Penny should go out with Sheldon

[rickfromillinois]

So if someone thinks that the whole "Shenny" idea is ludicrous it must be a lack of imagination, intelligence, or education on their part?  Perhaps the vocal minority that are entranced with the whole idea should consider that they are the ones who might be out of touch with reality.   The writers, producers, and even the actors have not only said that it will not happen but some have gone so far as to state that it is a bad idea and some have even gone so far as to declare the idea "disgusting".   Ever consider that if you have to demand that you have a "safe" thread where you can go to post your "dream couplings" without worry of someone criticizing and even laughing at your brillant thinking then just perhaps your ideas might just be rediculous?   In case you are wondering, let me clear it up for you, it's a ludicours idea.

[Ar Diem]

So if someone thinks that the whole "Shenny" idea is ludicrous it must be a lack of imagination, intelligence, or education on their part?  Perhaps the vocal minority that are entranced with the whole idea should consider that they are the ones who might be out of touch with reality.   The writers, producers, and even the actors have not only said that it will not happen but some have gone so far as to state that it is a bad idea and some have even gone so far as to declare the idea "disgusting".   Ever consider that if you have to demand that you have a "safe" thread where you can go to post your "dream couplings" without worry of someone criticizing and even laughing at your brillant thinking then just perhaps your ideas might just be rediculous?   In case you are wondering, let me clear it up for you, it's a ludicours idea.

 

 

Just agree to disagree and move on.  All you are doing is trading insults now and you are doing it about a TV show.

[gaqo]

What is bizarre, is that this thread, seems to get this site buzzing! And however much I tried recently, to shift it away from the original proposition, or open the debate up to anything, more meaningful. People seem to want to return to the same unresolvable debate. Someone academic should study this thread, and work out just why that is. Maybe people just like taking sides in an unresolvable debate. Is arguing innate?

Edited June 26, 2013 by gaqo

[rickfromillinois]

What is bizarre, is that this thread, seems to get this site buzzing! And however much I tried recently, to shift it away from the original proposition, or open the debate up to anything, more meaningful. People seem to want to return to the same unresolvable debate. Someone academic should study this thread, and work out just why that is. Maybe people just like taking sides in an unresolvable debate. Is arguing innate?

Why would you feel the need to shift the discussion away from the original proposition or open the debate up to anthing "more meaningful"?   If you don't like the topic of the discussion why not start a new thread?  

[annieogly]

What is bizarre, is that this thread, seems to get this site buzzing! And however much I tried recently, to shift it away from the original proposition, or open the debate up to anything, more meaningful. People seem to want to return to the same unresolvable debate. Someone academic should study this thread, and work out just why that is. Maybe people just like taking sides in an unresolvable debate. Is arguing innate?

 

Hmm I think we need a psychoanalyst not an academic (maybe some people see themselves as the plain Leonard or plain Amy and see the couplings as the only time the plain person gets the top/boy/girl) , which is why I'd adore Beverly to come. If it were just arguing well I miss old sleazy single Howard and would love for his marriage to crash and burn, others love H/B and argue against it but not with the outright burning indignation of the anti-Shennys it's a weird thing to behold!

[Lionne]

when posts are verbose, I tend to tune out. It's like a chore trying to find the content.

 

Seriously?

 

You've been repeatedly posting, even double-posting, on a text-based discussion forum which is literally almost nothing but words, and you're going to throw out a complaint about having to read too much? 

 

I mean...seriously?

Edited June 27, 2013 by Lionne

[Guest DroneInTheSun]

Hmm I think we need a psychoanalyst not an academic (maybe some people see themselves as the plain Leonard or plain Amy and see the couplings as the only time the plain person gets the top/boy/girl) , which is why I'd adore Beverly to come. If it were just arguing well I miss old sleazy single Howard and would love for his marriage to crash and burn, others love H/B and argue against it but not with the outright burning indignation of the anti-Shennys it's a weird thing to behold!

 

Except that there is more to relationships than physical appearances and that literally no one who ships them cares about those characters' physical appearance. It's "anti-shippers" I keep seeing talking about "plain Amy getting sexy Sheldon" (and LMAO because Sheldon isn't sexy, not even close). Maybe you should stop pretending to be able to psychoanalyse people you're never even going to meet just based on what their preferred fictional relationship is. Just an idea.

[rickfromillinois]

Hmm I think we need a psychoanalyst not an academic (maybe some people see themselves as the plain Leonard or plain Amy and see the couplings as the only time the plain person gets the top/boy/girl) , which is why I'd adore Beverly to come. If it were just arguing well I miss old sleazy single Howard and would love for his marriage to crash and burn, others love H/B and argue against it but not with the outright burning indignation of the anti-Shennys it's a weird thing to behold!

