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I think one reason I liked this episode so much was that it had very little of the Leonard/Penny/Priya angle. That's the part I find a bit boring, not because it's about romance but because it seems rather predictable.

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I think one reason I liked this episode so much was that it had very little of the Leonard/Penny/Priya angle. That's the part I find a bit boring, not because it's about romance but because it seems rather predictable.

It's this bitchy stuff that the season is building on that's getting tiresome. You just know priya and penny are going to be rolling around throttling each other before long. Yawn

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I think one reason I liked this episode so much was that it had very little of the Leonard/Penny/Priya angle. That's the part I find a bit boring, not because it's about romance but because it seems rather predictable.

It's this bitchy stuff that the season is building on that's getting tiresome. You just know priya and penny are going to be rolling around throttling each other before long. Yawn

"Oh my god girl fight!"

"I know you! Your stupid enough to break it up!"

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It's this bitchy stuff that the season is building on that's getting tiresome. You just know priya and penny are going to be rolling around throttling each other before long. Yawn

"Oh my god girl fight!"

"I know you! Your stupid enough to break it up!"

:icon_cheesygrin:

Good one. :)

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It's this bitchy stuff that the season is building on that's getting tiresome. You just know priya and penny are going to be rolling around throttling each other before long. Yawn

"Oh my god girl fight!"

"I know you! Your stupid enough to break it up!"

:icon_cheesygrin:

Good one. :)

Well come on, this episode was about gossip. Gossip for christ sake...

I don't care how they spun it to make it seem scientific. :icon_lol:

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I missed the show last night......we had a shooting near the mall which tied up traffic for hours.

What'd I miss? More romance stuff?

Keep the romance surreal like ....dreams......Amy/Sheldon kinda romance.....verbal....no touching...

These are intellectuals.....not daytime soap.......

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Well come on, this episode was about gossip. Gossip for christ sake...

I don't care how they spun it to make it seem scientific. :icon_lol:

'Gossip? Really, Amy? I'm disappointed in you'. :p

It was funny because it was Amy who spun it, and Sheldon who fell for it. How can one NOT choke on her deadpan -'In other news, I'm thinking of starting a herb garden. Mum's the word. Gotta go'. :D

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Keep the romance surreal like ....dreams......Amy/Sheldon kinda romance.....verbal....no touching...

Agreed. That's the best 'romance angle' by far. The one without any romance. :)

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I missed the show last night......we had a shooting near the mall which tied up traffic for hours.

What'd I miss? More romance stuff?

Keep the romance surreal like ....dreams......Amy/Sheldon kinda romance.....verbal....no touching...

These are intellectuals.....not daytime soap.......

Cause intellectuals definitely don't like romance or sex:icon_wink:

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I missed the show last night......we had a shooting near the mall which tied up traffic for hours.

What'd I miss? More romance stuff?

Keep the romance surreal like ....dreams......Amy/Sheldon kinda romance.....verbal....no touching...

These are intellectuals.....not daytime soap.......

Cause intellectuals definitely don't like romance or sex:icon_wink:

Of course they do... but there are plenty of shows with romance as the focal point. Now a show which captured the hearts of it's viewers with it's akward nerdy characters and down to earth neighbours is starting to become just like everything else. Aparently when writers run out of ideas, they default back to romance and cliche topics which have been covered before in other shows hundreds of times.

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This was a good episode, i especially liked when Sheldon and Amy were talking about making up the rumour and when Leonard came into the apartment and asked Sheldon how Amy was (hoping that Sheldon would tell him)

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This is one of my favorite episodes. I love the ensemble episodes in which there's only one plot and the whole cast is involved, like this one, Work Song Nanocluster, Love Car Displacement and Weekend Vortex.

"Shut.Your.Ass" is one of my favorite Raj lines ever. Kunal delivered it perfectly. Actually, he had a lot of great moments in this episode.

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This is one of my favorite episodes. I love the ensemble episodes in which there's only one plot and the whole cast is involved, like this one, Work Song Nanocluster, Love Car Displacement and Weekend Vortex.

"Shut.Your.Ass" is one of my favorite Raj lines ever. Kunal delivered it perfectly. Actually, he had a lot of great moments in this episode.

did they know what they were doing while they were doing it? LMAO!

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I love the ensemble episodes in which there's only one plot and the whole cast is involved, like this one, Work Song Nanocluster, Love Car Displacement and Weekend Vortex.

thanks for listing some ensemble episodes.

I might have a marathon of watching ensemble episodes! (<---good idea!)

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Agreed. Episodes like this where everybody interacts with practically everybody are amazing. This show has an AMAZING cast and they can all play each other very well.

Let's hope this season they explore this some more.

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Of course they do... but there are plenty of shows with romance as the focal point. Now a show which captured the hearts of it's viewers with it's akward nerdy characters and down to earth neighbours is starting to become just like everything else. Aparently when writers run out of ideas, they default back to romance and cliche topics which have been covered before in other shows hundreds of times.

