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  1. 1 hour ago, April said:

    The conversation wasn't about sex and his fears at that point so I'm sorry to say but I think your premise is faulty. It's a separate scene early in the episode and he was contemplating spending time with Amy on her birthday instead of going to the movie. It had nothing to do with sex cause he hadn't even made that decision yet. The conversation you are thinking about only comes later.

    Erm, yeah, it was about sex. Mayim thinks so too...

    43 minutes ago, Lady in Red said:

    In 9x11 Sheldon realizes that he should spend his limited time on Earth to be with Amy, instead of watching Star Wars.  Furthermore, in one of the interviews with Mayim about Opening Night, she mentions that Sheldon was so excited about coming up with the idea to have sex, that he immediately phones Amy in the middle of the night.  Of course, during the conversation he realizes that calling her wasn't the smartest idea, and rings off quickly.  But, I think this was one of the most romantic moments in the evolution of this character. 

    As I said, there are no life threatening reasons why this should be Amy's last birthday,  so no reason for any limitations. The limitation relates to sex. Do you really think Sheldon's actions were entirely selfless? He has no interest in sex.

  2. 4 minutes ago, mirs1 said:

    For me it meant just that he could have seen the movie any day, but Amy's birthday was just on December 17th. Sheldon (as we all, for that matter) has a limited number of days to live in this world, was going to the movies instead than celebrating Amy the way he wanted to spend that particular day?

    But that doesn't tie in with "be with her" as a euphemism for sex.  And you can argue that it isn't, but the whole conversation was about sex and his fears of becoming overwhelmed.

    So if we remove the euphemism, "you only have a limited time to have sex with her" is pretty blatant in its meaning and explains both the speed with which the sex occurred after their reunion as well as Sheldon's continuing disinterest in the act after the event.

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  3. 21 minutes ago, joyceraye said:

     I agree. The first time I heard the line I thought Arthur was reminding him that earthly lifetime is limited. Also the words 'be with this woman' sounded as though there was a lot of emotion behind them. On repeat viewings it's sunk in with me that he also tells Sheldon he can see the movie any time he wants to, in contrast to the time available to be with Amy. That implies to me that Sheldon has less time to spend with Amy, which doesn't make a lot of sense. I don't quite get the juxtaposition.

    This! Exactly this! You see if the line about "seeing StarWars any time" was not there then I would agree with the obvious meaning that Shamour and April mention.  But it is there, and that changes the meaning.

    "Being with her" (a euphemism for sex because Sheldon is already 'with' Amy relationship-wise) is time-limited. However, there is no limit placed on when he can see StarWars.  So, why is sex with Amy time-limited? Neither are elderly, neither have a life limiting illness. The window in which he can "be with her" is the only thing subject to limitation in Sheldon's imaginings. Why?

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  4. Hmm, there's a lot of talk here about Sheldon's motivation and timing for coitus with Amy, and plenty of mention about the role of Professor Proton and his ghost psyche, however, I don't see mention of one particular line.

    Why did Professor Proton/Sheldon's unconsciousness say that "there is only a limited time you can be with this girl"?

    Why did Sheldon feel his time with Amy was "limited"?  What did he think the outcome would be if he didn't 'put out'? That she'd leave him? Find someone who would deliver the goods?

     

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  5. 7 minutes ago, Tonstar17 said:

    ATOB QUOTED. Often Sheldon storylines are disguised as Lenny plots.

     

    True. I'm leaning towards an award for Leonard Sheldon and Howard. The lab and all the parents points toward some kind of an achievement. Oh well, it was nice to actually think we would get a lenny redo wedding but I guess it was just wishful thinking.

     

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    I think you'll get a redo eventually, now's too soon.  They only just got married! I'll bet they'll split them up again first and then, after some soul-searching, you Lennys will finally get the wedding you actually deserve.

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  6. 19 hours ago, Jonny83 said:

    Not sure I would want to take Bernie's experimental medicine as I wouldn't want to lactate suddenly or cry tears of acid.

    I think the Penny one is more plausible especially in the season finale. In terms of Sheldon I agree he is eventually going to have to "put out more than once a year" but I am not sure this will be raised in this episode. I think a proposal is the more likely finale involving Shamy or maybe an invitation to move in if Lenny decide to move out.

