PENNY AND SHELDON MAYBE?

[mjc45]

Okay I used to be a Shamy-ite but after reading a ton of fanfiction with the Shamy & Shenny, I've come around to the Shenny pov. ( & I think Amy is ideal for Leonard)

I do think Penny (who in my opinion is smart) has enough commonsense to deal with Sheldon, rather like his mother & at the same time I do sense the undeniable chemistry between the two. I see Sheldon needing Penny, a vortex to overcome all the defenses he has built since childhood to save himself from hurt, but which are imprisoning him. He needs rescuing & with Penny, Sheldon really is her knight. They're playful and fun & even argue in a fun non-mean way.

Oh Annie, I wonder which kind of fics you have been reading!

Could those be the ones in wich Amy is this little pathetic soul who "only wants to be looooooooved! :icon_cry:" ?(I SO hate those! )

Amy is nothing like that. I'm amazed at how difficult is for the audience (even fans and Shamy-shippers) to truly get Amy. In many, many fics I've read, she is portrayed as too "normal", wanting a "normal" relationship with Sheldon, and, in my opinion, she is not!

She was originally created as a "female Sheldon" for a reason: She is a highly-intelligent, eccentric, quirky, bi-curious, socially-awkward, maybe Aspie woman-child. Extremely vulnerable but also a cold scientist by heart. In the group, the only one who truly understands and identifies with her is Sheldon (and viceversa), the others have grown to have affection for her and to tolerate her and put up with her quirks (as they do with Sheldon) but I don't think she would be capable to have a "normal" relationship with anybody else but him.

I respect your opinion and newly acquired preferences but I find Amy/Leonard an horrible pairing. I even think it would be a more plausible a Leonard/Bernardette.

Amy doesn't like Leonard physically or romantically (she doesn't seems to like him very much in other aspects either) and the feeling is mutual. I know some people say Amy wants sex and romance and Leonard would be willing to give it to her (I have my doubts, I think he would be very turned off by the many similarities she has with his mother and with Sheldon), I disagree, sex is not everything in life, and Amy, despite her eagerness to experience it, seems to value much more other things, like the compatibility she has with Sheldon and their intellectual connection.

So, L and A should pursue a relationship, even if they don't connect and don't really like each other, just because she wants some lovin' and the bespecled guy would bang anyone with boobs and an skirt and wants someone willing to get steady with him? Ugh, sorry, but no.

Now, in the other hand, we have discussed over and over how wrong and far-fetched is a hook up between the blonde and the arrogant, crazy guy, I have just two things to add to the controversy right now:

1. Sheldon is no "Mr. Darcy", he's not a brooding romantic figure, a white knight in disguise (that's also fanfiction-only characterization), he's an stubborn, egotist, exasperating man-child.

2. If he has been so reluctant to start and advance a relationship with Amy, a woman he likes, respects and cares for, why on earth would he be willing to have one with a woman he's not attracted to, thinks is so beneath him, with whom is clashing all the time, doesn't have any kind of compatibility, etc., etc.? He will need to be brainwashed, lose his memory, being hit by a train.....

Oh!, and, still, if you want to read romantic, non-angsty fics with good Shamy characterization, I'll gladly give you a short list

nice.

amy/leonard-no way!!!

[rickfromillinois]

Okay I used to be a Shamy-ite but after reading a ton of fanfiction with the Shamy & Shenny, I've come around to the Shenny pov. ( & I think Amy is ideal for Leonard)

I do think Penny (who in my opinion is smart) has enough commonsense to deal with Sheldon, rather like his mother & at the same time I do sense the undeniable chemistry between the two. I see Sheldon needing Penny, a vortex to overcome all the defenses he has built since childhood to save himself from hurt, but which are imprisoning him. He needs rescuing & with Penny, Sheldon really is her knight. They're playful and fun & even argue in a fun non-mean way.

Oh Annie, I wonder which kind of fics you have been reading!

Could those be the ones in wich Amy is this little pathetic soul who "only wants to be looooooooved! :icon_cry:" ?(I SO hate those! )

Amy is nothing like that. I'm amazed at how difficult is for the audience (even fans and Shamy-shippers) to truly get Amy. In many, many fics I've read, she is portrayed as too "normal", wanting a "normal" relationship with Sheldon, and, in my opinion, she is not!

