4.24 The Roommate Transmogrification (May 19)

[Imapotato]

CBS and other network sites are poorly done and rarely have the in depth conversation as here.

Anyway, 4ofn, have you've seen IT Crowd yet? Netflix should have all 4 series. I assume you are Americna like myself?

[BBTpro]

just out of intrest priya hasnt got a Ph.D either but they seam to skip over her.. but then again i wouldnt say shes a proper character

[4ofN]

Anyway, 4ofn, have you've seen IT Crowd yet? Netflix should have all 4 series. I assume you are Americna like myself?

Yes, I'm American. North American actually. Canadian specifically.

I downloaded the IT Crowd and I've watched a bit, although I do find it a bit campy. I'll give it a few more episodes to see how I like it.

[wayelrob]

just out of intrest priya hasnt got a Ph.D either but they seam to skip over her.. but then again i wouldnt say shes a proper character

Lawyers don't get PhD's they get JD Juris Doctor or something like that. Similar to medical doctors getting MD instead of PhD in Medicine.

[Slicknickshady]

Wow! What a thread.

All i'll say is i hope to god Penny and Raj didnt have sex. I will give my thoughts as a Leonard and Penny fan how it would taint Leonard and Penny if Raj & Penny did... It's not as bad as you think. Yes it would taint them but not enough for it to make me dislike the characters. So ill put below what i said on fan-forum.

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My main worry with will they or won't they couples (Leonard and Penny). Is that they (The Creators) will destroy the characters in the process of putting them together. So far, So good on them not tainting the characters.

I'm hoping this answer doesnt change after the S5 premiere but it's possible. But im still holding out hope it wasnt what it looked like. Leonard and Penny deserve a happily ever after. I'm just afraid it's going to get even more bumpier. To make it clear....Nothing will ever severely taint Leonard and Penny to me...it will just take some time for me to accept it if something is done to one of their characters i don't like. But Leonard/Penny. ♥

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So the reason it would taint it is only because Raj and Penny are supposed to be friends with Leonard. And the major character that is tainted a little is Raj because he is supposed to be one of Leonard's best friends and you shouldn't sleep with a friends EX.

It only taints Penny in that if she had sex with Raj that means she has slept with more that one guy in the gang. Now i will still love Penny. I will still love Penny and Leonard together. Just like i still love Jackie Burkhart in T7S even though they made that character get passed around through the gang. I love Jackie/Hyde but the creators screwed that up and had her end with a 3rd guy in the group Fez. UGH.

So when i say taint....don't go to the full extent of the definition. It doesnt taint it hardly at all. It does taint Penny a little if she did sleep with Raj. But it I don't think she did so this point is mute.

[cbolt]

Just a question Leonard returns to the apartment after his fight with Priya thinking he still lives there but decides to sleep on the couch, why wouldn't he had went to go to sleep in his room and then getting a surprise at seeing Raj and Penny naked in his bed?

[Guest I'm not dead Cheryl]

Just a question Leonard returns to the apartment after his fight with Priya thinking he still lives there but decides to sleep on the couch, why wouldn't he had went to go to sleep in his room and then getting a surprise at seeing Raj and Penny naked in his bed?

because he knew Raj was sleeping on his bed.

[netmouse]

Yeah, Leonard and Raj had already organised the bedroom swap in an earlier scene.

[ILOVEBERNADETTE]

To be Honest I think Howard was kinda mean this ep to Bernadette. She gave him a rolex he argued with her. ya see

[rachelshamyfan]

I wonder about this because Sheldon would surely of heard something going on, as in the past when Leonard and Penny have been in the room Sheldon has said his noise cancelling headphones did not work

[TLW]

I was watching this episode tonight on TBS. It occured to me when I watched the scene where Penny wakes up next to Raj. When she wakes up but before she opens her eyes, she looks sort of happy. Do you think until she opened her eyes and saw Raj's arm and Raj she thought she was in bed with Leonard?

And I think her second "Oh, God!!" was because of the location they ended up in.

[chucky]

1 hour ago, TLW said:

I was watching this episode tonight on TBS. It occured to me when I watched the scene where Penny wakes up next to Raj. When she wakes up but before she opens her eyes, she looks sort of happy. Do you think until she opened her eyes and saw Raj's arm and Raj she thought she was in bed with Leonard?

And I think her second "Oh, God!!" was because of the location they ended up in.

I think Penny did think she was in bed with Leonard. Apparently she didn't mind he was cheating. The 2nd "Oh God" was from her embarrassment of where she was and who she was with. 

[Mario D.]

10 hours ago, chucky said:

I think Penny did think she was in bed with Leonard. Apparently she didn't mind he was cheating. The 2nd "Oh God" was from her embarrassment of where she was and who she was with. 

