready to live together at this juncture giving what he knows of their past. Especially given the fact that her declaration of love was done in the heat of a moment and we've yet to see her deliberately say it to him. Which really means that had events not transpired the way they did that mostly likely Leonard would still be in the dark about whether or not Penny really loves him. Living together is often a major step/milestone for a lot of couples because it usually results in making or breaking the relationship. It can be a lot easier to be a little more secure in a relationship when you know you have a safety net to escape to when things go wrong or you are not comfortable for whatever reason. Living with that person takes that security away because there's no place to escape to. Granted if Leonard and Penny are going to get married, have kids, and all that crap one day then living together is going to be a must eventually. But it makes perfect sense that Penny isn't ready for co-habitation yet and again given what Leonard does know about their collective history it kind of blows my mind that he would make such a bold assumption that she was when everything he does know should tell him that she probably wouldn't be. Her talking about how things would effect Sheldon was obviously a genuine concern for Sheldon on her part but also a pretty blatant stall tactic that Leonard should have picked up on.
  13. I know this might get some ire directed my way but.........................DUMB!
  14. I don't think L/P have to be engaged in order for their relationship to progress. They just need to move forward as a couple in regards to their communication level to one another. Even looking at the spoilers for episode 6.15, I would say that both are equally to blame for what happens. Some would rather place more blame on Leonard but that really isn't fair because Penny should have told him flat out that she wasn't ready to move their relationship to that stage yet. She essentially goes along with it and when he finds out that she really doesn't want to live with him in the fashion that he does he simply asks her why she simply didn't tell him, which tells me that had she told him that from the get go he would have been accepting of her wishes at the time. Bottom line is that Penny should have been honest with him from the onset and there's really good reason whey she shouldn't have been. Should Leonard have thought things through a little better before so boldly assuming that Penny was going to simply be completely okay with the idea, especially given their history....absolutely but here's the rub, twice in that initial conversation Leonard gives her the opportunity to tell him she isn't ready and Penny does not take it like she should have and that's on no one but her. Her comment later is simply her being a drama queen after the fact. Unless the scene plays out completely different Leonard never really ambushes her in any major way, she had two opportunities to put a stop to it during their initial conversation that she didn't take, not only that but she "gives her approval to the idea" and this is what elicits Leonard's: "why didn't you tell me" response. For Leonard's part he should have picked up on her initial hesitation and that should have set off alarm bells in his mind that maybe he was moving just a tad too quickly and probably just halted topic of co-habitation right there, at least for the time being. So I see both of them being equally at fault for this one. But that is large part of the nature of their relationship. My feeling on it is that these things aren't going to split them up but I do think it means that the writers(like it or not)are not going to cut L/P fans a break. I wish the writers would take a more balanced approach with Leonard and Penny but they've repeatedly shown over the years that they really have no interest in doing that.
  15. There is no other place for the writers to go with Leonard and Penny if they break them up again. Them dating others and becoming jealous is the only real storyline available to them and they've already gone down that road. Leonard isn't the kind of guy who is going to break up with her, emotional issues and all, especially after finding out that Penny loves him and is afraid of losing him. There may have, at one time, been some credibility of Leonard saying "I've had enough of this merry go round" but that was back when he didn't know where he really stood in Penny's life and just how she really felt about him. He knows, so that changes the game. These writers have never been good at writing comedic misery, at least not from a place of genuine emotional turmoil. The whole Penny being bitter over Priya was not only not funny but was barely tolerable to watch. I don't think the audience would be willing to give L/P a third chance if they were going to do another break up, even if it was Leonard doing dumping this time around. At that point the audience would be rooting for Leonard to find someone who is ready and is willing to love and be committed to him. Besides all that there is NO RULE, anywhere in the story-telling medium when it comes to writing for television, or any other medium for that matter that the main couple CANNOT BE TOGETHER/GET TOGETHER until the very end of the show/program. The only real rule is that the relationship cannot be completely free of conflict. You can achieve this without breaking a couple up.
