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  1. I do say nominations mean something, not everything but definitely something. And thing is, I don't think any of them is a better actress than the other, and actually, from what I've seen of them none of them strike to me as a an all-round actress, but, in they other hand, they both are, in my opinion, terrific comedic actresses who are perfect for the roles they respectively play at TBBT. So, nominations (which you had firmly insisted mean nothing as to who is a better actor) can nonetheless become a valid measurement point as long as someone has at least two of them for two very different characters? But if you don't know what supporting arguments are valid, how can you be so sure that the ones that are being given are not valid? And I could also point out that when they were younger both were nominated for the same award (different years, obviously) and that Mayim won it and Kaley didn't, also, if you want to point out that in the case the award both had won, Kaley's was one of a "higher category", I could also mention that Kaley apparently has won two worst actress awards last year (altough those were in a supporting actress category anyways), but, ok, since we have agreed that noms and wins are not really relevant, let's leave that aside. As I see it, acting is something that can be very difficult to measure in an objective way, because it appeals directly to the audience's emotions. Then that's why we retort to more easily measurable concepts, like nominations or salaries, but at the end of the day, what really matters is what a given actor/actress make us feel, something that, obviously is not going to be the same for all and each one of the viewers, hence the difficulty to come to an agreement. Also, while we are here fighting over who of them is the next Meryl Streep, none of them seem to be that much into acting, I mean, Mayim's passion seems to be writing and Kaley's seem to be horse riding. I can easily see them dedicating more time to their respective passions once TBBT is over, with the ocassional TV or film appearance and not breaking a sweat over getting an oscar nom ever.
  2. Thanks I replied to you because your answer to the poster who mentioned the noms was literally "Which really means nothing", because my main point was that, albeit not everything, nominations do mean something. Since you and me agree that noms and awards are a combination of an actor and a character at the right moment, don't you also agree with me that Mayim's nominations were deserved because she got the right character at the right moment and mainly because she played it greatly, or do you think those were undeserved? Perhaps for the same reason you immediately jumped to express your disagreement to the poster who claimed Mayim's superiority over Kaley solely because of nominations but had nothing to say to the poster who previously claimed that Mayim/Amy as an actor/character was even less important than the couch and had no right to have feelings about her fictional relationship? I mean, you care about your girl and I care about mine, I guess? But isn't that a bit contradictory?, you say you don't believe in nominations to measure an actor's talent, yet, at the same time, you say that you'd buy the point of Mayim's superiority if only she had nominations for other something than Amy, then, at the end, are nominations important or not? What would be a valid supporting argument then? Oh, look at Kathy261's post! Sems that the answer was wrong, there was more than zero!
  3. But all good actors/actresses are nominated/awarded for every character they play, otherwise their nomination or win are merely a lucky strike or the result of Hollywood's whim? While I agree nominations or awards are not by any means the one and only reference to measure an actor's ability, of course they have to mean something! if anything, the serendipitous combination of a good performer and a particular character in the right place and the right moment. Because every time Mayim's nominations come up, the same old "noms mean nothing" excuse come up as well, also that she only got those for the type of character she plays, like the only thing anyone has to do is to put on the frumpy clothes and glasses and say a couple weird things and voila!, here's your Emmy nom!, no special talent or ability required! Excuse me, but Mayim is beyond fantastic playing the quirky side of Amy, just remember the tiara scene, the scavenger hunt karaoke and her plenty of wonderful one-liners perfectly delivered. I'm not sure if she has what it takes to be an all-round dramatic actress, but TBBT is a comedy, and she was nominated accordingly, and also rightfully. Give the same crazy lines and appearance to a less capable actress and let's see how many accolades the same odd duck/academy favorite character gets. So, no, I don't think noms or awards are everything, nor that those who doesn't have them are lousy actors, but I also don't think it's fair to suggest the actor's talent has nothing/little to do with getting them.
  4. Sorry, but the Sheldon's stalker's role had always been Ramona's. Amy was created and developed to be Sheldon's soulmate, as outrageous or disgusting that could result to some sensibilities. And regarding Shamy taking the place of the main couple, well, since Sheldon had overpowered the whole show, it's only logical that his own personal/love story is also the one getting more attention and screentime. I'm not saying that's right or fair, but that's how things are right now.
  5. So, Penny has even less self-respect then?, I mean, she married Leonard right after he confessed kissing someone else....
