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  1. I agree with the comments so far. I LOVED Sheldon in this episode. He's been kinda wonky since the beginning of season 5, but there were so many parts where it shows some of his old habits have stuck around and somewhat "adapted" to the new Sheldon, and it worked really well this episode. Even the bits with just the girls were well done IMO. Heck, everyone was good this episode. Raj and Stuart weren't embarrassingly pathetic (and trying to get some ladies, just like the single Wolowitz days), Leonard wasn't super clingy, Amy wasn't creepy, Bernadette wasn't Howard's mom (don't get me wrong, I find it funny, but they relied on it a little too much in Season 5), and Sheldon wasn't an unnecessary ass. Whoever wrote this episode, get them to do more. The balance in this episode was perfect! I kinda got a bit of the soul of the earlier seasons in this one!
  2. We discussed a lot of the contradictions in this thread.
  3. I'm certain I've unintentionally memorized huge chunks of episodes just by playing them in the background. I'm always on the computer doing all kinds of work, so I play TBBT for background noise. So no, I don't find it weird.
  4. Out of curiosity, do you happen to know what the original line was before they changed it?
  5. I think the people who watched the series in one straight shot have an advantage. I watched Season 1-4 in a row, and I thought the whole thing was great. Then when I started watching Season 5 one episode at a time on TV with everyone else, I felt like the show wasn't as funny as it used to be, and agreed with many of the complaints. I'm still enjoying an episode here and there, but nowhere as often as the previous seasons. I wonder if there's some kind of influence that comes with only watching one episode at a time that makes people overly critical. I'll see when I rewatch Seasons 1-5 again and see if it changes my perspective.
  6. I see it as an extension of the clause that said that hand-holding is ok for moral support during flu shots. It may not be a flu shot, but it's definitely moral support.
  7. Thought you guys might appreciate this one:
  8. On one hand, lots of fans see Subtext, hints, and evidence where there really isn't; So so true in this fandom. A big problem with that is that they try to place these characters into our world, our reality. Our reality is static. Theirs is dynamic. Their lives and histories don't have to be a straight solid line, or even make sense. We've already heard Bernadette say her mom ran an illegal day care center, then later said her mom worked and Bernie had to take care of her brothers and sisters. This is a contradiction. Put it into our world, it doesn't make sense. Why would Bernie's mom work at an illegal daycare, in her own basement even, and not let her own kids go? But in the TV world, it doesn't have to make sense or be consistent, it just has to make us laugh. Prady was asked about this via twitter, he responded that Bernardette's mom worked outside home before getting the illegal daycare center. I know, it just seems like a way to repair a previous slip, but at least he cared to came up with an answer That still didn't explain how Bernadette was good with children in one episode, and then hates them in another though. I think that is the bigger issue here.
  9. What about The Work Song Nanocluster, or the Dead Hooker Juxtaposition?
  10. I did not find anything wrong in showing Sheldon having an interest in flags in one episode but not before or after. Since we only see so much of them on-screen, many things about them can come up apparently out of the blue for one storyline, and it's reasonable to assume that it was there but we just didn't get to see that particular interest or activity earlier because it wasn't relevant to previous on-screen events. That itself doesn't make it out of character. For example, Sheldon went crazy over the graphene problem, but we never heard of it again. Or his love of trains, or his love of monkeys, or his suddenly learning Finnish - they've all got one-off mentions. The idea is that Sheldon has a number of offbeat, quirky interests. This one, at least, had an on-screen precedent in his making the apartment flag (which does indicate a sufficient degree of interest in the concept). Also, he has a fetish for knowledge/information of all kinds. I agree that the dressing-up scene at the end was purely for laughs, and can be seen as over-the-top by some. What I enjoyed about that scene was Leonard's expression as he hurriedly made his exit. While you are correct about Sheldon fixating on random things, Fun with Flags was something that he supposedly had planned a year's worth of material for. To be that dedicated to something but not have any background information from the show just didn't sit right for me. The graphene problem was as a whole a physics problem, and we know that he's constantly thinking about that since it's part of his job. He no longer was thinking about the graphene issue because he solved it, as is with any physics topic he would be thinking of at the time. It was also mentioned in several episodes that he likes trains, so there is premise for that, but I'm not sure about the monkeys. As for things like learning Finnish, it's something he quickly picked up when he was formatting his hard drives. As he said, "Once I learn Finnish, I'm not going to learn Finnish again." It's a passing thing for him, and he certain didn't dedicate a whole year's worth of material to learn it. Truth be told though, the Bavarian get-up at the end bothered me much more than the Fun with Flags segment itself.