She was originally created as a "female Sheldon" for a reason: She is a highly-intelligent, eccentric, quirky, bi-curious, socially-awkward, maybe Aspie woman-child. Extremely vulnerable but also a cold scientist by heart. In the group, the only one who truly understands and identifies with her is Sheldon (and viceversa), the others have grown to have affection for her and to tolerate her and put up with her quirks (as they do with Sheldon) but I don't think she would be capable to have a "normal" relationship with anybody else but him.

I respect your opinion and newly acquired preferences but I find Amy/Leonard an horrible pairing. I even think it would be a more plausible a Leonard/Bernardette.

Amy doesn't like Leonard physically or romantically (she doesn't seems to like him very much in other aspects either) and the feeling is mutual. I know some people say Amy wants sex and romance and Leonard would be willing to give it to her (I have my doubts, I think he would be very turned off by the many similarities she has with his mother and with Sheldon), I disagree, sex is not everything in life, and Amy, despite her eagerness to experience it, seems to value much more other things, like the compatibility she has with Sheldon and their intellectual connection.

So, L and A should pursue a relationship, even if they don't connect and don't really like each other, just because she wants some lovin' and the bespecled guy would bang anyone with boobs and an skirt and wants someone willing to get steady with him? Ugh, sorry, but no.

Now, in the other hand, we have discussed over and over how wrong and far-fetched is a hook up between the blonde and the arrogant, crazy guy, I have just two things to add to the controversy right now:

1. Sheldon is no "Mr. Darcy", he's not a brooding romantic figure, a white knight in disguise (that's also fanfiction-only characterization), he's an stubborn, egotist, exasperating man-child.

2. If he has been so reluctant to start and advance a relationship with Amy, a woman he likes, respects and cares for, why on earth would he be willing to have one with a woman he's not attracted to, thinks is so beneath him, with whom is clashing all the time, doesn't have any kind of compatibility, etc., etc.? He will need to be brainwashed, lose his memory, being hit by a train.....

Oh!, and, still, if you want to read romantic, non-angsty fics with good Shamy characterization, I'll gladly give you a short list

nice.

amy/leonard-no way!!!

Sheldon has no respect for Penny's intellect. Amy has no respect for Leonard's intellect. Sheldon is not sexually attracted Penny. Penny is certainly not sexually attracted Sheldon. Amy is not sexually attracted to Leonard, Leonard is not sexually attracted to Amy.

So just how is this supposed to happen? Why not say that Sheldon's mother would be perfect for Leonard and that Leonard's mother would be perfect for Raj. There is a very good reason that people who write fan fiction don't get paid for their stories.

[annieogly]

Oh Annie, I wonder which kind of fics you have been reading!

Could those be the ones in wich Amy is this little pathetic soul who "only wants to be looooooooved! :icon_cry:" ?(I SO hate those! )

Amy is nothing like that. I'm amazed at how difficult is for the audience (even fans and Shamy-shippers) to truly get Amy. In many, many fics I've read, she is portrayed as too "normal", wanting a "normal" relationship with Sheldon, and, in my opinion, she is not!

She was originally created as a "female Sheldon" for a reason: She is a highly-intelligent, eccentric, quirky, bi-curious, socially-awkward, maybe Aspie woman-child. Extremely vulnerable but also a cold scientist by heart. In the group, the only one who truly understands and identifies with her is Sheldon (and viceversa), the others have grown to have affection for her and to tolerate her and put up with her quirks (as they do with Sheldon) but I don't think she would be capable to have a "normal" relationship with anybody else but him.

I respect your opinion and newly acquired preferences but I find Amy/Leonard an horrible pairing. I even think it would be a more plausible a Leonard/Bernardette.

Amy doesn't like Leonard physically or romantically (she doesn't seems to like him very much in other aspects either) and the feeling is mutual. I know some people say Amy wants sex and romance and Leonard would be willing to give it to her (I have my doubts, I think he would be very turned off by the many similarities she has with his mother and with Sheldon), I disagree, sex is not everything in life, and Amy, despite her eagerness to experience it, seems to value much more other things, like the compatibility she has with Sheldon and their intellectual connection.

So, L and A should pursue a relationship, even if they don't connect and don't really like each other, just because she wants some lovin' and the bespecled guy would bang anyone with boobs and an skirt and wants someone willing to get steady with him? Ugh, sorry, but no.