    Often Sheldon storylines are disguised as Lenny plots. Sex sells. Odd Shamy sex especially! I think the parallel for Sheldon's wake-up will be in the failure of Leonard's parents sexless marriage and, for Penny, alarm bells will ring with Leonard's father's new relationship with "a waitress". I'm guessing this waitress is uneducated, but very, very pretty, and I'm also guessing her attractiveness is her biggest attritube as far as Leonard's father is concerned.

     

    16 hours ago, nibbler747 said:

     

    I am happy that Shamy are back together and generally happy.  Coitus is a big thorn in my side though.  I honestly would have preferred if they had not done it yet rather than the way they did it.  First, sex as a gift is a really terrible concept.  Second, not doing it again?  Ugh!!!!  If I was Amy I'd feel terrible.  I'd think, he only had sex with me cause I wanted it, not him.  That's not sweet.  I think it would hurl me into some spiral of feeling pathetic.

    +1

    However, Amy's a biologist, and even if she wasn't, it doesn't take a genius to work out that Sheldon is not your run-of-the-mill heterosexual man. He is obviously prepared to do this for her.  We can only assume she is at peace with it, even if perhaps she's more than just a little sexually frustrated by the situation. Clearly though, she doesn't take his lack of interest personally.

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  7. 11 hours ago, Kathy2611 said:

    And this is just more examples of how stupid the line that Penny (or ANYONE) has to force him to take medicine!

    He turned down Bernie's medicine in the 'Empathy' episode, perhaps they're utilising that here?

    Leonard's Dad is being featured for a reason, there has to be a learnable lesson in the offing. My predictions are Sheldon realises that to keep hold of his relationship he has to put out more than once a year, and Penny will get a glimpse of her future and not much like what she sees (and so scarpers).

    I can see the last ever episode being unicorns and rainbows but not what could be the penultimate Season finale. They need to bring the invested viewers back in the fall and frankly the quality has dropped too far to bring people back just for the funny, cause that ship has sailed (jumped right over a shark I think).

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  8. 10 hours ago, SRAM said:

    The only head canon here is your hate for a fictional character, it has been evident in all your comments about Leonard.  There is no reasonable arguing with you when your ideas are all biased by your character hate.

    Oh I do so love being told what I think!!!

    Actually, I've told you I don't hate Leonard.  Indifferent and apathetic is how I would sum up my feelings for Leonard overall, but he's not unlikeable, and I'm pretty certain he's not being portrayed to be either.  The writers try to elict viewer sympathy for the character, and mostly succeed in doing so IMO.

    Leonard, as a character, is entirely necessary to the assemble. It's a "straight man" role and he serves as a counter to the more "whacky" characterization of the others. He has also been adopted by many Lenny Shippers who see parallels with themselves or just find vacarious pleasure in his love story with Penny.

    Personally I find him boring. I have no desire to watch a wholly good character, plus, it's simply not believeable or realistic. Of late Leonard's halo has slipped, and hallelujah for that, at last he's a little less dull! Who knows, I might even take an interest! Perhaps the writers are trying to reinvigorate the character, he had got pretty stale (and I loved him jumping rope and roared at his "sexy carrot" so they're succeeding somewhat)?

    Currently though, he's still 'Meh! Leonard' with me.

    9 hours ago, SRAM said:

    Like a scientist who uses grant money to buy red vines.

    what I find horrible is a man who will seriously try to use proven physiological techniques to train a woman to act like he wants. That kind of deception is the worst there is.

    Which is why Sheldon is such a marvelous "villian". He rarely bores me. 

    10 hours ago, Tensor said:

    Still deception and still wrong?  You mean the girl who is trying to trick the guy to get something from the guy, yeah, that is wrong and deceptive.  Just like the guy who poses as the millionaire.  

    On 19/04/2016 at 10:59 PM, ATOB said:

     

    Manipulating someone because you know they want to have sex with you has you in control of your body.

    Being manipulated into giving sex removes this control.  The person manipulating takes the control.

     

     

    There is a difference, see above. That's why I said up thread that you can't compare someone taking advantage of getting a lift in a car to someone taking advantage of another person's body.

    They are two different things, very different, opposite in fact!

  9. On 19/04/2016 at 11:18 PM, Tonstar17 said:

    You're comparing Penny using sex to manipulate and Penny being manipulated into sex as the same thing when in fact they are the opposite.

    Manipulating someone because you know they want to have sex with you has you in control of your body.

    Being manipulated into giving sex as succour removes this control.  The person manipulating takes the control.