Believe she thought she was in bed with Leonard because she knew she was in his room. Once she realized she was with Raj she immediately knew she monumentally screwed up. As I have mentioned previously I think Chuck Lorre insisted on this scene why I do not know. It took Steve Molaro all summer to some up with an alternative to show Penny and Raj did NOT sleep together. Believe if they would have left this scene as is it would have caused irreparable harm to the groups friendship and the show might have taken another direction and not be as successful as it was. I was glad Molaro made the change.

[chucky]

34 minutes ago, Mario D. said:

Believe she thought she was in bed with Leonard because she knew she was in his room. Once she realized she was with Raj she immediately knew she monumentally screwed up. As I have mentioned previously I think Chuck Lorre insisted on this scene why I do not know. It took Steve Molaro all summer to some up with an alternative to show Penny and Raj did NOT sleep together. Believe if they would have left this scene as is it would have caused irreparable harm to the groups friendship and the show might have taken another direction and not be as successful as it was. I was glad Molaro made the change.

Totally agree!

[HeWolf]

23 hours ago, Mario D. said:

Believe she thought she was in bed with Leonard because she knew she was in his room. Once she realized she was with Raj she immediately knew she monumentally screwed up. As I have mentioned previously I think Chuck Lorre insisted on this scene why I do not know. It took Steve Molaro all summer to some up with an alternative to show Penny and Raj did NOT sleep together. Believe if they would have left this scene as is it would have caused irreparable harm to the groups friendship and the show might have taken another direction and not be as successful as it was. I was glad Molaro made the change.

I agree with most of your post. Jessica Radloff's TBBT history makes it clear that Penny-Raj 'hookup' was pushed by Chuck Lorre, and others (including Molaro) argued against it. Molaro says he spent the entire hiatus between seasons 4 and 5 trying to find a way to undo the 'hookup'. The actual non-hookup explained by Raj mostly placated the writers conscience and the fans but only Raj and Penny know what truly happened. Thus there really can't be any mitigation to the potential hard feelings of other members of the group; particularly Leonard.

We can probably assume that as time passed Penny may have told Leonard the details of what actually transpired between herself and Raj. How much consolation that might bring is debatable. The fact is they were in bed together, naked, and she was assisting him in a very intimate moment which was intended to facilitate them having sex. "Quickdraw" Koothrapali sabotaged any further action that night.

Bottom line: It was Lorre's idea and not a good one. That he backed away from it and let Molaro try to fix things was a monumetally good decision.

Edited March 28 by HeWolf

[Mario D.]

3 minutes ago, HeWolf said:

I agree with most of your post. Jessica Radloff's TBBT history makes it clear that Penny-Raj 'hookup' was pushed by Chuck Lorre, and others (including Molaro) argued against it. Molaro says he spent the entire hiatus between seasons 4 and 5 trying to find a way to undo the 'hookup'. The actual non-hookup explained by Raj mostly placated the writers conscience and the fans but only Raj and Penny know what truly happened. Thus there really can't be any mitigation to the potential hard feelings of other members of the group; particularly Leonard.

We can probably assume that as time passed Penny may have told Leonard the details of what actually transpired between herself and Raj. How much consolation that might bring is debatable. By all accounts they were in bed together, naked, and she was assisting him in a very intimate moment. 

Bottom line: It was Lorre's idea and not a good one. That he backed away from it and let Molaro try to fix things was a monumetally good decision.

Yes, I really thought that they should have Penny explained to Leonard what really happened,especially after they were engaged and then married. I thought that in S8 E4 when Emily confronts Penny about their hook-up the truth would come out.But the writers bailed on this by just blowing over the transgression and not having Penny and Leonard have a serious talk. It only shows Raj's naivete in these matters as he never should have told Emily about Penny but he could not help himself to brag about how he bedded Penny. I think it also showed that Raj knew exactly what transpired and sort of took advantage of Penny's intoxicated state.

Another  future situation that took place was when Raj moved in with Penny and Leonard.I always thought this was an awkward situation because of Raj-Penny history and was surprised that Leonard agreed to this. If I were Leonard I would have told Raj where to go and that they might still be friends but on very soft ground.

[chucky]

8 hours ago, Mario D. said:

Yes, I really thought that they should have Penny explained to Leonard what really happened,especially after they were engaged and then married. I thought that in S8 E4 when Emily confronts Penny about their hook-up the truth would come out.But the writers bailed on this by just blowing over the transgression and not having Penny and Leonard have a serious talk. It only shows Raj's naivete in these matters as he never should have told Emily about Penny but he could not help himself to brag about how he bedded Penny. I think it also showed that Raj knew exactly what transpired and sort of took advantage of Penny's intoxicated state.

Another  future situation that took place was when Raj moved in with Penny and Leonard.I always thought this was an awkward situation because of Raj-Penny history and was surprised that Leonard agreed to this. If I were Leonard I would have told Raj where to go and that they might still be friends but on very soft ground.

