Isn't Sheldon a good friend?

[Mario D.]

14 hours ago, chucky said:

Them staying there was ridiculous. A married couple does not live with a  former roommate when a perfectly furnished apartment is empty across the hall. But they stayed for the comedy effect that the writers were looking for. 

Sheldon's violation of his own conceived roommate agreement was numerous. It was his thing to criticize Leonard's work and his reputation as a scientist. 

As shown several times Sheldon conceived the Roommate and Relationship agreements to benefit him and him only

[chucky]

4 hours ago, Mario D. said:

As shown several times Sheldon conceived the Roommate and Relationship agreements to benefit him and him only

True. It's been proven time and again that he only thought of himself. Everyone else was an afterthought. With the possible exception of his mother and Meemaw. 

Edited September 1, 2022 by chucky

[SBGrace]

On 8/28/2022 at 8:51 PM, chucky said:

About being shallow, you seem to forget one of the most shallow, which was Raj. 

How is he the most shallow one, they all are which is disappointing considered they are not conventionally perfect themselves.

On 9/1/2022 at 1:38 PM, Mario D. said:

As shown several times Sheldon conceived the Roommate and Relationship agreements to benefit him and him only

Yes he has been honest about this. But the charavters enabling him doesn't help.

 

On 9/1/2022 at 5:42 PM, chucky said:

True. It's been proven time and again that he only thought of himself. Everyone else was an afterthought. With the possible exception of his mother and Meemaw. 

Yes Sheldon become Selfish and self absorbed charavter after s3. 

[SBGrace]

On 8/29/2022 at 8:39 PM, chucky said:

I agree that he knows exactly what he is doing. Maybe the first few seasons he might have been a bit clueless. He blossomed into a full blown condescending jerk. How Leonard put up with Sheldon is beyond me. Maybe he stayed to be close to Penny. 😂

Leonard wasn't any better himself, I am watching S6/S7 and his digs at Sheldon doesn't put him in a good light. He seems to have low self esteem and puts up with Sheldon ruling over him.

Leonard isn't perfect but is sarcastic and condescending to Others, Raj too.

[SBGrace]

On 8/31/2022 at 9:33 PM, Mario D. said:

They do have a dysfunctional friendship and yes Leonard should have moved in with Penny, but what was even more ridiculous was why they stayed with him after they were married! Penny was the one that caved in to Sheldon's whining about being abandoned and alone. Even worse was they still stayed there after Sheldon and Amy reconciled. Just totally ridiculous

Why did Penny do that? 

I remember in S7 she would give into his immature requests. 

I get Leonard because of low self esteem and his issues. I think he may feel the need to lean on Sheldon. 

Penny on the other hand complaint but put up with it when she didn't have to.

[Mario D.]

1 hour ago, SBGrace said:

Why did Penny do that? 

I remember in S7 she would give into his immature requests. 

I get Leonard because of low self esteem and his issues. I think he may feel the need to lean on Sheldon. 

Penny on the other hand complaint but put up with it when she didn't have to.

This also happened when they took in Raj as a boarder. Penny was anxious for him to live there but as I recall in season 12 could not wait to get rid of him as did Leonard.

[SBGrace]

On 8/28/2022 at 8:57 PM, Mario D. said:

Sheldon's arrogance and condesencion is manifested in many ways towards his so-called friends. Some instances are: the sweater incident with Leonard, the blackmail to Priya and Leonard just to get his way in the RA, the constant mocking of  Leonard about his job and references that his "friends" are there to cater to his every whim and take him whereever he needed to go without asking only assuming they will. But most of all his attitude towards Amy the woman he supposedly loves. These are not the images of a true friend.

This helped me see another perspective, I almost got caught in the early S1-S3 but he is extremley condescending. Which I think was overplayed.

On 8/28/2022 at 9:12 PM, chucky said:

Totally agree and so sad. Not to mention the terrible things he said about Penny as well.  

His remarks and digs to Penny was SO UNCALLED FOR. I get put off as viewer. He also put down his sister alot, he thinks his acamedic achievements make him better.

[chucky]

4 hours ago, carlzdooms said:

I think the sweater incident was absolutely one instance that showed he knew exactly what he was doing. 

 

True,  but another one was the dining room table episode. Where his comments about the baby winning was a sign that he knew what he was doing. 

[Tensor]

I could never see Sheldon as innocent and non-understanding after The 43 Peculiarity.  Anyone who could come up with a chicken pecking for corn analogy, while bobbing their head understands quite well what is going on.  

[NeckShotLime]

5 hours ago, Tensor said:

I could never see Sheldon as innocent and non-understanding after The 43 Peculiarity.  Anyone who could come up with a chicken pecking for corn analogy, while bobbing their head understands quite well what is going on.  

Hi Tensor,

Your message got me thinking. Remember the spanking scene at the end of "Fish Guts". Do you then think that, in a way, he was aware of what was happening because to me,he looks so clueless . 

The whole thing made me a bit unconformable to be honest because while she's clearly aroused,he looks like he has no clue but maybe on some level he knew? 

If he can mimic a specific sex act surely he knows that an adult spanking another adult has a sexual connotation. 

