the_shewwy Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 I have a close relationship with myself but that does not mean everyone will like me just because I do. All the same, I think it matters to me what his opinions are regarding Sheldon's character growth and his relationship with Amy are, as Sheldon is personally my favourite character on the show and it is nice to hear that he does support what the writers are doing with both of their characters. That's not to say that I like all the changes that the writers have made over the past few seasons. I really do miss the original five from time to time (The 43 Peculiarity was the best ep so far this season in my opinion) and the show really does seem to have progressed to exploring the relationships of the characters rather than the original friendship aspect. I do miss the original Howard before he got married and I frequently find the whole Leonard/Penny thing boring. While I didn't like Amy at all at the start, I really do like her character more now in Season 6. She does seem to have developed into a more rounded out character rather than the female version of Sheldon that she was at the beginning and it is nice to let her get Sheldon out of his comfort zone from time to time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anomaly Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 (edited) Jim? Ha! Jim is the #1 cheerleader when it comes on how they are handling the show right now and ESPECIALLY his relationship with Amy. I'm just leaving a few links because I really don't have them all here. Wether he was fake or not that is your interpretation, and I can hardly take it as a fact, when everything Jim says points to the contrary. Hmm, are you going to publicly say that you think your bosses are screwing up the company you work for? No, because even if you didn't lose your job, things would become uncomfortable. What this conversation comes down is that you seem to like the standardized, been there, done that show that TBBT has become. You defend the dumbed-down, rom-com format where the nerdy references have to be explained, rather than stand up for something that used to be unique & intelligent. That's your taste & that's fine. But don't try & sell it to people who want & expect more form a show that used to be able to deliver it, because we're not buying. At least I'm not. Edited January 18, 2013 by Anomaly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest I'm not dead Cheryl Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 (edited) Hmm, are you going to publicly say that you think your bosses are screwing up the company you work for? No, because even if you didn't lose your job, things would become uncomfortable. What this conversation comes down is that you seem to like the standardized, been there, done that show that TBBT has become. You defend the dumbed-down, rom-com format where the nerdy references have to be explained, rather than stand up for something that used to be unique & intelligent. That's your taste & that's fine. But don't try & sell it to people who want & expect more form a show that used to be able to deliver it, because we're not buying. At least I'm not. i don't think it is like that at all, especially since Kunal is not happy at all with Raj and he says it and nobody has shut him up about it, so I don't think Jim says nice things because "he is forced to" as you are trying to imply. I'm not trying to sell anything. I am taking things at a face value, you are the one who says that there something "behind" or something else, so, in any case, if someone is trying to "sell" something, it's you, especially since YOU are the one who brought that up. Second, I do like the show as it was before, and I like it now. I don't think it has been dumbed down or that it is a dumb rom-com format now (in any case, it has always been rom-com oriented since Leonard/Penny was the main story since the freakin' pilot), so don't pass your judgment as a fact when it is just an opinion, AS valid as mine, but not MORE valid than mine. The fact that you don't like the show now doesn't make you smarter, or more intelligent or with better taste than anyone, it just makes you have a different opinion. Not liking the show as much as before doesn't make you a palladin of what's "unique and intelligent", btw. Edited January 18, 2013 by Sursonica Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbase Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 (edited) i don't think it is like that at all, especially since Kunal is not happy at all with Raj and he says it and nobody has shut him up about it, so I don't think Jim says nice things because "he is forced to" as you are trying to imply. I saw that interview, Kunal complained about Raj because of gay implications for the character. Johnny tried to shut him up. It would be extremely unwise for any actor to complain about the sitcom they are in. Look at what happened with Angus T Jones! He was forced to apologise after he called Two and a half men 'fifth'. It was all over the news and the BBC said it... "...attracted such attention because it breaks a law of product loyalty implicit in the industry and sometimes contractually stipulated." Actors do have to be careful and diplomatic and this is how Jim has been coming across lately. They really can't cmplain even if they wanted too. Edited January 18, 2013 by Moonbase Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pomita Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 (edited) 'The show is not in a state of decline' isn't my opinion. As I keep saying repeatedly, the only OBJECTIVE measures of whether the show is doing well or not are ratings (popularity) and awards (critical appreciation). On both these criteria, TBBT's flag is flying higher than ever before, at this point. Everything else - whether