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  1. This is a fun idea Stephen, let's see I could go several different ways with this, new neighbor, going to get the TV, losing their pants, hmmmm. We know the big thing from the episode wasn't always in the title. But, in this case, I'll go with the main point, "The Neighbor Initiation".
  2. Actually, at the end,( The Speckerman Recurrence) she got Amy and Bernadette to put the clothes back. Bernadette was the one who returned to take the clothes. Penny: Wait, wait, wait, guys, just hang on. Amy: What is it, the fuzz? Penny: Look at us. What are we doing? Amy: I was gleefully following you to a life of crime, looking forward to the day we might be cell mates. I don’t know about Bernadette. Penny: You know, this is wrong. Let’s put everything back. Here. Bernadette (taking boots and running): It’s okay, I serve soup to poor people!
  3. There are several enjoyable Lenny moments in the last few episodes. And one really, really, really, REALLY, fun Leonard moment, that comes close to the pillow.
  4. While this is true, the forums here are not just TBBT, it's also Young Sheldon. Some people on TBBT boards don't like or watch the show, and that's fine. However, there are people who do watch the show. While the YS forums are not as busy as TBBT forums were, there is traffic. As far as the forums go, those who concentrate on TBBT may jump off at some point, while those who watch YS, may be here until that show ends. Also, as a tribute to Walnutcowboy, the games section is also active.
  5. it’s going to depend on when exactly you watch the show. As long as you watched it within seven days, you would be in category four, and some in category 2. Remember, these were just simple categories to explain the drop in TV viewing, not a comprehensive list of viewing habits. I used to record every episode, and keep it on my DVR, until the season came out on DVD. These days, as it was available on streaming, so I don’t bother recording and make sure the DVDs I get have a digital version.
  6. Ahhhhhh, sorry. The numbers depend on what they are describing. Nielsen, the ratings company, figures there are 120.6 million households, that have a TV, in the US. They also figure that there are 307 million viewers age 2 and above, in those households. I deal with total viewers first, as that doesn't need much explanation. It is simply the total number of viewers, that watched that show. As for the rest, Nielsen breaks out a lot of information, such as Age, Sex, income, education, marital status, etc. All of these breakouts are called a "demographic" or demo for short. Generally, what is normally given out is the household rating/share, the 18-49 demo rating/share, and the total number of viewers. You can find out some of the other numbers if you know where to find it (mostly it's 18-34 demo, and 25-54 demo) Let me start with differentiating between a ratings point and a share point. A ratings point is the percentage of a particular demo. For example, there are about 130 million viewers age 18-49. So a 1.0 rating, in the 18-49 demo, would mean about 1.3 million viewers, age 18-49 watched the show. A 2.0 ratings would mean 2.6 million of the 18-49 age group watched the show. Share is a bit different, although related. A share point is the percentage of the number of people actually watching TV at the time. So, ratings point is the percentage of all of a particular demo, a share point is a percentage of the number of people, of a particular demo, actually watching television. As a simple example, lets say there are 100 people in a particular demo. Of those 100 people, 50 are actually watching TV. Now of those 50, 10 are watching our program. So, out of 100, 10 are watching our program, 10 is 10% of 100, so the rating for our demo, for our show is 10. Since only 50 of the 100 are watching television, we use 50 for the share. 10 is 20% of 50, so the share for our demo, for our show, is 20 So, hopefully that helps. Now, let's use the numbers from Young Sheldon this past Thursday. YS had 5.8 household rating, with a 10.0 Share. Remember what this means, 5.8% of the households were watching YS. This means 6.9 million, out of the 120 million household, were watching YS. With a 10 share, it means that the 6.9 million watching was 10% of the total number of televisions that were on. I'll save you the math, the share works out that out of the 120 million household with a television set, 69 million were turned on, and of that 69 million, 6.9 million wee watching YS. The final ratings for the 18-49 demo, was a 1.1, and the total number of viewers was 8.23 million. Again, saving you the math, that means that about only about 1.38 million, of the 8.23 million viewers were between the ages of 18-49. I will point out, the median age of those watching YS, last Thursday, was 62. So, most of the rest of the viewers were in the 55+ demo. That is not a just for YS, broadcast viewers, in general, are in the 55+ demo. On Thursday, the broadcast median age was 57 for all the broadcast shows.
