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They are a couple. They fact that they are not the kind of couple you prefer doesn't mean they are a fail as you call it. No couple is like another. What doesn't work FOR YOU will work for someone els

Shall we start a thread entitled YES MORE AMY ?

In your opinion--why do you think their relationship is a "big FAIL"?   What about it is a failure?  They are intellectually compatible, they enjoy each other's company, they appreciate each other's

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i totally agree sheldon should be single NO MORE AMY!!!!

 

Why SHOULD he be single?

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Why SHOULD he be single?

 

 

Why not?  He was happy.   I have known several people to make it through their lives single.  My sister appears to be one of them.  Would it be so outrageous to have a happy single man?

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Why not?  He was happy.   I have known several people to make it through their lives single.  My sister appears to be one of them.  Would it be so outrageous to have a happy single man?

 

I'm not saying he wasn't happy being single. He was. But being single/with a partner is not about being happy or not. Finding a couple just to make you happy is not healthy.

 

He was happy when he was single, he is happy now with Amy. It's different kinds of happy. SO, being single or not, really doesn't have anything to do with it

 

ETA: and for the record, and for what we've seen on the show so far, even if he was happy being single, if at this point he would lose Amy he would be VERY unhappy. 

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Your sister and Sheldon are two different kinds of people. One, that's your sister and two, Sheldon is not and that he's fictional. The writers gave him a girlfriend. They want him to have a girlfriend. They thought he's better off with a girlfriend. That's what they're planning this fictional character they've created.

 

Some people lived their lives being single. I have 4 grandaunts who are single. They were contented with their life. I have teachers who are at their 50s and are single and miserable for not having partners. So, there's two kind of people. We cannot just assume a situation based on what we deem supportive of our opinion because there's a billion people in this world and not everyone's the same. We all cannot live with the same standard.

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I'm not saying he wasn't happy being single. He was. But being single/with a partner is not about being happy or not. Finding a couple just to make you happy is not healthy.

 

He was happy when he was single, he is happy now with Amy. It's different kinds of happy. SO, being single or not, really doesn't have anything to do with it

 

ETA: and for the record, and for what we've seen on the show so far, even if he was happy being single, if at this point he would lose Amy he would be VERY unhappy. 

 

I was just about to make this logical point, Sursonica said it better. The fact that Sheldon was happy when he was single and Sheldon is also happy when he's with Amy can't be an argument for saying that he SHOULD be single. And given that he would definitely be sad to lose her now, it seems he does consider her as value added, in his life.

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The show has to grow or it will die or stagnate...Amy is a wonderful nerdy character and I am glad Mayim is on the show playing her.

 

Untrue. The longest running and most highly regarded shows (sit-coms especially) are ones that didn't change too much. Any changing they did do, was very near or right at their ends... Or if they did change sooner, it was almost always looked back on as the start of their decline. Amy & especially Bernadette's presences have altered this show and it's characters for the worse. I could deal with Amy (not really a bad character in & of itself) if she weren't Sheldon's girlfriend, but rather a recurring background character with about as much screen-time as a Barry or Leslie.

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Untrue. The longest running and most highly regarded shows (sit-coms especially) are ones that didn't change too much. Any changing they did do, was very near or right at their ends... Or if they did change sooner, it was almost always looked back on as the start of their decline. Amy & especially Bernadette's presences have altered this show and it's characters for the worse. I could deal with Amy (not really a bad character in & of itself) if she weren't Sheldon's girlfriend, but rather a recurring background character with about as much screen-time as a Barry or Leslie.

 

changing the characers "for the worse" it's an opinon really, not a fact. The show went for character growth since day 1 (that is the premise of the whole show, you know, Penny influencing the guys and viceversa) and, based on the figures I say it's doing pretty good, especially for a 6th season.

 

But whateaver, it always comes down to the same thing, Amy should be gone because "she shouldn't be Sheldon's girlfriend" or "Sheldon shuld be single" which is really unfair, because at this point, Amy is MUCH more than just some character's girlfriend. She is a full character and a very good one much more developed than Leslie or Barry ever were.

 

anyhow, she's not going anywhere so, might as well get used to it. 

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changing the characers "for the worse" it's an opinon really, not a fact. The show went for character growth since day 1 (that is the premise of the whole show, you know, Penny influencing the guys and viceversa) and, based on the figures I say it's doing pretty good, especially for a 6th season.

