Penny should go out with Sheldon

[Martin Pollard]

I can see that the forum is flooded with vehement Lennys so I guess there is little chance of expressing one's opinion....

Oh, spare us, please.

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[phantagrae]

I can see that the forum is flooded with vehement Lennys so I guess there is little chance of expressing one's opinion....   but one can always live in hope...

 

One can express any opinions one wants, but that doesn't mean there isn't going to be counterpoint, as others express their opinions.

 

And for the record, I'm not a "vehement" Lenny.  I'm a Lenny and a Shamy and a Howardette fan.  And I think it would be nice for Raj if he were able to find someone.  But these are all relationships that are supported by the ACTUAL writing of the show.

[Spaced_up]

But Amanda Grayson wasn't a ditzy community college drop-out waitress...

 

I don't think Penny is ditzy. Compared to Sheldon she's a social nexus.

[rachelshamyfan]

Penny may be the most "street" smart of the group but she in no way matches into the intellectual intelligence of all the others

[phantagrae]

I don't think Penny is ditzy. Compared to Sheldon she's a social nexus.

 

To be fair, I don't really consider her ditzy either, but she sure ain't no Amanda Grayson.

 

I think Penny is pretty smart and she actually learns quickly.  She's just uneducated and not much of a scholar, or, she certainly wasn't one when she was in school.

 

At any rate, she's certainly not on the intellectual level she would need to be for Sheldon to have enough in common with her.  And she really doesn't need to be or want to be.  She wants to be with Leonard, and she has tried to improve herself to some degree for that purpose, but he's pretty much fine with where she wants to be, since they are already bonded.

[Spaced_up]

Penny may be the most "street" smart of the group but she in no way matches into the intellectual intelligence of all the others

 

Penny was always sweet and compassionate and that meant more than 100 PhD's to me. Lately they have made her sarcastic and lazy, I prefer how she was. She had a real heart and genuinely cared for others. That set her apart. 

[phantagrae]

Penny was always sweet and compassionate and that meant more than 100 PhD's to me. Lately they have made her sarcastic and lazy, I prefer how she was. She had a real heart and genuinely cared for others. That set her apart. 

 

She still cares for the others--in the finale she was trying to help Sheldon get past his jealousy, easily expressed her love for Leonard, and then went to console Raj.

[Spaced_up]

She still cares for the others--in the finale she was trying to help Sheldon get past his jealousy, easily expressed her love for Leonard, and then went to console Raj.

 

A rare moment which I liked very much. 

[Nogravitasatall]

AMY is Sheldon's girl. Despite the variability of Sheldon's characteristics. He and Penny are comic foils. FOR ME, romantically attach them is like hooking up Laurel and Hardy, only without the same intensity of sexual chemistry.

in addition, to generate a Shenny now requires a degree of metaphorical blood-letting that would only please Caligula. I've read some contemporary Shenny stuff recently and it seems predicated on others suffering. I can understand regret that it didn't eventuate, but not that it could manifest now. It must only exist in alternate timelines. Its not just that I am LP inclined, just that as an act of storytelling it now fails. Its pushing up the daisies.

Edited May 29, 2013 by Nogravitasatall

[sarah7]

AMY is Sheldon's girl. Despite the variability of Sheldon's characteristics. He and Penny are comic foils. FOR ME, romantically attach them is like hooking up Laurel and Hardy, only without the same intensity of sexual chemistry.

in addition, to generate a Shenny now requires a degree of metaphorical blood-letting that would only please Caligula. I've read some contemporary Shenny stuff recently and it seems predicated on others suffering. I can understand regret that it didn't eventuate, but not that it could manifest now. It must only exist in alternate timelines. Its not just that I am LP inclined, just that as an act of storytelling it now fails. Its pushing up the daisies.

 

:lol:

 

Man, you are on fire today.

[Nogravitasatall]

I read a postVD shenny that was very unhealthy. Then I tried to think about how to make it work without causing any harm. I can't see a win/win. After 2 attempts a failed LP would result in the characters requiring professional help, if you allow them any existence as real persons. Penny drank enough when she was in limbo. What she would have to endure to hop onto Sheldon, and for Amy to hop off, is unconscionable TO ME.

but its a free internet,so others can have their say. Just my take.

[BangerMain]

I wonder, has there ever been a 'ship that the show creators, talent and runners have actively worked to discourage as much as the Shenny on TBBT? I would think that most creative talent don't care about non canon romantic couplings but the producers and actors on TBBT go out of their way to show on screen and state in interviews that the Shenny is not ever going to happen.