I agree with you on the Leonard, Penny and Raj sharing 4A. I don't understand why Leonard or even Penny agreed to this idea. There was a chance for awkwardness. Then there was that episode where Penny was more into Raj than her husband. That whole storyline was utterly ridiculous to me. Ot was IMHO a total waste of screen time.

[Mario D.]

3 hours ago, chucky said:

I agree with you on the Leonard, Penny and Raj sharing 4A. I don't understand why Leonard or even Penny agreed to this idea. There was a chance for awkwardness. Then there was that episode where Penny was more into Raj than her husband. That whole storyline was utterly ridiculous to me. Ot was IMHO a total waste of screen time.

Absolutely right!

[chucky]

17 hours ago, Mario D. said:

Absolutely right!

Thanks. I'm glad I got that off my chest. 😊

[Tensor]

On 3/26/2023 at 9:04 PM, TLW said:

I was watching this episode tonight on TBS. It occured to me when I watched the scene where Penny wakes up next to Raj. When she wakes up but before she opens her eyes, she looks sort of happy. Do you think until she opened her eyes and saw Raj's arm and Raj she thought she was in bed with Leonard?

And I think her second "Oh, God!!" was because of the location they ended up in.

Penny opens her eyes and SMILES.  I've always thought it was because she knew she was in Leonard's room and assumed she was in bed with Leonard until she saw the arm (recognizing it wasn't Leonard's).  We all saw her reaction to Leonard starting to date Priya and her admission to Raj about her screwing up.  Thinking she was in bed with Leonard knowing she was in Leonard's room is only natural.  As a matter of fact, it's played a part in several of my fan fics.  

However....... 

 

On 3/28/2023 at 9:34 AM, HeWolf said:

 The actual non-hookup explained by Raj mostly placated the writers conscience and the fans but only Raj and Penny know what truly happened.  The fact is they were in bed together, naked, and she was assisting him in a very intimate moment which was intended to facilitate them having sex.

NOTE:  I moved a couple of sentences of HeWolf's around as they fit better with my answers, the ones moved are in bold.

 

It depends on what you mean by non-hookup.  From Raj's description, it sounds as if she took a hold of Raj's nether regions, to try and place the condom on.  This ended up causing the quickdraw portion of the program.  As Emily pointed out they kissed, and they were both naked.   Add in an orgasm, no matter how it was caused and that would be a hookup.  

 

On 3/28/2023 at 9:34 AM, HeWolf said:

We can probably assume that as time passed Penny may have told Leonard the details of what actually transpired between herself and Raj. How much consolation that might bring is debatable.  Thus there really can't be any mitigation to the potential hard feelings of other members of the group; particularly Leonard.

I seem to be a bit of an oddball in the Lenny world as the incident with Penny and Raj never bothered me when it came to Leonard and Penny, but Leonard and Raj was a different thing.  In my fan-fics, Leonard is outwardly dismissive of having a problem with Penny about it (It does bother him occasionally emotionally).  However,  right after, in the show and in my fan-fics, Leonard (and myself) blame Raj.

Look at the differences in the reactions to each of them.  Leonard doesn't blame Penny because he was dating Raj's sister, Leonard gave Raj permission to bring women into his bedroom, and he and Penny were not dating each other.   He even brings these points up when she is thinking of leaving LA.  

Leonard is upset with Raj, in the cafeteria with the line, "What is wrong with you."  But the thing with Penny seems to have lessened rather quickly as later, during the paintball game, he is more upset with him because he didn't tell Leonard Priya was leaving, rather than what happened between him and Penny.  Also, Raj, knowing that Penny was upset because she considered breaking up with Leonard a mistake, should have kept him from trying anything.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[chucky]

8 hours ago, Tensor said:

Penny opens her eyes and SMILES.  I've always thought it was because she knew she was in Leonard's room and assumed she was in bed with Leonard until she saw the arm (recognizing it wasn't Leonard's).  We all saw her reaction to Leonard starting to date Priya and her admission to Raj about her screwing up.  Thinking she was in bed with Leonard knowing she was in Leonard's room is only natural.  As a matter of fact, it's played a part in several of my fan fics.  

However....... 

 

NOTE:  I moved a couple of sentences of HeWolf's around as they fit better with my answers, the ones moved are in bold.

 

It depends on what you mean by non-hookup.  From Raj's description, it sounds as if she took a hold of Raj's nether regions, to try and place the condom on.  This ended up causing the quickdraw portion of the program.  As Emily pointed out they kissed, and they were both naked.   Add in an orgasm, no matter how it was caused and that would be a hookup.  

