Penny should go out with Sheldon

[BangerMain]

You know if they even considered Shenny, then when Leonard was with Priya, and Penny was alone, would have been an ideal time to do it, but they ignored it and had Penny pine for Leonard, so if the writers didn't even consider Shenny then what makes them think it will happen.

 

The writers have been consistent since day one, they have never considered the Shenny, they were surprised that it existed. In the last couple of seasons you can tell they are more careful about not giving anything that could be misconstrued as Shenny.

[Nogravitasatall]

I never thought of the symmetry. Its like what Sheldon said about Howard's astronaut blatherings when they got disproportionate and then subsided. Maybe it did work that way. Occam.

[ajond]

The writers have been consistent since day one, they have never considered the Shenny, they were surprised that it existed. In the last couple of seasons you can tell they are more careful about not giving anything that could be misconstrued as Shenny.

I'm not so sure. The Shenny went crazy over Penny kissing Sheldon - they ignored Amy kissing him at the same time.

They went even crazier over P saying I love having you in my life and S responding I love you. This was widely construed as a mutual ILY situation. They have been fairly accurately described as delusional haven't they?

[Spaced_up]

You call us a vocal minority to try and insult us but that's not how it was. Prior to Amy, the idea of Sheldon and Penny was a hot topic. It was brought up in interviews, regularly and quite innocently, by reviewers and journalists. Not just the occasional vocal fan. The Internet is littered with examples of articles and videos asking 'will Sheldon get the girl?'. Maybe you can take your argument up with the Internet instead! It's all still there. Bangermain is the only one who sees what happened and I agree with him even if we do have different feelings on the subject.

 

@ sarah7

I suppose you were about to attack my ff. I don't know what's wrong with you people. It's not enough that your ship is canon. You already have everything you want on the show. But, you have to destroy everyone else's fun. I'm glad I'm a shenny, I'd never want to be like any of you.

[Nogravitasatall]

Avoid Speckerman.

[Razberrypie]

If you post a minority opinion on a forum you'd expect to be challenged but when it comes to ships we're all extremely protective, even when what we have is canon.  When people start saying this or that should happen, it can get people angry to the point where you'd think they actually believe that person with the opposite opinion has the power to change the direction of the show. I know this because I've done stupid and petty things as a result of being made angry by strong opposing opinions too, it's weird, I'm sure shipping wars could give psychologists a good run for their money. If a shamy or a lenny wondered onto a forum full of shennys and gave their opinion they'd probably be treated in a similar way.

 

Don't take it personally spaced_up and I'm sorry that you haven't had a very good time here. As you know, the internet is like a whole new world where people vent about their most extreme passions that they've had to keep bottled up in real life. It may look stupid to other people but for us it's some serious stuff. I wish we could all get along but when we try to fight against something that people feel that strongly about, it ain't gonna be pretty and that's the unfortunate truth. It happens to the best of us.

 

 People who generalize and call all shenny shippers such as yourself delusional are incorrect, because they're looking at a select few individuals and applying it to the whole group. The same also goes to those who also say all shamys and lennys are hostile party poopers because most of them are all very lovely people, which applies to most people generally on the forum in real life too...

 

...Dammit Fiction, what are you doing to us!? 

Edited May 31, 2013 by Razberrypie

[menamena]

BTW, before AFF came in - I thought if they had to pair Sheldon with any girl from the show, it would be Leslie Winkle not Penny. Though I never saw Sheldon-Leslie as a long-term relationship but more like a short antagonistic passionate fling-type thing, especially after she sort of turned into a villain with her romance with Howard. Anyways, today I came across an old interview with Jim Parsons and he sort of says the same:

 

Kristin Dos Santos of E! Online recently asked the actor behind the hilarious Sheldon, Jim Parsons, and he responded, "I think we have a couple of more seasons to go before we'll see [sheldon in love]. No matter how much I beg and plead, there's never any love in that way. I always thought that with Sheldon and Sara Gilbert's character, Leslie Winkle, the passion would have to burn hot. The hate does, so why wouldn't the love? But I don't think that's going to happen. I've said that out loud on the set and nobody takes me up on it."