 

The Lenny and Shamy are given screen time to display their development but the once central comedic interplay between Penny and Sheldon has by necessity, been cut to a minimum. When they do talk now, its through a different view point. Penny is furiously protective of Leonard and his career, this season, and will not tolerate disparagement or jealousy from Sheldon, which pretty much limits what Sheldon has to talk about. Penny used to think of Sheldon as having great knowledge on things and she could go to him for advice on certain subjects. Season 6 showed her his advice is suspect. Since Sheldon's viewpoint is he is the sun and everybody revolves around him, they have given Shenny less common ground then they had before. The only person that accepts his world view is Amy so she is the only person who listens to him now.

 

The reason Shennys are frustrated in their argument for their ship is they are given almost nothing to work with by the reality on screen and off. When you are forced to get implication by the way an actor looks with their eyes while delivering dialog or how they were standing in the background of a party scene, you know you are being starve for evidenced by the writers. When your claims of special chemistry between actors depends on hugs exchanged at awards ceremonies or vacations taken together (completely ignoring that Kaley was there with Johnny and Jim was there with Todd) you are now inventing an alternate universe.

 

But you must admire the tenacity and resilience of such shippers. It's easy to ship canon on TBBT, Molaro and company will reward you most weeks. To ship Shenny requires an ability to endure suffering.

Edited May 30, 2013 by BangerMain

[Spaced_up]

I wonder, has there ever been a 'ship that the show creators, talent and runners have actively worked to discourage as much as the Shenny on TBBT? I would think that most creative talent don't care about non canon romantic couplings but the producers and actors on TBBT go out of their way to show on screen and state in interviews that the Shenny is not ever going to happen.

 

The Lenny and Shamy are given screen time to display their development but the once central comedic interplay between Penny and Sheldon has by necessity, been cut to a minimum. When they do talk now, its through a different view point. Penny is furiously protective of Leonard and his career, this season, and will not tolerate disparagement or jealousy from Sheldon, which pretty much limits what Sheldon has to talk about. Penny used to think of Sheldon as having great knowledge on things and she could go to him for advice on certain subjects. Season 6 showed her his advice is suspect. Since Sheldon's viewpoint is he is the sun and everybody revolves around him, they have given Shenny less common ground then they had before. The only person that accepts his world view is Amy so she is the only person who listens to him now.

 

The reason Shennys are frustrated in their argument for their ship is they are given almost nothing to work with by the reality on screen and off. When you are forced to get implication by the way an actor looks with their eyes while delivering dialog or how they were standing in the background of a party scene, you know you are being starve for evidenced by the writers. When your claims of special chemistry between actors depends on hugs exchanged at awards ceremonies or vacations taken together (completely ignoring that Kaley was there with Johnny and Jim was there with Todd) you are now inventing an alternate universe.

 

But you must admire the tenacity and resilience of such shippers. It's easy to ship canon on TBBT, Molaro and company will reward you most weeks. To ship Shenny requires an ability to endure suffering.

 

 

I couldn't agree more. This is such an such honest observation from an opposing ship. The writers have gone out of their way to discourage shenny and have separated the characters on the show because of the continued interest in them. I also strongly believe that Amy was created for the purpose of drawing a line under shenny forever. Your post is accurate and has been discussed at great length by shennys. 

[phantagrae]

I think that Penny and SHeldon have a great SIBLING relationship.  Sheldon still relies on her for advice and I don't think that Penny begrudges him that.  And she still functions as an older sister or a sorority sister to Amy and Penny is eager for Sheldon and Amy to succeed as a couple.

 

But Penny is in love with Leonard--and has told him so more than once now--and Leonard is in love with her.

And Sheldon is in love with Amy and she with him, even if they aren't as far along as the other couples.

 

There's not going to be a "change partners and dance" moment.

[Guest DroneInTheSun]

 

I couldn't agree more. This is such an such honest observation from an opposing ship. The writers have gone out of their way to discourage shenny and have separated the characters on the show because of the continued interest in them. I also strongly believe that Amy was created for the purpose of drawing a line under shenny forever. Your post is accurate and has been discussed at great length by shennys. 

 

 

I don't think Amy was created to stop the Shenny. Shenny was stopped by L/P from the very beginning. They made that clear with Penny's jealousy towards Priya. Amy's purpose was to see how Sheldon would react to being in a romantic relationship.

 

As for whether or not the writers are purposely stripping the show of S/P scenes, I don't know, but tbh with a bigger cast, things were meant to be lost. You don't see Raj and Howard alone that much anymore. Or maybe Bernadette was created to draw a line under Koothapalitz forever. Who knows?

[Spaced_up]

Do none of you read posts before you reply to them? LOL! No one said there was any intention of putting S/P together! I have always maintained the opposite actually. You all forget, back then there was no shamy!! Most girls who fancied JP, were shenny's. The popularity of shenny caused certain actions by the writers. This is what bangermain's post was about. I was just agreeing with it. 