Now, in the other hand, we have discussed over and over how wrong and far-fetched is a hook up between the blonde and the arrogant, crazy guy, I have just two things to add to the controversy right now:

1. Sheldon is no "Mr. Darcy", he's not a brooding romantic figure, a white knight in disguise (that's also fanfiction-only characterization), he's an stubborn, egotist, exasperating man-child.

2. If he has been so reluctant to start and advance a relationship with Amy, a woman he likes, respects and cares for, why on earth would he be willing to have one with a woman he's not attracted to, thinks is so beneath him, with whom is clashing all the time, doesn't have any kind of compatibility, etc., etc.? He will need to be brainwashed, lose his memory, being hit by a train.....

Oh!, and, still, if you want to read romantic, non-angsty fics with good Shamy characterization, I'll gladly give you a short list

[johnny-cake]

Not ever.

[Guest I'm not dead Cheryl]

Okay when Amy challenged Sheldon over real vs theoretical work they broke up. That's the underlying issue. In real life geniuses like Sheldon don't want to be challenged by their spouses they want comfort and love. Just look at Einstein's first wife the brilliant Mileva Maric whom he divorced and his 2nd his nuturing first cousin. Richard Feynmann didn't marry any brilliant competitors either rather woman he could relax with.

I don't think it's appropiate to generalize and affirm that "all geniuses want someone "to relax with"". And I don't think it's appropiate either to affirm that Einstein got divorced from his first wife because she was brilliant, and that Feinmann married the 3 times he did just because they were not his "competitors", that is an oversimplification of their relationships, and also ignoring examples like Pierre & Marie Curie, Jean Paul Sartre & Simone de Beavuoir, Frederic Chopin & George Sand, Mary Shelley & Lord Byron, etc. Many brilliant men have been happy with equally brilliant women, amongst other things, for their intellectual compatibility & stimulation.

I don't consider myself a genius but I do posess a higher than average IQ, I met my fiancee at Mensa International, and we are very happy. And honestly, I could never be with someone who I don't consider at least as intelligent as me. It's just dull and boring, since for me (and many other people) the brain is the main sex organ.

When Sheldon got a splinter Amy was not happy to take it out; she doesn't 'do' nuturing' date=' she is indeed a cold-hearted scientist & two together do not the happy picture make. Leonard is a nuturer, which is why he lives with Sheldon & he'd be better for Amy..[/quote']

she was not happy because she was being forced by their agreement, and because Sheldon interrupted her Twister game. She is not a cold hearted scientist at all (evidence: Isolation Permutation/ The Weekend Vortex). Sheldon might not be a "nurturer" but he was there for her, to cuddle and confort her and did make her feel better when she was upset, because he wanted to (Amy said she wanted to be alone and Sheldon stayed anyway). Sheldon can be a nurturer by his own will and so far, he has only been that for Amy.

1. As for Mr. Darcy' date=' you've seen too many sappy movies, take out your Jane Austen & really read the book; he's a self-absorbed conceited prig, who thinks he's better than anyone because he's rich & has social position. He's condescending and just plain rude to Lizzie until she rejects his obnoxious proposal which gives him the shock of his life. Sheldon is a conceited egoist who's been catered too & needs a kick in the pants; which he gets from Penny. He's no man-child, he's a man who hasn't developed social skills as he missed high school and was 11 yrs old in college.I'd say he's about 13 yrs old in social years. He and Penny also enjoy his amusements playing Halo, paintball, she'll go to the comic book store, even dress up. Amy does none of that.[/quote']

I agree on Sheldon being a man who has social skill issues. And one of the reasons why I like him with Amy is because she is the only one who treats him like a grown up man, not a child.

Regarding Penny enjoying Halo, she only played with them once, and did enjoy it, mainly by making fun of Sheldon and then refused to play again, she only played Paintball with them because Leonard got her shoes in exchange, and she has never been to the comic book store just because she wanted or to buy comic books for herself.

Penny only dressed up with the guys once, forced by Zack, whereas Amy dressed up for Sheldon twice: Pretzel & Star Trek Nurse. And she did enjoy that very much.

And yeah, she doesn't play Halo, or read comic books, but they did invent Counterfactuals together, and have boyfriend-girlfriend singalong nights, they go to the zoo, etc. They share interests and hobbies, and what's more important, hobbies that they share only with the other, not with the whole group. It's in a way a more "intimate" way of sharing time and having fun.