 

I seem to be a bit of an oddball in the Lenny world as the incident with Penny and Raj never bothered me when it came to Leonard and Penny, but Leonard and Raj was a different thing.  In my fan-fics, Leonard is outwardly dismissive of having a problem with Penny about it (It does bother him occasionally emotionally).  However,  right after, in the show and in my fan-fics, Leonard (and myself) blame Raj.

Look at the differences in the reactions to each of them.  Leonard doesn't blame Penny because he was dating Raj's sister, Leonard gave Raj permission to bring women into his bedroom, and he and Penny were not dating each other.   He even brings these points up when she is thinking of leaving LA.  

Leonard is upset with Raj, in the cafeteria with the line, "What is wrong with you."  But the thing with Penny seems to have lessened rather quickly as later, during the paintball game, he is more upset with him because he didn't tell Leonard Priya was leaving, rather than what happened between him and Penny.  Also, Raj, knowing that Penny was upset because she considered breaking up with Leonard a mistake, should have kept him from trying anything.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Have to agree with your posts. Raj knew how they still felt for each other and probably knew Pryia was leaving. So Raj shouldn't have tried anything until he talked to Leonard. Even being drunk is no excuse except for with the writers. To me, their "hook up " wasn't the least bit funny. 

Another thing that bothered me was their agreement not to talk about it was broken by Raj because he kept bragging about it.  Even embellishing the event that caused jealousy in Emily towards Penny. 

[Mario D.]

10 hours ago, Tensor said:

Penny opens her eyes and SMILES.  I've always thought it was because she knew she was in Leonard's room and assumed she was in bed with Leonard until she saw the arm (recognizing it wasn't Leonard's).  We all saw her reaction to Leonard starting to date Priya and her admission to Raj about her screwing up.  Thinking she was in bed with Leonard knowing she was in Leonard's room is only natural.  As a matter of fact, it's played a part in several of my fan fics.  

However....... 

 

NOTE:  I moved a couple of sentences of HeWolf's around as they fit better with my answers, the ones moved are in bold.

 

It depends on what you mean by non-hookup.  From Raj's description, it sounds as if she took a hold of Raj's nether regions, to try and place the condom on.  This ended up causing the quickdraw portion of the program.  As Emily pointed out they kissed, and they were both naked.   Add in an orgasm, no matter how it was caused and that would be a hookup.  

 

I seem to be a bit of an oddball in the Lenny world as the incident with Penny and Raj never bothered me when it came to Leonard and Penny, but Leonard and Raj was a different thing.  In my fan-fics, Leonard is outwardly dismissive of having a problem with Penny about it (It does bother him occasionally emotionally).  However,  right after, in the show and in my fan-fics, Leonard (and myself) blame Raj.

Look at the differences in the reactions to each of them.  Leonard doesn't blame Penny because he was dating Raj's sister, Leonard gave Raj permission to bring women into his bedroom, and he and Penny were not dating each other.   He even brings these points up when she is thinking of leaving LA.  

Leonard is upset with Raj, in the cafeteria with the line, "What is wrong with you."  But the thing with Penny seems to have lessened rather quickly as later, during the paintball game, he is more upset with him because he didn't tell Leonard Priya was leaving, rather than what happened between him and Penny.  Also, Raj, knowing that Penny was upset because she considered breaking up with Leonard a mistake, should have kept him from trying anything.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I can see your point but what bothers me is that Raj seemed to recall the night alot clearer than Penny. We don't know how they ended up in bed as that part was not shown in the episode but I truly believe that Raj definitely took advantage of Penny's intoxicated state. Do you really think that Penny would have wound up in bed with Raj if she was not drunk?  Raj disregarded all friendship codes by going after Penny. He was feeling sorry for himself and goes after his friends girls because he cannot get one of his own (he previously fantasizes about Bernadette) Not only does he commit this violation of friendship but he brags about it to anyone. This certainly shows his immaturity in these matters. I don't get why Leonard did not say anything to him about this and why didn't the writers have Penny tell Leonard about how this happened at least after they were engaged and/or married. They only brushed over it in S8 E4 with Emily

[chucky]

1 hour ago, Mario D. said:

I can see your point but what bothers me is that Raj seemed to recall the night alot clearer than Penny. We don't know how they ended up in bed as that part was not shown in the episode but I truly believe that Raj definitely took advantage of Penny's intoxicated state. Do you really think that Penny would have wound up in bed with Raj if she was not drunk?  Raj disregarded all friendship codes by going after Penny. He was feeling sorry for himself and goes after his friends girls because he cannot get one of his own (he previously fantasizes about Bernadette) Not only does he commit this violation of friendship but he brags about it to anyone. This certainly shows his immaturity in these matters. I don't get why Leonard did not say anything to him about this and why didn't the writers have Penny tell Leonard about how this happened at least after they were engaged and/or married. They only brushed over it in S8 E4 with Emily

Really simple. The writers were looking for humor.