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  1. joyceraye liked a post in a topic by Tensor in [Spoilers] Discussion: Season 10   
     
    If you want to think a nom means something as to who is a better actor, that's fine, but it really doesn't.  I may see it a bit differently as I've gotten two local awards for acting, and people I think are much better actors (not to mention people whose opinions I respect, think so also), and in fact know more than I learned from them, haven't gotten any.  If it came down to one of them or me, I'm willing to be the director will take them over me every time. 
     
    If you need me to specify fine.  Mayim's nominations for Amy, versus those who haven't been nominated mean nothing as far as who is a better actor.   More than one, for different character types or in different genres can mean something.  Although, as I point out, it's not infallible, but a good indication, simply because two very different characters lessen the chance of it being a serendipitous pairing.  
    You don't have to know what arguments are valid, to know what arguments are invalid.  
    That would be fine by me.  BTW, what awards are considered valid awards?  I usually go with other actors and critics, but you may have a different opinion.    
    But, if acting is difficult to measure in an objective way, doesn't that make the awards highly subjective? 
    Hehehehehe, yeah, we agree here.  Kaley's in a better position than Mayim, simply because she's made more salary and backend of the show.   Although, I really don't see either of them worrying about money.   I also don't see them giving up acting completely.  Maybe not a full series, but a guest staring role, a movie here or there.  Kaley did quite a few TV movies before and during the first years of TBBT.  Mayim recently did one and they both do voice over work.  So they will probably be able to keep as busy, acting wise, as they want.   
  2. Carlos liked a post in a topic by Tensor in [Spoilers] Lenny:Season 10   
    Heres's  our chance to tell CBS how wonderful things are going with our favorite couple.  If you rant or are aggressive, you are less likely to be taken seriously.  So, don't rant, be respectful. Simply give your opinions on how you feel the last few seasons have gone and explain what your actions will be, or have been, if things continue to be the same.  
  3. joyceraye liked a post in a topic by Tensor in [Spoilers] Discussion: Season 10   
     
    If you want to think a nom means something as to who is a better actor, that's fine, but it really doesn't.  I may see it a bit differently as I've gotten two local awards for acting, and people I think are much better actors (not to mention people whose opinions I respect, think so also), and in fact know more than I learned from them, haven't gotten any.  If it came down to one of them or me, I'm willing to be the director will take them over me every time. 
     
    If you need me to specify fine.  Mayim's nominations for Amy, versus those who haven't been nominated mean nothing as far as who is a better actor.   More than one, for different character types or in different genres can mean something.  Although, as I point out, it's not infallible, but a good indication, simply because two very different characters lessen the chance of it being a serendipitous pairing.  
    You don't have to know what arguments are valid, to know what arguments are invalid.  
    That would be fine by me.  BTW, what awards are considered valid awards?  I usually go with other actors and critics, but you may have a different opinion.    
    But, if acting is difficult to measure in an objective way, doesn't that make the awards highly subjective? 
    Hehehehehe, yeah, we agree here.  Kaley's in a better position than Mayim, simply because she's made more salary and backend of the show.   Although, I really don't see either of them worrying about money.   I also don't see them giving up acting completely.  Maybe not a full series, but a guest staring role, a movie here or there.  Kaley did quite a few TV movies before and during the first years of TBBT.  Mayim recently did one and they both do voice over work.  So they will probably be able to keep as busy, acting wise, as they want.   
  4. No Regrets liked a post in a topic by Tensor in [Spoilers] Discussion: Season 10   
    Look, I'm not the one that insinuated Mayim got the nominations because she is a great actor.   I was just pointing that if she was so much better than the others, she would have a nomination for something other than Amy, she doesn't.  Or, as I said in another later post, it's a rare combination of actor and character.  
     
    Then, why didn't you castigate those that insinuate that Mayim is a better actor than Kaley, solely because of those nominations?   If they aren't the one and only reference, then they can't be used to claim one actor is better than another, wouldn't you agree?  The serendipitous combination is a point I've made over and over again.  
    No, it's because of combination of her acting and the character.  For me it's always been that claiming she is a better actress, just because she has the nominations and others don't, is incorrect.  I'd buy that point if she had nominations for something other than Amy.  You want an example of it being the actor, for the same character?  Ed Asner. He WON an Emmy as best actor in a comedy and best actor in a drama, for the same character.  Or another example would be Bryan Cranston who got comedy nominations for Malcom in the Middle and Won an Emmy for drama.   
    I've never said otherwise.  My complaint, all along, are the comments that because she has those nominations, she is somehow better than the other actors.   And, I've yet to see a valid point supporting that, other than "I think" or "I believe".  If people want to think or believe that, that's fine, but it's not a valid supporting argument.    
     
