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  1. This thread is for discussion of Season 10, and spoilers are allowed. Discussion of ideas from previous seasons, unless they pertain to season 10 topics, should go into the non-season 10 thread.
  2. Where's Mayim's nominations for Blossom? The Secret Life of an American Teenager? How about her portrayal of Nancy Kurshan? Or her part in Curb Your Enthusiasm? Or, are you saying she just happen to become a good actor when she started playing Amy? But, that a wouldn't explain The Flight Before Christmas, as that happened while she was playing Amy. So which is it? Are you saying her acting isn't very good, until she plays Amy, when it becomes extraordinary? I see it, as a happens a lot, that she is a good actress who happen to land in a role is different and noteworthy enough that she got noticed for her work. Or, as is far more likely as it is for most actors, actors like Kelsey Grammar and Don Knotts (among so many others) who only got Emmy nods for a particular character and for none of their other work, the character has quite a bit to do with award nominations?
  3. This is the Lenny Season 10 discussion topic. Spoilers are allowed. As this is a Ship Zone, Special Rules apply. Basically, supportive statements about Leonard, Penny, or Lenny, in season 10, are allowed here. In depth discussion or negative statements of other ships, members of ships is not allowed, or discussion about other seasons should go into either the season discussion topic, the Shipping Lanes topic or the specific season or non-season 10 discussion.
  4. Which really means nothing. The character she plays has a lot more to do with the nominations than the acting. In the comedy awards it's much more the characters, than it is the acting. This is not to say Kaley is a better actor than Mayim.
  5. This is the Shamy Season 10 discussion topic. Spoilers are allowed. As this is a Ship Zone, Special Rules apply. Basically, supportive statements about Sheldon, Amy, or Shamy, in season 10, are allowed here. In depth discussion or negative statements of other ships or members of ships, or other seasons, is not allowed, and should go into either the specific season discussion topic, the non-season 10 discussion topic or the Shipping Lanes topic.
  6. Heres's our chance to tell CBS how wonderful things are going with our favorite couple. If you rant or are aggressive, you are less likely to be taken seriously. So, don't rant, be respectful. Simply give your opinions on how you feel the last few seasons have gone and explain what your actions will be, or have been, if things continue to be the same.
  7. This will be the Season 10-11 hiatus thread, for discussion of Season 11 speculation, until the Season 11 Forum is up. Please keep season 10 discussions in the season 10 Thread. We're currently looking at around mid June for the Season 11 Forum to be up and running.
  8. No, it wasn't. Centered on two physicists. Sure, they live together. But that doesn't mean the story isn't told from Leonard's point of view. Why would it? As I said, it can be centered on both of them (after all, quite a bit of the action takes place in their apartment, which would be centered on both of them. However, the viewpoint with Leonard was interested in Penny, not Sheldon is from Leonard's point of view (explaining it to Sheldon). Leonard being interested in Sheldon, not Penny, it also told from Leonard's point of view (Leonard explaining it to Penny). Raj and Howard started as friends with Leonard and state in the first season that it's because of Leonard that they hang out with Sheldon, that's from Leonard's viewpoint. It was also described, by Bill Prady as Penny pulling Leonard out of the nerd world, and Sheldon pulling him back into the nerd world. That can't be told from Penny's point of view or from Sheldon's point of view. Only from Leonard's point of view. Can you explain why saying the show is centered on two people, HAS to mean the viewpoint of the show has to be from both of them? Early in the run of the show, it's Sheldon reacting to mostly Leonard. That's not Sheldon's viewpoint, that's simply Sheldon's reaction.
  9. This thread is for discussion of my Screen Time Project. If you wish to discuss what you consider quality, please start another thread for that.
  10. I can't do GIFs, so I do numbers. I did it over various parts of four days. It also coincided with a fibro flare up, so there wasn't much else I could do.
  11. Fixed, thanks. There was 5:10 in total time for episode 10-7. There was 5:10 in alone time for 10-8, somehow, I got them mixed up. I thought I had already put it up. I did a quick check and I think that it. But, I'm more than willing to be corrected again, if anyone finds something. I think accuracy is more important than me worrying if I got it right. . Starting season nine today.
  12. This is the topic is for off-topic posts from specific season 10 discussion topics . Extended off-topic, non-show discussions may be moved here. It is recommended that if you wish to start a non-show topic, that pertains to the entire forum, use the Chit Chat Topic in the Chit Chat Forum.