 

But whateaver, it always comes down to the same thing, Amy should be gone because "she shouldn't be Sheldon's girlfriend" or "Sheldon shuld be single" which is really unfair, because at this point, Amy is MUCH more than just some character's girlfriend. She is a full character and a very good one much more developed than Leslie or Barry ever were.

 

anyhow, she's not going anywhere so, might as well get used to it. 

 

Yes, for the worse is my opinion. But it is fact that their presence has altered the other characters. If you look back at the history of the great sit-coms, they did not change much, if at all. The Big Bang Theory is not a drama that requires growth or change. Almost any sit-com that can be looked back upon as long standing did not alter the characters in any way. And when they did (as I said), it was almost always looked at as the beginning of their decline or an end of the series revelation. So what that Amy is more developed than Barry or Leslie? Just because she is doesn't mean she should be. I could run out and rob a liquor store, but that doesn't make it a great idea. There are background characters in all TV shows. A character that comes along and alters the chemistry is usually not a good thing as far as sit-coms go. Like I said, I can deal with Amy, as she's actually a good character (my big gripe is with Bernadette), but the fact that she's altered Sheldon's basic character is not an overall wise move. Amy should have either stayed a background character or had a limited story arc, like Dr. Stephanie did.

 

And I do realize that Amy is (very likely) not going anywhere. It is however nothing I need to get used to. TBBT is a TV show & nothing more. Sure, I'm here discussing it, but it has zero importance as far as my life is concerned. It could be the greatest show in the history of television or it could be cancelled tomorrow... I'm still gonna put my pants on one leg at a time.

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I really don't understand this reasoning that "the shows the run the longest don't change that much". While true, that does not make it an objectively good thing, it's a matter of preference. You prefer shows that run for 15 seasons with no change, I prefer shows that run 7 but show me character growth and development. She hasn't altered Sheldon all that much, the fact that people obsess so much over whether Sheldon has a girlfriend/sex makes me wonder whether they realize that there's more to what makes Sheldon Sheldon than the fact that he's a virgin. IMO, Sheldon with no Amy would have turned into Raj: stagnant, boring and predictable, in the long run. 

 

And, finally, Amy and Bernadette having altered the show for the worse? Again, preference. The ratings seem to suggest that most viewers think otherwise, find me a tv show that breaks records in its 6th season. If they had "ruined" the show this wouldn't be happening. I'm not saying they're the reason for the records at all, but obviously people like the show as it is now. I don't think either of them are going to go anywhere unless the actresses get fed up.

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Almost any sit-com that can be looked back upon as long standing did not alter the characters in any way. And when they did (as I said), it was almost always looked at as the beginning of their decline or an end of the series revelation.

 

Does it really matter where the decline of other shows started? This show is clearly not in a state of decline right now, it's at the peak of its performance. Which means that whatever changes or additions are being made, they're handling it successfully.

 

She hasn't altered Sheldon all that much, the fact that people obsess so much over whether Sheldon has a girlfriend/sex makes me wonder whether they realize that there's more to what makes Sheldon Sheldon than the fact that he's a virgin. IMO, Sheldon with no Amy would have turned into Raj: stagnant, boring and predictable, in the long run.

 

This is how I feel, too. In fact that already showed signs of happening, towards the end of season 3 - too many one-dimensional Sheldon-is-crazy storylines, with no alleviating counterpoints of depth or variation. The experiences Sheldon is going through at this time, both internal and external, make the goings-on unpredictable.

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Your sister and Sheldon are two different kinds of people. One, that's your sister and two, Sheldon is not and that he's fictional. The writers gave him a girlfriend. They want him to have a girlfriend. They thought he's better off with a girlfriend. That's what they're planning this fictional character they've created.

 

Some people lived their lives being single. I have 4 grandaunts who are single. They were contented with their life. I have teachers who are at their 50s and are single and miserable for not having partners. So, there's two kind of people. We cannot just assume a situation based on what we deem supportive of our opinion because there's a billion people in this world and not everyone's the same. We all cannot live with the same standard.

 

That may be what they are planning now but it is a large deviation from the beginning.  You can even tell by the way they had to transform Amy from a girl, who as I recall, only socialized to appease her mother to the sex-starved creature she is today.

 

What you call planning I see as pandering to the mainstream who sees a void with an unpaired wildly popular character.  A void that had to be manufactured. 

 

He was happy before, and yes, they have made him happy now.  It doesn't make sense as he likes everything to be orderly and tidy and relationships are anything but, however, as you pointed out he is a fictional character.  If next week they want him to perform acts in a circus it is their perogative.