    That can be turned around to "put Mayim in another role, and lets see how many nominations she gets".  We know the answer to that, zero.  That's doesn't make her a bad actress.  
    It's also not fair to claim one actor is better than the other, based only on nominations for one character.  You get several nominations, for several different characters, you may have a point.     
  5. 5Mississippis liked a post in a topic by Tensor in [Spoilers] Discussion: Season 10   
    Winning is a bit of a crapshoot, not so much nominations (although, if there are a lot of good candidates for a particular year, it becomes a crapshoot for those also).   I just don't buy that Mayim wasn't a good enough actress, prior to TBBT and her first two years playing Amy, to be nominated.  Then for four years, she was all of a sudden good enough to get nominated four years in a row. Then fall back to not even being nominated for the year of the Shamy breakup, when a lot of the emotional scenes actors live for, were present.  
    Look, the cast is all good.  Kaley, Johnny, and Mayim all have been working in the industry for over 25 years. You don't get that, if you are not a good actor.  But to try to base who is better than the other, off of nominations only gleaned from one character, is rather misleading.    
  6. Carlos liked a post in a topic by Tensor in [Spoilers] Discussion: Season 10   
     
    Where's Mayim's nominations for Blossom?  The Secret Life of an American Teenager?  How about her portrayal of Nancy Kurshan?  Or her part in  Curb Your Enthusiasm?  Or, are you saying she just happen to become a good actor when she started playing Amy?   But, that wouldn't explain The Flight Before Christmas, as that happened while she was playing Amy.  
    So which is it?  Are you saying her acting isn't very good, until she plays Amy, when it becomes extraordinary?  I see it, as a happens a lot, that she is a good actress who happen to land in a role is different and noteworthy enough that she got noticed for her work. 
    Or, as is far more likely as it is for most actors, actors like Kelsey Grammar and Don Knotts (among so many others) who only got Emmy nods for a particular character and for none of their other work, the character has quite a bit to do with award nominations?  
  7. Carlos liked a post in a topic by Tensor in [Spoilers] Discussion: Season 10   
    Which really means nothing.  The character she plays has a lot more to do with the nominations than the acting.  In the comedy awards it's much more the characters, than it is the acting.  This is not to say Kaley is a better actor than Mayim. 
  8. joyceraye liked a post in a topic by Tensor in [Spoilers] Discussion: Season 10   
     
    If you want to think a nom means something as to who is a better actor, that's fine, but it really doesn't.  I may see it a bit differently as I've gotten two local awards for acting, and people I think are much better actors (not to mention people whose opinions I respect, think so also), and in fact know more than I learned from them, haven't gotten any.  If it came down to one of them or me, I'm willing to be the director will take them over me every time. 
     
    If you need me to specify fine.  Mayim's nominations for Amy, versus those who haven't been nominated mean nothing as far as who is a better actor.   More than one, for different character types or in different genres can mean something.  Although, as I point out, it's not infallible, but a good indication, simply because two very different characters lessen the chance of it being a serendipitous pairing.  
    You don't have to know what arguments are valid, to know what arguments are invalid.  
    That would be fine by me.  BTW, what awards are considered valid awards?  I usually go with other actors and critics, but you may have a different opinion.    
    But, if acting is difficult to measure in an objective way, doesn't that make the awards highly subjective? 
    Hehehehehe, yeah, we agree here.  Kaley's in a better position than Mayim, simply because she's made more salary and backend of the show.   Although, I really don't see either of them worrying about money.   I also don't see them giving up acting completely.  Maybe not a full series, but a guest staring role, a movie here or there.  Kaley did quite a few TV movies before and during the first years of TBBT.  Mayim recently did one and they both do voice over work.  So they will probably be able to keep as busy, acting wise, as they want.   
  9. bfm liked a post in a topic by Tensor in [Spoilers] Discussion: Season 10   
     
    Yes, here's what I responded to:
    Insinuating Mayim was a better actress, because of the nominations.  When in fact the noms mean nothing as to who is a better actor.  Unless you are saying the nominations mean something, when it comes to claiming who is a better actor, but I haven't seen you say that.
    I've never claimed they weren't deserved.  Since we both agree that a nomination is due to acting ability and character, do you agree that just because Mayim has been nominated and Kaley hasn't, it doesn't mean that Mayim's a better actress?  
     