     

     

     

    It's called kinky sex. seriously we all do it. Sad face, feeling down, arguments. We want our partner to be happy and if sex is the cure, we do it or buy them a gift, or whatever to cheer them up, just like some woman withhold sex when they are mad at their man. it could be anything. Sometimes the bond is so powerful that you just cant keep your hands away and it is hard to resist. It might come across as manipulating but not the intention. Its called love.

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    The thing with sex, kinky or otherwise, is that if you are deceiving a person in order to get what you want then you're not both equal participants in the act are you? Someone who is being played cannot make a clear judgement on what they want out of the encounter.

    Way back I gave an example of women who disguise themselves as boys in order to seduce other women. Now, using this argument, you could say the girl's said yes to sex and wanted it, but no-one in their right mind would. It's clearly abuse. No two ways about it. And it's abuse because deception was used. But this is an extreme example.

    A less extreme example would be the guy who poses as a millionaire in a nightclub to trick a 'gold-digging' girl. Still an example of deception of course, but would one have a great deal of sympathy with the 'greedy and shallow' girl? Perhaps not, but it's still deception, and it's still wrong regardless.

    Oh, and I don't hate Leonard BTW. I don't have strong emotions either way concerning him. "Meh" sums my  feelings up if you're really interested. 

    Wowbagger has copyright on 'Ugh Raj' so I'm bagging (Geddit? Geddit?) 'Meh Leonard' for my own.

  10. On 19/04/2016 at 0:09 AM, SRAM said:

    Again where is the lie, you still haven't answered that.  Leonard WAS upset about the book and the book was about how awful a mother she was, Dr Gallo even agreed with Leonard about her books.  He even tells Howard that Penny is trying to comfort him with sex and other things because of the feelings she brought up by reading, then asking him about the book, so he is milking-in.  She is offering him things and although he is not proud of himself, he is taking her up on her offers and even encouraging her.  But he is not telling her a lie, what is your obsession to label him, it is just like when you couldn't wait to call him a cheater.  (Just admit it, you hate a fictional character, it is the first step to being cured).  Also, it could be said that Leonard in a way is punishing her for what she insisted on doing with the book, just like she then punishes him later with Beverly, by teasing him to get him to strip to embarrass him to his mother, which was extremely cruel and many people agree with that.  In the end they are perfectly even in my book, but I don't expect you to agree with your dislike of Leonard and you need to put him down.

    "He even tells Howard that Penny is trying to comfort him with sex and other things because of the feelings she brought up by reading, then asking him about the book"

    No he doesn't. This is purely your own head-canon, nothing more. Read the script sample again. This is you trying to justify Leonard's behavior. Leonard says no such thing to Howard.

    "..although he is not proud of himself.."

    Except he is. He is! He even bragged about it. Read the script sample again.

    "Also, it could be said that Leonard in a way is punishing her for what she insisted on doing with the book"

    I sincerely hope you're wrong because what sort of person tricks another into sex as punishment? Do good guys do that sort of thing?

    "Again where is the lie?"

    The whole scenario is based on deception. Leonard's deception and Penny's subsequent retribution. What did you think it's about if not that?

     

  11. On 20/04/2016 at 3:51 AM, Carlos said:

    Whoa! Whoa! Whoa! 

     

    whoah whoah whoah.gif

    On 20/04/2016 at 3:51 AM, Carlos said:

    Hold on  a minute. It WAS a dick move by Leonard but "taking advantage " of someone's body makes it sound as if she would have never had had sex with him to begin with. They are not two strangers who just met, are they? And...how is Leonard taking advantage of Penny's body when they had previously had had sex many, many, many, many times?  I believe that in the beginning her really was hurt, btw even if he did take advantage of the circumstances in the end. He WAS a dick and got punished for it. I however do not agree with your characterization.

    You don't like the term 'taking advantage' then?  However you're happy that Leonard was 'milking it', cause you've all mostly agreed he was. Milking it? Milking it?  Hmm what does that mean exactly, milking it?  Let's see....

    taking more time or advantage than you're really due because you can get away with it. Short for "milking it for all it's worth."
    Potaaayto / Potaaarto
     

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=milking+it

    Perhaps you need to whoah, whoah, whoah yourself Carlos....hey you know what, I read some wise words on here recently that may help, let me see....

