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  1. What I adored about it is that there wasn't a double meaning in the sense of Amy trying to get to sex and Sheldon not getting it. The double meaning was that to them this IS literally like sex talk. She loves it! Man. I would say "get married", but that's beyond the point now, isn't it.
  2. I think what I love about this episode, upon rewatch, is that it's showing us how Sheldon has changed while at the same time he is still Sheldon. With Ramona, he's his usual, oblivious, clueless, uninterested Sheldon from years past. He barely notices her "attributes" and even if he does it's from a very "matter-of-fact" point of view. This is the Sheldon from S2-3 that some parts of the fandom (who has probably quit by now, who knows - and who cares) kept complaining was gone and had been ruined. He's not gone. He's never been gone. He's just put 10 years of human life experience and interaction under his belt, has fallen in love, and has merged his old persona with all these experiences. Of course, this will mean nothing to people who want to dig their heels and insist the show has jumped the shark because the characters haven't remained static caricatures of themselves, but whatever. I think this episode greatly mixed the old and the new. As for the germophobia and the gang not noticing... well, I think they probably don't pay attention all that much and also I don't think they're as privy as to what goes on behind closed doors in the Cooper-Fowler residence, at least until last week. But it's another thing that makes sense to me. I know some might want Sheldon to only be ok with Amy touching him, but that's not how getting over a phobia works. Amy was the catalyst that made him begin to overcome it, but it's not something that was ever specific to one person. Phobias are serious, general obstacles. And I hope I'm never going to see people (not Shamy fans of course) complain because Sheldon (mostly) got over it, because that's like being upset that someone got over depression. If you enjoy watching someone be in distress because "it's funny", then you're a bully. The show has always found the way to find the humor in the difficulties, but ultimately it's a good thing that Sheldon is probably a lot more relaxed and happy in his every day life because of managing his phobias. And it's nice to watch him be more relaxed as a character too, because you know how much he had to work for it and it's payoff as a viewer.
  3. You are reading a whole bunch of things in his intentions that were never even hinted at on (or off) screen. Sheldon most definitely did not have sex with her just to keep her in the relationship. He already knew sex was not the reason for the breakup since in Platonic Permutation he asks if she has slept with anyone and she says no. And nothing in that episode, the ones that followed, or the interviews by the cast and crew said anything about that being even remotely a factor. He said ILY to her DESPITE Amy saying he didn't need to say it back and after she specifically mentioned social convention as one reason he shouldn't. And waiting to be ready to make a step (especially for someone with as many hungups and issues as Sheldon), or realizing change isn't that bad, has nothing to do with commitment, in any case. The *only* thing that might have potentially made Sheldon's commitment a question is science. I think science might be the only thing that could give Sheldon pause when it comes to Amy. But other than the Mars thing, that was never really an issue. The writers have never made commitment the issue with Sheldon, just his slow pace. I understand the two can be confounded with each other, but they come from very different places.
  4. Sheldon is not commitment phobic at all. He doesn't like change. It's a huge difference. A person who is afraid of commitment doesn't want to settle down precisely for the opposite reason: because they like change and they don't know if they are happy to stick with one thing for their whole life.