Link: http://www.tvfanatic.com/2009/03/the-big-bang-theory-spoilers-sheldon-in-a-relationship/#ixzz2UszlX1bU

 

But anyways, the show never went that route - AFF entered and then Shamy happened. In hindsight, I have to say I am so glad that we got the Shamy instead and I am sure Jim Parsons feels the same. He seems to be a huge Shamy shipper. I also kind of wonder how Amy and Leslie would get along if Leslie ever made a guest appearance.

Edited May 31, 2013 by menamena

[gaqo]

In sit coms, as they run out of possibilities, they often pair up different characters, just because they can, and it's fun. They often use fantasy/dream sequences. Raj even gets to have a sequence with a Phone App!!!

[phantagrae]

In sit coms, as they run out of possibilities, they often pair up different characters, just because they can, and it's fun. They often use fantasy/dream sequences. Raj even gets to have a sequence with a Phone App!!!

 

I don't think they'll ever run out of that many ideas, certainly not so far as the Lenny and the Shamy are concerned.  Nor the Howardette.

[sarah7]

 

You call us a vocal minority to try and insult us but that's not how it was. Prior to Amy, the idea of Sheldon and Penny was a hot topic. It was brought up in interviews, regularly and quite innocently, by reviewers and journalists. Not just the occasional vocal fan. The Internet is littered with examples of articles and videos asking 'will Sheldon get the girl?'. Maybe you can take your argument up with the Internet instead! It's all still there. Bangermain is the only one who sees what happened and I agree with him even if we do have different feelings on the subject.

 

@ sarah7

I suppose you were about to attack my ff. I don't know what's wrong with you people. It's not enough that your ship is canon. You already have everything you want on the show. But, you have to destroy everyone else's fun. I'm glad I'm a shenny, I'd never want to be like any of you.

 

 

Not every opposing opinion is an insult, but you seem to take as one everytime someone contradicts one of your points.

 

You come and freely post your conspiracy theories about TPTB doing everything in their hands and creating characters out of the blue to kill their moneymaker just for some supposed hidden hate they have for you and your ship, I come and also freely post my own opinion about how I don't think such moneymaker was that big for real, because it would have been ridiculous (and perhaps impossible) to try to destroy it, and you get all worked up.

 

I've read my own post all along and I don't think I included any insult or name-calling to you, to call you and your friends a "vocal minority" is not an insult, it's just what actual evidence seems to point at, but if you prefer, I can call you all a "silent majority", hey, it's a perfectly valid possibility too!

 

If you can't take a difference of opinions without feeling attacked, then why bother? do you come and post here in order to exchange points of view, or just expecting to be pitied because your ship is not canon and ours are?

 

And oh, please, now don't take this as a rude invitation to the door, nobody is telling you to stop posting, but this is a neutral place, and if you post an opinion in such a diverse place, be ready to receive all kinds of responses, or do you prefer to be ignored at all? I find that even more disrespectful, like saying you don't exist or that you are so irrelevant there's no use in wasting time in you.

 

And to end with a high note, you come and say "I don't want to be like any of you", in such a "we are cool and the good ones and you are all baddies" tone (because, of course, none of your shipper friends ever attack anyone) Way to be tolerant and respectful!

[Nogravitasatall]

In sit coms, as they run out of possibilities, they often pair up different characters, just because they can, and it's fun. They often use fantasy/dream sequences. Raj even gets to have a sequence with a Phone App!!!

hey Gaqo, that was just so they could play the joke that even on his dream he couldn't talk to women. Now that he may be able to they won't play that kind of joke again. Perhaps they could run a dream sequence for an alternate universe where they swap partners but it would only be a gag.

Its also worth noting that LP are the only set where they play AGAINST type. The other two pairings are fairly normal, within their parameters. AND, Amy would make a great girlfriend for her own reasons. Topologically, she is identical to Penny and she and Sheldon have more in common, which is one of the arguments against LP, that is also an argument against SP.

And imo, any argument that uses attractiveness alone as the basis for maintaining a long running relationship is suspect, because while attractiveness helps make the initial connection, there have to be other factors. The LP relationship has demonstrated that these other factors exist, while the SP never has, as documented by Bangermain upthread.

So again I conclude that Shenny, while possible once is highly improbable now. And, regretfully, this is the wrong franchise for a "one in a million" chance to be a certainty. The place for that is Anhk-Moorpork on the Discworld.

Edited June 1, 2013 by Nogravitasatall

[Moonbase]

Not every opposing opinion is an insult, but you seem to take as one everytime someone contradicts one of your points.