you liked earlier seasons more, or I like later seasons more - is opinion. (As Sursonica says, I can't even differentiate my liking on the basis of seasons, but that's another matter). I have a close relationship with myself but that does not mean everyone will like me just because I do. That is not the point. Anomaly is alleging that Jim is 'clearly not enthused about the direction of the show right now'. This is simply not true. The fact that Jim absolutely loves the progression of Sheldon's character especially in the context of his relationship with Amy is not in need of interpretation. He has repeatedly, enthusiastically and whole-heartedly said so. He loves working with Mayim and never fails to single her out and mention that in his interviews. He has also gone on record to say that he's 'grateful to the writers for giving him new material to play with, and allowing him to go deeper in some scenes and moments'. There would be no reason for him to go so far as saying this, except in all sincerity. As his fan, I've watched every interview he's given in the last 6 years, and if anything is clear about him, it's that he's happy with the direction of the show right now. It's also clear why - he's an actor, and of course he would like to flex his acting muscles with new nuances and challenges in his character, instead of doing exactly the same thing for years. This doesn't make it wrong or right, or oblige anyone else to like it, but it's still a reality check that he does feel good about what he's getting to do. The fact that you don't like the show now doesn't make you smarter, or more intelligent or with better taste than anyone, it just makes you have a different opinion. Not liking the show as much as before doesn't make you a palladin of what's "unique and intelligent", btw. This. And I have no idea why it's so hard to understand this. Implying that anyone who dares to like the show now is dumb and unintelligent is insulting and rather silly. Edited January 18, 2013 by Pomita Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djvang Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 (edited) 'The show is not in a state of decline' isn't my opinion. As I keep saying repeatedly, the only OBJECTIVE measures of whether the show is doing well or not are ratings (popularity) and awards (critical appreciation). On both these criteria, TBBT's flag is flying higher than ever before, at this point. Ratings are not necessarily objective. There are so many variables involved such as competition. A show's ratings might vary considerably based on what it's up against. Put TBBT up against say, American Idol, and see what happens to it's ratings. It could be the exact same show but it's ratings would be different. That's not very "objective". And awards are not objective. If they were then the show with the highest rating would automatically be selected as the Best Show. That's not what happens is it? Also there is no objective way to measure whether one actor/actress/writer is "better" than any other actor/actress/writer. It's VERY subjective. Nice try though at claiming YOUR opinions are fact. Edited January 18, 2013 by djvang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pomita Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Ratings are not necessarily objective. There are so many variables involved such as competition. A show's ratings might vary considerably based on what it's up against. Put TBBT up against say, American Idol, and see what happens to it's ratings. It could be the exact same show but it's ratings would be different. That's not very "objective". And awards are not objective. If they were then the show with the highest rating would automatically be selected as the Best Show. That's not what happens is it? Also there is no objective way to measure whether one actor/actress/writer is "better" than any other actor/actress/writer. It's VERY subjective. Nice try though at claiming YOUR opinions are fact. Ratings are a good measure of popularity, if not quality. Awards and nominations across multiple awarding bodies are a measure of appreciation by those who many consider qualified to judge quality. Awards often don't correlate with ratings, and hence I mentioned these as two independent measures. I think it's pretty self-evident that a combination of success on both these counts carries more weight than the opinions of individual viewers. No idea why this should be considered as me 'trying' to do anything. I'm stating what the facts are. If the situation were reversed, I can say for sure that I wouldn't be here trying to prove that my opinion, standalone, is the best measure of quality. My ego doesn't reach that far. FYI, TBBT was up against AI last season, and beat it several times in ratings. With a gain of some 4 million viewers this season, it's more than likely to repeat the act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shel_Ra_Ho_Le Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 I saw that interview, Kunal complained about Raj because of gay implications for the character. Johnny tried to shut him up. It would be extremely unwise for any actor to complain about the sitcom they are in. Look at what happened with Angus T Jones! He was forced to apologise after he called Two and a half men 'fifth'. It was all over the news and the BBC said it... "...attracted such attention because it breaks a law of product loyalty implicit in the industry and sometimes contractually stipulated." Actors do have to be careful and diplomatic and this is how Jim has been coming across lately. They really can't cmplain even if they wanted too. Wait! What interview?????