[phantagrae]

Do none of you read posts before you reply to them? LOL! No one said there was any intention of putting S/P together! I have always maintained the opposite actually. You all forget, back then there was no shamy!! Most girls who fancied JP, were shenny's. The popularity of shenny caused certain actions by the writers. This is what bangermain's post was about. I was just agreeing with it. 

 

I don't think that the popularity of the shenny caused the writers to change anything about how they wrote the show.  They were always putting Leonard and Penny together, whether or not anyone "shipped the shenny".  As I see it, their only reaction was their collective "WTF?" whenver the topic came up.

 

I don't think they brought in Amy to put a stop to the shenny speculation or to prove anything to anyone about where they were going with Penny's character.

Even before the Shamy, there was never any chance that they were going to put Sheldon and Penny together, nor were they creating any sexual tension or romantic tension betweeh S&P.  And the actors have said again and again that they were not playing it in the subtext.

 

I think they might have thrown in a line or two to maybe underscore their point of view, but I don't think they suddenly thought, "Oh no!  People think Penny and Sheldon make a great couple!  We'd better give Sheldon a girlfriend!" or "We better make sure that Leonard and Penny get back together soon!" or whatever.

Edited May 30, 2013 by phantagrae

[Spaced_up]

I don't think that the popularity of the shenny caused the writers to change anything about how they wrote the show.  They were always putting Leonard and Penny together, whether or not anyone "shipped the shenny".  As I see it, their only reaction was their collective "WTF?" whenver the topic came up.

 

I don't think they brought in Amy to put a stop to the shenny speculation or to prove anything to anyone about where they were going with Penny's character.

Even before the Shamy, there was never any chance that they were going to put Sheldon and Penny together, nor were they creating any sexual tension or romantic tension betweeh S&P.  And the actors have said again and again that they were not playing it in the subtext.

 

I think they might have thrown in a line or two to maybe underscore their point of view, but I don't think they suddenly thought, "Oh no!  People think Penny and Sheldon make a great couple!  We'd better give Sheldon a girlfriend!" or "We better make sure that Leonard and Penny get back together soon!" or whatever.

 

Well I see we will not agree, so i'm going to leave it there. 

[Guest DroneInTheSun]

Do none of you read posts before you reply to them? LOL! No one said there was any intention of putting S/P together! I have always maintained the opposite actually. You all forget, back then there was no shamy!! Most girls who fancied JP, were shenny's. The popularity of shenny caused certain actions by the writers. This is what bangermain's post was about. I was just agreeing with it. 

 

Did you even read mine??? I reacted to your "Amy was created to say there would never be any Shenny" which is not true at all. And tbh I don't think writers care what a portion of the public think. Quite the contrary. Lbr, the writers' goal is to make money. They would have made Shenny happen if they paid attention to their audience's desire, not the contrary. I think your affirmation that Amy was here only to stop the unstoppable Shenny quite obnoxious tbh. That's all I was reacting to, in nicer words obviously.

[Nogravitasatall]

Well I see we will not agree, so i'm going to leave it there.

I say it's a tough ship, but its sailed. I just saw The Great Gatsby -pretty awesome- and it's about unrequited love and missed opportunities . I just get no sense from Penny and Sheldon that they have any longing for each other.

So as its sort of like waiting for the Ford Falcon GTHO Phase IV. Nice on paper, never in the showroom. And greatly missed by some.

Eta. I'm sure the car analogy is relatable (lol).

Edited May 30, 2013 by Nogravitasatall

[gaqo]

Oh I see, so the Radettes, can have their fantasies; Raj and Bernadette kissing and dancing, but the 'fictional relationship police' say we can't have what we want! I say Penny suddenly realises, how tall, handsome and intelligent, Sheldon is. She's got him in a black suit, that's quarter way there. She starts to dream, 'has replaced all his films with movies,his books for novels, and helps him grow up, restaurant,kiss, goodnight!'. 

[phantagrae]

Oh I see, so the Radettes, can have their fantasies; Raj and Bernadette kissing and dancing, but the 'fictional relationship police' say we can't have what we want! I say Penny suddenly realises, how tall, handsome and intelligent, Sheldon is. She's got him in a black suit, that's quarter way there. She starts to dream, 'has replaced all his films with movies,his books for novels, and helps him grow up, restaurant,kiss, goodnight!'. 

 

Wha?  Who's fantasizing about Raj and Bernie?  Does that even go on?  If it does, it's no different than the Shenny.  Neither one is going to happen.

[SRAM]

You know if they even considered Shenny, then when Leonard was with Priya, and Penny was alone, would have been an ideal time to do it, but they ignored it and had Penny pine for Leonard, so if the writers didn't even consider Shenny then what makes them think it will happen.