  11. We can only say his mom loved him. The show has given us zero information that would allow us to draw a conclusion on how much Sheldon's father loved him. We know for certain that Sheldon's dad consistently was trying to teach him football and get him to watch it until he went off to college, he taught him archery, and also how to shoot so close to a raccoon that it craps itself. To me, those sound like activities a father tries to have with his son to bond together. His father was also the one to assure his wife that "you have to take your time with Sheldon." Sounds like a man who cares for his son. Whether Sheldon saw that or not is not the point, we can safely say that both his parents loved him through these attempts. Who said their families were "identical"? What is seriously flawed is an argument which is based on something that was never said. To say they were both loved means just that - they were both loved. It's a simple thing. It's also a huge thing. Whether a person is loved or not as a child plays a big influence on his/her psyche. It's a very interesting factoid. Loving or abusive background is something that often informs who we are as people - it's certainly something that's very important to know if you want to understand what drives a person. Why can't they be compared like that? People can be compared based on anything. Family background is actually one of the very fundamental things that can be easily compared. What I meant to say was that "being loved" isn't binary. You're not just "loved" or "not loved." For example, like I was trying to explain before, we know that Penny's dad loved her, but there were still psychological issues behind it to the point that Penny cries when talking about it. Back in Season 1, before we met her father face to face, would we have thought her father truly loved her? Even with Leonard's mom, I'm sure she does love Leonard, but she just doesn't know how to express it in the conventional sense. She seemed bothered that Leonard didn't tell her he was dating Penny, why would a mother who doesn't care want to know things like that? Every family dynamic is different, and it's very difficult to say for certain people were loved/not loved in their families.
  12. I agree. The rigorous taping of a nerdy podcast, as well as dressing up in that way, were quite consistent with Sheldon's character. I did initially feel that the dressing up was a bit OOC for Amy, but then we have to remember that she has changed a lot since the time Sheldon lamented 'she's not the free spirit that I am'. Here is my take, I don't know if other people who didn't like Fun with Flags will agree with me. For one thing, Sheldon has never mentioned in all 5 seasons that he has a deep interest in flags. The only time he ever mentioned a flag was when he made one for their apartment. To me, it sounded like the writers were thinking about what material to give Sheldon and went, "Hey, Sheldon mentioned he had a flag for their apartment, maybe we can write him in an episode where all he talks about is flags, because he clearly loves flags based on that one instance." And then he never mentions flags ever again after that. The OCDness of it was what his character would do, but why this subject? The costumes at the end also bothered me. While yes, Sheldon does wear costumes, that was always for cosplaying comic book characters and some such. The costumes he and Amy wore for Fun with Flags was just for cheap laughs from the writers, as in, "Ha ha, look how extreme they've gotten with their podcast! Don't they look ridiculous?!" Best way to describe it, it showed Sheldon's personality, but not his character.
  13. I think people have forgotten that Penny's father wasn't perfect either. He wanted Penny to be a boy and treated her like one until she hit puberty. This obviously doesn't mean that he didn't love her, but seeing that Penny mentioned that he sent her a catcher's mitt for Christmas in Season 3, he still has underlying issues about it. This could be the reason for her experimenting with drugs (the bag of "potpourri"), sleeping around (it was mentioned twice that she took a pregnancy test when she was young), trying to sort out her identity through other men. As for Mary Cooper, Sheldon mentioned once that she smokes in the car and kept it a secret from his dad. For an "upstanding Christian," this would stand to be a serious vice, probably a form of release for her for some kind of issue she's wrestling with. Not to mention the fight Sheldon described in Season 3 where his mom said Jesus would forgive her for putting ground glass into her husband's meatloaf, while Sheldon's dad skeet shoots his mom's collectible plates on the roof. The fighting clearly had an impact on Sheldon, since now he can't stand it when anyone fights. However, we do know for certain that his parents did love him in the many ways they've shown it. In short, I think to say that their family lives are identical is seriously flawed. And to say that they're both loved doesn't mean that everything was hunky dory either. These two can't really be compared like that.