    Go back and look.  I said nominations based on one character are not a valid measure of how good an actor is.   Actors nominated for more than one role,(or like Ed Asner, one character and winning for both drama and comendy) is a better indication that the actor is a good one.  Not infallible, but a pretty good indication.    
    This goes back to actors like Don Knotts and Kelsey Grammar. Both won multiple Emmys, but never were nominated for any other role.  In fact, Don Knotts spent the rest of his career (and the time previous to it, if you go look) playing variations of Barney fife.  He was brilliant in that particular role, but not so much in any role that didn't have a Barney Fife component.
    If Mayim had nominations (Emmy) other than Amy (or a clone of Amy), then I would say she's would be better than Kaley.  But for only one character, that appears to one of those serendipitous coming together of actor and character.    Why do you think Meryl Streep is so revered by the acting community.  She's not tied to one character, or one genre, or one medium.    
    I don't know, I'm not trying to argue that side.  But the supporting arguments so far, are not valid.  If you want to have the opinion that she is the best actor on the show, because of the nominations, that's fine, but it's really not any kind of valid support.  
    Her other Emmy noms are zero.  If you want to get into other awards, you'll note my response to Kathy that Kaley won an award (in the higher category of staring, rather than supporting) the same year Mayim was only nominated.  But, that doesn't make Kaley, a better actor.  In fact, like Mayim's nominations, "it really means nothing".
  10. bfm liked a post in a topic by Tensor in [Spoilers] Discussion: Season 10   
     I thought we were talking about Emmys.
     But, if you want to talk about other awards, Kaley has three nominations (for two different shows) in this category and won a The Satellite Award for best actress.  Mayim was nominated that year for supporting but didn't win.  But I'm not going to claim that Kaley is a better actress because she won and Mayim didn't.  
    Her and Mayim have each been nominated for and won a Critic's Choice Award.    
  11. joyceraye liked a post in a topic by Tensor in [Spoilers] Discussion: Season 10   
     
    If you want to think a nom means something as to who is a better actor, that's fine, but it really doesn't.  I may see it a bit differently as I've gotten two local awards for acting, and people I think are much better actors (not to mention people whose opinions I respect, think so also), and in fact know more than I learned from them, haven't gotten any.  If it came down to one of them or me, I'm willing to be the director will take them over me every time. 
     
    If you need me to specify fine.  Mayim's nominations for Amy, versus those who haven't been nominated mean nothing as far as who is a better actor.   More than one, for different character types or in different genres can mean something.  Although, as I point out, it's not infallible, but a good indication, simply because two very different characters lessen the chance of it being a serendipitous pairing.  
    You don't have to know what arguments are valid, to know what arguments are invalid.  
    That would be fine by me.  BTW, what awards are considered valid awards?  I usually go with other actors and critics, but you may have a different opinion.    
    But, if acting is difficult to measure in an objective way, doesn't that make the awards highly subjective? 
    Hehehehehe, yeah, we agree here.  Kaley's in a better position than Mayim, simply because she's made more salary and backend of the show.   Although, I really don't see either of them worrying about money.   I also don't see them giving up acting completely.  Maybe not a full series, but a guest staring role, a movie here or there.  Kaley did quite a few TV movies before and during the first years of TBBT.  Mayim recently did one and they both do voice over work.  So they will probably be able to keep as busy, acting wise, as they want.   
  12. No Regrets liked a post in a topic by Tensor in [Spoilers] Discussion: Season 10   
    Look, I'm not the one that insinuated Mayim got the nominations because she is a great actor.   I was just pointing that if she was so much better than the others, she would have a nomination for something other than Amy, she doesn't.  Or, as I said in another later post, it's a rare combination of actor and character.  
     