The only weird thing I see in the whole Shenny discourse is the Shenny concept itself.  I don't feel alone in my opinion considering that the creaters, producers, writers, and the actors themselves have voiced similar opinions.  I do agree that perhaps a psychoanalyst is needed, but not for the people who think that the whole Shenny concept is ludicrous.

[Ar Diem]

Hmm I think we need a psychoanalyst not an academic (maybe some people see themselves as the plain Leonard or plain Amy and see the couplings as the only time the plain person gets the top/boy/girl) , which is why I'd adore Beverly to come. If it were just arguing well I miss old sleazy single Howard and would love for his marriage to crash and burn, others love H/B and argue against it but not with the outright burning indignation of the anti-Shennys it's a weird thing to behold!

 

That is funny because if I were going to come up with an alternate ship I would put Amy with Leonard.  Penny is the plain one to me and Sheldon has years ahead of him before he will be truly bf material.

 

In the words of Amy "I want a normal boyfriend."

 

In the words of Professor Proton to Leonard about Penny "What do you two talk about?"

[sarah7]

Except that there is more to relationships than physical appearances and that literally no one who ships them cares about those characters' physical appearance. It's "anti-shippers" I keep seeing talking about "plain Amy getting sexy Sheldon" (and LMAO because Sheldon isn't sexy, not even close). Maybe you should stop pretending to be able to psychoanalyse people you're never even going to meet just based on what their preferred fictional relationship is. Just an idea.

 

I agree so very much.

 

Every time I read that "sexy Sheldon" thing.....

 

And as you said, it has little to do with physical appearance. Sheldon (incarnated by Jim) is cute, yes, but not incredibly cuter than Johnny as Leonard. It's a matter of different strokes for different folks. I've met several fans that would take the second over the first anytime. Personally I don't feel attracted to any of them and I respect Jim's fangirls (of either shipping preference), but come on! he's not playing the "top boy" of the series, actually, he is, character-wise, the worst catch possible of the whole show, for many reasons, but maybe his selfishness is the one that stands out. Even with their misteps, one thing the writers had got right, is the fact that, at a very slow pace and digging his heels, but he is fighting precisely that one of his worst features for the sake of his relationship with Amy.

 

I have my own reasons to vehemently ship Shamy, but none of them is me living vicariously plain Amy's wonderful "luck" of having that "dream" boyfriend.

 

Actually, part of me is in this for Amy/Mayim, both, character and actress, are intelligent, interesting, adorable and have those beautiful eyes and lovely smile. Shelly, you lucky dog!

 

Count me in among the "lesbians for AFF" club

Edited June 28, 2013 by sarah7

[Ar Diem]

I think this forum makes that mistake too often,  That is trying to figure out why a person enjoys or dislikes a bit of entertainment.  It leads to unflattering labels.  Since we are all obviously in the pursuit of the same thing we should just be happy if someone has found something they enjoy and hope they'd return the favor if the show bends to our liking.

[Spaced_up]

While I appreciate that people have different tastes, the level of crushing on Jim is phenomenal, all over the internet. Tumblr, youtube! everywhere. His thread on this forum has 1500 posts compared to 44 for Johnny. And it's full of MUCH LOVE and openly admitted LUST!! The photo thread is particularly a Jim thread as well. So a handful of people don't find him in the least bit attractive, that doesn't prove that shipping isn't about desire. Nor does it speak for the majority. I openly admit I think he's lovely and it's part of the appeal of the show. 

[BlackWhiteRose]

 I also think that Jim is adorable but I wouldn`t say that his character Sheldon is sexy.

Anyway: Amy would have a problem with Penny going out with Sheldon. I´m really sure about that. She would wanna join them.

[gaqo]

Seriously?

 

You've been repeatedly posting, even double-posting, on a text-based discussion forum which is literally almost nothing but words, and you're going to throw out a complaint about having to read too much? 

 

I mean...seriously?

sorry, tuned out!

[rickfromillinois]

While I appreciate that people have different tastes, the level of crushing on Jim is phenomenal, all over the internet. Tumblr, youtube! everywhere. His thread on this forum has 1500 posts compared to 44 for Johnny. And it's full of MUCH LOVE and openly admitted LUST!! The photo thread is particularly a Jim thread as well. So a handful of people don't find him in the least bit attractive, that doesn't prove that shipping isn't about desire. Nor does it speak for the majority. I openly admit I think he's lovely and it's part of the appeal of the show. 

This would appear to be crushing on an actor who wouldn't be the least bit interested in even the most sexy women in the world.  Sheldon the character appears to be asexual and has never expressed a romantic interest in anyone.  Frankly I find the whole "crushing" on him a bit bizarre.   Appreciate him as an actor and the character, great, I do too.  