  14. It really comes down to the writers. Some know how to write the Sheldon character, some don't. The writers responsible for The Vacation Solution and The Launch Acceleration seem to have a good grasp of him and know how to evolve him in a way that doesn't shake the audience out of their suspension of disbelief. Whoever wrote the episode with Fun with Flags seemed to misinterpret him (and Amy) completely. I am looking forward to the next season with the hope that Sheldon will continue to be handled with kid gloves, and ideally move in the right direction so I can continue loving his antics and quirkiness on the show under a new paradigm (namely his relationship status).
  15. We actually did get a teeny tiny glimpse of what this could be like in the Maternal Congruence in Season 3. Sheldon and Beverly psychoanalyzing Leonard's narcissistic personality disorder over a video chat (like parents discussing a problematic child), Sheldon sending a wedding gift from both of them (like a parent taking responsibility for social convention for another family member who isn't as close to the couple), reasoning with Leonard for euthanizing his dog ("She was old and blind, Leonard. What choice did we have?" implying that he made that decision together with Beverly), etc. The only time we see Sheldon act more mature than Leonard is when he's with Leonard's mom. I will say right now that aside from the last example I gave, they could be explained without any familial connection, but it's one possibility of interpreting as such. After saying all that, I do think those bits were humorous, and as long as they kept the relationship as an unintentional implication, I think I'd be fine with it, similar to how Raj and Howard end up saying things to each other that suggest a homosexual relationship but there really isn't anything there. However, with Amy in the picture, that dynamic may not be shown again anyway, so my post is essentially just speculation and observation from a time past.
  16. I would like to add a minor point here: Sheldon DOES think that Penny is attractive as well, we know this from Season 1 ("No one can be this attractive and skilled at a video game"). He even admits that his sister Missy has the symmetry and low body fat that society deems attractive. So Sheldon knows what is supposed to be considered attractive by society's standards, but he chooses not to follow them. When Ramona (the grad student) showed an interest in him, he didn't say anything about how pretty she was, he only mentioned that she was smart. However, since she was pretty much stalking/worshiping him the whole time, he could never see her as an equal (not to mention the borderline stalker behavior that was stifling his fun nerd side). Similar situation with Martha. He could hold an intelligent conversation with her well enough, but again no attraction, even with the common interest in other geeky things like Green Lantern. In this way, we also know that just not any form of smart is enough for Sheldon. Somehow with Amy, he found a kindred spirit whom he has come to really care for, and her intelligence seems to complement his. Only when this connection is established could his attraction start to move to the physical, and he probably wasn't prepared for that. I agree, his imagining Amy's dandruff and shoulders is as in-character for Sheldon as he could get when admitting attraction to Amy. More provocative body parts would be too much and out of character. Btw, love that Dr. Who quote. I did find this very true when it came to guys I dated in the past.
  17. Leonard made it about himself as well, which seems to be the case nearly any time he seems to make a speech nowadays. Aside from that, I did enjoy the episode, although I liked last week's episode more. I liked the reference to Sheldon's dilemmas with gift-giving, and his holding Amy's hand at the end. I was really surprised they decided to show that, but it made me feel warm inside haha. I am however disappointed we didn't get to see Bernadette's mom... or Howard's mom.
  18. Exactly! When she delivers lines about life threatening situations in the high pitched voice, it adds to the appeal/joke. Any other creepiness... Silly little voice, tiny woman, cute blonde = a great character imo. I really like her. Not to mention the hilarious contrast it adds when she yells like Howard's mom.