2. Sheldon is being manipulated by Amy into something & that's not a relationship. Sheldon fights' date=' argues and insults Penny & she pushes his buttons too. It really is foreplay. Again check out Mr. Darcy & Lizzie arguing their way through P&P. He tells her her family are awful and beneath him. She tells him she's [i']never have him. It's an old old story.

Sheldon is not being "manipulated" since that would imply he is not aware of what Amy is trying to achieve. He is completely aware since she told him upfront, and he also did give her permission to do so. That's not manipulation. It's a challenge (that he is "losing"), and that is a part of any relationship.

Regarding Sheldon & Penny's "arguing" being "foreplay" that's a total subjective interpretation (and very much extrapolated from Shenny fanfiction). Foreplay involves two people teasing each other without really meaning it, and with second intentions. WE KNOW Sheldon is totally honest with Penny about what he thinks of her and viceversa. There is no foreplay there, just plain bickering.

And neither Sheldon is Mr Darcy, nor Penny is Lizzie. At all.

Anyhow, after all this, it is all a matter of subjective interpretation, neither Penny or Amy are in reality better for Sheldon or Leonard is better for Amy or whateaver. They are as "right" for each other as we want them to be. We could be arguing forever, and it would lead nowhere since all preferences have valid points and null points. Because, again, it all comes down to what we want for them, not what is "right for them".

[rickfromillinois]

Penny may not be a genius but in the last season it became apparent that she is an ADULT, something that Sheldon is NOT. As I have said on numerous occasions, Sheldon treats Penny like a surrogate Mother, and Penny treats him like either a much younger brother or a child. Any romantic tryst between to two of them would border on the perverse. Sheldon has nothing but contempt for Penny's intellect and Penny has difficulty understanding how any female could find Sheldon sexually appealing.

Although it certainly is not scientific, the survey at the beginning of this thread shows that people are against Sheldon and Penny ever getting together by a ratio of approximately 4 to 1. TPTB of the show have stated that Penny and Sheldon will NEVER get together. Some of the actors have reacted to the possibility of them doing so with disgust. I feel fairly safe in saying that it will NEVER happen.

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One additional thought, watch the episode where Penny returns with Sheldon from Disneyland. Watch how they interact with each other.

[Europa]

One additional thought, watch the episode where Penny returns with Sheldon from Disneyland. Watch how they interact with each other.

Another example of Sheldon-as-child is the episode when Amy is hurt that the girls went bridesmaid dress shopping without her and Sheldon had to comfort her.

"Where's Sheldon?"

"He was up all night, so I gave him dinner and put him to bed early."

He's a child, and Leonard and Penny are his caretakers.

[BangerMain]

Penny may not be a genius but in the last season it became apparent that she is an ADULT, something that Sheldon is NOT. As I have said on numerous occasions, Sheldon treats Penny like a surrogate Mother, and Penny treats him like either a much younger brother or a child. Any romantic tryst between to two of them would border on the perverse. Sheldon has nothing but contempt for Penny's intellect and Penny has difficulty understanding how any female could find Sheldon sexually appealing.

Although it certainly is not scientific, the survey at the beginning of this thread shows that people are against Sheldon and Penny ever getting together by a ratio of approximately 4 to 1. TPTB of the show have stated that Penny and Sheldon will NEVER get together. Some of the actors have reacted to the possibility of them doing so with disgust. I feel fairly safe in saying that it will NEVER happen.

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You are very safe in saying "NEVER". For the producers there is nothing but risk and no pay off. The ratio of those who would be appalled by S/P to those who would be thrilled by it is higher than 4 to 1 in the viewing public. Why piss off > 95% of the audience with such an ending when you want to keep those folks happy that they got a return on their investment in Lenny and Shamy for syndication viewing after the show is off the air.

The Shenny shippers would have to some how brain wash Kaley to keep her from blasting the writers for even making an attempt. She is deep into Leonard/Penny and does not want to even talk about any other possibility.

[Guest I'm not dead Cheryl]

Penny may not be a genius but in the last season it became apparent that she is an ADULT, something that Sheldon is NOT. As I have said on numerous occasions, Sheldon treats Penny like a surrogate Mother, and Penny treats him like either a much younger brother or a child. Any romantic tryst between to two of them would border on the perverse. Sheldon has nothing but contempt for Penny's intellect and Penny has difficulty understanding how any female could find Sheldon sexually appealing.

