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Sheldon Leonard, famous Jewish actor/writer/director. Hofstadter-Moebius loop;condition that affected HAL 9000. I imagined Penny and Leoanerd's wedding(well I just watched Wedding Crashers, again). On one side; hauty, intellectual,professionals,with money, on the other Nebraskian hill bilies, brother cooking up(as Penny describes him!). How long before a fight of words, breaks out? I think someone was right when they said; Penny and Sheldon get on so well because they come from the same culture. Common cultural, background and reference points, help alot!(edit because of crap PC!memory,etc)

I think alot of American films/programmes have suffered from what we could call the christian/hollywood paradigm. They are always trying to promote the idea of happy hetrosexual couples. I don't need to point out that countries use films/programmes as a form of propaganda. Wouldn't it be great if TBBT hadn't fallen into this trap; I can see Will and Sheldon, Penny and Amy, Howard and Raj,etc, working better, than their present pairings. I'd also like to see happy singles represented(Penny and Sheldon as happy, single, friends, who flirt a bit). Postmodernism does promote destroying old fashioned/no longer working/boring paradigms. Maybe somewhere a group of writers are ripping up the old scripts, and are willing to experiment! I need programmes that stimulate/challange/make me think!

Yes it's definetely a good idea to keep all us lunatics on this thread, discussing any random ideas that enter our (addled, with odd moments of sheer clarity) minds. Wouldn't want us taking over the asylum! I've started petitioning the Oxford Dictionary to include; Wallyisms, and the word 'sheldony'!

Oh great! I love lists. I'm sure Amy fans have a sense of humour. Obviously my problem with her comes from the effect she's having on Sheldon,Ie: trying to change him to suit her needs,shuuuddeerrr!!!!! Sheldon is much better as a single entity, in my opinion. Actually I think she should get her own spin-off!

If the doctor said you had a gangrenous foot, and that by cutting it off they could save the leg, and also the show!

Yes, and that majestic soundtrack by Maurice Jarre made it perfect.

I think if you look at any community; there will be those who accept what they are given, and don't want to change the status quo, but there will also be radicals and outsiders who think differently(they keep any communty dynamic). Some people dislike Shenny manips, but generally I find them hilarious, and a testament to the inventiveness of their creators. Rather than saying 'this is the way things are, we can't believe in anything else', people who use this thread are open minded, remake the world, the way they believe it could be, and keep a sense of humour while doing it. Sheldon would be proud of them!

They (the people who create programmes) have a box where they put all the characteristics they couldn't use on any other characters. How can a character be disposed of?

@willow thanks for the warning, I'll wear my axe/fire proof shirt! I'm a bit sheldony today, everthing I believe is true,is! There's just so little to watch, and now even this show has taken a dive! Might as well take what TBBT writers think we want, and tear it to shreds, just for fun. The worse it gets, the more outrageous I'll get !!!!!No Prisoners!!!

That's BILE! It has to come out somewhere!!!!!!Hey we might as well discuss this. Add it to the list of things we have no say in;politics,etc I have a feeling someone at CBS or TBBT reads some of this, they ought to!!!! I can just imagine Sheldon's mind working. 'everyone keeps hassling me about my sexuality, or lack of'. He would never date someone chosen by a computer program, especially when fed data about himself, by Howard and Raj. But he realises that by playing them at their own game he can stop the comments about 'his deal',etc. So he pretends to make friends with Amy, only annoying human that she is, she always wants more. I don't believe that Sheldon's logic would allow him to believe in 'love', and romance. He would go along with a Vulcan interpretation, but the rest is fakery, and writers conceit!

Yes I also like the idea of a fictional character,Amy, writing a fanfic about the two people she loves(lusts) after most. The Count knows I'll be there first, if I disagree with him, I don't!. I remember some of you agreed not to post negatively about Leonard or Amy, but I signed nothing. Amy is a succubus; she's been sucking out Sheldon's spirit, and the life out of the show, since she arrived. Please let me at those sham relationships; Howard, I'll make you into my mother Berny, and L& P it's not a relationship if you're scared of saying anything that challenges your blonde girlfriend, who is clearly out of your league! Ah! that's better. I heard a cliche, 'if it doesn't have an edge, give it one'. TBBT used to have a few edges; nemeses, parents giving insights, Sheldon's quirks. I can't work out why they've chosen, 'boring'. Are they too rich, and don't care, have they run out of ideas. It's hard to watch a show you love, die. Sack the writing team, and allow some of the fanfic writers to save it, and include some of the many ideas, and passion, shown on these pages.

When people come on this thread, we know they either accept that S and P relatiionship is integral to the show's success, or they are secret Shenny fans!!!!(ajond,etc). Why else would they be on this thread? I can't believe how quickly TBBT has gone down hill. It's like the show crashed into a mountain, and a few idiots are trying to reconstruct episodes from odd body parts. After an episode I used to find myself wondering at the genius of Sheldon, Penny and Sheldon's warm and humourous interactions. Now I can't remember it, two minutes later. It's just about a few boring couples! I can see them anywhere; on TV, or in local supermarket. They cancelled showing any more episodes here until mid-january, SO What!!!!

The magic at the heart of the show, was the 'odd couple' relationship between S and P. Since they stifled that; they want'normal'couples!!!! They killed the best things; Sheldon, and the S/P relationship, they killed the show!!!

OH and it's obvious that the writers don't take Amy seriously, otherwise they wouldn't give her lines like 'Eminem, scary!'

You know we don't care, just have a fifty minute rant against anything, and terminate with 'like Pand S do'. In some ways fictional characters seem more real(not the right word but closest!). Most living people lead pretty routine lives, whereas characters can do anything. It is strange the way an actor is creating a character; thought by thought, expression by expression,etc, but they are always the medium. From something Jim said, he get's little input into writing, that would be a priority, I would have thought, so that the actor and character are contingent(even meaning is escaping me!). I heard some of those actors who take their roles very seriously(maybe Christian Bale,Daniel Day Lewis,) say that getting into, and living the role takes them over, some even stay in character off screen , I think on a multiplicitous level(just insert your own words, I know what I mean but don't have the words to say it), it's as though the character slowly takes over the actor. Hey I'm just thinking about stuff, it amuses me!!!! I've enjoyed that Dead Souls, have you read any Absurdist, I'm thinking, Ionesco's Rhinoceros! Also Borges' Labyrinths, he explored identity, in stories like 'Pierre Menard, author of the Quixote'.