  6. Not that strange, remember she is supposed to be at Princeton.
  7. Ok, I see your point, however, my memory could be failing me, but, as I recall, there was not much of an uproar with the Vanessa thing, I even remember some were supporting him, I do remember my own uprage, not precisely because I wanted him to suffer or to be a sobbing mess, but because I found it infuriating that while Amy's only choices were freaks, TPTB gave Sheldon in his first intent and not really trying an actual model!, who was also brilliant and into geeky stuff, like, really? Leaving that aside, I'm not a fan at all at the way the break up was handled back then, partly because yes, I think that him liking Vanessa would have been very bad, just as I think that Amy liking very much another guy (if there had been something likeable about them, of course) would had been equally bad, because I think that goes directly against one of the essential features of Shamy in particular, which was that they were "the one" for each other, their are not normal individuals, so, to find so fast and easily a replacement would take a lot away from their so called uniqueness. I wouldn't have minded for them to go on dates (as they actually did), but I would have liked for the excercise to be not as futile as it was, it would have been useful if only it had served to highlight the fact that no-one was suited for any of them but each other, but anyway, just another dissappointment to the bunch. As you said, no use to rehash the old stuff. Now, regarding hypothetical future stuff, I'm not sure that Amy cheating would be more acceptable/easily forgiven, I mean, a woman cheater in this show? easily forgiven?, moreover, cheating on the golden boy of the show? that would only be if they really were about to dispose the character (as they did with Priya) I can't think of an scenario were Amy hurts Sheldon that much for real and she is allowed to come back and be forgiven and everything is forgotten.
  8. This is a good point, what if Sheldon's "cheating" is something work-related? I mean, I would hate for it to happen, but what if Sheldon gets "carried away" while discussing physics with Ramona and she ends up inserting herself in the Fowler-Cooper collaboration?
  9. I'm sorry, you mean among the fandom "no one" had any problem with Amy going on dates? really? Don't you remembr how she was almost hated by a good part of the shipperdom for daring to think in dating around and for not being a sobbing mess over the break up? And yes, Dave was loved, but only after he was outed as the biggest Sheldon fanboy ever, and after he cheered for his hero to get Amy back, not before, I bet that if he really had been a serious contender for Amy's heart, he wouldn't had had that much of an approval. Now, what I don't really understand is why we are talking about a possible cheater!Amy scenario when the one who is going to be around an "old flame" while his partner is away is Sheldon. Or there was another plot summary that reads: "While away at Princeton, Amy meets a handosme and charming neuroscientist that makes her question her relationship with Sheldon", that I absolutely missed?
  10. From the wording of the plot summary I get that the episode would go similarly to Ramona's first appearence, just like that time the situation looked as if she and Sheldon were in a romantic relationship when in reality there was none and Sheldon was mostly clueless at what the others were seeing, this time the setting would be for the situation to look like as if he was having an affair with other woman while his girlfriend is out of town (hence, the gang being worried about the whole thing) even when that' not what it's really happening and he is again clueless about the implications of, let's say, spend too much time with that other woman or let her cook for him or pamper him and so. Now, what the plot twist would be or how we will get a cliffhanger from that scenario, no idea, to have Amy broke up with Sheldon again over some misunderstanding over Ramona's presence would be weird and cheap (although I don't think the writers are over cheap tricks, of course) unless that, as some of you had been saying, this is just a smoke screen with no consecuences at all and the real cliffhanger of the season would involve other characters.
  11. Agree, also, from the Prom Equivalency episode: Sheldon: I really did think you looked pretty.Amy: You did?Sheldon: Yes. So much so that I started to panic. Altough it seems the writers are determined to avoid like the plague Sheldon's admissions of his attraction to his girlfriend, the attraction exists, it's canon. Besides, come on!, it's just obvious, it's also canon that he loves her, and when you are in love with someone, you are attracted to his/her features one way or another, doesn't matter if those features conform to a so-called beauty standard or not.
  12. What about the critical comments that are more an attack to the actors' appearance than a comment about the character itself? you know, like "unsightly big ass", "bad boob job", "ridiculous shortness" and so on?
  13. So, Amy is absolutely disposable just because she isn't married to Sheldon/has his child? What about the effort they had put in showing Sheldon's attachtment to her? what about the insistence in telling us how sad and lost he was when they broke up? She has been elevated to the status of the only woman the golden boy of the series had ever loved, they are even living together now! I don't think it would be that easy to get rid of her, I mean, of course they "could", but to have her gone and show Sheldon unnaffected would be quite a stretch. Not to mention that a good portion of the audience (believe it or not) would miss her. Honestly speaking, of course they could get rid of the character, just as at this point they could get rid of any of the other characters BUT Sheldon, that doesn't mean she is of no value at all.
  14. But Amy is a fleshed out character, she has a lot of defining characteristics, she has a full name (something that even Penny was denied before becoming a Hofstadter), a career, a back story, hobbies, interests, a personality, virtues and shortcomings, etc. The problem is not that she isn't developed as a character (she is), the problem is that the writers are ignoring that on purpose to be able to use her (as you said) just as a foil for Sheldon, just as Leonard and Penny are being neglected and seem to be activated only when they are going to interact with the golden boy, despite being main characters. Currently, the only ones that are breathing by themselves are Howardette and Halley's nannies, and they are saved basically because they aren't Sheldon's partner (Amy) nor his de-facto parents (Lenny).
