Penny should go out with Sheldon

[Oldnavy]

I find the comment about "blinkered neoconservatives" to be hilarious and highly ironic. Most(note most, not all) tend to pick their conclusions, then look for evidence to support their contentions. And. if the evidence doesn't fit, make it up. And don't forget the part where you claim to be persecuted, if you can't produce the evidence to support your claims, and the lack of evidence is pointed out.

Whenever I've asked someone who ships Shenny, for some kind of evidence to support their claims, I get one of the above reactions, which neoconservatives tend to use. I point out the holes in Shenny claims on a regular basis, but that comes from my astrophysical work. Having to have evidence before claiming something. Not to mention I'm the token liberal among my neighbors. So all in all, at least I got a chuckle out of that statement.

Forgive my ignorance, but what is blinkered neo-conservatives?

[BangerMain]

Penny is a sexual being, who is questioning whether that has been the sole basis of her past relationships. L is a transition relationship for her, until she finds what she really needs.

 

In what episode was this stated?

[Spaced_up]

Whenever I've asked someone who ships Shenny, for some kind of evidence to support their claims, I get one of the above reactions,

 

For me, there were many scenes between S/P which demonstrated potential. These two interacted more in S1-3 than Leonard and Penny did. They did more together. Yes, they fought a lot but they also helped each other, in their own bizarre way. I liked this. This is not evidence, because there is no evidence. Nothing was ever realized and nothing was ever implied.

[Tensor]

For me, there were many scenes between S/P which demonstrated potential. These two interacted more in S1-3 than Leonard and Penny did. They did more together. Yes, they fought a lot but they also helped each other, in their own bizarre way. I liked this. This is not evidence, because there is no evidence. Nothing was ever realized and nothing was ever implied.

My problem isn't so much with those who want to ship Shenny. My problem is with those who claim something specific, and then they can't show any evidence to support it. Or those whose evidence is demonstrably wrong. I've used it before, but it's a great example. A Shenny made the claim about a scene in 6x02, The Decoupling Fluctuation. Their claim was that at the beginning of the episode, when the girls are sitting around talking, Penny gets up an leaves when Amy makes her comment about having a four year plan to marry Sheldon. According to the Sheeny, Penny got up to leave, because she couldn't stand the idea of Amy marrying Sheldon and it was all right there, you just had to watch the scene. If you watch the scene, Penny is up and into the kitchen before Amy makes the statement. I'm sorry, but that claim is simply silly and foolish.

I happen to like the Sheldon-Penny interactions because, to me, they fight and help each other, much like siblings do. But, if someone makes a specific claim for a Sheldon-Penny romance, I'm gonna ask for specifics. If they can't provide the evidence, then to try to base a relationship on something that is not there or demonstrably wrong, is simply foolish and will get called out.

[phantagrae]

In what episode was this stated?

Exactly. There have been claims that Leonard is a transitional person for Penny and that Amy is a transitional person for Sheldon.

But there's no evidence to support such claims, other than the wishful thinking of those who can't accept what's really going on.

I remember hearing that someone claimed that Sheldon's love of the bluejay was some kind of symbolic hint that he was in love with Penny because she had some kind of bird decoration in her apartment, that the bird represented Penny...

I just saw the S1 finale where Penny is trying to decide whether or not to go out with Leonard and she says that maybe someone like Leonard was what she needed, as opposed t the jerks she'd been going out with. This is a sentiment she expresses again in the 6th season, when she's trying to figure out what kind of love she has for Leonard.

What she has learned is that love isn't about whatever cheap thrills she was getting from her previous relationships and she's now growing up and understanding what real love is about--and that she's in love with Leonard.

There's no more transition to be made.

As for Sheldon and Amy, as he admitted as early as the Zazzy episode, she's more suited to him than anyone else. And that includes Penny. Amy is more suited to him than Penny.

There's no more transition to be made beyond their continued progress.

[Nogravitasatall]

... And there is no need to attempt anything because they have the commercial success for which they have strived. There is no imperative to change the core formula.

So regretfully its as dead as.

[Slicknickshady]

This thread has got even more hilarious since i last posted in it. Funny.

[gaqo]

It's just a fantasy, within a constructed fantasy. BNC's talk of 'canons', where Romantics fantasize about other possibilities!

[djvang]

I think the title of this thread should have been "I WISH Penny and Sheldon would go out" since there's no real "should" about it.

 

And what's this crap about "blinkered neo-conservatives"????

Yeah, in the "real" world people fantasize about all sorts of things, including completely unrealistic things, like Howard fantasizing about that Battlestar Galactica chick sitting in his bathtub.  Just as unrealistic an idea as Sheldon and Penny being any kind of romantic couple.