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest I'm not dead Cheryl Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 (edited) In any case, I don't think that Johnny tried to shush Kunal because of complaining about Raj's direction on the show, (evidenced by the fact that Kunal keeps making these comments -check his twitter, or his red carpet mini-interviews, heck I saw one last night where he said he wanted to have Mayim as his love interest on the show but since he was taken already he didn't have any hopes) but rather because he was coming across as a homophobe douche. The whole cast was bothered by the tone on which he was making that comment and it was evident in that interview. Angus T Jones and Charlie Sheen's cases are VERY different, they went to extremes and it is not really appropiate at all to compare both situations. Krys, this interview: BTW: Does it really matter at ALL what the actors think? I don't think so. We are not discussing their opinions here.I also think it's kinda funny to bring their opinions to the aid of the "the show is going down hill" argument when the opinions of the actors that were brought in the argument make the exact opposite case. Jim is praising the character's development and enjoys it, and the one who keeps complaining is Kunal... the ONLY character that has had no develpment, and that is the same as it was 3 seasons ago.... wasn't the point of the argument that brought the actor's opinions to say that the show was better up until Season 3? Well, as I said, the only actor who is complaining is the one who plays the character that is stuck in Season 3. Edited January 19, 2013 by Sursonica Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shel_Ra_Ho_Le Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Yani is the best! Thanks sweetie. *hugs* Also was that last year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest I'm not dead Cheryl Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 (edited) Yani is the best! Thanks sweetie. *hugs* Also was that last year? yep, before Season 6 premiere *hug Krys!!!!* I love you Edited January 19, 2013 by Sursonica Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shel_Ra_Ho_Le Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 yep, before Season 6 premiere *hug Krys!!!!* I love you Aww! Love you too. You're my bestie here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbase Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 I was making a point that it is not wise for an actor to complain about the show they are in. We won't know everything until the biographies come out. And in that interview Johnny was pissed at Kunal. I'm know what I saw. The show is not as original as it once was, but I still watch it. It doesn't make me think that I'm stupid for doing so. But I also don't feel a need to blindly defend it either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pomita Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 (edited) I agree that Kunal seems to be the only one who has some issues about the non-development of his character, and justifiably so, I think. His retweeting something about Raj's stagnation shows that. But I also don't feel a need to blindly defend it either. There's nothing 'blind' about either defending it or not defending it. Those of us who say that we love the present direction of the show genuinely feel that way, even if that's hard to understand for those who don't. I don't think the show needs anyone's defense counsel, at this point. Edited January 19, 2013 by Pomita Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viddy9 Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Season 4 Amy should stay for sure. Season 5-6 Amy should go. Having said that, I did like the fight she had with Bernadette over Sheldon's parking spot (yes, Sheldon's), and I enjoyed seeing Sheldon and Amy working together in that format. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djvang Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Ratings are a good measure of popularity, if not quality. Awards and nominations across multiple awarding bodies are a measure of appreciation by those who many consider qualified to judge quality. Awards often don't correlate with ratings, and hence I mentioned these as two independent measures. I think it's pretty self-evident that a combination of success on both these counts carries more weight than the opinions of individual viewers. No idea why this should be considered as me 'trying' to do anything. I'm stating what the facts are. If the situation were reversed, I can say for sure that I wouldn't be here trying to prove that my opinion, standalone, is the best measure of quality. My ego doesn't reach that far. FYI, TBBT was up against AI last season, and beat it several times in ratings. With a gain of some 4 million viewers this season, it's more than likely to repeat the act. You claimed that ratings and awards are objective. Ratings and awards are both subjecitve, based on the opinions of viewers and critics. An opinion is an opinion no matter who is stating it. You try to debunk opinions you disagree with with by claiming to have the objective facts, when those facts are really just based on opinions. It's a no win argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pomita Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 (edited) You claimed that ratings and awards are objective. Ratings and awards are both subjecitve, based on the opinions of viewers and critics. An opinion is an opinion no matter who is stating it. You try to debunk opinions you disagree with with by claiming to have the objective facts, when those facts are really just based on opinions. It's a no win argument. My point was that you can't say that a show is obviously in decline when it has two disjoint measures - majority public opinion and critical acclaim - strongly on it's side. In other words, my (remarkably mild) contention is - great ratings and awards indicate that the show is not clearly worse now, as some of you