Although it certainly is not scientific, the survey at the beginning of this thread shows that people are against Sheldon and Penny ever getting together by a ratio of approximately 4 to 1. TPTB of the show have stated that Penny and Sheldon will NEVER get together. Some of the actors have reacted to the possibility of them doing so with disgust. I feel fairly safe in saying that it will NEVER happen.

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You are very safe in saying "NEVER". For the producers there is nothing but risk and no pay off. The ratio of those who would be appalled by S/P to those who would be thrilled by it is higher than 4 to 1 in the viewing public. Why piss off > 95% of the audience with such an ending when you want to keep those folks happy that they got a return on their investment in Lenny and Shamy for syndication viewing after the show is off the air.

The Shenny shippers would have to some how brain wash Kaley to keep her from blasting the writers for even making an attempt. She is deep into Leonard/Penny and does not want to even talk about any other possibility.

Not only Kaley, but also Johnny & specially Jim who is very much invested in the Shamy (just look at any of his interviews, 2011 or this year Comic Con panels).

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[annieogly]

Hmm, TBBT could go on for 4 more season & what on earth would they do? Amy trying to bring Sheldon along while he resists; Leonard and Penny fighting and breaking up for 4 more seasons? Booring. And since the writers don't do arcs, characters change. Yes Sheldon was a man-child in 2 episodes. But remember the Amy Zack-attraction episode, at the end she held Sheldon's hand and said she felt nothing sexually. In a later episode she says her uterus quivers...

I'd love to see Penny get a Syfy role and have to nerd it up and embrace nerd culture with Sheldon as her teacher & I'd like to see him as a scientist exploring sexuality and emotional growth. That's where they click. Amy and Leonard both want to embrace 'normal culture' so I could see them bonding over fitting in (but only doing so in their funny nerdy way) & that's growth too. That would be interesting and not the 'same old, same old.' If the writers are inspired they can do it & the fans would love it.

[Guest I'm not dead Cheryl]

Hmm, TBBT could go on for 4 more season & what on earth would they do? Amy trying to bring Sheldon along while he resists; Leonard and Penny fighting and breaking up for 4 more seasons? Booring. And since the writers don't do arcs, characters change. Yes Sheldon was a man-child in 2 episodes. But remember the Amy Zack-attraction episode, at the end she held Sheldon's hand and said she felt nothing sexually. In a later episode she says her uterus quivers...

I'd love to see Penny get a Syfy role and have to nerd it up and embrace nerd culture with Sheldon as her teacher & I'd like to see him as a scientist exploring sexuality and emotional growth. That's where they click. Amy and Leonard both want to embrace 'normal culture' so I could see them bonding over fitting in (but only doing so in their funny nerdy way) & that's growth too. That would be interesting and not the 'same old, same old.' If the writers are inspired they can do it & the fans would love it.

Sheldon is a Theoretical Physicist... why on earth would he explore sexuality & emotional growth scientifically?, that would actually be Amy's field of work, not Sheldon's. And why would Penny be involved? It has been established before that Sheldon is a terrible teacher, and the only time he tried to teach something to Penny, she ended up crying and he ended up frustrated.

Amy wants to fit in with girls, not in society as a whole, and Leonard is not a girl.

Leonard does not want to fit in other than in Penny's universe.

I mean, I get that you are really keen on Sheldon/Penny & Leonard/Amy "after a lot of fanfiction" as you said, but in my opinion, it would no work outside of fanfiction. Basically, because after spending 5 seasons working on a relationship /Leonard /Penny) and two seasons working on another one (Sheldon/Amy) it would not make any sense to switch them up. Is throwing away all the development they've had out the window.

The growth that Leonard has had, has always been because of his relationship with Penny in one way or another, and the growth Sheldon has had, has been mainly due to his relationship with Amy.

Another thing, Amy is Penny's best friend, and Leonard is Sheldon's best friend... it would be really bad to see them switching partners just like that, at least one of them would feel betrayed, and their friendship being one of the fundamentals on the show, it would be really really bad. It would upset a lot of people (the Raj/Penny incident would be NOTHING next to that). They can't afford to do that for what? for the sake of shaking things up? it doesn't make any sense. they have a lot of comedic material with things as they are, there is absolutely NO need to go the cheap way IMO.

Some fans would love it (only the Shenny's) but no, the majority of people (and there is this poll on this thread as a sample) would loathe it.

[BlackWhiteRose]

Sursconia I agree with every single word you´ve written!