  7. longhorn....Longhorn.....mmmmmmmm steak.... But, yeah, the idea of Texas was driven into a lot of head by John Wayne and the cowboy pictures of the forties and fifties.
  8. The numbers 1, 2, 3, and 4 were simply the numeration of the four different simply reasons for the loss of viewers, for broadcast. Your point about charging enough to make a profit is true, to a point. They could find ways such as creating less costly shows. This is where reality show come in, those are relatively cheap to produce. Or, new shows are generally cheaper than older shows. If you have two shows, pulling in the same ratings, but one cost you twice as much to produce, its the more expensive one that gets cancelled. There are various ratings, but the three that are paid the most attention to are the 18-49 demo, for Live + same day,(SD), Live + 3 day and Live + 7 day. Ad rates were originally based on who watched when it was on. Then, they added the Same Day. That was simply those who watched the show by Video Tape or Digital Video Recorder, by 3 AM, the next dat. If Big Bang was on at 8 PM on Thursday, if you watched it by 3 AM Friday, it counted as same day. Those are the daily ratings you see (and I used to post). Then with tape and digital recorders, the networks wanted to charge for the number of viewers for Live + 7, but the people buy the ads, didn't want to include anything except Live + SD. So, they compromised on Live + 3, within the last few years, they went to Live + 7. Fast forwarding through them is considered the same as getting up to get a snack or going to the bathroom, with live ads. You can't control what people do during ads, they pay for the number that are watching the show. The ad rates for watching over the internet are different than watching over the air (Live + 3 and Live + 7 are considered watching over the air) Watching them all, say on Netflix, has no bearing on the cost of broadcast ads. Netflix doesn't give out it's viewing figures, so there is no way to determine who is watching when. Any streaming service has the same problem. Netflix generally goes by what called complete viewing. How many viewers watch all of the episodes of a particular series. Those series that didn't pull in viewers for all of the episodes, generally had a better chance of being cancelled. I read an article that mentioned the Netflix series GLOW, had a problem with that and may not get a fourth season. They did, but it was also announced as their last. See, another consideration is that the cost starts going up in the fourth season, because by SAG rules, the actors can renegotiate their salaries at that point. So, if there isn't a fourth season (or if it's the last) Netflix wouldn't have to worry about the cost. The ad cost is based on the number who watch, and as I pointed out above, as long as someone watches within seven days of it being broadcast, the viewer is counted int he ratings. Yes, it can be a shock. There are procedures for a make up, (what amounts to free advertising) if the number of people viewing isn't where it's expected, based on how much was paid for an ad. But, that's something between the company buying the ad and the network as to when that kicks in and for how much. One of the problems that many are pointing out, is that with the rise of awards for premium cable, and or streaming services, people without those, have noting to be invested in. There were eight series nominated for best drama, only one, This Is Us, was on broadcast. Same with comedy, seven nominations, only one on broadcast, The Good Place. From what I can find, all the streaming services (or premium cable, same thing really) together have less than the number of people watching broadcast TV. If you consider that most people who have one, have more than one streaming service the number of people watching the Emmy's for shows they might have seen is only about one third to one half of the people watching the Emmys. And, ironically, the people most likely to have purchased access to those shows, and the most likely not to have a connection to the network broadcasting the awards. Or, some, like me, don't really care about the Emmy's anymore. I lost interest when they awarded Orange is the New Black, the comedy award. This is the result of the myriad of choices we now have. In the fifties, TV was new, and in the sixties it was still relatively new. The seventies and eighties had some damn good shows. It was in the nineties that viewership started to decline. There had to be something really enticing, as you say, to pull people away from the other available things. Now, with so many choices, it's even worse for the broadcast stations and networks.