  16. That is the major problem with another break up. It just wouldn't be credible for them to end up being endgame on the show. It would make both characters look really bad. Penny for obvious reasons but Leonard too because, he would just look plain stupid for going back to her a third time. If she dumps him yet again, that should just signal to Leonard that Penny simply isn't capable of commitment to him and he's simply wasting his time and efforts on her and that he would be better off in the long run of looking for somebody else who will be able to love and commit to him. Besides that, I just don't see the general audience being behind the pair anymore if another break up were to happen. I think another break up would be the last straw for much of the general viewing audience when it comes to these two. The Leonard/Penny relationship already falls behind in popularity to Sheldon/Amy and I would even argue to an extent(although not nearly as much)Howard/Bernadette just because of how much annoying melodrama the writers dump on the relationship.
  17. I can understand a little bit of the irritation. If there is one thing about the Leonard and Penny relationship that is annoying is the writers tendency to go for the the melodrama so much of the time. It really is starting to get old and tiring. While I don't think this will be something that will break them up the way some will automatically jump to that conclusion, it would be nice if for once we could actually get a major L/P story that didn't involve some kind "snag" for their relationship.
  18. I would wait until the episode airs before making a huge deal over it. This is just a little TV guide blurb which are usually cryptic at best when it comes to revealing anything significant when it comes to these little blurbs. This really shouldn't be a surprise, the sides indicate that Leonard is going to propose again, and it was most likely not going to end well for him initially.
  19. Exactly. Priya was much more aggressive in her approach and she didn't stop until she succeeded. Penny at least eventually gave up and realized that she had to accept Leonard for who he really was, fashion sense and all. Since then, we haven't seen her attempt to outwardly change Leonard in anyway. So Penny is a better person than Priya in that sense.
  20. Family Matters is a terrible attempt at an analogy for a couple reasons. One is that the Steve Urkel character took over that show completely in a way no character has taken over a show before. Not even Sheldon(who people have argued had taken over the TBBT, which I agree he has a bit)has taken over TBBT theory to level that Steve did FM. Also keep in mind that Sheldon has always from day one was considered one of the principle characters whereas Steve originally was only intended to appear in a couple of episodes and it was the characters overwhelming popularity that kept him around so that meant games changes were in order from whatever the original vision of the show was going to be. Two is that they considerably normalized Steve before finally putting him and Laura together because there was no way Laura was ever going to fall for the crazy stalker Steve that she had been dealing with the majority of the shows run and the writers knew that so they had to make some big changes. Mryna never had the popularity that Amy's character enjoys precisely because she was simply a female version of Steve and one Steve was all the audience could handle or even wanted whereas the writers of TBBT were smart enough quickly evolve Amy through her social interaction with Penny and Bernadette so that she still was the best candidate to be Sheldon's girlfriend but different enough where she wasn't a complete female Sheldon like she arguably was in the beginning. It's really all a moot point anyway because Family Matters often serves as a cautionary tale for writers and producers of television as an example of what can happen when you allow your creative vision to be dictated by a vocal minority. Almost everything regarding Steve Urkels character on that show came about because the writers were allowing that small vocal minority of the fan base to influence their decisions about where the show was going because those fans kept demanding more Steve. Almost every other character on the show got the shaft because of it. Carl was the only character to not suffer over this because of the on running storyline with Steve looking for a father figure so that almost always played out in the episodes. Again it's more apples and oranges. But that is the their way. They only look on the surface level of things but when you get down to the nitty-gritty both shows are completely different animals and the circumstances from which these elements spring up are completely different.
  21. DPK