  13. OK, I've got the Season Ten screen time's finished. I created the various posts for each of the seasons yesterday, and when the image is put up, most won't see a new post in that thread. However, you will see a new post here, and I'll link to it. You'll notice that I have the main cast members, then the three main ships, then the gang, guys, and girls. Then finally, any other pairings. One thing to note about the show times, the introduction runs 20 seconds. The end credits run 30 seconds. So, if you take 50 seconds off the show time, you'll get the actual running times for the episode (this includes any "Previously on The Big Bang Theory) that may show up. I'm not going to offer any guarantees for times, but it all should be damn close (I'm talking within 20 seconds or so). I'm quite sure the rounding introduced errors here and there. There were also times where I had to make a call as to when someone entered or exited. And I won't rule out addition errors. But, if anyone wants to correct any errors they think they've found, feel free to contact me via PM and we'll discuss it. I still have all my paperwork. All the raw numbers are in the image of the spread sheet. Here are some percentage numbers, (there were 460:45 minutes of total screen time for the year). I've also added a few other things that interest me. Name % of total time. Sheldon 56% Leonard 45% Amy 43% Penny 37% Howard 35% Raj 32% Bernadette 25% Stuart 09% Amy had almost as much time as Leonard and Howard had almost as much as Penny. In terms of couples, Shamy was on screen for 134:05 minutes (29%), Lenny for 100:20 (22%) and Howardette for 63:35 (14%). The interesting part is that of that 134:05 of Shamy time, 62:10 of that, they were the only two people on screen, over 50% of their couple time. For Lenny, 22 minutes of their screen time, were just them on screen, only 22%. For Howardette, 22:30 of their time were alone, 35% of their total time. A couple of things in terms of the raw time numbers. Shamy had more time as a couple, on screen (both by themselves and with others) than Bernadette got by herself. Also, Howardette, although getting a third less total couple time than Lenny, actually had thirty seconds more screen time by themselves than Lenny had. And finally, the most important couple CinnaRaj, were in scenes for four minutes, and forty seconds, more than quite a few other pairings. Feel free to ask me questions, if there are things you don't understand, or want to know.
  14. This is not a knock on you bfm, just some examples of how we have to look at things. And how, exactly, do we determine which comments were made out of love, and which comments were not? One of the reasons for the supportive statement restriction was exactly this problem. Because, for example, we were running into the problem where if one person, who was seen as a Lenny supporter made a negative comment, it was generally thought to be okay. Where as, the same negative comment, made by someone who wasn't a Lenny supporter, was considered a problem. And, of course, we got why was this one allowed, but not the other. Generally, we allow anyone to post in ship threads, even if they aren't members of that ship. All they have to do is follow the rules of that particular thread. We would also have to determine exactly who gets to post. Do we allow only declared Lennys to post? What about those who aren't shippers but have a complaint about Lenny? Do we allow supported statements from non-Lenny and neutral people, or only from Lennys? I think you can see some of the trade off we have to have.
  15. Guys, a Ship Zone is for generally supportive statements for a particular ship, and does not allow negative comments about other ships, or other characters. This is to prevent debate about other ships or characters in a particular ship's thread. Or to prevent negative comments about the particular ship. This thread is a perfect example of the opposite to a ship thread. There were negative comments about Lenny. There were critical comments about Sheldon, and there were rebuttals to the comments about Sheldon. All those would not be allowed in a ship thread. To turn this into a ship thread, all the negative comments about Lenny would have to be removed. All the negative comments about any other characters would have to be removed, and all the rebuttals would have to be removed. A suggestion would be, if you don't want rebuttals to your posts concerning other characters, don't post negative comments about other characters. It may not stop all of the rebuttals, but it will lessen them.
  16. That's a false equivalency though. TBBT is making a huge amount of money, for Warner Brothers. But, CBS is the entity that pays most of the salaries and the licensing fees (another source of income for Warner Brothers). CBS reportedly will be paying approximately 5.5 million for salaries, and 4 million in licensing fees. There's the nine, or so, million it costs CBS for the show. At ~289k per thirty second spot, at an average of 12 minutes per new show, that's around 7 million per show in ad revenue. Hmmmmm, CBS is losing 2 million per show. However, add in the rerun income, and CBS ends up with a profit. If the original five wanted a raise, it would have ended the show, as CBS really can't afford give raises (or an increase in licensing fees,(not that WB would raise it, if they could continue the show, and cover the costs of the crew). If ad rates fall about the same as last year, CBS is looking at around 250k per ad spot. Again, at 12 minutes per show, that would be 6 million per new show, and with reruns, they should make a small profit. For the twelfth season, I'd say they will be right around breaking even.
