Why is it over?

[miramanee]

Hi guys! 

I signed up here on the forum today because I want to find out why the series was discontinued. Somewhere I read that Jim Parsons didn't want to continue. Which irritates me, because he is not necessary for the series. In fact, since season 7 he only disturbs. Because his character doesn't really develop, he is always the same nerd, who believes to know a lot means you are intelligent. And of course his conviction that the earth would turn only because of him and the sun would shine only for him. Overconfidence squared.

First of all, it might be important to know that I bought the series online in German a few weeks ago. The English track is available for free, but I don't know English that well. Especially not when it comes to sarcasm and hidden insinuations. In other words, I only heard about this series not too long ago and decided to watch it. My family has never had television, we go to the movies or buy DVDs. Every now and then we book a movie or series online for entertainment. (Note: we don't have TV reception, but we do have TV devices that run mainly as monitors; so we redirect entertainment booked online with notebooks to them).

So far I have avoided watching the last season. It would have been nice if 'Sheldon' would have been slowly removed in the 12th season and Barry Kripke would have been built up instead - a really brilliant supporting role. Sheldon would not be missed, because contrary to what Sheldon believes about himself, he is as dumb as bread. A walking, pompous data storage device, nothing more. Kripke has such a cool way of unsettling everyone and also driving them a little crazy. A good man, in whom the role of Mayim Bialik could have fallen in love, after Shelden would have gone missing in the Arctic like Lex Luthor once did in Smallville. As a final scene, he could have been shown in Hawking's wheelchair on an iceberg. Frozen with icicles on his nose.

The series could have run for another 10 years without Jim Parson, with him there was probably no choice but to end it.

LG, Janisha. 

[chucky]

3 hours ago, miramanee said:

Hi guys! 

I signed up here on the forum today because I want to find out why the series was discontinued. Somewhere I read that Jim Parsons didn't want to continue. Which irritates me, because he is not necessary for the series. In fact, since season 7 he only disturbs. Because his character doesn't really develop, he is always the same nerd, who believes to know a lot means you are intelligent. And of course his conviction that the earth would turn only because of him and the sun would shine only for him. Overconfidence squared.

First of all, it might be important to know that I bought the series online in German a few weeks ago. The English track is available for free, but I don't know English that well. Especially not when it comes to sarcasm and hidden insinuations. In other words, I only heard about this series not too long ago and decided to watch it. My family has never had television, we go to the movies or buy DVDs. Every now and then we book a movie or series online for entertainment. (Note: we don't have TV reception, but we do have TV devices that run mainly as monitors; so we redirect entertainment booked online with notebooks to them).

So far I have avoided watching the last season. It would have been nice if 'Sheldon' would have been slowly removed in the 12th season and Barry Kripke would have been built up instead - a really brilliant supporting role. Sheldon would not be missed, because contrary to what Sheldon believes about himself, he is as dumb as bread. A walking, pompous data storage device, nothing more. Kripke has such a cool way of unsettling everyone and also driving them a little crazy. A good man, in whom the role of Mayim Bialik could have fallen in love, after Shelden would have gone missing in the Arctic like Lex Luthor once did in Smallville. As a final scene, he could have been shown in Hawking's wheelchair on an iceberg. Frozen with icicles on his nose.

The series could have run for another 10 years without Jim Parson, with him there was probably no choice but to end it.

LG, Janisha. 

Interesting point of view. I agree that the show could have continued without Jim/Sheldon. The show was discontinued due to Chuck Lorre decided if one of the big three (Jim, Johnny or Kaley) decided to quit,  then he would end the show. At least that's my understanding. So, Jim wanted to quit, the show ended. 😊

[Mario D.]

4 hours ago, miramanee said:

Hi guys! 

I signed up here on the forum today because I want to find out why the series was discontinued. Somewhere I read that Jim Parsons didn't want to continue. Which irritates me, because he is not necessary for the series. In fact, since season 7 he only disturbs. Because his character doesn't really develop, he is always the same nerd, who believes to know a lot means you are intelligent. And of course his conviction that the earth would turn only because of him and the sun would shine only for him. Overconfidence squared.

First of all, it might be important to know that I bought the series online in German a few weeks ago. The English track is available for free, but I don't know English that well. Especially not when it comes to sarcasm and hidden insinuations. In other words, I only heard about this series not too long ago and decided to watch it. My family has never had television, we go to the movies or buy DVDs. Every now and then we book a movie or series online for entertainment. (Note: we don't have TV reception, but we do have TV devices that run mainly as monitors; so we redirect entertainment booked online with notebooks to them).

So far I have avoided watching the last season. It would have been nice if 'Sheldon' would have been slowly removed in the 12th season and Barry Kripke would have been built up instead - a really brilliant supporting role. Sheldon would not be missed, because contrary to what Sheldon believes about himself, he is as dumb as bread. A walking, pompous data storage device, nothing more. Kripke has such a cool way of unsettling everyone and also driving them a little crazy. A good man, in whom the role of Mayim Bialik could have fallen in love, after Shelden would have gone missing in the Arctic like Lex Luthor once did in Smallville. As a final scene, he could have been shown in Hawking's wheelchair on an iceberg. Frozen with icicles on his nose.