     

    In Sheldon's voice: "Peace out (he says "homie", but I'll say) camelliayao"

    ...and I'll swap 'camelliayao' for 'Carlos'.  Perhaps you need to heed your own advice?

  12. 23 minutes ago, JE7 said:

    You know he dosent your just trying to change the argument by putting him on the defensive, a nice tactic if it works but totally off topic

    Erm, no. SRAM wrote this.  You need to read the tread properly JE7.  I was answering this.....note the last line.

     

    58 minutes ago, SRAM said:

    You are blowing this way out of proportion, Leonard milked-it when Penny OFFERED sympathy for what she did to upset him, no where did Leonard trick her into sex.  He even said to Howard that Penny was trying to appease Leonard for what she done by doing things for him.  Leonard only took advantage of what she offered, he never tricked her to do anything.  It is no different when Sheldon has someone agree to drive him somewhere then piles on additional stops to take advantage of the offer.

     

    10 minutes ago, SRAM said:

    Really, and how did he do that?  I never saw Leonard ask her for anything, she offered it to him everytime.  According to your very black and white interpretation of things, Penny was taking advantage of Leonard's body when she dragged him for sex to get him away from Alex because she knew him and because of that knew he would go with her.  

     

    I do not believe there was any trickery in this situation.  Penny offered sex, Leonard (we assume) said yes. Quite upfront.

    Do you really not see the difference?

    15 minutes ago, Carlos said:

    No I'm not, with one caveat. The context of this is that he manipulated her to have sex with him, but it is not as if they weren't having sex anyway, so in reality he manipulated her into having more sex than she would have had with him. I also I think it was more manipulating her into doing what he wanted her to do. IMO he wanted to feel "the power" to make her do whatever he wanted. I know, total douche move , and he got punished for it, and justifiably so.

    At last, a sane voice in a sea of insanity!

    25 minutes ago, SRAM said:

    When did Leonard lie?  He made it perfectly clear from the beginning that her reading that book upset him and then he begged her not to ask him anything about it, so again when did he lie?

    Leonard: Who just had sex with me at work.

    Howard: Damn. How’d you swing that?

    Leonard: Well, whenever I talk about how awful my mom was, Penny will do anything to make me feel better.

    Howard: Seriously?

    Leonard: Look, I mean, I’m not proud of it, but it does work. I got her to watch a six-part documentary on Monty Python. Even I was bored, I just wanted to see if she’d make it to the end.

    Howard: You sound kind of proud of it.

    Leonard: I am, I’m really proud.

  13. 14 minutes ago, Tonstar17 said:

    Leonard saying he did things with Penny to get sex and apparently Leonard manipulating penny for sex cause he was sad about penny reading Beverleys book. Just my take on ATOB'S COMMENTS.

    You're comparing Penny using sex to manipulate and Penny being manipulated into sex as the same thing when in fact they are the opposite.

    Manipulating someone because you know they want to have sex with you has you in control of your body.

    Being manipulated into giving sex as succour removes this control.  The person manipulating takes the control.

     

     

  14. 8 minutes ago, SRAM said:

    You are blowing this way out of proportion, Leonard milked-it when Penny OFFERED sympathy for what she did to upset him, no where did Leonard trick her into sex.  He even said to Howard that Penny was trying to appease Leonard for what she done by doing things for him.  Leonard only took advantage of what she offered, he never tricked her to do anything.  It is no different when Sheldon has someone agree to drive him somewhere then piles on additional stops to take advantage of the offer.

    Sorry but that's not what Leonard told Howard.....

    Leonard: Who just had sex with me at work.

    Howard: Damn. How’d you swing that?

    Leonard: Well, whenever I talk about how awful my mom was, Penny will do anything to make me feel better.

    Howard: Seriously?

    Leonard: Look, I mean, I’m not proud of it, but it does work. I got her to watch a six-part documentary on Monty Python. Even I was bored, I just wanted to see if she’d make it to the end.

    Howard: You sound kind of proud of it.

    Leonard: I am, I’m really proud.

    Leonard did not mention Penny reading his Mother's book as justification, he certainly DID trick her, not only into sex but into watching a Monty Python documentary she didn't want to see.

    Why are you trying to excuse the inexcusable? Just accept it was a dick move by Leonard! Why's that so hard to do?