  19. I wouldn't say his contracts are completely in his self-interest. That earthquake drill in the Friendship Contraction seems to ensure the safety of both him and Leonard. Execution might be a bit annoying, but the intention seems to be concern. His room mate agreement was also how Sheldon determined that Stephanie Barnett was living with Leonard before even Leonard figured it out.
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  21. I actually think there is some merit in the concept of laying down ground rules. Any relationship book will tell you that you and your partner need to establish boundaries, expectations, etc. before progressing too far so that each person knows what to expect and what they're getting into. Sheldon just likes it on paper. Even for friendships, how many fewer times would you be annoyed about your room mate leaving all their dirty dishes in the kitchen sink if you both discussed a policy of washing all your own dirty dishes? Again, there doesn't have to be a legal document outlining all these things, the key is to talk about them. For Sheldon and Amy though, the signed agreement seems to work since they don't like talking about personal things.
  22. Howard spoke to Wil briefly in the bowling episode. We don't know how often they spoke after that though.
  23. And in The Trinket Maneuver, Sheldon was playing Red Dead Redemption, with Leonard mentioning Grand Theft Auto. There was another episode where the guys were also playing Donkey Kong Jenga but I can't remember the episode that was in... the one where Bernadette hates children. Also, there was a whole episode essentially dedicated to Star Trek with Leonard Nimoy's cameo. In the 100th episode, Sheldon also ordered a cardboard cut-out of Spock, and then lamented it was Zachary Quinto (loved his "live long and suck it" line). And just in the last episode, Amy played Mario music. These are just some examples at the top of my head, I know there are more. They are still doing geeky stuff, it just feels different because there are more characters to delegate screen time to.
  24. Except we do know that Sheldon wants to be in the relationship. He was the one to chase after Amy on her date with Stuart and present the relationship agreement. If he didn't want it, he certainly wouldn't hesitate to say that he wanted to terminate the relationship. He just doesn't know how to act like a boyfriend (or how to be close to another human being for that matter), but we can see that he's slowly learning. Every time they hit a snag, he attempted to solve the conflict as a boyfriend (the tiara, the Cooper Coupons, etc.) You can also see in this episode that he's slowly starting to develop affection for Amy. As Mary Cooper says, quoting her husband, "You have to take your time with Shelly." Sheldon is slowly learning about what it's like to care for someone, and it's distracting him from his work, which is usually his topmost priority. I'll bet that in some episode in the future, Sheldon will realize that his relationship is distracting his thought processes and he'll have to choose between a focused intelligent mind or a serious relationship with Amy. Oh, and I forgot to mention in my last post that I was delighted to see the three-dimensional chess set make a comeback. :D
  25. I agree with most of you. This episode was great! I loved the Shamy interactions, Amy drawing on her neurobiology expertise to weasel into Sheldon's brain (and his comment on how he was working on a physics equation and then all the particles rearranged into Amy's dandruff - I lol'ed so much ), and Sheldon staying delightfully in character while still evolving into a human being. I think the book they were referencing came from The Benefactor Factor in Season 4. Leonard just came back to the apartment after Mrs. Latham kissed him, and Sheldon said, "Why?" and Penny said, "Okay, we can't keep explaining everything to you, read the book we gave you." As for Howard being completely scared about going into space now, I think it's because he had to undergo insane training NASA (we all remember that episode I'm sure). Before when he was excited, that was before he knew how much physical work he had to do for preparation. He did a good job too freaking out the whole time. And yay for seeing Bernadette's dad! If I'm not mistaken, I believe we'll see her mom too. :D I'm also a little disappointed with the big reveal about what Leonard said to Penny. I remembered lots of people on this forum speculated that he would ask her to marry him, and I thought "I hope not, that would be too stupid and predictable," so when he actually did say it, my face just kind of went deadpan. It's not fun when the reveal is so predictable, although the follow-up was funny. It's kind of nice to see at least they have matured since Leonard's "I love you" in Season 3. Penny said no, and that they're still dating, but it's weird. Her natural tendency to run away from true intimacy is slowly changing, and that's nice to see.
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