 

And I don't think Sheldon and Penny exude some kind of eclipsing charisma.  I think they play well off of each other as antagonists, but not as romantic partners.  I've never understood what it is that people see as any kind of romantic "sparks" between these too.  Just because they're occasionally nice to each other (and that's more rare than them squabbling or picking on each other) doesn't mean that there's any romantic chemistry.

 

If they were to go out on a date, it wouldn't end in romance.  It would be him telling her how dumb she is or she telling him how weird he is, or them boring each other to death because they don't have anything in common.

 

I competely agree.

[Tensor]

It's just a fantasy, within a constructed fantasy. BNC's talk of 'canons', where Romantics fantasize about other possibilities!

I like how you have to throw out made up terms, because you don't have evidence. Shenny s have to fantasize, because there is no evidence to support the other possibilities they believe in. And canon is how the "constructed fantasy" is constructed and remains internally consistent. Calling those who speak of canon silly names, because there's no evidence for Shenny, is just foolish. It's akin to calling someone, who objects to ending "The Hobbit" by allowing Bilbo to kill Smaug with a machine gun or killing Superman with a lead pipe in the Ballroom, silly names because those options aren't part of those stories.

[Slicknickshady]

Ohhh I loooved the pilot! Sheldon was checking her out but he wasn't that interested in having her around as a permanent fixture. This is a girl who is used to wrapping guys round her little finger. I found it thrilling that Sheldon wasn't the same. I was sure they were taking it somewhere. Unfortunately they didn't and the story they chose was with Leonard, another guy drawn to her by her appearance. Ah well.

 

Panki lets take it to the shenny thread, these conversations tend to go round in circles. I want to post a cute video   

 

Sheldon has never checked out Penny.

[gaqo]

The fact remains, TBBT is a fantasy, and if some people want to interpret it in their own way, or create their own fantasies involving the characters, then they have every right to do so. Only a BNC would attempt to control what other people think, or say. We all know that Penny would only be able to go out with Sheldon, 'in her dreams'!

[Zhalen565]

The fact remains, TBBT is a fantasy, and if some people want to interpret it in their own way, or create their own fantasies involving the characters, then they have every right to do so. Only a BNC would attempt to control what other people think, or say. We all know that Penny would only be able to go out with Sheldon, 'in her dreams'!

More like her nightmares.

[phantagrae]

The fact remains, TBBT is a fantasy, and if some people want to interpret it in their own way, or create their own fantasies involving the characters, then they have every right to do so. Only a BNC would attempt to control what other people think, or say. We all know that Penny would only be able to go out with Sheldon, 'in her dreams'!

 

No one is trying to control what anyone thinks--and the whole "BNC" thing is such a stupid artificial attempt at name-calling that you only make your cause worse by continuing to use it--we're just pointing out the fallacy in the argument that Penny SHOULD go out with Sheldon or that S & P have "better" or "more" chemistry together or all these other attempts to prove that the Shenny is a better pairing than the Lenny or the Shamy.

 

Of course you all can fantasize all you want, but there's nothing on the show to support your fantasy.

Edited June 3, 2013 by phantagrae

[Martin Pollard]

Pardon my blonde moment, but what does BNC stand for? If I'm going to be insulted, I'd like to know why.

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Edited June 3, 2013 by MJPollard

[gaqo]

Like I said, people have a right to; think, say, and fantasize about whatever they want. It appears to me that some members of this forum think they have the right to bully other members, into sticking within their own 'blinkered' and 'neo-conservative' way of thinking. You Don't!

Edited June 3, 2013 by gaqo

[Tensor]

The fact remains, TBBT is a fantasy, and if some people want to interpret it in their own way, or create their own fantasies involving the characters, then they have every right to do so.

You mean like Penny's family is actually from Texas and owns a wealthy oil company. Howard and his mother have been getting money from his father all along and Howard's just been trying to hide it. Leonard is actually working for the CIA to prevent any secrets from being given away by Sheldon who is actually a spy for China (They've promised him to get Firefly back on television). Of course all this is silly, much like the Sheldon-Penny romantic pairing.

Of course you have every right to create your own fantasies. Of course we have the right to point out that your fantasies don't match what's actually happened in the show.

Only a BNC would attempt to control what other people think, or say.

You mean like you want to control what others say about the idea of a romantic Penny-Sheldon pairing? So, I guess that makes you a BNC, right? Only fools believe you can control what others says on an internet forum. Unless, of course, you're the administrator. Which none of us involved in this conversation are.

 

We all know that Penny would only be able to go out with Sheldon, 'in her dreams'!

You mean the woman who told Sheldon "he is so not the guy"?

[Tensor]

Like I said, people have a right to; think, say, and fantasize about whatever they want. It appears to me that some members of this forum think they have the right to bully other members, into sticking within their own 'blinkered' and 'neo-conservative' way of thinking. You Don't!