This statement kind of cracks me up. In reading through this thread and a few older ones it strikes me as funny that there's this attitude that TBBT should only be about geeky science stuff and that the "core" audience is made up of science nerds who Bly want to see episodes about other science nerds being science nerds.

While this narrow view may be held by some viewers, I dare say that many people who were among the show's initial audience were just normal people who found the juxtaposition of science and romance--because that aspect was there from the beginning--amusing, and the writing funny, whether it was about guys discussing how superheroes go to the bathroom or how to pick up girls.

I loved this gossip episode because it not only showed the quirky nature of Sheldon and Amy's relationship and their attitude toward each other and their friends, but also because it also showcased the rest of the group's dynamics--and it was just hilarious.

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Of course they do... but there are plenty of shows with romance as the focal point. Now a show which captured the hearts of it's viewers with it's akward nerdy characters and down to earth neighbours is starting to become just like everything else. Aparently when writers run out of ideas, they default back to romance and cliche topics which have been covered before in other shows hundreds of times.

This statement kind of cracks me up. In reading through this thread and a few older ones it strikes me as funny that there's this attitude that TBBT should only be about geeky science stuff and that the "core" audience is made up of science nerds who Bly want to see episodes about other science nerds being science nerds.

While this narrow view may be held by some viewers, I dare say that many people who were among the show's initial audience were just normal people who found the juxtaposition of science and romance--because that aspect was there from the beginning--amusing, and the writing funny, whether it was about guys discussing how superheroes go to the bathroom or how to pick up girls.

I loved this gossip episode because it not only showed the quirky nature of Sheldon and Amy's relationship and their attitude toward each other and their friends, but also because it also showcased the rest of the group's dynamics--and it was just hilarious.

I'm not sure if there are any of the original posters from 2007 still here....? but the show has lost a lot of the nerdier fans. You can see by older comments and the fact these users no longer post. There's no denying that there has been change. Its broadened it's appeal. I love the show as much as I ever did, but some fans have moved on. Thats just the way it is sometimes. This episode is an example of why this show is worth sticking around for IMO.

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Of course they do... but there are plenty of shows with romance as the focal point. Now a show which captured the hearts of it's viewers with it's akward nerdy characters and down to earth neighbours is starting to become just like everything else. Aparently when writers run out of ideas, they default back to romance and cliche topics which have been covered before in other shows hundreds of times.

This statement kind of cracks me up. In reading through this thread and a few older ones it strikes me as funny that there's this attitude that TBBT should only be about geeky science stuff and that the "core" audience is made up of science nerds who Bly want to see episodes about other science nerds being science nerds.

While this narrow view may be held by some viewers, I dare say that many people who were among the show's initial audience were just normal people who found the juxtaposition of science and romance--because that aspect was there from the beginning--amusing, and the writing funny, whether it was about guys discussing how superheroes go to the bathroom or how to pick up girls.

I loved this gossip episode because it not only showed the quirky nature of Sheldon and Amy's relationship and their attitude toward each other and their friends, but also because it also showcased the rest of the group's dynamics--and it was just hilarious.

I'm not sure if there are any of the original posters from 2007 still here....? but the show has lost a lot of the nerdier fans. You can see by older comments and the fact these users no longer post. There's no denying that there has been change. Its broadened it's appeal. I love the show as much as I ever did, but some fans have moved on. Thats just the way it is sometimes. This episode is an example of why this show is worth sticking around for IMO.

I have seen some posts where people are lamenting the show's popularity--like it can't be good if more people are watching it than before, that only a "cult" audience is a true audience, that all these new viewers are somehow changing the show, or that the writers are changing the show to appeal to a wider audience.

I think it's just that people are finding out about the show--it moved at oine point from whenever it initially aired into its current Thursday timeslot, which was seen as a show of confidence on the part of CBS, as I recall.

I can't imagine that the "new" audience is somehow bending the writers to their whim and somehow demanding whatever it is that some folks are lamenting--all these comparisons to "Friends" or whatever.

I also think that sometimes people put their favorite show in a box and insist that anything outside of that box can't possibly be right--it's not the SAME!!!!

I remember people complaining about The X-Files when they had a few humorous episodes--"The X-Files isn't supposed to be funny!!! It's supposed to be scary!!! They're ruining the show with all these funny episodes!!!"

TXF also had fans who felt that the show's wider appeal starting around the 4th or 5th season was somehow a terrible thing--that only the original cult following deserved to be fans of the show and that everyone else was unworthy or something, or that broader appeal was going to dumb down the show and so forth.

I guess people will always complain about how their favorite shows change and develop over the years. I guess it's the nature of the beast, but I really don't see any kind of real shift in TBBT being one kind of show before and suddenly a different show in the last two seasons.