  5. I finally watched it and.... What. a. season. Besides the fact that it's the first year since S5 (S5!!!!) that I get to the end of the season 100% satisfied throughout (S8 came close but then... *shakes fist*), I feel such a big relief having one entire season unbesmirched and, more importantly, with Sheldon and Amy being so consistently in-sync throughout. I really enjoyed the episode (although of course it doesn't compare to my other favorites of the season) and I'm not concerned about the future. Molaro's interview makes me feel good (for a change) and just confirmed further that 1) they 100% made sure to make it clear Sheldon has no interest in Ramona, nor in cheating - that was never something they intended to play with and that 2) from everyone's reactions to the scene (here comes the 2017 edition of "Steve Molaro cries during a scene") this is it. Why would everyone get so emotional if this wasn't an actual, meaningful proposal? I doubt there's going to be massive drama coming from this, let alone multiple proposals. I think they will clear the air about Ramona in the premiere and they will probably have a touching scene at the end where Amy will accept. I actually think that the way they set up the whole thing, and the cliffhanger at the end, made sense from a technical and narrative POV. We might have preferred a different trigger to get Sheldon to propose, like maybe not having Ramona back but him just missing Amy and realizing he was ready to take that step because of that would have worked just great from our POV. But they have to write a comedy, it's a season finale, and they have to shock the audience and I honestly think it worked really well in that sense. Everyone was so focused on Ramona and whether or not Sheldon might cheat that I don't think anybody (in the general audience) thought a proposal was coming. It was sweet, it was romantic, it was shocking, but it wasn't cheesy or over the top. it was simple and to the point. And Sheldon is so calm and determined that there's no doubt in my mind his intentions come from a good place. From what I read on Twitter this morning, it's been received very well. And I've never heard the studio audience scream so hard in 10 seasons! I also think that had they had Amy say yes right away, and the kiss/hug whatever had come after, the scene wouldn't have had nearly the same impact from a visual/shock perspective, nor made much sense from Amy's POV. After all, Sheldon's just shown up out of the blue to propose when he's meant to be on the other side of the country, that it's just natural that Amy's first reaction would have been to be shocked and maybe confused. I think it would have been far weirder had she jumped up and said yes. This worked. It makes sense that they wouldn't know how exactly Amy will react and what her response will be because there's so many options to go with. But I'm fairly confident it won't be drama. Or they wouldn't have had Sheldon be completely clueless, innocent, and well intentioned about it. From a production POV too... an engagement between Shamy isn't a risk for the show. The biggest risk to the status quo of the show was changing the living arrangements, and that's all done and dusted successfully. An engagement will change nothing in terms of how the show is written and made. So there's really no reason why they might want to re-hash breakup-like drama over THIS, when the show is winding down to its end and Shamy have literally cleared every single issue they've ever had this season. I think the only real criticism I have for this episode is that I feel everyone overreacted far too quickly at the very start. I mean, a part of me wonders if that was the writers' tongue-in-cheek way of parodying the way things escalate quickly in the fandom. But I felt like they could have had a better buildup than one single lunch before the gang (and Amy) start panicking/getting crossed. They could have had a montage or a little time-jump to justify the worries. I felt like their concerns were far more organic later on, after Ramona turned down Raj, and took Sheldon swimming and showed up for dinner obviously intent on getting him alone. But, at the beginning of the episode, all that panic seemed a bit excessive. The gang was absolutely on fire though, and that staircase scene might be one of the funniest scenes they have ever shot. I don't know how they will pick up in 11x01 (although I think a classic Amy panic attack could definitely be in the cards), but, again, I am pretty sure it will all be fine by the end of the episode at the latest. Again, if they had wanted to toy with more drama, they would have made it much more ambiguous that Sheldon might have been into Ramona, and they would have had him run to Amy in a panic, not in that calm, determined and relaxed way he did. And... hey, for the first time in years, I get to have a happy hiatus!