 

You come and freely post your conspiracy theories about TPTB doing everything in their hands and creating characters out of the blue to kill their moneymaker just for some supposed hidden hate they have for you and your ship, I come and also freely post my own opinion about how I don't think such moneymaker was that big for real, because it would have been ridiculous (and perhaps impossible) to try to destroy it, and you get all worked up.

 

I've read my own post all along and I don't think I included any insult or name-calling to you, to call you and your friends a "vocal minority" is not an insult, it's just what actual evidence seems to point at, but if you prefer, I can call you all a "silent majority", hey, it's a perfectly valid possibility too!

 

If you can't take a difference of opinions without feeling attacked, then why bother? do you come and post here in order to exchange points of view, or just expecting to be pitied because your ship is not canon and ours are?

 

And oh, please, now don't take this as a rude invitation to the door, nobody is telling you to stop posting, but this is a neutral place, and if you post an opinion in such a diverse place, be ready to receive all kinds of responses, or do you prefer to be ignored at all? I find that even more disrespectful, like saying you don't exist or that you are so irrelevant there's no use in wasting time in you.

 

And to end with a high note, you come and say "I don't want to be like any of you", in such a "we are cool and the good ones and you are all baddies" tone (because, of course, none of your shipper friends ever attack anyone) Way to be tolerant and respectful!

 

What was the swearing and patronising script between Bill and Chuck about then? When I first started watching shenny seemed to be the ship of choice for most females. At least give them that. Their ship has sunk and from what I read Spaced_up never tried to say otherwise.

[gaqo]

YYYYYYYLPAAAAAAAAAHBWWWWWWR?NNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!(and I used to be articulate!).

[rickfromillinois]

The writers have said that they don't think that having Penny and Sheldon get together will ever happen.  The creater of the shows has said that it will never happen.  The actors have not only said that they don't think it is a good idea, some of them have even voiced opinions that they believe it is disgusting.   A vast majority of people have said that they don't think it is a good idea and many, myself including, have stated that if it ever happens they would find it so distasteful that they would stop watching the show.   So why in the world would TPTB ever put Sheldon and Penny together knowing how many people would be against it and with the knowledge that it very well might mean the end of the show?  Maybe it's time for a reality check.

[gaqo]

With HB,LP,R?, all heading for Boring(a suburb of Pasadena). It only leaves one option; a new show, revolving around S,A,P. (P soon gets bored of L).

[Moonbase]

The writers have said that they don't think that having Penny and Sheldon get together will ever happen.  The creater of the shows has said that it will never happen.  The actors have not only said that they don't think it is a good idea, some of them have even voiced opinions that they believe it is disgusting.   A vast majority of people have said that they don't think it is a good idea and many, myself including, have stated that if it ever happens they would find it so distasteful that they would stop watching the show.   So why in the world would TPTB ever put Sheldon and Penny together knowing how many people would be against it and with the knowledge that it very well might mean the end of the show?  Maybe it's time for a reality check.

Hold on one cotton picking minute. You spent all last year telling this forum repetitively that Leonard should dump Penny and go back with Priya. We all like different pairings. You have always maintained that she was better for him all round. What if Priya returns? Would you care if S/p hooked up then?

[gaqo]

(not aimed at you Moonbase, general statemant) Of course Penny wont go out with Sheldon, the question was 'should she?'. Those that liked the idea, were basing it on the charisma that these two exude, which eclipses the rest of the cast. It's a fun fantasy for those of us who aren't blinkered neo-conservatives. In the real world, people fantasize about all sorts of things, including; pairings between others, and with others. As long as one can distinguish between fantasy and reality, it's harmless! And this whole show, and topic, is a fantasy. So give us a break! What did Stuart say about 'shooting nerds in a barrel!'.

Edited June 1, 2013 by gaqo

[SRAM]

With HB,LP,R?, all heading for Boring(a suburb of Pasadena). It only leaves one option; a new show, revolving around S,A,P. (P soon gets bored of L).

 

You got it a little wrong, S/A is boring and weird.  Thier slow progress together would turn viewers off and any fast progress would ruin the Sheldon character, which would also turn viewers off.  An I would like you to explain how Sheldon could be more exciting than Leonard.  The science stuff and the real geeking stuff is what is boring to Penny, which Sheldon is more involved in than Leonard.  Plus, I can't picture Penny getting on the floor and playing with trains with Sheldon.  Everyone needs to remember, Sheldon did have a date with Penny, after her and Leonard broke up, she had him over for dinner and there was nothing romantic between them, no chemistry.