Edited June 28, 2013 by rickfromillinois

[sarah7]

While I appreciate that people have different tastes, the level of crushing on Jim is phenomenal, all over the internet. Tumblr, youtube! everywhere. His thread on this forum has 1500 posts compared to 44 for Johnny. And it's full of MUCH LOVE and openly admitted LUST!! The photo thread is particularly a Jim thread as well. So a handful of people don't find him in the least bit attractive, that doesn't prove that shipping isn't about desire. Nor does it speak for the majority. I openly admit I think he's lovely and it's part of the appeal of the show. 

 

Look, I see this as a reality/fiction confusion.

 

When I say I don't find myself lusting over him, I'm not trying to deny he has fans or can be an object of love and lust, of course he does!, I'm merely stating my opinion, as opossed to the as a matter of factly way his fangirls tend to refer as him as an universal sex symbol. Just that.

 

And I'm perfectly aware he is the pick of the majority of the female fans of the show, aside of their shipping preference. I can see not only you and fanon shippers, but a lot of my fellow shippers love him. However, no matter how large his fanbase could be in the universe of TBBT fans, I don't think we could catalogue him as a sex symbol outside that particular realm, at least not to reach adoration levels of guys like, lets go for a classic, Johnny Depp, or one of the current heartthrobs like Bradley Cooper.

But, at the end, that's not the point.

 

I think when fans come and say things like: "Amy is the aspirational character for plain girls who dream to get the sexy guy" is a serious case of reality and fiction confusion, because no matter if in real life Jim Parsons has a gazillion drooling and lustful fans, Sheldon Lee Cooper, the character, is NOT the "top boy" or a "sex symbol", he is a childish, nerdish, uninterested in love and sex, egotist weirdo.

Plain!Amy is not being paired with a sexy heartthrob, she is being paired with a plain, crazy, odd guy, no matter how the fans perceive him because of the actor playing the role. That's the reality of the show, and it will be the same even if the aforementioned other Cooper (the Bradley one ) were playing him.

 

That assertion could be true in the Penny/Leonard situation, because it's part of the very foundation of the show. Penny is supposed to be the girl, the one who is out of the league of the 99% of the guys, and it's a fact constantly reminded in the show. Many male fans of the show could agree, some would not. I'm not a male viewer, but, as I said, for my girlcrush I'd pick Amy or even Bernardette over Penny anytime, but that wouldn't change the show's canon, wich is none is hotter or more desirable than Penny.

 

So, that's the point. LOVE and LUST Jim/Sheldon all you want, that won't make him a "sex symbol" in the reality of the show. And I know not only Amy, but some other characters had expressed their liking of him over the run of the series (I may be forgetting someone, but I just remember 4 people: the hulk gloves girl, Ramona, Lalita and the cafeteria guy) just as, and no more that all the other guys, no matter how nerdy or losers they could be. Howard used the be the one with the toughest luck, but it was mainly because of his pervvy personality, Raj and specially Leonard had scored with really hot gals, that doesn't take away their original premise, wich is: they are the opposite of a suave womanizer. All of them.

 

So, no, Amy is not living the plain girl's dream (to an extent, maybe the nightmare! )

Edited June 29, 2013 by sarah7

[BangerMain]

This would appear to be crushing on an actor who wouldn't be the least bit interested in even the most sexy women in the world.  Sheldon the character appears to be asexual and has never expressed a romantic interest in anyone.  Frankly I find the whole "crushing" on him a bit bizarre.   Appreciate him as an actor and the character, great, I do too.  

 

It is puzzling why women would find a gay actor playing an asexual, self-absorbed character so "crush-able". Besides his visceral appearance, (Jim is almost pretty), Sheldon sends out no sexual vibe and this is done on purpose since Jim Parsons is a fine actor who has carried out his characters premise for 6 years now. I am sure that neither Kaley nor Mayim is trying to make Jim change "teams" in the way they interact with him off camera and on camera neither actresses' characters reacts to Sheldon's action as if they perceive he has any interest in them sexually. This is the source of Amy's frustrations and Penny's derision.

 

So, beside Jim Parson's looks, what sexual fantasy would he or his character generate in a woman?

Edited June 29, 2013 by BangerMain

[sarah7]

It is puzzling why women would find a gay actor playing an asexual, self-absorbed character so "crush-able". Besides his visceral appearance, (Jim is almost pretty), Sheldon sends out no sexual vibe and this is done on purpose since Jim Parsons is a fine actor. I am sure that neither Kaley nor Mayim is trying to make Jim change "teams" in the way they interact with him off camera and on camera neither actresses characters reacts to Sheldon's action as if they perceive he has any interest in them sexually. This is the source of Amy's frustrations and Penny's derision.