The series could have run for another 10 years without Jim Parson, with him there was probably no choice but to end it.

LG, Janisha. 

Hello Miramanee, welcome to the forum. For someone who does not know English that well you write exceptionally. As Chucky has replied Big Bang Theory had ended because Jim Parsons (Sheldon) thought it was time to leave as his character did not have any more story lines. He got married and won the Nobel Prize his two main goals. However, all the other characters were left without real closure. And you are right he is an obnoxious, insulting condescending jerk who never really grew up. It is not until the last episode does he realize, thanks to his wife, how selfish he was to his friends. If it were not for them he wouldn't have any friends at all.

[chucky]

1 hour ago, Mario D. said:

Hello Miramanee, welcome to the forum. For someone who does not know English that well you write exceptionally. As Chucky has replied Big Bang Theory had ended because Jim Parsons (Sheldon) thought it was time to leave as his character did not have any more story lines. He got married and won the Nobel Prize his two main goals. However, all the other characters were left without real closure. And you are right he is an obnoxious, insulting condescending jerk who never really grew up. It is not until the last episode does he realize, thanks to his wife, how selfish he was to his friends. If it were not for them he wouldn't have any friends at all.

Totally concur!😊

[NeckShotLime]

9 hours ago, miramanee said:

, he could have been shown in Hawking's wheelchair on an iceberg. Frozen with icicles on his nose 

 

Lmfao 😂😂 too funny

Well unlike you guys I don't think the show could have gone on without him. He was the major draw, people watched the show for him and in the later seasons,for the Shamy. It simply doesn't work without him 

[chucky]

3 hours ago, NeckShotLime said:

Lmfao 😂😂 too funny

Well unlike you guys I don't think the show could have gone on without him. He was the major draw, people watched the show for him and in the later seasons,for the Shamy. It simply doesn't work without him 

In my opinion it would work without him. The episodes could then be more ensemble episodes. Then the other characters could be more explored instead of an afterthought by the writers. 

[NeckShotLime]

I don't know. And I say that as someone who is not a fan of Sheldon at all. Less of him, why not but I can't imagine the show without him.

It's interesting what Lorre said about "the big three" especially with the way L/P were written in the later seasons. They're almost secondary characters, Leonard even more so than Penny and yet Lorre seems to think the three of them are essential . It's odd. 

I can't imagine TBBT without Shelnard or Shenny...  that's how Sheldon centric the show is 

[Mario D.]

5 hours ago, NeckShotLime said:

I don't know. And I say that as someone who is not a fan of Sheldon at all. Less of him, why not but I can't imagine the show without him.

It's interesting what Lorre said about "the big three" especially with the way L/P were written in the later seasons. They're almost secondary characters, Leonard even more so than Penny and yet Lorre seems to think the three of them are essential . It's odd. 

I can't imagine TBBT without Shelnard or Shenny...  that's how Sheldon centric the show is 

It is true Sheldon was the catalyst in many episodes but I also enjoyed the episodes where he was not the central figure. I also think as you mention Penny and Leonard were reduced to secondary characters in the last three seasons after being the core couple from the beginning. I often wondered how Johnny and Kaley felt about this even though the were being paid handsomely.

[HeWolf]

13 hours ago, NeckShotLime said:

I don't know. And I say that as someone who is not a fan of Sheldon at all. Less of him, why not but I can't imagine the show without him.

It's interesting what Lorre said about "the big three" especially with the way L/P were written in the later seasons. They're almost secondary characters, Leonard even more so than Penny and yet Lorre seems to think the three of them are essential . It's odd. 

I can't imagine TBBT without Shelnard or Shenny...  that's how Sheldon centric the show is 

I would vote this up but we can't do that any more....

You're spot on in your analysis. Sheldon was often irritating to watch during the latter seasons but the character was the focal point for a lot of the actions/reactions/story lines. Without him, someone else would have had to become that focal point. Trying to take an objective viewpoint and I don't see any of the cast that could have filled that role. The only real possibility I can imagine would have been placing Leonard in even more of the straight man role playing off the comedy provided by the others. 

Lenny was often written in a secondary, supporting role and their manufactured conflicts were tiresome. That said, there wasn't a lot of common ground for the characters to share. They were a classic romantic 'odd couple' with few shared interests or experiences. It also didn't help that the writers and producers (Lorre) were never as invested in them as the end game couple as the fanbase. Lenny was cute and represented one of the few 'wins' for the geeky guys. Against all odds and defying all logic Leonard got the pretty girl across the hall. The type of girl that he only dreamed he could one day marry. In his own right Leonard also represented an archetype for Penny. A guy that appreciated her for more than her body. He pursued her for herself and not just to get her into bed. 