[BangerMain]

In sit coms, as they run out of possibilities, they often pair up different characters, just because they can, and it's fun. They often use fantasy/dream sequences. Raj even gets to have a sequence with a Phone App!!!

Let's see.

 

When is the last time you saw a top-ranked sitcom where the primary canon couple ended up divorced or separated?

 

Even "Friends" which was totally about relationships (which TBBT is not) only made temporary swaps for Ross and Rachel and those two never had a bond as tight as Leonard and Penny's in season 6.

Edited June 1, 2013 by BangerMain

[phantagrae]

(not aimed at you Moonbase, general statemant) Of course Penny wont go out with Sheldon, the question was 'should she?'. Those that liked the idea, were basing it on the charisma that these two exude, which eclipses the rest of the cast. It's a fun fantasy for those of us who aren't blinkered neo-conservatives. In the real world, people fantasize about all sorts of things, including; pairings between others, and with others. As long as one can distinguish between fantasy and reality, it's harmless! And this whole show, and topic, is a fantasy. So give us a break! What did Stuart say about 'shooting nerds in a barrel!'.

 

I think the title of this thread should have been "I WISH Penny and Sheldon would go out" since there's no real "should" about it.

 

And what's this crap about "blinkered neo-conservatives"????

Yeah, in the "real" world people fantasize about all sorts of things, including completely unrealistic things, like Howard fantasizing about that Battlestar Galactica chick sitting in his bathtub.  Just as unrealistic an idea as Sheldon and Penny being any kind of romantic couple.

 

And I don't think Sheldon and Penny exude some kind of eclipsing charisma.  I think they play well off of each other as antagonists, but not as romantic partners.  I've never understood what it is that people see as any kind of romantic "sparks" between these too.  Just because they're occasionally nice to each other (and that's more rare than them squabbling or picking on each other) doesn't mean that there's any romantic chemistry.

 

If they were to go out on a date, it wouldn't end in romance.  It would be him telling her how dumb she is or she telling him how weird he is, or them boring each other to death because they don't have anything in common.

[Moonbase]

I think the title of this thread should have been "I WISH Penny and Sheldon would go out" since there's no real "should" about it.

 

And what's this crap about "blinkered neo-conservatives"????

Yeah, in the "real" world people fantasize about all sorts of things, including completely unrealistic things, like Howard fantasizing about that Battlestar Galactica chick sitting in his bathtub.  Just as unrealistic an idea as Sheldon and Penny being any kind of romantic couple.

 

And I don't think Sheldon and Penny exude some kind of eclipsing charisma.  I think they play well off of each other as antagonists, but not as romantic partners.  I've never understood what it is that people see as any kind of romantic "sparks" between these too.  Just because they're occasionally nice to each other (and that's more rare than them squabbling or picking on each other) doesn't mean that there's any romantic chemistry.

 

If they were to go out on a date, it wouldn't end in romance.  It would be him telling her how dumb she is or she telling him how weird he is, or them boring each other to death because they don't have anything in common.

 

Funny but I've never found Sheldon and Penny scenes boring. The potential was there but the writers have gone so far with Lenny and Shamy they would be hard pushed to change course now.

[wannamaker]

I think the title of this thread should have been "I WISH Penny and Sheldon would go out" since there's no real "should" about it.

 

And what's this crap about "blinkered neo-conservatives"????

Yeah, in the "real" world people fantasize about all sorts of things, including completely unrealistic things, like Howard fantasizing about that Battlestar Galactica chick sitting in his bathtub.  Just as unrealistic an idea as Sheldon and Penny being any kind of romantic couple.

 

And I don't think Sheldon and Penny exude some kind of eclipsing charisma.  I think they play well off of each other as antagonists, but not as romantic partners.  I've never understood what it is that people see as any kind of romantic "sparks" between these too.  Just because they're occasionally nice to each other (and that's more rare than them squabbling or picking on each other) doesn't mean that there's any romantic chemistry.

 

If they were to go out on a date, it wouldn't end in romance.  It would be him telling her how dumb she is or she telling him how weird he is, or them boring each other to death because they don't have anything in common.