  6. I had to take a 24-hour cooling down period before writing down my thoughts on the episode because otherwise there would have been nothing but an incoherent sequence of "awwww" and pterodactyl noises. Not necessarily in that order. I mean, I knew all along I would love the episode, but as always the things that often stand out to me, going into an episode spoiled, are the little things we didn't know about from the taping which take me by surprise. That entire conversation at breakfast was amazing, and you can tell the seeds of the proposal are being planted right there already. That's all Sheldon's essentially saying to her, that his life has become so interwoven with hers (and he loves it) he can't imagine himself without her. It's not about the things she can do for him, or where she can drive him to, or any of that. It's about how kind she is, and how she gets him, and how just her presence is comforting to him. And he's saying all that BEFORE finding out she's been offered the position, so there's no manipulative intent involved there. It's all coming right from a place of love and affection. And what was wonderful when he finds out about it is (and this is something that's totally incongruent with what Sheldon said Leonard told him - which is rich coming from someone who just last episode was whining because his wife *might* work with an ex) is that his immediate reaction wasn't to stomp his feet and forbid her from going. It was to clamp down his own emotions and tell her she should take it. If that's not loving and supporting, I don't know what is. Frankly, some of the advice from Penny too reminded me of how nobody really understands Sheldon and Amy BUT Sheldon and Amy. And the other thing that I didn't notice until I saw gifs later on, was the way Sheldon's face changes into a big smile in the last scene, when Amy tells him that she will love him no matter what. And his overprotectiveness in insisting she texts and calls him all the time. Again, that's not the kind of neediness he had with Leonard, it's about being with her and missing her as a person. Oh, and I can't believe I nearly forgot when he tells her "I'm proud of you, and support you in everything you do". I mean, can this episode scream "relationship goals" any louder? I don't think I have to say anything about the end of the once-a-year deal, because I'm sure there's been lots of discussion about that already (and I'll catch up with it shortly). And there's not much I could say about it that I didn't already when the report came out, given how we knew every little detail about it. Hehe. But I just love the ease and how well tuned with one another they are these days. It's nice that sex can now come from a place of emotional need instead of a deadline. At the cost of sounding like a broken record, I don't care how often they do (or don't) do it, but there was just something off with that deadline. I also LOVED that when Sheldon says that thing about warning her that if she wants to "hit some of that" and she's 3000 miles away he can't skype it to her, she's all "that's a risk I'm willing to take". Once again, loud for those in the back, Amy's not necessarily that much more sexually driven than Sheldon and that's why their sex life works for them. I think they've now hit a nice, comfortable, healthy balance for them and I never felt like they're as ready to conquer the world together as they are right now. It's a great place to be as the show winds down to its end. (Also, if this is Alex Ayers idea of an episode - given her writing credits - PLEASE WRITE MORE. And thank you.)
  7. Been busy all day but I just wanted to say: 1) Happy to hear the news that M&M have been officialized and got a bump in salary (still nowhere near what they deserve, but it's a huge bump nonetheless). Not that there were any doubts. 2) I loved last night's episode too. Once again a funny, feel-good, yet meaningful episode! Shamy are adorable as always and I have to say, I'm going to miss Raj being around Los Robles. I really like to see him hang out with Shamy and Lenny for a change, instead of always being relegated to Howardette's. It was great to see Zack again and I absolutely loved Bernadette's secret ventriloquist past. I often moan that the show doesn't give the girls the chance to be anywhere near as odd and quirky as their partners and this was exactly the kind of stuff I meant. I also loved Amy being "Sheldon" when out with the girls, with her phone and fact-checking. 3) I loved the plot about getting older and Sheldon feeling like he's not that special anymore. I totally agree with the discussion from earlier about how Sheldon was used to being a stand-out in every way as a child prodigy and how at the end of the day being a child prodigy mostly means you only get to things first, but eventually the perks start dwindling as you get older and become more "normal". And I loved that Amy *did* also mention his solid career in the list of reasons why he should be proud of his life. Top notch Shamy once again. And that tag was adorable. Roll on 10x23!