     

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  15. 26 minutes ago, Tonstar17 said:

    Lenny 2.0. Penny held back sex for 3 months, to me that was teaching Leonard a lesson for what he said about doing stuff with Penny to get his leg over. They have gone past that and just because Leonard probably has a higher sex drive than penny and wants it all the time doesn't make it manipulative. Penny enjoyed it but was just upset that he lied to her which he didn't have to cause his her boyfriend. Penny would have accepted his apologise and bang his brains out after leonard shut the laptop on Beverley and gave her those puppy eyes.

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    Penny held back sex for three months? Was that the beta test thing? Is that what you mean? I didn't see that as being a punishment. I saw it as them finding their feet and taking things slow.  

    You're right, Leonard didn't need to lie to get sex from Penny. So the question is, why did he?

  16. 6 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

    Two things:

    1. I don't recall at the beginning of the discussion you calling Penny "a rat-bag".

    2. If she wasn't "a rat-bag" at the beginning of the episode this discussion would not be going on.

    This sounds very much that you think the trickery on Leonard's part WAS just deserts? Really? REALLY?!!

    I don't think Leonard did it to get even. I didn't see it as some sort of revenge! I saw it purely in an oportunist capacity, that he did it because he could and it was to his advantage. Sh!t, seeing it as an act of revenge gives the whole situation a much, much darker tone....that's pretty f**ked up no?

    In answer to your question, calling Leonard out for being a dick does not mean that in contrast I believe Penny to be an angel.  I did question why is this assumption is automatically made earlier.

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  17. 21 hours ago, Carlos said:

    Pure fallacy with a side order of sarcasm. Not my choice.

    Sarcasm? Abso-bleeding-lutely!

    Fallacy? Nuh-uh! Written from direct experience I'm sad to say. My realities may be your fallacies but we all experience life according to circumstance.  Do you think your reality is the same reality as say Prince William's, or the alcoholic who's begging on the street, or Donald Trump's, or Stephen Hawking's, or a Syrian rufugee's, or Madonna's....I could go on....indefinitely...but YMMV suffices just fine I find.

  18. 21 hours ago, Carlos said:

    Whether I agree with the rest of your opinion could be a matter of discussion, BUT the part that you seem to forget in your assessment  is that Leonard asked Penny repeatedly not to read the book because he was genuinely hurt by all of it, and she did anyway.

    Oh, and you have my absolute agreement that she was a rat-bag for doing so, however, you're not really trying to use this as some sort of justification for Penny being tricked into sex are you? Please tell me you're not! Please tell me you don't think that Leonard doing this was some sort of just deserts, because I truly don't see how manipulating someone into having sex with you is justifiable in any circumstance.

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  19. On 18/04/2016 at 3:52 AM, Tensor said:

    Nah, you don't have to.  I can list all of them myself, as I can list Leonard's.   I just don't see her saying that because of what happened two years ago.  She's been rather snarky all season, and if that is the reason, and she is going to continue to do that, after two years, I don't see why she would stay with him.  

    You can wait until tomorrow to answer this.... :shy:

    Night/Morning G. 

    Oh, I didn't see Penny's "you probably deserved it" in a grudgey way at all.  I read it as "yeah, yeah, nice try, 'cept I ain't buying it this time and, guess what, this ain't about you mister so I'm shutting you down" in four quick words.

    But each to their own, it's not obligatory for us all to interpret what we see in the same way. YMMV!

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  20. 1 minute ago, Tensor said:

     

    Because all I see are comments specifically directed at Leonard, without any mention of the same behavior in Penny.  I'm sure you can see Penny's faults, but that isn't apparent to me in your comments.

    Of course it doesn't.  However, when only one is getting excoriated for behavior the other one also indulges in, the argument seems specious.  

    It's turned into more, but it started out as my opinion (and that's all it is, an opinion) about where I thought the line "you probably deserved it" came from.  If Leonard had never tricked her into sex then I guess I'd also be here saying she's a nasty bit of work along with the Penny haters on here. 

    I'm not a Penny hater, nor a Leonard hater. They are both portrayed as human and fallible IMO and I actually see the opposite of what you're accusing me of all the time on here; Leonard can do no wrong,  Penny's a b!tch, two wrongs make a right. As I see it, Leonard is often wrong, so is Penny, and both of them treating each other badly doesn't excuse the behavior of the other.

    If you want me to list all the crappy things Penny's done then it'll have to wait till tomorrow, sleep is finally threatening as the birds start their dawn chorus....typical! 

     

    G'night / G'morning!