 

You are right on that I think. It sounds a bit imperative to me too.

[gaqo]

You got it a little wrong, S/A is boring and weird.  Thier slow progress together would turn viewers off and any fast progress would ruin the Sheldon character, which would also turn viewers off.  An I would like you to explain how Sheldon could be more exciting than Leonard.  The science stuff and the real geeking stuff is what is boring to Penny, which Sheldon is more involved in than Leonard.  Plus, I can't picture Penny getting on the floor and playing with trains with Sheldon.  Everyone needs to remember, Sheldon did have a date with Penny, after her and Leonard broke up, she had him over for dinner and there was nothing romantic between them, no chemistry.

Yes I think you either get the Sheldon and Penny exude charisma thing, or you don't. I personally only find S,P and A, interesting. The 'comic' and 'straight' are a standard formula for comedies. All the rest of the cast are 'straights' to me. They just make the main characters more funny by reacting to them. Of course there's no sexual chemistry between S & P. Sheldon is a non-sexual being,( I can't imagine Sheldon having sex, he'd have to wear a biological warfare suit). Penny is a sexual being, who is questioning whether that has been the sole basis of her past relationships. L is a transition relationship for her, until she finds what she really needs. The whole thing is a fantasy, created purely for comedy's sake! 

[sarah7]

What was the swearing and patronising script between Bill and Chuck about then? When I first started watching shenny seemed to be the ship of choice for most females. At least give them that. Their ship has sunk and from what I read Spaced_up never tried to say otherwise.

 

The "swearing" was just one rude word, and it was not directed to her or to anyone in particular.. However, if she of anyone else felt offended by my use of it, I apologize.

And I'm aware some of my posts could perhaps come across as a bit strong-worded, but I can say the intention has never been to be mean just for the sake of it.

 

What I don't really get is the current trend of asking for them "special treatment", if they are a bunch or just a few, they are a portion of the fanbase like any other. While I agree nobody has the right to viciously attack them, I neither see why we should be specially careful with them, just because their ship seems to be not happening? Well, those are the risks we have to face when we ship non-canon (and sometimes even canon). Am I not entitled to say "I think your theory makes no sense", or to say I've read some lousy fics on their pairing (as there are lousy fics about any other pairing) because I'm being disrespectful of their much suffering?

 

Leaving aside the fact that some of the most hurtful and ill-spirited comments against the show, other shippers and actors I've ever read (not only here, but in Tumblr and other sites) had come from some of them, even in their nicer form, they go around posting how above everything else their preferred ship is and how conformists are canon-shippers for liking their boring pairings and awful characters, in a clear form of passive-agression, and they expect to find no opposition? I mean, of course they are in all their right to feel that way and to say it, but they also must be prepared to face the backlash. Because if they say "A and B have no romantic chemistry at all" (a totally subjective opinion) is okay, but if we say the same about A and C (another totally subjective opinion), we are being a killjoy and taking away anything they have left?

Edited June 2, 2013 by sarah7

[Tensor]

 

And what's this crap about "blinkered neo-conservatives"????

Yeah, in the "real" world people fantasize about all sorts of things, including completely unrealistic things, like Howard fantasizing about that Battlestar Galactica chick sitting in his bathtub.  Just as unrealistic an idea as Sheldon and Penny being any kind of romantic couple.

 

And I don't think Sheldon and Penny exude some kind of eclipsing charisma.  I think they play well off of each other as antagonists, but not as romantic partners.  I've never understood what it is that people see as any kind of romantic "sparks" between these too.  Just because they're occasionally nice to each other (and that's more rare than them squabbling or picking on each other) doesn't mean that there's any romantic chemistry.

I find the comment about "blinkered neoconservatives" to be hilarious and highly ironic. Most(note most, not all) tend to pick their conclusions, then look for evidence to support their contentions. And. if the evidence doesn't fit, make it up. And don't forget the part where you claim to be persecuted, if you can't produce the evidence to support your claims, and the lack of evidence is pointed out.

Whenever I've asked someone who ships Shenny, for some kind of evidence to support their claims, I get one of the above reactions, which neoconservatives tend to use. I point out the holes in Shenny claims on a regular basis, but that comes from my astrophysical work. Having to have evidence before claiming something. Not to mention I'm the token liberal among my neighbors. So all in all, at least I got a chuckle out of that statement.