  9. It's a combination of things. You have to remember that early cable was mostly local over the air channels, a few superstations, and premium cable. As more and more different channels were started, in the 90s, viewers had more and more choices as far as what to watch. With so many different choices, there was bound to be something, besides broadcast that someone might wish to watch. You also have to factor in the internet. As the internet matured and people connected to it, people were finding their entertainment on the internet, instead of on TV. I am not talking about streaming here. Using me as an example, at the height of this forum, and before I was even a mod, I was spending 2-3 hours a night here, and 2-3 hours a night at a science forum, time I wasn't watching television. Others have similar stories, but probably for different things. On-line gaming also took away from people watching TV. Now, you have the cord-cutters who don't have cable, or antenna's, and get their TV through their streaming service, on their computer (my daughter is like this). I have my streaming services, and some cable channels that I get from the streaming service, and I have an antenna). But most of the cord cutters, don't have broadcast. And then you have those that continue to watch TV the way God intended, over the air, through an antenna, and on a television. My neighbor falls into that category. Most of these are elderly, and their numbers get fewer and fewer every year. So, here is the simplified reasons: 1. You have those who chose to watch various channels, (like TBS, TCM, BBC, HBO, ESPN, etc), through their cable system, rather than watching broadcast channels. 2. You have those who are spending time on the internet, rather than watching broadcast networks. 3. You have the cord cutters, who don't watch or even have access to the broadcast networks (and if they do, they are probably streaming from the network archive), or are watching their streaming services. 4. Finally, yo have those who actually watch the networks, but as these tend to be older, their numbers are getting smaller. Hope this makes sense.
  10. Joyce, in the US, there are free broadcast stations that are part of a network(that some of these can be found on Cable or streaming is mostly irirrelevant). ABC, NBC, FOX and CBS are in that category. Each of these has stations in various markets that belong to that network. In my area, the CBS network station is WTSP. There are also independent stations that are not part of a network (one of them, where I live, is WMOR). These stations are broadcast over the air (think radio), and anyone having an antenna and receiver can get that channel. There is no cost for this, except for buying the equipment. These channels are supported by commercials. How much is paid for those commercials is dependent on how many viewers are watching a particular show. How much a network, or independent station can charge for a commercial is closely tied to the shows ratings, mostly in the 18-49 demo. Because of this, networks and independents (who run mostly repeats), look for the highest rated show they can run, to get the most money. Last year, TBBT was bringing in about $285,000 for every 30 seconds of commercials (one reason CBS ran TBBT for 31 minutes, was so they could charge TBBT rates for and extra minute. Mom, for example was bringing in about $140,000 per 30 second spot. If, a show has very low ratings, the network won't get enough to cover the cost of production, and this is where shows get cancelled. Or, if the network decides that they can bring in a new show, that will have better ratings (and so bring in more money) they will cancel a current show, for the new one. Net works also move shows around, hoping to find a spot that will bring in the most viewers, and thus more money for commercials. This is why ratings are so closely watched. Billions of dollars of decisions and ad revenue is based on the ratings. During TBBT's premiere season, back in 2007-08, it averaged a 3.23 in the 18-49 demo. It finished almost exactly on the number of an average, for all shows. It's last year, it had a 2.23 and was the highest rated scripted show, and was one of three shows above a 2.00. This year there is only one show above a 2.00, so far. Ratings have been falling for the last 20 years, and this years drop, so far, is particularly concerning, because of the large amount of drop. If you have any questions about ratings or what they mean, please let me know.
  11. And two more chapters Chapter 62 and Chapter 63
  12. What do you mean skull? And at what time in it's run? It's first season, it was not better than an average show (a 3.26 back then). It wasn't until season 3 that it's ratings took off, and although it took a drop in the fourth season (it was opening up a new night of comedy for CBS and it was up against American Idol, near it's peak. It was during season five that the show started to become a ratings phenomena.