Absoluteley true what you´ve written. To switch Penny/Leonard Sheldon/Amy against Penny/Sheldon Leonard/Amy would really destroy everything (their development, their friendship etc.) And the poll speaks for itself.

I have no problem if people love these two together or write fanfictions about them. But when they misinterpret the scenes on the show then I don`t get that at all sorry but I don`t see any attraction at all I see surrogate sister or a surrogate mother in Penny for Sheldon. And when Penny sais she loves Sheldon it doesn`mean she is in love with him. In the US they say that they love someone when they talk about a good friend. And also descriptions like sweety or honey is also meant in a friendship way. I also call my best female friend sweety and I`m not in love with her.

Sheldon knows how to distinguish sweety from meaning "love" or meaning "friendship".

Edited October 7, 2012 by BlackWhiteRose

[annieogly]

Sursconia I agree with every single word you´ve written!

Absoluteley true what you´ve written. To switch Penny/Leonard Sheldon/Amy against Penny/Sheldon Leonard/Amy would really destroy everything (their development, their friendship etc.) And the poll speaks for itself.

I have no problem if people love these two together or write fanfictions about them. But when they misinterpret the scenes on the show then I don`t get that at all sorry but I don`t see any attraction at all I see surrogate sister or a surrogate mother in Penny for Sheldon. And when Penny sais she loves Sheldon it doesn`mean she is in love with him. In the US they say that they love someone when they talk about a good friend. And also descriptions like sweety or honey is also meant in a friendship way. I also call my best female friend sweety and I`m not in love with her.

Sheldon knows how to distinguish sweety from meaning "love" or meaning "friendship".

I didn't say Penny and Sheldon are in love; rather they do have a loving relationship-friendship and indeed this can turn into romantic love. Actually,couples who are friends; these are the kind of relationships in real life that last. In fact it works a lot better than Penny/Leonard sleeping together,drinking & breaking up. P/L haven't evolved at all and that's why they are a dead end.

@Sursonica I meant for Sheldon to take Penny around teaching her to dress & think like a nerd for her tv role; not physics, rather nerd culture. I think it would be fun for her to be on the inside & Sheldon could feel a twinge of sexual desire, look it up on the internet & decide intellectually that he wants to try it. Not an Amy-type research project. More Spock like.

As for Leonard & Sheldon's friendship frankly, the ultimate betrayal is Leonard's in the North Pole, messing with his research data and reputation. In real life that would have permanently broken ties & gotten Leonard fired. Leonard doesn't own Penny. And they can have in- between affairs. It looks like that will happen this season. The same for Amy; I can see her having finally having a fling with Zack or a Zack type person as she is frustrated.

And yes Leonard was happy to try and fit into pretty Alicia's world; he's not Penny specific, he's out for the trophy girlfriend, which is why I could see his character growing and appreciating Amy

Finally if you look at the classic 1930's Hollywood screwball romantic comedies: 'Bringing up Baby' 'The Lady Eve' 'Ball of Fire' - they all involve a sheltered innocent male intellectual and a streetwise warm woman who wakes him up to to the world of emotions and romance. It's a classic combination for a reason.

[Guest I'm not dead Cheryl]

Sursconia I agree with every single word you´ve written!

Absoluteley true what you´ve written. To switch Penny/Leonard Sheldon/Amy against Penny/Sheldon Leonard/Amy would really destroy everything (their development, their friendship etc.) And the poll speaks for itself.

I have no problem if people love these two together or write fanfictions about them. But when they misinterpret the scenes on the show then I don`t get that at all sorry but I don`t see any attraction at all I see surrogate sister or a surrogate mother in Penny for Sheldon. And when Penny sais she loves Sheldon it doesn`mean she is in love with him. In the US they say that they love someone when they talk about a good friend. And also descriptions like sweety or honey is also meant in a friendship way. I also call my best female friend sweety and I`m not in love with her.

Sheldon knows how to distinguish sweety from meaning "love" or meaning "friendship".

I didn't say Penny and Sheldon are in love; rather they do have a loving relationship-friendship and indeed this can turn into romantic love. Actually,couples who are friends; these are the kind of relationships in real life that last. In fact it works a lot better than Penny/Leonard sleeping together,drinking & breaking up. P/L haven't evolved at all and that's why they are a dead end.