    Then, why didn't you castigate those that insinuate that Mayim is a better actor than Kaley, solely because of those nominations?   If they aren't the one and only reference, then they can't be used to claim one actor is better than another, wouldn't you agree?  The serendipitous combination is a point I've made over and over again.  
    No, it's because of combination of her acting and the character.  For me it's always been that claiming she is a better actress, just because she has the nominations and others don't, is incorrect.  I'd buy that point if she had nominations for something other than Amy.  You want an example of it being the actor, for the same character?  Ed Asner. He WON an Emmy as best actor in a comedy and best actor in a drama, for the same character.  Or another example would be Bryan Cranston who got comedy nominations for Malcom in the Middle and Won an Emmy for drama.   
    I've never said otherwise.  My complaint, all along, are the comments that because she has those nominations, she is somehow better than the other actors.   And, I've yet to see a valid point supporting that, other than "I think" or "I believe".  If people want to think or believe that, that's fine, but it's not a valid supporting argument.    
     
    That can be turned around to "put Mayim in another role, and lets see how many nominations she gets".  We know the answer to that, zero.  That's doesn't make her a bad actress.  
    It's also not fair to claim one actor is better than the other, based only on nominations for one character.  You get several nominations, for several different characters, you may have a point.     
  13. joyceraye liked a post in a topic by Tensor in [Spoilers] Discussion: Season 10   
     
    If you want to think a nom means something as to who is a better actor, that's fine, but it really doesn't.  I may see it a bit differently as I've gotten two local awards for acting, and people I think are much better actors (not to mention people whose opinions I respect, think so also), and in fact know more than I learned from them, haven't gotten any.  If it came down to one of them or me, I'm willing to be the director will take them over me every time. 
     
    If you need me to specify fine.  Mayim's nominations for Amy, versus those who haven't been nominated mean nothing as far as who is a better actor.   More than one, for different character types or in different genres can mean something.  Although, as I point out, it's not infallible, but a good indication, simply because two very different characters lessen the chance of it being a serendipitous pairing.  
    You don't have to know what arguments are valid, to know what arguments are invalid.  
    That would be fine by me.  BTW, what awards are considered valid awards?  I usually go with other actors and critics, but you may have a different opinion.    
    But, if acting is difficult to measure in an objective way, doesn't that make the awards highly subjective? 
    Hehehehehe, yeah, we agree here.  Kaley's in a better position than Mayim, simply because she's made more salary and backend of the show.   Although, I really don't see either of them worrying about money.   I also don't see them giving up acting completely.  Maybe not a full series, but a guest staring role, a movie here or there.  Kaley did quite a few TV movies before and during the first years of TBBT.  Mayim recently did one and they both do voice over work.  So they will probably be able to keep as busy, acting wise, as they want.   
  14. bfm liked a post in a topic by Tensor in [Spoilers] Discussion: Season 10   
     
    Yes, here's what I responded to:
    Insinuating Mayim was a better actress, because of the nominations.  When in fact the noms mean nothing as to who is a better actor.  Unless you are saying the nominations mean something, when it comes to claiming who is a better actor, but I haven't seen you say that.
    I've never claimed they weren't deserved.  Since we both agree that a nomination is due to acting ability and character, do you agree that just because Mayim has been nominated and Kaley hasn't, it doesn't mean that Mayim's a better actress?  
     
    Go back and look.  I said nominations based on one character are not a valid measure of how good an actor is.   Actors nominated for more than one role,(or like Ed Asner, one character and winning for both drama and comendy) is a better indication that the actor is a good one.  Not infallible, but a pretty good indication.    
    This goes back to actors like Don Knotts and Kelsey Grammar. Both won multiple Emmys, but never were nominated for any other role.  In fact, Don Knotts spent the rest of his career (and the time previous to it, if you go look) playing variations of Barney fife.  He was brilliant in that particular role, but not so much in any role that didn't have a Barney Fife component.
    If Mayim had nominations (Emmy) other than Amy (or a clone of Amy), then I would say she's would be better than Kaley.  But for only one character, that appears to one of those serendipitous coming together of actor and character.    Why do you think Meryl Streep is so revered by the acting community.  She's not tied to one character, or one genre, or one medium.    
    I don't know, I'm not trying to argue that side.  But the supporting arguments so far, are not valid.  If you want to have the opinion that she is the best actor on the show, because of the nominations, that's fine, but it's really not any kind of valid support.  
    Her other Emmy noms are zero.  If you want to get into other awards, you'll note my response to Kathy that Kaley won an award (in the higher category of staring, rather than supporting) the same year Mayim was only nominated.  But, that doesn't make Kaley, a better actor.  In fact, like Mayim's nominations, "it really means nothing".
  15. bfm liked a post in a topic by Tensor in [Spoilers] Discussion: Season 10   
     I thought we were talking about Emmys.
     But, if you want to talk about other awards, Kaley has three nominations (for two different shows) in this category and won a The Satellite Award for best actress.  Mayim was nominated that year for supporting but didn't win.  But I'm not going to claim that Kaley is a better actress because she won and Mayim didn't.  
    Her and Mayim have each been nominated for and won a Critic's Choice Award.    
  16. joyceraye liked a post in a topic by Tensor in [Spoilers] Discussion: Season 10   
     
