phantagrae Posted September 27, 2012 Posted September 27, 2012 Well let's continue it: Penny kidnaps Sheldon's Flash & Batman comics and replaces them with Jughead and Archies. Sheldon infuriated, puts green body dye in Penny's bath salts turning her into Galia the sexually free green Orion slave girl; Penny rushes out of the bath into the apartment and flings herself on Sheldon to rub the dye all over him, they roll around on the floor and then with extreme prejudice she kisses him....We're in Taming of the Shrew territory if Leonard doesn't cut it short.... Um...not to rain on your fantasy, but no. There might be other ways to continue their feud, but it wouldn't be that. And it's been a while since I've read The Taming of the Shrew, but I remember enough to know that the above scenario isn't even in the ballpark. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickfromillinois Posted September 28, 2012 Posted September 28, 2012 Well let's continue it: Penny kidnaps Sheldon's Flash & Batman comics and replaces them with Jughead and Archies. Sheldon infuriated, puts green body dye in Penny's bath salts turning her into Galia the sexually free green Orion slave girl; Penny rushes out of the bath into the apartment and flings herself on Sheldon to rub the dye all over him, they roll around on the floor and then with extreme prejudice she kisses him....We're in Taming of the Shrew territory if Leonard doesn't cut it short.... Yeah right. While we are at it, let's have Penny grow wings and be able to blow up Sheldon's head with her mind. Then she could give into temptation and have a wild and hot affair with Amy. How about she shrinks so small that Leonard carries her around in his shirt pocket? As I said earlier, if TPTB decide to go this route I hope they give us advanced notice so that I won't waste my time watching it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixteenth note Posted September 29, 2012 Posted September 29, 2012 I can't help thinking it would be funny if they woke up in bed together, but neither of them were able to remember what (if anything) happend or how they got there... That would be funny. :-) As a couple? Too unrealistic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeWolf Posted September 29, 2012 Posted September 29, 2012 That would be funny. :-) As a couple? Too unrealistic. It wasn't funny when it was Penny and Raj. Why would it be funny with Penny and Sheldon? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPK Posted September 29, 2012 Posted September 29, 2012 It wasn't funny when it was Penny and Raj. Why would it be funny with Penny and Sheldon? Exactly. Fact is that TPTB caught a lot of negative feedback with Raj-Gate. They aren't going do anything that could rock the boat like this again, and a Penny/Sheldon hook up would be the proverbial iceberg to the shows Titanic. Regardless how anybody feels about the show now versus the ealier seasons, the set up they have right now, with the couples that are in place(L/P, S/A, H/B)have made the show a ratings beast. They are not going to tamper with this formula. Sitcoms are typically safe and predictive fair when it comes to television shows. Historically these kinds of shows, the ones that end up going long enough typically look for the winning formula's in their earlier years, and when they get that formula down they stick with it to the shows end. They don't typically take creative risks the way drama's and other types of genre shows do. TBBT is at it's very gore is your standard sitcom. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixteenth note Posted September 29, 2012 Posted September 29, 2012 It wasn't funny when it was Penny and Raj. Why would it be funny with Penny and Sheldon? I thought it was funny with Penny and Raj. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeWolf Posted September 30, 2012 Posted September 30, 2012 I thought it was funny with Penny and Raj. You and Chuck Lorre... I suppose with 14 - 15 million viewers per week it was inevitable that someone would find the Raj/Penny fiasco amusing. There could even be another person somewhere that would agree with you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangerMain Posted September 30, 2012 Posted September 30, 2012 You and Chuck Lorre... I suppose with 14 - 15 million viewers per week it was inevitable that someone would find the Raj/Penny fiasco amusing. There could even be another person somewhere that would agree with you. It was funny that on the six season opener, when Raj mentioned the "Incident", Penny and Leonard shouted him down and would not let him finish. That must be how the powers that be feel about that embarrasement in their artistic judgement. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixteenth note Posted September 30, 2012 Posted September 30, 2012 What was so wrong about it? Why all the fuss? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantagrae Posted September 30, 2012 Posted September 30, 2012 It never struck me that they intended to actually go any further with P & R. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixteenth note Posted September 30, 2012 Posted September 30, 2012 (edited) Doesn't really answer my question. Billions of young adults have one night stands. So why all the fuss??? Edited September 30, 2012 by sixteenth note Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbase Posted September 30, 2012 Posted September 30, 2012 I understand what you are saying. Yes it happens in real life and passes unnoticed but this is not real life, this is storytelling. We are following a story being sold to us as an ideal, and we develop an emotional investment in that story. I have no emotional investment in the story of your life and you have none is mine. TBBT is a fantasy and people don't like it when their fantasies get smashed. I was not on this forum when 'Lunar' aired but I saw some of the posts and the reaction was really bad. I believe the moderator had to shut down the episode thread entirely because it got so out of hand. That finale was seen as a massive betrayal by the writers to the premise of the show. Leonard was with Priya but no one really believed they were endgame. Penny had begun to express her feelings, and people wanted them back together and then that happened. It burst a massive bubble and dropped Penny off her pedestal with a thud. We can argue that people shouldn't react that way, but that's immaterial because they did. I'm a massive Sheldon fan and I thought he owned TBBT lock stock. But that reaction proved to me how vitally important the Leonard and Penny's story is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BazingaFan Posted September 30, 2012 Posted September 30, 2012 Penny was more likeable before that happened, and they did a lot of things with her in season 5 that just did not seem like penny. I have a hard time believing she was a bully in high school because she took to the guys so quickly without being judgemental. I also did not like that they had her stealing from the clothes bin. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangerMain Posted September 30, 2012 Posted September 30, 2012 (edited) I understand what you are saying. Yes it happens in real life and passes unnoticed but this is not real life, this is storytelling. We are following a story being sold to us as an ideal, and we develop an emotional investment in that story. I have no emotional investment in the story of your life and you have none is mine. TBBT is a fantasy and people don't like it when their fantasies get smashed. I was not on this forum when 'Lunar' aired but I saw some of the posts and the reaction was really bad. I believe the moderator had to shut down the episode thread entirely because it got so out of hand. That finale was seen as a massive betrayal by the writers to the premise of the show. Leonard was with Priya but no one really believed they were endgame. Penny had begun to express her feelings, and people wanted them back together and then that happened. It burst a massive bubble and dropped Penny off her pedestal with a thud. We can argue that people shouldn't react that way, but that's immaterial because they did. I'm a massive Sheldon fan and I thought he owned TBBT lock stock. But that reaction proved to me how vitally important the Leonard and Penny's story is. Beautifully stated. The one positive fall out from the Raj/Penny almost hook-up was Chuck Lorre and crew found out definately the difference in the fan base between TBBT and his other property Two and a Half Men. All through the fourth season the writer's tried to make the Penny character more problematic, to make her more like Lorre's original intent. This started with the first episode discusion by Sheldon and Amy on her sluttiness and the number of men she had slept with though what had been stated and shown in the previous three season would have contridicted that.Then she started to drink to excess and become whiny and self loathing when Priya entered the picture. All of these faults led up to the sleeping with Raj. While this would be business as usual on 2 and a half men, they found out TBBT fan base reacted with outrage. All they succeeded in doing was to bring fan anger to Penny after she had been admired for being so kind and loving to their favorite nerd. They made her even more questionable in season 5 after reuniting her with Leonard as she is shallow, dismissive and immature in her dealings with him. This has led to the emergecy repair job they promised to do on Penny this season. Edited September 30, 2012 by BangerMain Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixteenth note Posted September 30, 2012 Posted September 30, 2012 Thanks for the explanations. What a judgemental fanbase this show has. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbangsheldon Posted September 30, 2012 Posted September 30, 2012 I'm not judging Penny and Raj for having a one-night stand. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixteenth note Posted September 30, 2012 Posted September 30, 2012 Many are. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Europa Posted September 30, 2012 Posted September 30, 2012 (edited) I judged them. You bet I did, and for all the reasons that have already been given. I still like both characters and I guess they recovered from that ill-conceived plot twist as best they could, but yes, I found that a WTF moment that negatively affected my view of both Penny and Raj. I judged Leonard harshly for letting Sheldon believe his North Pole research was successful. That was a real dick move, I don't care how annoying Sheldon was being. If he felt he had to let Sheldon think it was going great to keep from killing him up there, fine - but he had a responsibility, as Sheldon's best friend, to make sure that Sheldon found out the truth in a way that didn't humiliate him in front of all of his colleagues. A fanbase is judgmental because they care about the characters, and when those characters do something they don't like it's taken personally. It's actually a compliment to the show because the characters have made it more than a TV show - they've become like real friends or family from whom a certain standard of behavior is expected. Is it unrealistic? Sure. But it's the reason we watch. Edited September 30, 2012 by Europa Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangerMain Posted September 30, 2012 Posted September 30, 2012 (edited) Thanks for the explanations. What a judgemental fanbase this show has. I think Moonbase's explaination is closer to the truth. The fanbase reacting the way they did was not because of any moral judgement on Penny. They felt a betrayal of the premise of the show and a corruption of the expectations of her character. Penny, plain and simple, was written as the object of attraction for Leonard. She was a Nebraska farm girl who came to seek her fortune in movies in LA who had only gotten as far as waitressing at the Cheesecake factory while living for four years with a good for nothing boyfriend. She was kind and gentle and a little naive but surprisingly accepting of her new neighbors who came from a world she did not understand in the least. She was taken advantage of by men in the first two seasons but always rescued by her little nerd in shining (digital) armour, Leonard. She was irratated by Leonard's roomate, Sheldon, but still willing to sing "Soft Kitty" to him when he was not feeling well. She finally realized that she needed her short, socially awarkard admirer more then the