[Nogravitasatall]

Gaqo

Idk about something as speculative as the Shenny. I think everyone enjoys the show differently. I just can't see an organic pathway to it NOW. I suppose discussion is ok, but Shenny needs other ships to suffer, so ita going to be contentious. There's just not enough cake to go around.

[sarah7]

I read a postVD shenny that was very unhealthy. Then I tried to think about how to make it work without causing any harm. I can't see a win/win. After 2 attempts a failed LP would result in the characters requiring professional help, if you allow them any existence as real persons. Penny drank enough when she was in limbo. What she would have to endure to hop onto Sheldon, and for Amy to hop off, is unconscionable TO ME.

but its a free internet,so others can have their say. Just my take.

 

Ah!, their fanfics! I've just read a handful of them, every one a gem. I'll go back to that topic a bit later, ok?

 

Right now I'm fixating in the conspiracy theories against fanon shippers.

 

First of all, I think we all agree here anyone is free to ship whatever they want, I'm, for instance, seriously considering Sheldon/Mrs. Wolowitz right now (hey!, he has even reached second base with her! ), however, let´s try to be as objective as possible and muse about some facts.

 

I honestly don't think there's such thing as some kind of conspiracy to kill an S/P pairing possibility and to shoo away their fans, as Lostinthesun had previously noted, for one simple but very important reason: Money.

 

Let's suppose TPTB are car manufacturers/dealers:

 

Bill: "Hey Chuck, here you have the yearly report. Happens that the compact with the blond dashboard hula girl is a dud, in contrast, the large one with the same blonde dashboard hula girl is this season's hit and our best seller."

Chuck: "Fine, fine, good to know. For next year let's focus in the compact-blonde combo and discontinue the large-blonde combo production and smash every single one we have on store"

Bill: Noted, what about the consumers that are asking more of that and constitute our largest client base?

Chuck: Shut them down, tell them we don't want their money, if possible, ridicule them a bit, we don't want them back, ok?

Bill: "Okey dokey"

 

I mean, (and pardon my French) It doesn't make any fucking sense!

 

I don't doubt the responsibles of TBBT want to create, if not art, at least a good product that gives entertainment to the audience, and thay there are a good amount of love involved, but that doesn't take away the fact this is a business, and business are intended to make money.

 

According to shippers, a potential hook-up between the praying mantis and the waitress meant money in the bank, isn't it? If so, why on earth the producers/writers would want to destroy it? more so, what would they want to destroy something that (according to some other of their theories) they created/nurtured themselves?

 

I think that, with the due respect, as some others had said before in this forum, fanon shippers have the erroneous idea they are a vast majority when, in reality, they are a vocal minority.

 

Because if your pairing were unstoppable for real, five Amys wouldn't had be enough to bury your ship, the show would had sinked long ago (or forced to change its direction) and wouldn't be getting the insane ratings it's getting right now.

 

You fanon shippers keep saying how "horrible" the Shamy and Lenny are, and how little chemistry there are between the canon couples, if that were true, how do you explain the passionate, invested and ever-growing fanbase Shamy has?, and while I've observed Lennys tend to be quieter, I'm pretty sure those millions who had made the ratings go off the roof are pretty much invested in L/P, even if they are not that active in the net, it's quite suspicious that the episodes/seasons that revolve around L/P are precisely the ones that hit the highest ratings, in contrast, I don't know for sure, but I've never got the news an S/P centered episode had ever marked a rating record.

 

I have no doubt the audience also love the interaction between Sheldon and Penny, but as it is, as a comedic/ocassionally antagonic pair, not that they are tuning in in the hope to see them linked romantically.

 

So, IMO, I don't think there's enough evidence to support the theory the TPTB wants viciously to destroy what supposedly would constitute a gold mine for them, there's no rational explanation for that. Because if your influence were that relevant, why don't to bank a bit more on you? Even if they didn't intend for real to change their minds about L/P being endgame, they could tease you endlessly, instead of creating an obstacule (girlfriend) and set them apart, reducing their interactions to a minimum, they would push the characters together, putting them in suggestive situations all the time. Don't you think?

 

And regarding the "Amy was created only to come in the way", I don't think so, her creation and introduction was a very risky and difficult process, sounds like a lot of effort for simple whim. Such a big risk instead of taking advantage of what they already had and supposedly was a big hit?

 

Of course, if believing that makes you people feel better, it's okay, believe anything you want

 

At the end, maybe If any influence you have had in the whole endeavour, is that possibly the insistence in Sheldon having a love-life made them ponder the possibility and lead to the creation of a suitable partner for him, not someone to "come in the way" of something that was never on the table, but someone that would make sense and could become a nice foil for him, so, we got Amy Farrah Fowler.

 

And for that, maybe I can't thank you enough

Edited May 31, 2013 by sarah7