  15. First bolded part: Yet, She and and the other girls had never been interested in comic books either, but the episode when they ended up heatedly discussing about them was fun and refreshing, I know that Amy suddenly excited about going to Comic Con would be OOC, but there could had been an inspired twist in the plot that could had explained her changing her mind, as had been said, CC is a big and varied event, for instance, she could had been excited at the chance of cosplaying, after all it has been established as kinda her thing, isn't it? Second bolded part: Girl, you are preaching to the choir! count me among those who would absolutely love Amy to be treated as an individual character on a regular basis again, so much I've started to feel unhappy at the amount of screentime she shares with Sheldon, because most of the time she only acts as her straight man. I'm also aware that in the current state of affairs, if she doesn't share screen with Sheldon, she basically wouldn't appear, as the Lennys of this board can sadly confirm.
  16. I'm sorry, but I didn't read any posts of people coming at Amy for not wanting to go to CC (and you know how protective I am of Amy). I read Serena's post not as an attack to Amy, but as a complaint to the writers for making them unecessarily confrontational over someting that instead could had been used a common ground so both could enjoy that trip to the convention, instead of the same old tired joke of the suffering partner finding the man's nerdy interests ridiculous. I know we just have a little snippet and there's still the chance for that to happen (altough, knowing the writers, I won't keep my hopes too high) So, am I right @serena_1995 ?
  17. Funnily enough, I was just reading the comment section at one of the sources for the renewal news and several posters there were saying that both girls deserved a rise and one of them saying that Kaley could have been easily replaced by other actress, also that the only one that deserved the 1 million was Jim and yes, some more saying that nobody deserved anything because the show was not funny at all (as usual). Not making things up, true story. Please note that that's not how I feel (except for the well deserved pay rise for Mayim and Melissa), I value all the characters, I'm not trying to throw shade to any of the actors, nor to say that those guy's opinions are more valid than yours, I'm just contrasting your take on the general audience's perception and what I've just read.
  18. And you probably won't. Altough IMO it would be fair, to compensate a bit for so many years of scandalous underpayment (as opposed to the other five) and because, like it or not, they are a very important part of the show nowadays. But since as a general rule life isn't fair, they probably won't get such a high rise, but any increase in their salary will be a clear indicative of the interest the network and the producers have on keeping them on board, and that will mean they regard them as valuable for the show.
  19. Sorry but no, her lesser pay reflects that the negotiations for her salary and Melissa's took place and were done before the negotiations that gave the other five's salaries an insane boost were closed, and as a result TPTB/CBS were really lucky for having two actresses in contract for three years doing as much work as the others (sometimes even more) and just having to pay them almost ten times less money.
  20. You are forgetting the fact that she is a supporting character, yes, but she is paired up with the writer's favorite child, so, there's always a chance. We know much more about Bernie's family, for instance, and she is also a supporting character and is not even paired up with one of the main three. Actually, it would be refreshing. You may not be interested (you want Lenny, I know), but given that you will most likely get tons of plots revolving around Sheldon, would you prefer to watch another dozen of the same tired stories of Sheldon-missteps-and-learns-something-he-had-already-learnt-past-season or an episode where you can see something new, for a change? Personally, as an Amy fan, I would like to have at least one or two of those future episodes focusing on her. I know, difficult, but hey!, a girl can dream!
  21. So, every time Amy mentions something sex-related it's either a) Just a medium she uses as an aid for bonding with the other girls, b )An example of the unfortunate habit of mocking the frumpy girl the writers have, c) Just another running joke, the one about the sheer absurdity that anyone could ever fancy Sheldon or d) A throwaway joke. However, every time Sheldon mentions sex, it's an unequivocal sign of his burgeoning and increasingly uncontrollable sexual desire? Okay, point taken.