stupid hunks who emotionally abused her. That's the Penny that we fans of the series saw and loved in the first two and two thirds seasons. That was not the Penny that co-creator, Chuck Lorre wanted. The Penny we saw was forced on him by the network and was acceptable for an early evening slot on network TV. The original concept of the lead female character was the exact opposite of the Penny we saw in the first show. Lorre decided after the show became a success in the third season during the 9:30PM time slot after Two and a Half Men, to remake Penny closer to his original intention. She broke up with Leonard and suddenly the vices were piled on. This culminated with the Raj debacle at the end of the fourth season, though they made her pretty unlikable in the fifth season as well. If Penny had been this way all along, there would not have been much fan outrage. Personally I don't think the show would have been on the air either, since the reason that the orignal pilot did not get picked-up is because the test audience hated the female lead character's treatement and exploitation of the nerds. Like Moonbase said, it was the betrayal of the premise of the show that got folks upset. Edited October 1, 2012 by BangerMain Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPK Posted September 30, 2012 Posted September 30, 2012 I think Moonbase's explaination is closer to the truth. The fanbase reacted the way they did was not because any moral judgement on Penny. They felt a betrayal of the premise and a corruption of the expectation of character. Penny, plain and simple, was written as the object of attraction for Leonard. She was a Nebraska farm girl who came to seek her fortune in movies in LA who had only gotten as far as waitressing at the Cheesecake factory while living for four years with a good for nothing boyfriend. She was kind and gentle and a little naive but surprisingly accepting of her new neighbors who came from a world she did not understand in the least. She was taken advantage of by men in the first two seasons but always rescued by her little nerd in shining (digital) armour, Leonard. She was irratated by Leonard's roomate, Sheldon, but still willing to sing "Soft Kitty" to him when he was not feeling well. She finally realized that she needed her short, socially awarkard admirer more then the stupid hunks who emotionally abused her. That's the Penny that we fans of the series saw and loved in the first two and two thirds seasons. That was not the Penny that co-creator, Chuck Lorre wanted. The Penny we saw was forced on him by the networks and was exceptable for early evening slot on network TV. The original concept of the lead female character was the exact opposite of the Penny we saw in the first show. Lorre decided after the the show became a success in the third season during the 9:30PM time slot after Two and a Half Men, to remake Penny closer to his original intention, she broke up with Leonard and suddenly the vices were piled on. This culminated with the Raj debacle at the end of the fourth season, though they made her pretty unlikable in the fifth season as well. If Penny had been this way all along, there would not have been much fan outrage. Personally I don't think the show would have been on the air either, since the reason that the orignal pilot did not get picked-up is because the test audience hated the female lead character treatement of the nerds. Like Moonbase said, it was the betrayal of the premise of the show that got folks upset. Exact-a-mundo. This is also the reason why Chuck Lorre really needs to stay on strictly the business ends of things regarding the show and leave the creative part to the people who aren't as jaded on relationships and woman as he clearly is because the whole Raj-Gate thing was his doing. It's pretty much come out that the other writers and executives of the show really weren't in favor of going in that direction but he has the final say in such things and we all saw how that turned out. Just to keep the thread on topic, no romantic Shenny. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Posted September 30, 2012 Posted September 30, 2012 Well let's continue it: Penny kidnaps Sheldon's Flash & Batman comics and replaces them with Jughead and Archies. Sheldon infuriated, puts green body dye in Penny's bath salts turning her into Galia the sexually free green Orion slave girl; Penny rushes out of the bath into the apartment and flings herself on Sheldon to rub the dye all over him, they roll around on the floor and then with extreme prejudice she kisses him....We're in Taming of the Shrew territory if Leonard doesn't cut it short.... I think you are trying to make shamy fans scream with that one. Sheldon dyeing Penny and her reaction would be very funny. It wasn't funny when it was Penny and Raj. Why would it be funny with Penny and Sheldon? It all comes down to writing. If only Penny and Sheldon know about it and they have and adventure trying to figure out what happened it could be funny especially if nothing really happened. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BazingaFan Posted October 1, 2012 Posted October 1, 2012 i don't think sheldon and penny should be romantic, but I do miss their scenes together. They were good together, and very funny. We don't see it much anymore. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disgusted Posted October 1, 2012 Posted October 1, 2012 (edited) Billions of young adults have one night stands. So why all the fuss??? What a judgemental fanbase this show has. You say that like it's a bad thing. You must be one of those Hippies that Sheldon goes on about. Edited October 1, 2012 by Disgusted Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeWolf Posted October 1, 2012 Posted October 1, 2012 (edited) Leonard: Are you even listening to me? Sheldon: Yes. "Blah blah, hopeless SHENNY delusion, blah blah." Oh, Sheldon originally said Penny. But if he were on this board I imagine the line would be the one above... Edited October 1, 2012 by HeWolf Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbangsheldon Posted October 1, 2012 Posted October 1, 2012 Hahaha, good one HeWolf!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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