  8. I think there's lots of possible, plausible and IC reasons why Sheldon 1) hadn't proposed until now after their reconciliation and 2) decided that now was the time to do it. I don't think we are meant to take the "Amy drugged him jokes" seriously. I think they're tacky and terrible jokes, mind you, precisely because the writers think it's funny not to take them seriously when they're overtly creepy. But I don't think the writers meant to be serious about them and have Sheldon question Amy's motives for them. Now, Sheldon being hurt by the breakup and being scared it might happen again has always been something I thought could make a lot of sense, especially in terms of why he hasn't proposed yet. There are hints that he might feel like there's some lingering insecurity in terms of Amy possibly leaving again (e.g. the "escape hatch" thing, his forlornness when he finds out she might "leave him" for the summer like she's leaving for good that Leonard needs to put in perspective, him telling her to call him immediately if she meets someone that could be like him). But there are also a lot of hints that he's extremely comfortable and well-adjusted in their relationship right now and that all the things he's doing in it aren't things he feels pressured into doing to keep her (and he literally spells it out in 10x23 that he's not having sex with her just to get her to stay). So I don't know that we necessarily *need* to explain his delay in proposing with that. Would it be an interesting avenue to explore and one that makes sense, canonically? Sure. I'd be happy with that. But I don't think it's mandatory, and I won't be disappointed if they don't. Besides the, very valid, point that Sheldon just settles into the status-quo and never really feels the need to change it, if it works, there might be another very simple explanation: that they have gotten back together relatively recently, all things considered, and it makes sense not to pop the question immediately, no matter how attuned they might be (see Leonard in S5, when he asked Penny to marry him in the middle of sex right after they had started dating again). I guess it makes sense to let things settle a little, especially when so many things have changed with them: sex and living together are two huge shifts in their relationship in the last year, year and a half. The status-quo explanation also works in terms of why Sheldon decided *now* is the time to propose, after the Ramona debacle: the status quo of just being boyfriend and girlfriend is obviously no longer optimal since telling Ramona he is in a relationship and her wanting to pursue a relationship with him is a huge issue given that status didn't deter her from going for it anyway. So he might feel like a change of status is in order to make things even clearer to the world (of course, there's people who wouldn't care about that either, but that wouldn't cross Sheldon's mind at this point in time). I do think there might also be a component of guilt. Not the "Amy forgive me" type of guilt, but the "I should have made the uncrossable line thicker and it was my fault for being gullible" type of guilt. We won't find out until the premiere (and, who knows, they might never spell it out), but I think these are all valid interpretations and it's likely it's a combination of many, rather than a single one. I don't think any cheapens the gesture though, because, ultimately, he's had that ring for years, and it's obviously something he's been thinking about for a long time. So despite the status quo being great for them right now, it seems like it's something he's been pondering without even having any input from Amy or anyone else. He must have his own reasons for it that go beyond status quo, or making a statement, or guilt. ETA: Also, well, one thing we can't complain about is that Sheldon hasn't had work-related plots? He had two ongoing projects this year, and the Recollection Dissipation one I thought was one of the best Sheldon-work episodes in years, since they finally showed once again how brilliant he is at everything he does, rather than have him have his usual "Sheldon is arrogant and gets put in his place through failure" workplace plots.
  9. Yeah, their time jumps tend to be all over the place, and usually it's because they want to do holiday episodes. I personally wouldn't mind if Amy were a Princeton for a couple more episodes. As in, premiere with Sheldon in NJ as they sort out the proposal, then he comes back home, have a couple of episodes where they Skype and maybe Amy has her own plot in Princeton (one can dream), and then episode 4 she comes back home and it's a Shamy-heavy, reunion episode. The only thing I'm sad about S10 is that they never did that flag convention episode they mentioned at SDCC. I would love to see something like that in S11. Or for the gang to take a trip somewhere together.
  10. Good point, @Jonny about this being technically Sheldon's second (and maybe third - we don't really know when he was planning to pop the question after the S8 finale) attempt, even if Amy didn't know about it. So, yeah.... Even further reasons for why them going down a season-long string of proposals is unlikely. I also think the writers have other stuff they like to write for Shamy, and not all focused on romance. We have seen it this year, especially, and especially with their ongoing project (I LOVE that is mentioned in 10x23 again), that they can write plenty of one-on-one Shamy plots without even bringing up the word romance, so they don't *need* to milk this out to keep them interesting. I think they will settle in engaged life after the premiere and then the writers will pull out the wedding card when they feel like it in the next two seasons. It's time they focus on Lenny a little, they've been by far the weakest part of this season, IMO and they're the only ones who haven't really made any movement from where they were 2 years ago. Leave Shamy on the backburner with their work and FWF stuff for a while. I personally would be totally fine with them taking Lenny's place at the metaphorical "kitchen counter" observing the gang and making comments.
  11. I don't think they're going to go down the multiple proposals route again. It was a big Lenny thing, I don't think they can or want to recycle that because it's too obviously a copy. I think at most he's going to propose again in that same episode after they've talked things though. And I would love for Amy to panic!