  22. Hummmm, no, actually the syllogism is much simpler: Proposition 1: Women with average libido like to have sex more than once a year. Proposition 2: Amy is a woman with average libido. Inference: Therefore, Amy, as a woman with average libido, would like to have sex more than once a year. Okay, now you may tell me I don't have enough information to claim that Amy is a woman with average libido (as a reference to over-average and below-overage), well, I tell you that the show had gave me much more evidence of Amy having an average sexual drive than a below average one, as some fellow shippers had told me. Let's also remember her sexual awakening was not with Sheldon, but with Zach, and her reaction to him was honest, she was aroused by him for real, it was not her trying to be like the "cool girls". Then there was Penny, I don't care how many other factors contributed to her crush for her, or if it was only temporary, she truly fancied her. Then her love and desire focused in Sheldon, and that desire, we perfectly know it, is intense and real. Now you had also told me that she is much talk and no action, that if she really wanted to have sex that much she would had had it much earlier, or won't have lasted that much in a sexless relationship. Well, I have a couple notions for you: Emotional Stuntedness, Social Awkardness and Undesirablity. We all know how she was rejected and ostracized in her youth, how badly she suffered bullying and how her mother controlled her (the closet of sins), we all know she also had always been an odd duck, with weird hobbies and interests, not good qualities for popularity, we get to know she was always alone because girls and boys rejected her. Let's also add the ugly factor of undesirability the show had been putting on her, she's not only plain and has a ridiculous fashion sense, she is also unbelievable hairy and make gross noises, I mean, ugh! So, mix everything well and you have a coctel that says: "Yes, she remained a virgin just because she had a below average libido", yeah, right! The other three main guys had many of the same treats, and had little to no action, even when they all were real horn-dogs and were trying all the time, so, having an active sexual life is not just a matter of low or high libido, don't you agree? Then the fact that she stayed in a sexless relationship. Add to the mixture the big problem of being in love. When you are in love, you are fixated in a person, and the desire to be with that one tend to won over the primal desire or the tendency to saciate a merely physical need. Amy was that immature, inexperienced, emotionally stunted, socially akward and hairy virgin that also was madly in love with a man that had issues with physical contact who also remained very unwilling to cooperate to overcome said issues for a long time, but that also gave her hopes of changing, given that she had waited for such a long time, she probably thought she could wait a bit more. So, she stayed because she loved him, plain and simple, she hold back her impulses, that doesn't automatically mean she didn't have them or that they were very low. Love and unexperience was also what probably prevented her to go on a sexual scapade during the break up and what make her get back with him when he asked. Please note that l haven't used the Evil!Writers card to explain my reasoning. Until now. l have BlG problems with the once-a-year deal because it's a thing the writers are doing without caring at all about Amy, unlike other stuff that you can find an explanation in the same narrative (even if you have to squint really hard with some) this one doesn't. They just want to keep their Sheldon weird and, as usual, they don't care about her needs or desires. They make seem like everything is fine by not talking about it, while at the same time they plant insidious seeds of doubt, before birthday sex it was frustration and passive agression, after birthday sex it's coyness, but it's still there, her eagerness to touch his bare legs, her dissapointment when he just wanted to try his new laptop, her hungry stare at his naked body and the train fantasy. She is just there to lust after him but not to act on that lust, even when there's virtually no reason for her to keep holding back, she would just need to ask, but she can't, because she doesn't have a voice. Then, when someone come and tell me that l don't have to worry, that by all accounts she is very happy and that she doesn't have that much of a sexual drive anyway, l'm sorry, but l can't believe it, because logic and what the show had been telling me through the years tell me otherwise. And no, l'm not saying the only thing she cares about is sex, nor that all the other nice stuff going on between them pales in comparison, but it is an important ingredient, not because l say so, but because TPTB had make it that way, the show had focused much, much more on Shamy's sexual life than the other two couples and the single and mingling guy combined, and they just have done it twice! l just would like that the whole situation were more balanced for the two of them for real, is that too much to ask?
  23. See, I used the term "asexual" because, in essence, asexuality is the lack of need to perform sex, which had been the kind of attitude Sheldon has displayed so far, I mean, until this moment he had never expressed his desire to have sex just because he feels like he needs it, the closest could be when he wanted to "make a baby" at Amy's lab, and still, that example remains ambiguos, precisely because procreation was still the excuse. That's why I think that the writers had unintentionally created a portrayal of a romantic asexual in Sheldon, I say unintentionally because I honestly don't think they are interested at all in giving asexuality a representation, but that it was a happy accident in their intent to keep him "unique", they want him to remain dettached to sex, even when involved in a romantic and now sexual relationship. It all is still subject to change according to their whim, of course. Even so, you may be right about the spontaneity thing and how difficult it's for him to not have some sort of control at any point of his life so, you may have a point here too. And I agree completely with you, it's a pity we don't have practically anything of Amy's POV, I really think it would enrich a lot the narrative, also, they are wasting the great comic potential they have with Mayim/Amy, I mean, I feel for the rest of the characters that are also being ignored, but, being completely selfish, if Amy is going to be front center either way for being Sheldon's partner, I wouldn't mind if she were used more effectively.
  24. Thank you for your kind words Spidergirl
  25. My hands are perfectly okay, thanks for the concern hon. Let's just agree to disagree. I'm aware that I have a very unpopular opinion. Most of the time I prefer to hold back my comments and lurk, but everybody need to vent from time to time, I guess. Whoa!, that was short!
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