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  21. 24 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

    The problem started with Penny having the book to begin with. As someone else also mentioned she had other options in books. Not only that Beverly made Penny cry in season 2 and in season 3 told her and Leonard that Penny's job prospects weren't good so don't make her responsible for her own orgasms.(something like that). At this point Penny should not like Beverly. Instead she picks her book that belittles Leonard. penny should feel bad about that and  she did. Doing what Leonard wanted was probably fair. The thing was he took it too far. But Leonard in season 5 admitted going along with her choice of dating events so to ensure he was getting sex. It could also be said that it was part trickery and part stupidity on Penny's part. Bernadette saw right thru Howard doing the same tactics. I could see being  mad at Leonard but she really should have been more mad at herself. Bringing in Beverly made sense that it ended the storyline but the storyline itself was more of the problem

    Penny didn't realise Leonard was pretending to like things just to have sex with her, again another relevation. There wasn't any trickery on her part, just like she didn't realise that she never ever did anything that Amy wanted to do on their girls nights either. It just didn't occur to her. She enjoyed doing those things so assumed they did too. 

    Yes, she could've picked another book, it would've been kinder, but I'm not here telling you Penny is always kind. Sometimes she's unkind.

  22. 54 minutes ago, vasu said:

    oh really ?? she was used to infidelity but not the deceiving to gain sexual favour... if I remember Leonard told her earlier in season 5??? that he used to do a lot of things he hated because he wanted to have sex...... 

    and Penny we all know uses sex to her own advantage... and Penny would'nt even tell Leonard she was going to quit her job...that she had a guy to do her finances.... and also secretly goes behind Leonard's back and talks to sheldon and gets him to do favors for her and her only in regards to RA....

    And if I was arguing that Penny is wholly right and Leonard is wholly wrong then perhaps I would try to spin her behavior, but that's not what is happening here and once again we find ourselves in agreement.

    7 minutes ago, vasu said:

    picture was of penny.....but post was about two married people....and yet you only took the penny side of it....

    I know the difference... but I just don't see it......... especially here....

    The comparible pictures were smily bright Penny and then frowny-faced Penny. Leonard was not in the first picture so no comparison to be made.

    51 minutes ago, djsurrey said:

    I was taking about her bright smile and her frown. Married people see each other not only at their best peppy bubbly times but when they are sick, tired, disappointed and grumpy times too. So the comedy throws a light on that.

    Vasu, note the word "her".

    21 minutes ago, Tensor said:

    You mean like how Penny hid how much she made and hid all her credit card debt?    Why is Leonard singled out for this.  Not only that, but somehow after Leonard found out,Penny gets condescending towards Leonard about how much she made, something she didn't tell Leonard (deceiving).  Which Leonard knows about an accepts as it's part of her make up, look at how she lied to her father.  

    As I said above.  This is not a case of one person being 100% right and another being 100% wrong.

    Why do you think I'm blinkered and unable to see Penny's faults? Each of them having faults does not cancel out the wrong-doing of the other.

  23. 14 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

    But Penny had a financial advisor and credit card debt was unknown to Leonard. So to me that's a trade off with the hiding money (the horror) and sexual favor ( with SO). As to Leonard's cheating I get your point bu the cheating was never on Penny and that should have been a revelation. Letting the cheating go by made no sense to me. The writing in general has been awful this season overall. With the Lenny storyline, the Shamy storyline, and the Raj mess IMO Molaro should be embarrassed at this point.

    Oh, I think the show's had it myself. I'm watching out of habit and faint hope that Sheldon may show some sexual interest in Amy, but even that seems unlikely as the Season nears it's end.  That's why I think Leonard's parents example will be the catalyst to bring about a change so that Season 10 will be able to explore Shamy's sex life.

    2 hours ago, Chrismo said:

    But does Penny know that? Has Penny ever tricked Leonard? Wasn't Leonard's  mom awful? Again if he had said nothing to Howard what would of happened? Ironically Bernadette told Penny about him tricking her into sex but said nothing about Mandy.

    I'm sure Penny has tricked Leonard plenty of times.

    Yes, Leonard's mother is (delightfully) awful....and hallelujah for that! She's a fabulous villain!

    If he hadn't bragged to Howard then Penny would've been none the wiser.

    Bernie told Penny because it was ongoing and Penny had the right to know that she was being played. Why she kept sctum about Mandy is anyone's guess.

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