  13. Ratings are tanking across the board so far this year, a quick calculation shows the average premiere is down 30-40 percent. On Monday, none of CBS' shows cracked a 1.0. The Neighborhood was high at 0.9. On NBC, The Voice was at 1.7, 911 was at 1.5. On ABC, The Good Doctor and Fox's Prodigal Son were at 1.0. On Tuesday, on NBC, This is Us had a 3.0 last year and a 1.8 this year, down 40%. The Voice was at 1.5 (down 40%). On ABC, The Conners, with the highest comedy rating of 1.3, was off by 1.1 points (45%) from last year (2.4). The rest of ABC's lineup was either 0.8 or 0.9. On Fox, the new Show the resident was at 0.9 and Empire, was down 0.9 points at 1.0, from a 1.9, down 49%. Neither of Fox's shows hit four million. CBS had a fairly good night, with NCIS flat at 1.3, but it's been the only show over 10 million viewers, at 12.24. On Wednesday, ABC struggled with The Goldbergs and Modern Family at 1.0 (but both were under 5 million viewers, Modern Family barely making it at 4.04 million. Their other two new comedies Schooled and Single Parents came in at 0.8 and 0.7, but Schooled was under four million (3.48) and Single Parents was under three million (2.87). Their new show at 10 PM, Stumptown only had a 0.7, but at 4.53 million was the highest viewed show on the network, beating The Goldberg's by 80 thousand viewers. On CBS, both Survivor and Big Brother ran 90 minutes, and were both around 1.2-1.3 demo. Survivor had around 6 million viewers and Big Brother had around 4.5 million. NBC ran Chicago First Responders (Med, Fire, PD) and all were somewhere around 1.2 with Med and Fire around 7.5 million with PD at 6.5 million. The big winner on Wednesday was Fox, with The Masked Singer pulling in around a 2.5 demo, with around 8 million viewers. Thursday for CBS wasn't bad, with YS at 1.0 and Mom at 0.8, and their new shows, The Unicorn (0.8) and Carol's Second Act at 0.7). YS was over 8 million viewers and the other three at 6 million. At 10 PM the new show Evil brought in a0.7 with 4.5 million. ABC had a good night with Grey's Anatomy at 1.6 and the new Show A Million Little Pieces at 1.0, with Grey's around 6.5 million and Pieces at 5 million. How to Get Away with Murder was at 0.6 but only 2.5 million viewers. Fox had Football, and on NBC Thursday was a complete disaster. Leading off the night was Superstore, with a 0.8 and only 2.86 million viewers. This was followed by the new show Perfect Harmony (0.5, 2.63 million), The Good Place, (0.7, 2.42 million) and the new show Sunnyside at 0.4, and only 1.77 million people. It picked up at 10 PM with the 21 season premiere of Law and Order SVU (something that no prime time drama has ever done) with a 0.7 and 3.84 million viewers. Friday, on CBS, the trio of Hawaii Five-0, Magnum PI, and Blue Bloods, were around 0.6-0.7 with 6 million for the first two, and 7.5 million for Blue Bloods On ABC American Housewife at 0.7 and 3.39 million viewers and Fresh Off the Boat (0.5, 2.44 million) were followed by two episodes of 20/20 (average 0.55 and 3.25 million) NBC ran a repeat of Bluff City Law (0.4, 2.70 million) then two episodes of Dateline (average 0.6 and 3.60 million viewers). Fox heavily promoted WWE smackdown and got a 0.4 demo, with only 1.39 million viewers. At 9 PM FOX ran a repeat of Prodigal Son to a 0.3 with 1.27 million viewers. It has not been pretty. Only one series broke a 2.0 (The Masked Singer), only one series broke 10 Million viewers (NCIS), and only one new series was above a 1.0 (Prodigal Son). I would not want to be a broadcast network executive this year, or in the years ahead.
  14. Ahhhhh, behind again in updating this. Chapter 59 Chapter 60 And Chapter 61
  15. @HeWolf Happy birthday HeWolf, hope you had a great day.
  16. I would hope five, cause 10 years might, or might not, be pushing it for me. 😉
  17. Ahhhhhh, OK, thank you for clarifying what you meant. The only problem with this is, at present, we would never know. So, unless Young Sheldon runs for 20 more years, to there is another spin off, of Big Bang, it will forever remain an idea.
  18. The problem with this, is that she would have had to be JK Rowling when she first appeared on the show, as the series of books, was completed before Missy appeared on the show.
  19. I'm ready. Food, and water were part of our readiness kit we put together in May. Gas for the generator and car, cash in case there is no electric for purchases. Carlos is in Miami, Kathy is near where it's supposed to come on shore. Mario is ready, and Kasey (although she hasn't been on in a while) is north of Tampa. The safest one seems to be chucky, out there on the western end of the state. Did I miss anyone?
  20. She loves her horses.
  21. Boy, am I behind. Chapters 56 Chapter 57 have been up, and Chapter 58 is now up.
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