claim (I didn't even say it's better). Not trying to debunk anything, other than the attitude of 'show has been dumbed down and anyone who likes it now is part of the unintelligent present audience who can't appreciate uniqueness', which starts to get irritating at times. Of course it's a no-win argument, as you say. And of course we should understand the frustration of those who happen not to like the present direction, and cut them some slack for disparaging remarks. We have the pleasure of enjoying the show on our side. (The same argument holds for disappointed Shenny fans). Edited January 19, 2013 by Pomita Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djsurrey Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 Like may others I'd say Amy is good for the show. Character evolution is good too. Older plot lines have played out and the show would be a repetitive bore is nothing was changing. Amy, Bernadette and the new girl (I have not seen many of the newest episodes yet) are all good for the show. Like many I was initially attracted to the show because of my nerdy side but the new characters mean my wife can enjoy the show too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That70sGirl Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 The show has to grow or it will die or stagnate...Amy is a wonderful nerdy character and I am glad Mayim is on the show playing her. I agree. I also really like Bernadette's dynamic. I love where this show has grown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs.Soft-Kitty Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 (edited) Certainly, Amy and Sheldon are a creepy couple because their relationship is "weird" but Amy should stay ! She is dirty, little crazy She is really funny and unique. SHE STAY ;D Edited August 31, 2013 by Mrs.Soft-Kitty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldnavy Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 Amy is a regular part of the show now as is Bernadette. The show has developed it could not stay in its original format forever and continue to be successful. This show tells a story even though it is telling it slowly. Also, the introduction of Amy and Bernadette as friends of Penny have allowed for Penny's character to really develop. Penny would have never confided in Leonard or any other of the guys like she has these girls. There are some things that girls do not share with guys. The show can never return to just the original five. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixitmr Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 Amy is a regular part of the show now as is Bernadette. The show has developed it could not stay in its original format forever and continue to be successful. This show tells a story even though it is telling it slowly. Also, the introduction of Amy and Bernadette as friends of Penny have allowed for Penny's character to really develop. Penny would have never confided in Leonard or any other of the guys like she has these girls. There are some things that girls do not share with guys. The show can never return to just the original five. Totally agree .... Amy and Bernadette have given Penny someone to talk to about her problems other than Sheldon, he has given her NOTHING BUT BAD advice about relationship with Leonard .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaced_up Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 (edited) I must admit that I was intrigued by Amy at first. But I'm not so fond of her now. I did like the idea, at the end of season 3, that the boys saw it as an experiment to see how hilarious it would be if they found a match for Sheldon, but I think it should have stayed as a friendship. I voted ''Fade Slowly Away''. But, I wouldn't mind Amy appearing occasionally, just not as a main cast character. I think she's a bit heavy-going, but I probably could like her again if she only appeared sometimes, like the sporadic Leslie Winkle-oriented episodes. A few substantial episodes with Amy, but plenty gaps between her also. You read my mind. Very small doses, she's too OTT for me. Not all the time, she changes but generally there's something not quite right. Edited September 24, 2013 by Spaced_up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3ku11 Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 I think Amy is the only romanticaly compatible one for Sheldon realistically. Obviousley if you ship Sheldon with another character your going to have a pre-disposistion againgst Amy, not saying thats case for anyone here but it could be a factor hypothetically. I do like Amy, I think at times tho in S6 she came across needy and felt Sheldon was obligated to make progress in their relationship he just wasen't ready for, like in The Spoiler Alert Ep when Leonard moved in with Penny for a bit, Amy took the oppurtunity to pressure Sheldon into taking Leonard's room. I can understand being with Sheldon can feel like at glacier pace haha, but felt she was really OTT and pushy, had really nothing to do with her, this was the living arrangements between Leonard, Penny, and Sheldon. The writers have invested almost three seasons into Shamy, and have become a very popular relationship, and one of the archs of the show. So Amy isin't going anywhere for the sake of the show evolving and ratings, Amy need's to be in the show tbh, cant see them breaking up it would just be a waste of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaced_up Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 They aren't romantic at all. They picked the worse girlfriend they could think of and I just can't ship that. I don't see anything between them and that's not because I'm a shenny, it's because there's nothing there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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