We have the right, just as you do, to say what we want, within the rules of the board. Can you point out why you think it wrong for us to say what we think here, when you want the right to say what you think here? You're being hypocritical if you think we shouldn't say what we think about a Sheldon-Penny pairing, if you want to be able to say what you want about that same pairing.

[I.Am.Molly]

This thread is funny. Honestly, I will never understand where these Shennys are coming from when they allude to Sheldon and Penny somehow being made for each other, and having their chance at being together, hindered by Leonard and Amy. For lack of a better word, I find the mere idea of those two being together rather icky.

Don't get me wrong, I adore the Penny and Sheldon friendship, in fact, some of my favourite episodes are those centred around them, like the one where he looks after her after she falls in the bathtub. It's adorable, but that's all.

It really baffles me how people can interpret certain looks or actions and make them out to be much more than they are, or were ever intended to be.

Before I headed into the world of Big Bang Theory fandom and was nothing more than a casual lover of the show, the thought of those two together like that, never crossed my mind, and I'm pretty certain it hasn't crossed the minds of the general public that watch the show either. I was gobsmacked when I first saw that people actually shipped them as a couple. No offence to those people, btw, i'm just saying, i've tried, but I have never been able to see your side of it. I would see Penny with Howard before I see her with Sheldon. Hell, i'd see her with AMY, before I see her with Sheldon. It's just yucky.

Molly

Edited June 3, 2013 by I.Am.Molly

[phantagrae]

Pardon my blonde moment, but what does BNC stand for? If I'm going to be insulted, I'd like to know why.

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"Blinkered Neo-Conservatives"

 

Because when one watches what's actually portrayed on the show and enjoys it, apparenlty one is somehow less "imaginative" than those who make up random fantasies that have no basis on anything real.

[Nogravitasatall]

@mjpollard

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"Blinkered Neo-Conservatives"

Because when one watches what's actually portrayed on the show and enjoys it, apparenlty one is somehow less "imaginative" than those who make up random fantasies that have no basis on anything real.

And on behalf of all blondes... What can I say? I have two blondes in my household, only one of them has moments. Lol. I'm going ash blonde too, slowly, but my moments pre-date that. I'm not too fussed about any BNCs here as long as there are no conflicts with an NBC (not the broadcaster) component. And this is my senior's moment.

I will say, as one easily suggestible, that fanfics get in one's head. Like beliefs about absence of climate change, coexistence with dinosaurs, really young age of the earth and other stuff based on fanfic. But I'm not sure if this observation helps gaqo's argument.

And there is a thing called a false majority, where you get a constrained range of inputs and your cohort confirm your beliefs. I think it might be described as " living in the bubble". Maybe gaqo is alluding to that.

AND I can't see any chance of a Shenny in this timeline, and maybe some others.

Edited June 3, 2013 by Nogravitasatall

[gaqo]

I like how you have to throw out made up terms, because you don't have evidence. Shenny s have to fantasize, because there is no evidence to support the other possibilities they believe in. And canon is how the "constructed fantasy" is constructed and remains internally consistent. Calling those who speak of canon silly names, because there's no evidence for Shenny, is just foolish. It's akin to calling someone, who objects to ending "The Hobbit" by allowing Bilbo to kill Smaug with a machine gun or killing Superman with a lead pipe in the Ballroom, silly names because those options aren't part of those stories.

If this is the sort of argument, you're going to put forward, then why have you used a picture of your grandad, as your avatar? 

[gaqo]

"Blinkered Neo-Conservatives"

 

Because when one watches what's actually portrayed on the show and enjoys it, apparenlty one is somehow less "imaginative" than those who make up random fantasies that have no basis on anything real.

You're obviously my nemisis. I wondered where you were hiding on the planet! All I'm saying is the whole thing is a fantasy, so how can it be wrong for some people to interject their own fantasies. Yes the show is one thing, but how we interpret it, how we use our imaginations, blah,blah,blah!!!!

[Tensor]

If this is the sort of argument, you're going to put forward, then why have you used a picture of your grandad, as your avatar?

I notice the only refutation you provided was to name call.

Your search and reading skills are obviously at below grade school level, as it states quite plainly in my profile that I'm 57. My grandfather is dead and has been for 40 years on my mother's side and 60 years on my father's side.

[phantagrae]

You're obviously my nemisis. I wondered where you were hiding on the planet! All I'm saying is the whole thing is a fantasy, so how can it be wrong for some people to interject their own fantasies. Yes the show is one thing, but how we interpret it, how we use our imaginations, blah,blah,blah!!!!

 

It's not that it's wrong to fantasize, but you insist that those who don't indulge in such off-canon fantasies are somehow inferior to you--as you insist on name-calling (BNC) and all that.  We all use our imaginations.  Those of use who like the canon couples don't have any less imagination or fantasy about the show.