  12. Completely agreed, April. I think that's the best scenario. It doesn't make sense at all for Amy to refuse or be that upset about it all to refuse, especially when he's travelled all across the country for her. It's a really grand gesture. There's no way she's not going to be moved. But it makes sense that she would be suspicious because Sheldon isn't exactly the type to show up suddenly on a whim without planning and telling her in advance. So I think a scene or two where they work that out, followed by her saying yes, is the best scenario. I was also saying yesterday that it could be that Sheldon stays in Princeton all summer, but I kind of want him to go back home now, maybe after a few days. Because I think it would be good for him to live alone for a bit, and also because it would be great to see him welcome Amy back home when she returns. Regarding Ramona. Am I the only one who kind of feels bad about Sheldon because I think he genuinely thought he had made a friend and it turns out she had ulterior motives? I honestly think he enjoyed spending time with her as a "play date" and it must be hard to find out she wasn't interested in a friendship at all and it was all a ploy to get into his pants. And, finally, 10x23 sounds A.M.A.Z.I.N.G! I agree with everyone who said that besides Shamy, what's great about both these episodes is that we see the gang as true, supportive friends to one another. There's no snarking or indifference or mean gestures. They are supportive and have each other's backs. This is exactly what I wanted (and never got) in S9, where it seemed like not only they didn't even know one another, but had short-term memory loss depending on who they hung out with. I wanted this cohesiveness and support, and it's great to see them in display here. The best episodes are always the ones where every character comes across strong.
  13. I watched Platonic Permutation earlier just to look at them and go "If only you knew where you'd end up in a little over a year". Cod, I love that episode (a rarity with me and S9, lol).
  14. My guess is 11x01 will pick up that same night, and then either Sheldon's back in Pasadena in episode 2 with Amy coming back in episode 3 or Sheldon stays in NJ for the summer and comes back with her in episode 2 (time jumping the entire summer). Unless the writers decided they have some cool and interesting work related plot for which they need Amy/Shamy to stay at Princeton, I don't think they're going to spend a lot of time on the long distance thing.
  15. Having never been really waiting for a proposal, I'm not that bothered by how it came about. I do understand that the way the catalyst has been set up was a bit random and perhaps not quite what people had in mind and parts of the episode do sound pretty cliche'. But it could very well be that the premiere will have them talk things through, explain Sheldon's mindset and that will make up for it. As in, I'm sure it's been on both their minds for a long time now and maybe it's more that the proposal is the catalyst for that life-long commitment talk than the other way around. Plus, flying across the country on the spot just to propose is a pretty big gesture regardless. I do find the fact that they skype twice a day and Sheldon talks about her all the time to be incredibly sweet.
  16. I think it would be very unreasonable and OOC of Amy to get pissed off and say no. I mean, for one, she's been wanting to marry Sheldon for ages. Secondly, again, Sheldon has done absolutely nothing wrong and the entire gang is his witness. Amy has always been very understanding and she knows him better than anyone. It would be ridiculous if she refuses because of this. She might "refuse" because when they talk it out, Sheldon admits he felt compelled to do it to demonstrate his commitment (which I think it's more likely than because he feared someone might hit on Amy - if they had wanted to go for that, they would have had Amy hang out with a handsome scientist or something) and they decide he will propose again when they're calmed down and do things "properly" once she's back in California. But I doubt she would say no because she feels he's not serious or committed enough or she's angry at him for that kiss. That just doesn't sound like Amy. There's also the other option that he's done it because that kiss made him realize that he's 100% committed and happy and there's no reason to wait. Or a combination of this and guilt. All scenarios where Amy might say yes in the premiere. Basically, I think she's either going to say yes, or a "deferred" yes, but I strongly doubt there will be major drama and angst about any of this.
  17. One reason I'm pretty confident that they will clear this out in the premiere is that if they had wanted to milk drama out by having Sheldon hide it from Amy, they would have had her say yes so you think everything is fine, and then in the premiere the other shoe drops. Or later, closer to the wedding. I think the fact that they left it hanging and that Amy knows about Ramona means that it's unlikely it won't get discussed. Also, they've been there, done that with Lenny. I doubt they want to recycle the same plot twice, especially since Sheldon didn't do anything wrong and has no reason to hide it.