    Season 6 spoilers

    It has to do with making sure that people who've never been to a taping get a chance to get in.
  22. This supposed "deep friendship" is also one of those things that the Shenny people have largely written into the couple themselves. For the most part Sheldon and Penny have always been written has two people who more often than not tolerate each others presence. They are friends but they are the kind of friends that can only spend a small portion of time together before each others "quirks" get on the others nerves enough where they want to kill each other. It's what makes their scenes so funny. It seems at least some of them are making a probable connection to their past harassment of one of the main producers to the lack of any significant Sheldon/Penny scenes. But yet some of them are still asking them about it. What's funny, in reading some of those comments is that they come across as believing in the delusion that their group EVER represented a significant portion of the fan base. They've always been a vocal minority even back in the heyday when the Sheldon/Penny scenes were at their very best. That's because most people could tell the difference between comedic chemistry and romantic chemistry and know that the two don't always go hand in hand.
  23. Priya was also very controlling and she never accepted him for who he was and that is not conducive to lasting relationship. Penny by and large has.
  24. DPK

    Season 6 spoilers

    I'd say your analysis is dead on. These two people are obviously people that Penny knows from the past. Yes I think Matt was probably a guy she dated at one time and may have even been a serious BF but then Gretchen came into the picture and stole him away. It's pretty clear from the dialog that Gretchen is somebody Penny knows as well, she might even be somebody that she befriended only to be betrayed by said friend. While Leonard usually comes off as being more insecure when it comes to an ex(I am leaning on Matt being an ex)boyfriend of Penny, Leonard knows that Penny loves him and that takes a huge burden of uncertainty off of his shoulders and he would therefore would come across much more securely than he has in the past. Also by this point in the episode it seems clear that Leonard and even Bernadette aware of whatever past connection Penny has to these people. As for Leonard being drunk, I don't think so because the script would indicated it. The other reason is that Leonard does have a tendency to whip out the cheesy lines when he's trying to be funny or he's trying to defuse a situation. So his "romance ninja" lines are in character for a sober Leonard. While I'm not a fan of drama either when it comes to these two, I think unfortunately TPTB have chosen L/P relationship as the relationship that has the "real drama" out of all the couples. Howard and Bernadette are "normal and boring" couple. Sheldon and Amy have "comedic drama" in their relationship. I think Leonard is going to propose again but at the same time Penny is going to have to either say "yes" or say "no". We've already seen her tell him "no" already after the first proposal. Having her tell him "no" in the restaurant seems redundant. I think Penny witnessing Matt and Gretchen's engagement and clearly being upset by it is going to be used to spur her her into saying "yes" when Leonard does the impromptu proposal. The problem here is that I don't see the writers having Leonard and Penny get married yet. The only two ways I could see this ending is after a cool down period Penny realizing that while she loves Leonard she isn't ready for marriage. This will obviously hurt Leonard and cause some initial drama in their relationship that I think they would ultimately work through. Penny would have to make an amends of some sort and I think what it would be is a premeditated "I love you" to Leonard. While the first time she told him she loved him was completely off the cuff and in the heat of a moment, it was unplanned, but she clearly meant it and Leonard knew she did but there is a difference between being told in that fashion and being told in the romantic fashion. I think being told in the romantic fashion is something Leonard still very much craves and it is something that still hasn't gotten from her. The other way it could go is Penny says yes and it leading to a VERY LONG ENGAGEMENT, as in a few more seasons long. Either way I don't see Leonard and Penny getting married by the end of season six or even the beginning of season seven. As for Penny looking bad. I don't think the TPTB particularly care of any of the characters may look bad in any given situation. These are the same writers/producers that had Leonard, Raj, and Howard falsify scientific data, which is the biggest cardinal sin a scientist can make.
  25. DPK

    Season 6 spoilers

    No that was Mike. I think Leonard is going to propose again. There's no other reason to have him get down on one knee after having witnessed what they did if that was not the writers intention. Here's the thing, I don't see Leonard and Penny getting married yet, but the Matt and Gretchen thing clearly bothers Penny for some reason and I could see her saying yes in the heat of the moment just to make herself feel better about what it happening. Leonard will of coarse be thrilled, but then later on Penny will realize that she only said yes for the wrong reasons and she'll have tell Leonard that she isn't ready to to get married. Leonard is going to be upset and this will cause major strife that they will have to work through. Some will probably say that this would cause Leonard to break up with her, but I don't think so, he loves her too much at this point and would be willing to accept this with the belief that one day Penny will be ready, but I do think this is going to cause problems for the relationship.
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