 

As puzzling as it may sounds to you, I can tell you: Sheldon's unnatainability plays a huge factor in his level of attractiveness.

As you may have seen, a lot of fans find off-putting Leonard's adoration and lust for Penny, whereas they seem to find intriguing Sheldon's aloofness and zero interest in sex, they keep looking for (and imagining) hints of attraction in his behaviour.

It could not been practical, and in real life a woman could only take a couple rejections before moving on and search for greener pastures, but this is fiction, and a lot of women would find more rewarding the story of a girl who gets to awake the lust of an "ice prince" than accepting the willing love of an ever-horny guy. It's a challenge,they fixate in that thrilling idea and tend to ignore all the other plenty of features that make him an awful catch, both, in real life and in fiction.

 

That could one of the factors of Sheldon's popularity, problem is, as Penny said herself, there's a moment that pretty face starts talking

Edited June 29, 2013 by sarah7

[BangerMain]

As puzzling as it may sounds to you, I can tell you: Sheldon's unnatainability plays a huge factor in his level of attractiveness.

As you may have seen, a lot of fans find off-putting Leonard's adoration and lust for Penny, whereas they seem to find intriguing Sheldon's aloofness and zero interest in sex, they keep looking for (and imagining) hints of attraction in his behaviour.

It could not been practical, and in real life a woman could only take a couple rejections before moving on and search for greener pastures, but this is fiction, and a lot of women would find more rewarding the story of a girl who gets to awake the lust of an "ice prince" than accepting the willing love of an ever-horny guy. It's a challenge,they fixate in that thrilling idea and tend to ignore all the other plenty of features that make him an awful catch, both, in real life and in fiction.

 

That could one of the factors of Sheldon's popularity, problem is, as Penny said herself, there's a moment that pretty face starts talking

That makes sense. I'm a guy trying to apply real world values to how women would react to this fictional man/child. The fantasy is he is a challenge that some women would like to see conquered.

 

I agree, in real live a Sheldon would be dismissed as a waste of time by most women. There is no pay-off at all.

Edited June 29, 2013 by BangerMain

[gaqo]

The only weird thing I see in the whole Shenny discourse is the Shenny concept itself.  I don't feel alone in my opinion considering that the creaters, producers, writers, and the actors themselves have voiced similar opinions.  I do agree that perhaps a psychoanalyst is needed, but not for the people who think that the whole Shenny concept is ludicrous.

People who come on this forum refering to; ratings(appealing to lowest common denominator), income, and 'prepared' statements put out by writers, actors,etc; sound suspiciously like CBS executives. Real fans would be refering to artistic/creative content, ideas, humour, and great comedic interactions, which is what started this thread!

[gaqo]

That makes sense. I'm a guy trying to apply real world values to how women would react to this fictional man/child. The fantasy is he is a challenge that some women would like to see conquered.

 

I agree, in real live a Sheldon would be dismissed as a waste of time by most women. There is no pay-off at all.

No 'pay off', are we even watching the same show! Sheldon is always intriguing, entertaining, funny, informative, and challenging!

[ajond]

No 'pay off', are we even watching the same show! Sheldon is always intriguing, entertaining, funny, informative, and challenging!

 

Not to mention irritating self-centred and now only very occasionally funny.

[rickfromillinois]

People who come on this forum refering to; ratings(appealing to lowest common denominator), income, and 'prepared' statements put out by writers, actors,etc; sound suspiciously like CBS executives. Real fans would be refering to artistic/creative content, ideas, humour, and great comedic interactions, which is what started this thread!

So in other words, if you like the coupling that the writers have had characters develope, if you think that changing the makeup of the couples would be a disaster to the ratings, and quote the statements about possible couples, specifically deriding the idea Sheldon and Penny getting together, YOU are not a true fan since fans are more interested in the "artistic/creative content of the show, meaning Penny and Sheldon getting together.  What a ludicrous accusation.

[wannamaker]

People who come on this forum refering to > ratings, income, and 'prepared' statements put out by writers, actors,etc; sound suspiciously like CBS executives. Real fans would be refering to artistic/creative content, ideas, humour, and great comedic interactions, which is what started this thread!

 

Do you know gaqo? You're funny sometime and make me smile > that's why I like you.

And so what... if people in this forum are playing to be CBS executives in disguise. Well let them be

If you prefer to comment on the show and the actors with a different approach > like you say > artistic/creative content, ideas, humour, and great comedic interactions, well go ahead > who's stopping you? NO one! Or are they?

[gaqo]

I've told them, I'm just playing with them. I want to know, what is it rickfromillinois does at CBS. Is he the one who censors Chuck Lorre's vanity cards?