  17. OK, I finished recording all the times for season 10 tonight. I'll be tabulating them and I'll start posting tomorrow night or Friday. Then it's on to season nine.
  18. Hell, watching TBBT, tracking time, numbers, spreadsheets...what's not to love?
  19. It depends on exactly why you lost your inspiration. For instance, I lost inspiration around season eight, because of how the show was treating Lenny. I got it back, earlier this year, when I realized I could give Lenny the stories the show seems to not want to give them.
  20. The Big Bang Theory finished the season as the number one non-sports show in the 18-49 demo, total viewers, and the 25-54 demo.
  21. Five days to go before the season starts, and so I have this ready for the season, this is the first post in the Season 10 ratings thread. Similar to the last couple of years, here are the plans for the ratings, while TBBT is on Monday: Monday's will have the Live + 3 and the Live + 7. Live + 3 is usually delayed by a two weeks and Live + 7 is usually delayed by three weeks. I usually get the Live + 3 on Sunday so that will be up first, most of the time. I usually put the Live + 7 is up around noon EST (1600-1700) UTC. Tuesday will have the the Live + Same Day ratings. This includes the overnights, including households, demo, and viewers, along with the final daily ratings for TBBT. Households is usually out around 9:30-10 AM EST. The overnight demo and viewers is usually out around 11:30 AM EST. The final daily ratings are usually out around 4:30-5:30 PM EST. Wednesday will have the top ten programs for the previous week for demo and viewers. Also, around noon. Thursday will have the syndication ratings for two weeks previous. Again, around noon. Friday will usually be an off day, but I will occasionally write a post on some kind of ratings information. Other members, if they have the data, have provided the ratings for other countries. In the past members have provided ratings from Canada, Germany, and The United Kingdom. Once TBBT moves to Thursday, on the 24th of October, the order changes a bit. The post for the top ten programs for the previous week moves to Tuesday. The syndication post moves to Wednesday, and the overnight and final ratings posts move to Friday. Thursday becomes the day where an information post will go. While the times listed above are the usual times I get the ratings, holidays, and various other things sometimes delay the information. If it will be delayed (or even not available), I usually try to let everyone know with a post. As I've done for the last several years, I'll be putting up a post on what exactly those terms (Live + SD, Live + 7, demo, etc) mean, and how the ratings are gathered, so new members, who don't know those terms, will be able to follow along. And, of course, if anyone has a question, feel free to post it in this thread and I'll do my best to answer it. I'll also have a post on how TBBT did last year (I did one at the end of the year, but I'll put a shortened version here), compared to 2014-15 and 2015-16, along with how it did compared to other shows last year. There will also be some information on how TBBT repeats did last year (hint, the repeat ratings were higher than the average of all the first run shows). And toward the end of September, I usually get an estimate of the ad rates for the coming year and I have done a post comparing the previous years and the ten shows with the highest ad rates. Tensor Tensor
  22. Part of the problem is, as you say, they developed the characters. Now, when they try to go back to the pre-development humor, it doesn't work as well. Leonard falling back to groveling, or the "he wore me down" doesn't fit the characters anymore, so it seem incongruent, and not as funny. Their dancing, in episode four, although too short, was funny, because it showed a different side of them. Unfortunately that wasn't a lot of that this year.
  23. Actor

    I'm not sure the dogs will even notice. I don't think she will keep it at her house, but at the stable.