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Hey Lissie...I fear it's already part of his inherited mother's Forma Mentis...She brough him up so religiously cute. :)  

That time when she visited her son to find out what kind of relation he was in she asked Leonard: "Have they sinned?"

 

Poor Sheldon, some want he remain virgin forever. He is very much cute for that :p

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Hey Lissie...I fear it's already part of his inherited mother's Forma Mentis...She brough him up so religiously cute. :)  

That time when she visited her son to find out what kind of relation he was in she asked Leonard: "Have they sinned?"

Yes, I remember this episode :)

But the people who wants him virgin forever are not thinking in a religious way but they want Sheldon keep the same Sheldon for ever. But I think he just changed.

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Does it really matter where the decline of other shows started? This show is clearly not in a state of decline right now, it's at the peak of its performance. Which means that whatever changes or additions are being made, they're handling it successfully.

 

That's your opinion. My onion is that it is in a state of decline, and has been since (the end of) season 3. But that's not the real point. The point is that when you look at seasons 1-3, then look at seasons 4-6, it's like two different shows. 1-3 was intelligent, nerd humor revolving around 4 guys who either couldn't get girls, couldn't keep one or didn't want one (among other things). 4-6 have been more about relationships. It went from Revenge of the Nerds to Friends. In the process, one character (Howard) has been completely destroyed and another (Sheldon) is being altered from what made him such a great character to begin with. If you want a typical, been there done that a hundred times before sit-com, then no, TBBT is not in decline. Otherwise, it most surely is. Hell, when Jim Parsons was on Craig Ferguson a month or so back, Craig asked him how he thought the show was going, and Jim clearly hesitated, ultimately giving a safe, but uninspired answer. It was painfully obvious that he's not enthused about the direction the show is going. In fact, Jim's answer was so fake, Craig (humorously) questioned his honesty.

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Jim? Ha! Jim is the #1 cheerleader when it comes on how they are handling the show right now and ESPECIALLY his relationship with Amy. I'm just leaving a few links because I really don't have them all here. Wether he was fake or not that is your interpretation, and I can hardly take it as a fact, when everything Jim says points to the contrary.

 



http://blog.zap2it.com/frominsidethebox/2011/11/the-big-bang-theory-jim-parsons-talks-about-sheldons-relationship-with-amy.html



http://www.popscreen.com/v/6tMcv/The-Tonight-Show-with-Jay-Leno-_-Backstage-Jim-Parsons-Meghan-McCain
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Jim? Ha! Jim is the #1 cheerleader when it comes on how they are handling the show right now and ESPECIALLY his relationship with Amy. I'm just leaving a few links because I really don't have them all here. Wether he was fake or not that is your interpretation, and I can hardly take it as a fact, when everything Jim says points to the contrary.

 

 

Not to nitpick but I don't know when the tweet interview was shot, the one on one was in season 4, the article in season 5, and the last one didn't work.  So unless the first interview was from some time recently we don't know how he feels about it "right now".

 

Of course it doesn't matter what his opinions are.

 

I think we are mixing two different things though.  Both are opinions but one is a hard sell. 

 

1) Is the show better than in its earlier seasons?  It is certainly more relatable to a larger audience.  The science content is lower and Sheldon is being molded into a standard sitcom male.  He is the dumb male who must learn how to be better in the relationship with the near-perfect woman.  By chewing up sections of shows with this tripe the audience gets what is familiar to them.

 

2) Is the show funnier than in its early seasons?  If romantic comedy is your thing you could say yes.  If you try to say that the same kind of comedy, jokes, and dialog that was funny in early seasons is better now, it simply can't be true.  Jokes do not age well, dialog gets stale, and show scenarios get recycled and predictable.

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Not to nitpick but I don't know when the tweet interview was shot, the one on one was in season 4, the article in season 5, and the last one didn't work.  So unless the first interview was from some time recently we don't know how he feels about it "right now".

 

Of course it doesn't matter what his opinions are.

 

The tweet interview was shot at the beginning of Season 6. And if anything, Jim's opinions matter more than any of our opinions do because he has a more intimate relationship with the character of Sheldon than we can ever hope or claim to. :)

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The tweet interview was shot at the beginning of Season 6. And if anything, Jim's opinions matter more than any of our opinions do because he has a more intimate relationship with the character of Sheldon than we can ever hope or claim to. :)

 

 

I have a close relationship with myself but that does not mean everyone will like me just because I do.

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