@Sursonica I meant for Sheldon to take Penny around teaching her to dress & think like a nerd for her tv role; not physics, rather nerd culture. I think it would be fun for her to be on the inside & Sheldon could feel a twinge of sexual desire, look it up on the internet & decide intellectually that he wants to try it. Not an Amy-type research project. More Spock like.

As for Leonard & Sheldon's friendship frankly, the ultimate betrayal is Leonard's in the North Pole, messing with his research data and reputation. In real life that would have permanently broken ties & gotten Leonard fired. Leonard doesn't own Penny. And they can have in- between affairs. It looks like that will happen this season. The same for Amy; I can see her having finally having a fling with Zack or a Zack type person as she is frustrated.

And yes Leonard was happy to try and fit into pretty Alicia's world; he's not Penny specific, he's out for the trophy girlfriend, which is why I could see his character growing and appreciating Amy

Finally if you look at the classic 1930's Hollywood screwball romantic comedies: 'Bringing up Baby' 'The Lady Eve' 'Ball of Fire' - they all involve a sheltered innocent male intellectual and a streetwise warm woman who wakes him up to to the world of emotions and romance. It's a classic combination for a reason.

exactly, it is a classic combination, so I don't need to see it again.

anyhow, if you want that there are 1000 Shenny fanfics that go exactly like that, so you're gonna enjoy them. You can ship it, it's fine, no one is telling you not to. I crack/ship Raj & Amy for that matter, and I enjoy those fanfics, BUT I KNOW is not EVER going to happen on the show, and I wouldn't want it either. Fanfiction is an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT UNIVERSE, and i think a lot of Shenny fans do not think that way and transfer fanfiction elements into the show, when they're really not there.

But 99% of the chances are that is never going to happen in the show. If it were, they would have to begin to do it as soon as this season starts, and by the looks of it, the show is not going that way.

[annieogly]

Sursconia I agree with every single word you´ve written!

Absoluteley true what you´ve written. To switch Penny/Leonard Sheldon/Amy against Penny/Sheldon Leonard/Amy would really destroy everything (their development, their friendship etc.) And the poll speaks for itself.

I have no problem if people love these two together or write fanfictions about them. But when they misinterpret the scenes on the show then I don`t get that at all sorry but I don`t see any attraction at all I see surrogate sister or a surrogate mother in Penny for Sheldon. And when Penny sais she loves Sheldon it doesn`mean she is in love with him. In the US they say that they love someone when they talk about a good friend. And also descriptions like sweety or honey is also meant in a friendship way. I also call my best female friend sweety and I`m not in love with her.

Sheldon knows how to distinguish sweety from meaning "love" or meaning "friendship".

I didn't say Penny and Sheldon are in love; rather they do have a loving relationship-friendship and indeed this can turn into romantic love. Actually,couples who are friends; these are the kind of relationships in real life that last. In fact it works a lot better than Penny/Leonard sleeping together,drinking & breaking up. P/L haven't evolved at all and that's why they are a dead end.

@Sursonica I meant for Sheldon to take Penny around teaching her to dress & think like a nerd for her tv role; not physics, rather nerd culture. I think it would be fun for her to be on the inside & Sheldon could feel a twinge of sexual desire, look it up on the internet & decide intellectually that he wants to try it. Not an Amy-type research project. More Spock like.

As for Leonard & Sheldon's friendship frankly, the ultimate betrayal is Leonard's in the North Pole, messing with his research data and reputation. In real life that would have permanently broken ties & gotten Leonard fired. Leonard doesn't own Penny. And they can have in- between affairs. It looks like that will happen this season. The same for Amy; I can see her having finally having a fling with Zack or a Zack type person as she is frustrated.

And yes Leonard was happy to try and fit into pretty Alicia's world; he's not Penny specific, he's out for the trophy girlfriend, which is why I could see his character growing and appreciating Amy

Finally if you look at the classic 1930's Hollywood screwball romantic comedies: 'Bringing up Baby' 'The Lady Eve' 'Ball of Fire' - they all involve a sheltered innocent male intellectual and a streetwise warm woman who wakes him up to to the world of emotions and romance. It's a classic combination for a reason.

exactly, it is a classic combination, so I don't need to see it again.

anyhow, if you want that there are 1000 Shenny fanfics that go exactly like that, so you're gonna enjoy them. You can ship it, it's fine, no one is telling you not to. I crack/ship Raj & Amy for that matter, and I enjoy those fanfics, BUT I KNOW is not EVER going to happen on the show, and I wouldn't want it either. Fanfiction is an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT UNIVERSE, and i think a lot of Shenny fans do not think that way and transfer fanfiction elements into the show, when they're really not there.