  25. My summer project is going to be tracking all the screen times for all the seasons. I've gotten some requests for various seasons I haven't done. And having done a few seasons, I'm going to redo them, so they will all match with the classifications below. I've locked this thread, so if you wish to discuss this, I've created a discussion thread for this. First off, I'm going to track how much time, each of the main cast, is on screen. Doesn't matter if they are by themselves, with their SO, or if all seven are there. If a character is in a scene, even if they they don't talk, or aren't seen in the scene all the time (think of al seven in 4A and the camera focuses in on one person), they count as being in the scene, and they get screen time. As for further breakdowns, here's where it gets tricky, Where I have a couple, or a couple with others. My plan is to go several different ways: 1. I break out romantic couples in three categories. 1A. A couple can be an official couple. In this case, they are officially boyfriend/girlfriend (Examples: Shamy after "Flaming Spittoon", Lenny in season three and after "Recombination" or Howardette, after "Hot Troll"), or the couple is engaged or married. If a couple is official, and they are onscreen, it counts as couple time. But, see section four below. 1B. A couple can act as a couple, even if not official. Example: Shamy in most of "Herb Garden" They weren't an official couple at the time, but they acted as if they were a couple during that episode. 1C. A couple isn't an official couple, nor are they acting as one. An example: Leonard and Penny in the pilot or most of the first and second year. 2. One kind of screen time, for couples, is alone: 2A. If a couple is on screen alone together, they get credited as a couple, even if they are not acting as a couple. NOTE: This overrides some categories. An example would be Penny and Leonard when Leonard is talking to Penny about Alice or Shamy in the lab during "Alien Parasite". They are not a couple, they are not acting like a couple, but since they are alone, they get couple time 3. Another kind of screen time, for couples, is with others: 3A. If a couple are on screen with others and are acting as a couple even if they aren't official, it counts as couple time. Think of near the end of "Herb Garden", with Sheldon and Amy in the kitchen. At that point, they weren't official, but they were acting as a couple. Or Lenny, near the end of "Spaghetti Catalyst". They weren't a couple, but were acting like a divorced couple. 3B. If they are with other characters, and are not a couple or are not acting like a couple, they would simply get individual character screen time. Think the pilot scene, when Penny, Sheldon and Leonard are talking. 3C. If there are two couple on screen, then each couple would get couple screen time. Think of "game night" with Lenny and Shamy. Or the double date with Howardette and Raj and Emily. 4. If there are four or more characters, with only one couple (or even more than one couple with additional characters), it's really going to depend on how the scene goes: 4A. For example, when they are all sitting in 4A eating or say in "Closet Reconfiguration" where everyone is telling Howard their version of what was in the card. There weren't really any couple time there, it was all individual characters, so I wouldn't really give any of the couples, couple time, Or, like the beginning of "Hesitation Ramification" the guys, and Amy were eating, but the guys were all looking at their phones, there really isn't Shamy time there, nor is there really any Lenny time when Penny comes in. All of the characters would get their own time, of course. 4B. This would change if something couple-y happens. For example, in "Friendship Turbulence" The cold open and the first part after the break is the group talking about Penny. Then Leonard and Penny start fighting. Up to that point, it's individual screen time. After and Penny talks about turning down an acting job. Lenny fight. When the fight starts, they would also get couple time. NOTE 4A and 4B are exceptions to if an official couple is on screen, they get couple time. 6. I will do non-romantic couples. Raj and Howard, Leonard and Sheldon, Penny and Sheldon, Penny and Amy etc. In these cases, it will only be when they have scenes alone. 7. I will count larger groups , within reason. Something like "Girls"(Amy, Bernadette and Penny), or the guys (Sheldon, Leonard, Howard and Raj). I might even count the women, and Raj, as a group, as that has happened several times. But most of the time, if there are three or more individual characters in a scene, they won't be broken out as a separate group. I plan on calling a scene that has all of them together as "cast", to see how much time the cast is together. 8. I won't be giving each minor characters their own screen time. For example, parents or siblings, Kripke, Burt, other friends etc. don't get their own time, but I will track how much time Minor Characters are on screen. Exceptions: Stuart gets his own time starting in season six, as he became main cast then. Melissa starting in season three (although she didn't become main cast until season four) and Mayim staring in season four (even prior to her becoming main cast). 9. There will be limited cases where guest stars or recurring will get their own time. Lucy or Emily when they was dating Raj. Priya when she was dating Leonard, etc. I might count Dave and Amy, we'll see. I think this covers most things. If anyone sees something they think is wrong or you have another suggestion, please PM me. I realize that some of this is going to be a judgement call. But, I'm trying to set the rules out, so I can be as consistent as possible. Also, I realize that some people really don't care about screen time, they are more concerned with quality of screen time. The problem with that is simply not everyone agrees on quality. Screen time, for individuals, is something that can be measured and I feel that using the above to determine will at least give us a consistent measurement. I'll be starting with season 10, then moving to season 9. I will then go to seasons 2, 3, and 4. After that, I'll do season 1, then seasons 6, 7, 8. Those last three are because I have some times for 6, 7, and 8 and I've been asked about seasons 2, 3, and 4. I'm starting with seasons 9 and 10 as I have both of them on my DVR, but I'm thinking seriously getting rid of cable and going with streaming. If I do that, I'll lose those two years, due to losing my DVR. I want to get those done before that happens at the end of June. The rest I have on DVD. Tensor