    If you want to think a nom means something as to who is a better actor, that's fine, but it really doesn't.  I may see it a bit differently as I've gotten two local awards for acting, and people I think are much better actors (not to mention people whose opinions I respect, think so also), and in fact know more than I learned from them, haven't gotten any.  If it came down to one of them or me, I'm willing to be the director will take them over me every time. 
     
    If you need me to specify fine.  Mayim's nominations for Amy, versus those who haven't been nominated mean nothing as far as who is a better actor.   More than one, for different character types or in different genres can mean something.  Although, as I point out, it's not infallible, but a good indication, simply because two very different characters lessen the chance of it being a serendipitous pairing.  
    You don't have to know what arguments are valid, to know what arguments are invalid.  
    That would be fine by me.  BTW, what awards are considered valid awards?  I usually go with other actors and critics, but you may have a different opinion.    
    But, if acting is difficult to measure in an objective way, doesn't that make the awards highly subjective? 
    Hehehehehe, yeah, we agree here.  Kaley's in a better position than Mayim, simply because she's made more salary and backend of the show.   Although, I really don't see either of them worrying about money.   I also don't see them giving up acting completely.  Maybe not a full series, but a guest staring role, a movie here or there.  Kaley did quite a few TV movies before and during the first years of TBBT.  Mayim recently did one and they both do voice over work.  So they will probably be able to keep as busy, acting wise, as they want.   
  17. joyceraye liked a post in a topic by Tensor in [Spoilers] Discussion: Season 10   
     
    If you want to think a nom means something as to who is a better actor, that's fine, but it really doesn't.  I may see it a bit differently as I've gotten two local awards for acting, and people I think are much better actors (not to mention people whose opinions I respect, think so also), and in fact know more than I learned from them, haven't gotten any.  If it came down to one of them or me, I'm willing to be the director will take them over me every time. 
     
    If you need me to specify fine.  Mayim's nominations for Amy, versus those who haven't been nominated mean nothing as far as who is a better actor.   More than one, for different character types or in different genres can mean something.  Although, as I point out, it's not infallible, but a good indication, simply because two very different characters lessen the chance of it being a serendipitous pairing.  
    You don't have to know what arguments are valid, to know what arguments are invalid.  
    That would be fine by me.  BTW, what awards are considered valid awards?  I usually go with other actors and critics, but you may have a different opinion.    
    But, if acting is difficult to measure in an objective way, doesn't that make the awards highly subjective? 
    Hehehehehe, yeah, we agree here.  Kaley's in a better position than Mayim, simply because she's made more salary and backend of the show.   Although, I really don't see either of them worrying about money.   I also don't see them giving up acting completely.  Maybe not a full series, but a guest staring role, a movie here or there.  Kaley did quite a few TV movies before and during the first years of TBBT.  Mayim recently did one and they both do voice over work.  So they will probably be able to keep as busy, acting wise, as they want.   
  18. bfm liked a post in a topic by Tensor in [Spoilers] Discussion: Season 10   
     
    Yes, here's what I responded to:
    Insinuating Mayim was a better actress, because of the nominations.  When in fact the noms mean nothing as to who is a better actor.  Unless you are saying the nominations mean something, when it comes to claiming who is a better actor, but I haven't seen you say that.
    I've never claimed they weren't deserved.  Since we both agree that a nomination is due to acting ability and character, do you agree that just because Mayim has been nominated and Kaley hasn't, it doesn't mean that Mayim's a better actress?  
     