But 99% of the chances are that is never going to happen in the show. If it were, they would have to begin to do it as soon as this season starts, and by the looks of it, the show is not going that way.

Very true; but one can only hope; and kidnap the writers & brainwash them:icon_twisted:

[HeWolf]

Is there a website somewhere that puts out talking points for Shenny shippers? The consistent content and tenor of their arguments suggests an organization at work.

[carl1970]

Penny and Sheldon have two completely different tastes towards the opposite sex. They are in no way compatible for each other. Either Sheldon or Penny would have to completely change as a character for any possibility of these two becoming a couple.

[Disgusted]

Is there a website somewhere that puts out talking points for Shenny shippers? The consistent content and tenor of their arguments suggests an organization at work.

No, just a big cube shaped mother ship.

[HeWolf]

Is there a website somewhere that puts out talking points for Shenny shippers? The consistent content and tenor of their arguments suggests an organization at work.

No, just a big cube shaped mother ship.

I do sense a collective mind involved in this movement...

[Moonbase]

Is there a website somewhere that puts out talking points for Shenny shippers? The consistent content and tenor of their arguments suggests an organization at work.

No, just a big cube shaped mother ship.

HeWolf could be on to something. A shenny organisation. There's probably even a handbook. 'The big bang theory that they show us, is not the real Big Bang theory. Shenny is the real Big Bang theory" and repeat. But seriously there are definitely shenny forums, whipping up the cause.

[rickfromillinois]

Once again, TPTB have said that it will never happen. The actors have not only said that it will never happen but seem surprised that anyone would ask about Sheldon and Penny getting together and seem to be disgusted with the whole idea. Once again, watch the interaction between Penny and Sheldon when they return from Disneyland. Penny treats Sheldon like a small child and Sheldon treats Penny like a surrogate mother. It would border on the perverse for Penny and Sheldon to get together considering how their relationship was portrayed in the episode and several others for that matter. The two of them getting together may have been written about many times by writers contributing to fanfiction, but there is a reason that they don't get paid for what they write.

[annieogly]

Once again, TPTB have said that it will never happen. The actors have not only said that it will never happen but seem surprised that anyone would ask about Sheldon and Penny getting together and seem to be disgusted with the whole idea. Once again, watch the interaction between Penny and Sheldon when they return from Disneyland. Penny treats Sheldon like a small child and Sheldon treats Penny like a surrogate mother. It would border on the perverse for Penny and Sheldon to get together considering how their relationship was portrayed in the episode and several others for that matter. The two of them getting together may have been written about many times by writers contributing to fanfiction, but there is a reason that they don't get paid for what they write.

Hmm, and as I pointed out Amy said she felt 'nothing' sexually from Sheldon when she held his hand in the Zack episode but that's changed. In season 3 they made Sheldon in a couple of episodes creepy, a 10 yr old child not a socially backward man.If we have 4 more seasons as I bet, they can move and develop their relationship from deep friendship to love. Danger! deep in our super-secret Shenny laboratory we are concocting the correct potions to move the writers along:icon_twisted:

ps. I'm also a massive Spock/Uhura shipper & don't insult fanfic; many writers now make a good living having come from therel in mainstream, lesfic, I know and admire many!

[carl1970]

Danger! deep in our super-secret Shenny laboratory we are concocting the correct potions to move the writers along:icon_twisted:

Sorry romantic Shenny shippers but the writers would be immune to your Kool Aid. The heart wants what the heart wants and the writers hearts are totally for L/P and the Shamy

[Moonbase]

Danger! deep in our super-secret Shenny laboratory we are concocting the correct potions to move the writers along:icon_twisted:

Sorry romantic Shenny shippers but the writers would be immune to your Kool Aid. The heart wants what the heart wants and the writers hearts are totally for L/P and the Shamy

Teehee, you have your work cut out, shenny's. Spock/Uhura? that's hilarious!

Personally I don't think they will be matched up either, sorry. The relationship side of this show seems to be physical appearance vs brains. Johnny is a handsome chap but he's made to appear less attractive to serve that purpose. So for the first time in Penny's life, she's NOT dating the 'hottie'. This is the only story arc the Penny character has. For Sheldon it's brain or nothing. Looks aren't everything, the writers have chosen these match-ups to emphasise this point.