[Mario D.]

38 minutes ago, HeWolf said:

I would vote this up but we can't do that any more....

You're spot on in your analysis. Sheldon was often irritating to watch during the latter seasons but the character was the focal point for a lot of the actions/reactions/story lines. Without him, someone else would have had to become that focal point. Trying to take an objective viewpoint and I don't see any of the cast that could have filled that role. The only real possibility I can imagine would have been placing Leonard in even more of the straight man role playing off the comedy provided by the others. 

Lenny was often written in a secondary, supporting role and their manufactured conflicts were tiresome. That said, there wasn't a lot of common ground for the characters to share. They were a classic romantic 'odd couple' with few shared interests or experiences. It also didn't help that the writers and producers (Lorre) were never as invested in them as the end game couple as the fanbase. Lenny was cute and represented one of the few 'wins' for the geeky guys. Against all odds and defying all logic Leonard got the pretty girl across the hall. The type of girl that he only dreamed he could one day marry. In his own right Leonard also represented an archetype for Penny. A guy that appreciated her for more than her body. He pursued her for herself and not just to get her into bed. 

As a Lenny fan it was disappointing to see how their story got to be so stagnant. TPTB could have written a few more episodes for them instead of concentrating on the Shamy wedding and Nobel quest. In the final season throwing that plotline of Zack & Marissa wanting a child to just come up with any storyline  for Lenny was ridiculous. But I guess the episode where Penny tells Leonard she does not want kids sort of backed them into a corner. First of all to express that three years into the marriage was kind of selfish and then the writers failed to explore it further to reason why she did not want kids. Even though Penny gets pregnant in the end it felt forced upon the fans.

[chucky]

9 hours ago, Mario D. said:

It is true Sheldon was the catalyst in many episodes but I also enjoyed the episodes where he was not the central figure. I also think as you mention Penny and Leonard were reduced to secondary characters in the last three seasons after being the core couple from the beginning. I often wondered how Johnny and Kaley felt about this even though the were being paid handsomely.

I often wondered about their feelings on the show starting to be more Shamy. Also wondered about what Simon, Melissa and Kunal thought as well. We'll probably never know. 

1 minute ago, Mario D. said:

As a Lenny fan it was disappointing to see how their story got to be so stagnant. TPTB could have written a few more episodes for them instead of concentrating on the Shamy wedding and Nobel quest. In the final season throwing that plotline of Zack & Marissa wanting a child to just come up with any storyline  for Lenny was ridiculous. But I guess the episode where Penny tells Leonard she does not want kids sort of backed them into a corner. First of all to express that three years into the marriage was kind of selfish and then the writers failed to explore it further to reason why she did not want kids. Even though Penny gets pregnant in the end it felt forced upon the fans.

Totally agree. I believe Season 11 and 12 wasted too much time and energy on the Shamy engagement, wedding planning and Nobel nonsense. 

[chucky]

On 4/27/2023 at 12:49 PM, NeckShotLime said:

Lmfao 😂😂 too funny

Well unlike you guys I don't think the show could have gone on without him. He was the major draw, people watched the show for him and in the later seasons,for the Shamy. It simply doesn't work without him 

In my humble opinion,  he was the major draw because the writers wrote it that way. They could have written about Lenny's pregnancy. Raj and Anu possibly getting back together. There are so many avenues the writers could have tried. Sheldon and Amy were not the show. But Chuck Lorre and the other powers that may be, took the easy way and ended the show. 

[TLW]

7 hours ago, Mario D. said:

As a Lenny fan it was disappointing to see how their story got to be so stagnant. TPTB could have written a few more episodes for them instead of concentrating on the Shamy wedding and Nobel quest. In the final season throwing that plotline of Zack & Marissa wanting a child to just come up with any storyline  for Lenny was ridiculous. But I guess the episode where Penny tells Leonard she does not want kids sort of backed them into a corner. First of all to express that three years into the marriage was kind of selfish and then the writers failed to explore it further to reason why she did not want kids. Even though Penny gets pregnant in the end it felt forced upon the fans.

And there is a lot of negativity from some viewers that watched the show and liked that Penny wanted to remain child-free. They didn't like that the character ended up pregnant.

[chucky]

1 hour ago, TLW said:

And there is a lot of negativity from some viewers that watched the show and liked that Penny wanted to remain child-free. They didn't like that the character ended up pregnant.

There was some negativity concerning Penny's pregnancy. That's because the writers just threw that out without thinking it thru.

[Mario D.]

4 hours ago, chucky said:

There was some negativity concerning Penny's pregnancy. That's because the writers just threw that out without thinking it thru.

Exactly there was no explanation either way why she did not want kids nor why she changed her mind or just accepted her pregnancy.

[chucky]

1 hour ago, Mario D. said:

Exactly there was no explanation either way why she did not want kids nor why she changed her mind or just accepted her pregnancy.

Agreed. The writers didn't care because the show was ending.