    Go back and look.  I said nominations based on one character are not a valid measure of how good an actor is.   Actors nominated for more than one role,(or like Ed Asner, one character and winning for both drama and comendy) is a better indication that the actor is a good one.  Not infallible, but a pretty good indication.    
    This goes back to actors like Don Knotts and Kelsey Grammar. Both won multiple Emmys, but never were nominated for any other role.  In fact, Don Knotts spent the rest of his career (and the time previous to it, if you go look) playing variations of Barney fife.  He was brilliant in that particular role, but not so much in any role that didn't have a Barney Fife component.
    If Mayim had nominations (Emmy) other than Amy (or a clone of Amy), then I would say she's would be better than Kaley.  But for only one character, that appears to one of those serendipitous coming together of actor and character.    Why do you think Meryl Streep is so revered by the acting community.  She's not tied to one character, or one genre, or one medium.    
    I don't know, I'm not trying to argue that side.  But the supporting arguments so far, are not valid.  If you want to have the opinion that she is the best actor on the show, because of the nominations, that's fine, but it's really not any kind of valid support.  
    Her other Emmy noms are zero.  If you want to get into other awards, you'll note my response to Kathy that Kaley won an award (in the higher category of staring, rather than supporting) the same year Mayim was only nominated.  But, that doesn't make Kaley, a better actor.  In fact, like Mayim's nominations, "it really means nothing".
  19. No Regrets liked a post in a topic by Tensor in [Spoilers] Discussion: Season 10   
    Look, I'm not the one that insinuated Mayim got the nominations because she is a great actor.   I was just pointing that if she was so much better than the others, she would have a nomination for something other than Amy, she doesn't.  Or, as I said in another later post, it's a rare combination of actor and character.  
     
    Then, why didn't you castigate those that insinuate that Mayim is a better actor than Kaley, solely because of those nominations?   If they aren't the one and only reference, then they can't be used to claim one actor is better than another, wouldn't you agree?  The serendipitous combination is a point I've made over and over again.  
    No, it's because of combination of her acting and the character.  For me it's always been that claiming she is a better actress, just because she has the nominations and others don't, is incorrect.  I'd buy that point if she had nominations for something other than Amy.  You want an example of it being the actor, for the same character?  Ed Asner. He WON an Emmy as best actor in a comedy and best actor in a drama, for the same character.  Or another example would be Bryan Cranston who got comedy nominations for Malcom in the Middle and Won an Emmy for drama.   
    I've never said otherwise.  My complaint, all along, are the comments that because she has those nominations, she is somehow better than the other actors.   And, I've yet to see a valid point supporting that, other than "I think" or "I believe".  If people want to think or believe that, that's fine, but it's not a valid supporting argument.    
     
    That can be turned around to "put Mayim in another role, and lets see how many nominations she gets".  We know the answer to that, zero.  That's doesn't make her a bad actress.  
    It's also not fair to claim one actor is better than the other, based only on nominations for one character.  You get several nominations, for several different characters, you may have a point.     
  20. Carlos liked a post in a topic by Tensor in [Spoilers] Discussion: Season 10   
     
    Where's Mayim's nominations for Blossom?  The Secret Life of an American Teenager?  How about her portrayal of Nancy Kurshan?  Or her part in  Curb Your Enthusiasm?  Or, are you saying she just happen to become a good actor when she started playing Amy?   But, that wouldn't explain The Flight Before Christmas, as that happened while she was playing Amy.  
    So which is it?  Are you saying her acting isn't very good, until she plays Amy, when it becomes extraordinary?  I see it, as a happens a lot, that she is a good actress who happen to land in a role is different and noteworthy enough that she got noticed for her work. 
    Or, as is far more likely as it is for most actors, actors like Kelsey Grammar and Don Knotts (among so many others) who only got Emmy nods for a particular character and for none of their other work, the character has quite a bit to do with award nominations?  
  21. Carlos liked a post in a topic by Tensor in [Spoilers] Discussion: Season 10   
    Which really means nothing.  The character she plays has a lot more to do with the nominations than the acting.  In the comedy awards it's much more the characters, than it is the acting.  This is not to say Kaley is a better actor than Mayim. 
  22. No Regrets liked a post in a topic by Tensor in [Spoilers] Discussion: Season 10   
    Look, I'm not the one that insinuated Mayim got the nominations because she is a great actor.   I was just pointing that if she was so much better than the others, she would have a nomination for something other than Amy, she doesn't.  Or, as I said in another later post, it's a rare combination of actor and character.  
     