  18. What I have heard through the grapevine blew my mind. Apparently it's Sheldon who asks to have sex and says that he's not doing it just to keep her in Pasadena, that he wants her to go and be happy. Basically, the writers have taken a few huge neon signs to put them in that scene and rule out any possible interpretation that isn't "they want to be physical because they love each other and are in the mood". I expected to be happy with the scene no matter what, and that it would be evident that it is mutual, but I didn't expect it to be spelled out out loud. In actual dialogue. Seems like a corner has been turned for good in that writers' room. ETA: Kazzie maybe can confirm. I'm pretty sure I have the gist of it though. I hope. LOL.
  19. LOL! That is another hilarious line. I love the action figure one too. But I had heard they cut the car scene in 10x23? Or am I mistaken? When does he say that about the scientist who has hair like Fabio?
  20. I don't think anyone can be mad at Sheldon, no. And to me it's more than not being able to read emotions, it is down to experience. Sheldon has never experienced "conventional" flirting and all the dancing around that goes on with that. He and Amy started out as very straightforward, everything-out-in-the-open friends with no ulterior motives towards each other. They got together before anything physical really happened between them other than that drunken kiss, but there was still a clarity of intentions at all times from both parties and none of these games that Ramona is playing. And, indeed Amy isn't any better than Sheldon. She had no clue Bert was hitting on her until Raj and Howard pointed it out and even then, she didn't buy it at first and it took her 5 minutes to figure it out for herself. Because they're just not used to this kind of behavior, they're not used to people having ulterior motives around them and, yes, they are very committed to one another and for Sheldon that should already means he's off-limits. I actually think they have written Sheldon as a massive sweetheart all season long, when it comes to Amy and these last two episodes are just the icing on the cake. We had been saying for years that you don't need to put them at odds with each other to make them funny, and this season has proven it so nicely.
  21. Mayim is such a sweetheart. I would love to meet her someday.
  22. Off topic: Your member status is my life right now, Kazzie. LOL. ETA: I find the swimming the most absurd, random and OOC thing about the entire episode. What the... how did the writers even come up with that one?! Since when does Sheldon go into pools?! I mean, I guess they wanted to make the point that Ramona is trying to show off her body and Sheldon's not having it, but still... that's so random.
  23. What I'm wondering about it Sheldon's reaction to the kiss. As in, is he shocked because of the kiss itself or is it something that clicked in his brain right at that moment about Amy truly being the only one for him that pushed him to fly over or is it the fact that he feels guilty as hell for something he really has no fault? I am sure this will be better explained in the premiere and/or the post-episode interviews (although those are often horrible, LOL). I also hope that he's going to come clear with Amy about the kiss right away and this won't turn into another Lenny kiss drama where Amy doesn't find out until months or years down the line. It just doesn't suit them as a couple. And I hope that, as upset as Amy might be with Ramona for hitting on Sheldon (let's face it, nobody wouldn't be annoyed by another person hitting on their partners insistently), she won't be angry at Sheldon for it. She should know better than that. In any case, I am much more looking forward to 10x23 than the finale. I literally cannot wait for that one.
  24. LOL Kazzie, you always get the best tapings! As for Ramona. Well, to be fair, she isn't coming onto Sheldon *that* hard, really. The only thing that gives it away is that she wants to get him alone. But Sheldon is so focused on Amy (I LOVE that he talks about her all the time) and just seeing Ramona in a friendly light that it doesn't cross his mind that them being alone might have ulterior motives. I find it believable because it isn't like Shamy had your average courtship with all the ambiguity and ulterior motives that usually entails. So even with his experience with Amy, that doesn't match the "average" of how these things work usually. Like, neither Sheldon nor Amy ever tried to get each other alone in order to get physical early on in their friendship, because neither of them was interested in that. But when Penny points it out, he confronts her immediately and maturely. I think this is a great episode for Sheldon, really. Amy is perhaps overreacting a bit, but it might be even just worry that he might be oblivious rather than jealousy per se. ETA: Also, don't forget that Sheldon used to spend a lot of one-on-one time with Ramona back in the day, also with no ulterior motives. So I don't think he can be faulted for not realizing she's hitting on him.
  25. I was reading that Raj asked her out? Btw, thanks to the attendees for the spoilers as always. Whoever you are!
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