[chucky]

8 hours ago, NeckShotLime said:

Hi Tensor,

Your message got me thinking. Remember the spanking scene at the end of "Fish Guts". Do you then think that, in a way, he was aware of what was happening because to me,he looks so clueless . 

The whole thing made me a bit unconformable to be honest because while she's clearly aroused,he looks like he has no clue but maybe on some level he knew? 

If he can mimic a specific sex act surely he knows that an adult spanking another adult has a sexual connotation. 

I'm not Tensor, but I will weigh in on this. I think in the earlier seasons as in Seasons 1 thru 3, he was clueless except for science and math. But from Season 4 on, he wasn't so clueless. He learned a lot, for example sarcasm. 

[HeWolf]

My perspective on Sheldon is that the character was only authentic for the first 4 seasons. He was never as naive or innocent as some perceived him to be, or as his friends argued he was to excuse his eccentricities. He was, however, genuine in being the character introduced in the first season. Once he started his path to whatever he eventually became the writers made him inconsistent in behavior and just wrote whatever they thought made him funny to watch. Regarding the episode with the spanking I did not see Sheldon recognizing the act as having any sexual aspect. Nor did he attach any sexual connotation to rubbing Vap-O-Rub on Amy's chest.

These things always come back to the writers. What was a character's outlook or attitude at any given time? Whatever the writers say it was.

[chucky]

12 minutes ago, HeWolf said:

My perspective on Sheldon is that the character was only authentic for the first 4 seasons. He was never as naive or innocent as some perceived him to be, or as his friends argued he was to excuse his eccentricities. He was, however, genuine in being the character introduced in the first season. Once he started his path to whatever he eventually became the writers made him inconsistent in behavior and just wrote whatever they thought made him funny to watch. Regarding the episode with the spanking I did not see Sheldon recognizing the act as having any sexual aspect. Nor did he attach any sexual connotation to rubbing Vap-O-Rub on Amy's chest.

These things always come back to the writers. What was a character's outlook or attitude at any given time? Whatever the writers say it was.

So true!

[Mario D.]

1 hour ago, HeWolf said:

My perspective on Sheldon is that the character was only authentic for the first 4 seasons. He was never as naive or innocent as some perceived him to be, or as his friends argued he was to excuse his eccentricities. He was, however, genuine in being the character introduced in the first season. Once he started his path to whatever he eventually became the writers made him inconsistent in behavior and just wrote whatever they thought made him funny to watch. Regarding the episode with the spanking I did not see Sheldon recognizing the act as having any sexual aspect. Nor did he attach any sexual connotation to rubbing Vap-O-Rub on Amy's chest.

These things always come back to the writers. What was a character's outlook or attitude at any given time? Whatever the writers say it was.

I agree Sheldon knew everything that made up the universe except for "radiohead"but was so lacking in normal social interactions. But that does not mean he did not understand them. He just was not interested enough to care about them. As far as the spanking incident I don't think Sheldon put any sexual connotation to it but Amy was getting aroused. However, the writers gave Sheldon enough ammunition to spark any thoughts he had about what he knew and of course for the laughs at the expense of the other characters. Since the show was so successful they kept it up.

[chucky]

45 minutes ago, Mario D. said:

I agree Sheldon knew everything that made up the universe except for "radiohead"but was so lacking in normal social interactions. But that does not mean he did not understand them. He just was not interested enough to care about them. As far as the spanking incident I don't think Sheldon put any sexual connotation to it but Amy was getting aroused. However, the writers gave Sheldon enough ammunition to spark any thoughts he had about what he knew and of course for the laughs at the expense of the other characters. Since the show was so successful they kept it up.

Yep!

[Tensor]

On 3/26/2023 at 7:30 AM, NeckShotLime said:

Hi Tensor,

Your message got me thinking. Remember the spanking scene at the end of "Fish Guts". Do you then think that, in a way, he was aware of what was happening because to me,he looks so clueless . 

The whole thing made me a bit unconformable to be honest because while she's clearly aroused,he looks like he has no clue but maybe on some level he knew? 

If he can mimic a specific sex act surely he knows that an adult spanking another adult has a sexual connotation. 

I have to agree with He Wolf.  After season four, he was written so inconsistently that you never knew exactly what you would get from him.  My point was that after that particular episode, I could never see Sheldon as naive.  In earlier seasons, you could go with he actually didn't know because of his lack of social skills.  Later seasons, he had to know, he had been told so many times and had the eidetic memory(another inconsistency?) to know better, right?   Because of that inconsistency, they could have him using a metaphor for sexual a specific activity and still be clueless about the sexuality of a spanking.  

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[chucky]

5 hours ago, Tensor said:

I have to agree with He Wolf.  After season four, he was written so inconsistently that you never knew exactly what you would get from him.  My point was that after that particular episode, I could never see Sheldon as naive.  In earlier seasons, you could go with he actually didn't know because of his lack of social skills.  Later seasons, he had to know, he had been told so many times and had the eidetic memory(another inconsistency?) to know better, right?   Because of that inconsistency, they could have him using a metaphor for sexual a specific activity and still be clueless about the sexuality of a spanking.  

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Well said! Couldn't agree more. You put it better than I did.