    Then, why didn't you castigate those that insinuate that Mayim is a better actor than Kaley, solely because of those nominations?   If they aren't the one and only reference, then they can't be used to claim one actor is better than another, wouldn't you agree?  The serendipitous combination is a point I've made over and over again.  
    No, it's because of combination of her acting and the character.  For me it's always been that claiming she is a better actress, just because she has the nominations and others don't, is incorrect.  I'd buy that point if she had nominations for something other than Amy.  You want an example of it being the actor, for the same character?  Ed Asner. He WON an Emmy as best actor in a comedy and best actor in a drama, for the same character.  Or another example would be Bryan Cranston who got comedy nominations for Malcom in the Middle and Won an Emmy for drama.   
    I've never said otherwise.  My complaint, all along, are the comments that because she has those nominations, she is somehow better than the other actors.   And, I've yet to see a valid point supporting that, other than "I think" or "I believe".  If people want to think or believe that, that's fine, but it's not a valid supporting argument.    
     
    That can be turned around to "put Mayim in another role, and lets see how many nominations she gets".  We know the answer to that, zero.  That's doesn't make her a bad actress.  
    It's also not fair to claim one actor is better than the other, based only on nominations for one character.  You get several nominations, for several different characters, you may have a point.     
  23. bfm liked a post in a topic by Tensor in [Spoilers] Discussion: Season 10   
     
    Yes, here's what I responded to:
    Insinuating Mayim was a better actress, because of the nominations.  When in fact the noms mean nothing as to who is a better actor.  Unless you are saying the nominations mean something, when it comes to claiming who is a better actor, but I haven't seen you say that.
    I've never claimed they weren't deserved.  Since we both agree that a nomination is due to acting ability and character, do you agree that just because Mayim has been nominated and Kaley hasn't, it doesn't mean that Mayim's a better actress?  
     
    Go back and look.  I said nominations based on one character are not a valid measure of how good an actor is.   Actors nominated for more than one role,(or like Ed Asner, one character and winning for both drama and comendy) is a better indication that the actor is a good one.  Not infallible, but a pretty good indication.    
    This goes back to actors like Don Knotts and Kelsey Grammar. Both won multiple Emmys, but never were nominated for any other role.  In fact, Don Knotts spent the rest of his career (and the time previous to it, if you go look) playing variations of Barney fife.  He was brilliant in that particular role, but not so much in any role that didn't have a Barney Fife component.
    If Mayim had nominations (Emmy) other than Amy (or a clone of Amy), then I would say she's would be better than Kaley.  But for only one character, that appears to one of those serendipitous coming together of actor and character.    Why do you think Meryl Streep is so revered by the acting community.  She's not tied to one character, or one genre, or one medium.    
    I don't know, I'm not trying to argue that side.  But the supporting arguments so far, are not valid.  If you want to have the opinion that she is the best actor on the show, because of the nominations, that's fine, but it's really not any kind of valid support.  
    Her other Emmy noms are zero.  If you want to get into other awards, you'll note my response to Kathy that Kaley won an award (in the higher category of staring, rather than supporting) the same year Mayim was only nominated.  But, that doesn't make Kaley, a better actor.  In fact, like Mayim's nominations, "it really means nothing".
  24. bfm liked a post in a topic by Tensor in [Spoilers] Discussion: Season 10   
     I thought we were talking about Emmys.
     But, if you want to talk about other awards, Kaley has three nominations (for two different shows) in this category and won a The Satellite Award for best actress.  Mayim was nominated that year for supporting but didn't win.  But I'm not going to claim that Kaley is a better actress because she won and Mayim didn't.  
    Her and Mayim have each been nominated for and won a Critic's Choice Award.    
  25. bfm liked a post in a topic by Tensor in [Spoilers] Discussion: Season 10   
    I do, and the reason is because of the character and her acting ability.  Not that she is better actor than anyone else.     
    TV's and Movies are not like other fields.  It's not usually the best person, it's the more well known, the more needed, the one that's been there longer, the one that will bring in more money, or even other reasons, who gets paid more.   Just like nominations are not necessarily indicative of who is a better actor than someone else.  
    Chris Pratt is making a whole lot more money these days, and it has nothing to do with being a better actor than he used to be.  It's simply because he was needed for the sequel to "Guardians of the Galaxy"  or he was coming off of "Jurassic World" which pulled in a lot of money and of some new movies wanted a draw.