Yeah, the characters are growing and changing, but that's what human beings--even nerds!--do. ;)

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I am suspecting that I may have to write very little after this, on many aspects, because only one sentence will suffice: 'I agree with phantagrae'. :)

This may well be my favorite season 4 episode, on par with Agreement Dissection. It was also the episode which got me really into the Shamy for the first time. Seeing them planning and plotting happily on their socio-scientific experiments together was nothing less than precious. Also, as you say, it was a great ensemble episode, with interactions all round.

There's this attitude that TBBT should only be about geeky science stuff and that the "core" audience is made up of science nerds who Bly want to see episodes about other science nerds being science nerds.

Yeah, the characters are growing and changing, but that's what human beings--even nerds!--do.

Precisely. Which is why I argue that the show is still showing, exactly, science nerds being science nerds. Take any science nerd in real life and study a slice of their life from, say 25 to 30. You would see a transition from complete devotion to science/gaming etc, to a phase in which there is a partial distraction towards relationship issues, because these awkward, inexperienced people are getting into relationships perhaps for the first time. This phase comes for not all, but most of us, in which our 'geeky' needs and romantic needs have to be reconciled.

A show about a group of nerds depicting all of them to be single and gaming-obsessed and unsuccessful with women throughout their lives would, I believe, be unrealistic as well as incomplete. That's just half of the nerd experience.

Also, the complaint 'why these girlfriends (Amy and Bernadette) on a show about science nerds' puzzles me. They're not just girlfriends, they're very much science nerds themselves, and Amy is more socially awkward than half the guys. There seems to be a hesitation, among some people, in accepting the presence of girls as science nerds. Again, without them, for me the show would have been incomplete - and this is a thought that occurred to me several times while watching the first 3 seasons.

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I am suspecting that I may have to write very little after this, on many aspects, because only one sentence will suffice: 'I agree with phantagrae'. :)

This may well be my favorite season 4 episode, on par with Agreement Dissection. It was also the episode which got me really into the Shamy for the first time. Seeing them planning and plotting happily on their socio-scientific experiments together was nothing less than precious. Also, as you say, it was a great ensemble episode, with interactions all round.

There's this attitude that TBBT should only be about geeky science stuff and that the "core" audience is made up of science nerds who Bly want to see episodes about other science nerds being science nerds.

Yeah, the characters are growing and changing, but that's what human beings--even nerds!--do.

Precisely. Which is why I argue that the show is still showing, exactly, science nerds being science nerds. Take any science nerd in real life and study a slice of their life from, say 25 to 30. You would see a transition from complete devotion to science/gaming etc, to a phase in which there is a partial distraction towards relationship issues, because these awkward, inexperienced people are getting into relationships perhaps for the first time. This phase comes for not all, but most of us, in which our 'geeky' needs and romantic needs have to be reconciled.

A show about a group of nerds depicting all of them to be single and gaming-obsessed and unsuccessful with women throughout their lives would, I believe, be unrealistic as well as incomplete. That's just half of the nerd experience.

Also, the complaint 'why these girlfriends (Amy and Bernadette) on a show about science nerds' puzzles me. They're not just girlfriends, they're very much science nerds themselves, and Amy is more socially awkward than half the guys. There seems to be a hesitation, among some people, in accepting the presence of girls as science nerds. Again, without them, for me the show would have been incomplete - and this is a thought that occurred to me several times while watching the first 3 seasons.

I totally agree with this; I love the science nerd girls; they are individuals & not just relationship coat-hangers. I just don't get why people don't want them. For my part I'd love to see some humanities nerd girls, like Martha in 'The Psychic Vortex.' They play geeky games like Cribbage, knit weird stuff, half of them are all writing fanfic, we do exist too:icon_biggrin:

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So...does the gang still think that Sheldon and Amy really had sex?

They have to know that the pregnancy rumor that Amy started at the end isn't true, but would they still believe the original bit of gossip or would they have since figured it was a lie, too?

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I totally agree with this; I love the science nerd girls; they are individuals & not just relationship coat-hangers. I just don't get why people don't want them. For my part I'd love to see some humanities nerd girls, like Martha in 'The Psychic Vortex.' They play geeky games like Cribbage, knit weird stuff, half of them are all writing fanfic, we do exist too:icon_biggrin:

Absolutely. Oh, the humanities. :D

So...does the gang still think that Sheldon and Amy really had sex?

They have to know that the pregnancy rumor that Amy started at the end isn't true, but would they still believe the original bit of gossip or would they have since figured it was a lie, too?

I think it's implied that they all found out (off-screen) pretty soon after the episode that it was all a ruse. :) It's one of the open-ended things that the show leaves us with as assumptions.

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Definitely one of my favourite episodes. Sheldon & Amy's experiment was hilarious. :)

I think the evolution of the show-and the nerds into relationships is quite realistic. Would the show also have continued for as longas it has if it hadn't evolved?

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Posted too soon accidentally.

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