Penny should go out with Sheldon

[rickfromillinois]

So now those who believe that the idea of Penny and Sheldon getting together is ludicrous must be super secret spies in the employ of CBS?  Brilliant!  It makes perfect sense that for some reason the Exexutives at CBS are hiring people to come to places like this to oppose the idea because........ just why would they do that?  Why would they possibly give a rats behind what the Shennys think, and why would they do anything about it?   How bizzare is it to believe the Chuck Lorre would really want to put Penny and Sheldon together for "artistic" reasons, whatever that is, and to show "creativity", but that CBS won't let him.   Where in the world did someone come up with this whack-a-do theory?  Could it possibly be that Chuck Lorre is using HIS imagination and artistic creativity to produce a very successful comedy just the way it is shown on T.V.?   What IS humorous are people who have never created a successful show, nor ever will,  proclaiming that in order to "improve" one of the most popular shows on T.V., the show's PTB need to follow THEIR suggestions, and people who disagree with them, including the creators of the show, are undereducated, lack imagination and creative ability, or either in the employ of evil and scary CBS Executives or are being threatened by those Executives into not following the asinine demands of some underachievers.

[Spaced_up]

This would appear to be crushing on an actor who wouldn't be the least bit interested in even the most sexy women in the world.  Sheldon the character appears to be asexual and has never expressed a romantic interest in anyone.  Frankly I find the whole "crushing" on him a bit bizarre.   Appreciate him as an actor and the character, great, I do too.  

 

You make it sound so shameful. I'm not going to feel ashamed for loving to look at a beautiful man no matter who he happens to sleep with. I've crush on gay guys in my time. It makes no difference to me or the hundreds of thousands of other women who think Jim is cute. I'm sure I'm in very good company! The fact is many women find androgyny attractive, except we're not supposed to talk about thar. And if he were single and had even the slightest hint of fluidity in his sexuality, the queue would be mighty long. LOL!

[Spaced_up]

Look, I see this as a reality/fiction confusion.

 

When I say I don't find myself lusting over him, I'm not trying to deny he has fans or can be an object of love and lust, of course he does!, I'm merely stating my opinion, as opossed to the as a matter of factly way his fangirls tend to refer as him as an universal sex symbol. Just that.

 

And I'm perfectly aware he is the pick of the majority of the female fans of the show, aside of their shipping preference. I can see not only you and fanon shippers, but a lot of my fellow shippers love him. However, no matter how large his fanbase could be in the universe of TBBT fans, I don't think we could catalogue him as a sex symbol outside that particular realm, at least not to reach adoration levels of guys like, lets go for a classic, Johnny Depp, or one of the current heartthrobs like Bradley Cooper.

But, at the end, that's not the point.

 

I think when fans come and say things like: "Amy is the aspirational character for plain girls who dream to get the sexy guy" is a serious case of reality and fiction confusion, because no matter if in real life Jim Parsons has a gazillion drooling and lustful fans, Sheldon Lee Cooper, the character, is NOT the "top boy" or a "sex symbol", he is a childish, nerdish, uninterested in love and sex, egotist weirdo.

Plain!Amy is not being paired with a sexy heartthrob, she is being paired with a plain, crazy, odd guy, no matter how the fans perceive him because of the actor playing the role. That's the reality of the show, and it will be the same even if the aforementioned other Cooper (the Bradley one ) were playing him.

 

That assertion could be true in the Penny/Leonard situation, because it's part of the very foundation of the show. Penny is supposed to be the girl, the one who is out of the league of the 99% of the guys, and it's a fact constantly reminded in the show. Many male fans of the show could agree, some would not. I'm not a male viewer, but, as I said, for my girlcrush I'd pick Amy or even Bernardette over Penny anytime, but that wouldn't change the show's canon, wich is none is hotter or more desirable than Penny.

 

So, that's the point. LOVE and LUST Jim/Sheldon all you want, that won't make him a "sex symbol" in the reality of the show. And I know not only Amy, but some other characters had expressed their liking of him over the run of the series (I may be forgetting someone, but I just remember 4 people: the hulk gloves girl, Ramona, Lalita and the cafeteria guy) just as, and no more that all the other guys, no matter how nerdy or losers they could be. Howard used the be the one with the toughest luck, but it was mainly because of his pervvy personality, Raj and specially Leonard had scored with really hot gals, that doesn't take away their original premise, wich is: they are the opposite of a suave womanizer. All of them.

 

So, no, Amy is not living the plain girl's dream (to an extent, maybe the nightmare! )

 

Sex symbols don't have to be traditional looking. Sheldon a modern kind of sex symbol and has enough fans to qualify as one.

I actually found the early Sheldon attractive. He was the alpha male without a doubt, eclipsing the others because he was the smartest of all of them and mysteriously disconnected at the same time. I loved his amazing intellect and the way he would say what he thought without censoring his responses. Not to mention that he's tall, willowy and a nerd with it. Phoar! He really intrigued me. If he lived across the hall from me I'd have given it a shot. LOL! The newer Sheldon isn't quite as appealing though. He's bigoted, kind of stupid and acts like a baby.

 

[BangerMain]

No 'pay off', are we even watching the same show! Sheldon is always intriguing, entertaining, funny, informative, and challenging!

The statement read: " in real life a Sheldon would be dismissed as a waste of time by most women. There is no pay-off at all."

I think you missed the phase "in real life".

How many women would allow themselves to be insulted, ignored and humiliated in public? Any that would are seriously damaged.

Edited June 30, 2013 by BangerMain

[Razberrypie]

The statement read: " in real life a Sheldon would be dismissed as a waste of time by most women. There is no pay-off at all."

I think you missed the phase "in real life".

How many women would allow themselves to be insulted, ignored and humiliated in public? Any that would are seriously damaged.

 

It's strange how lot of girls are convinced that Sheldon would be their perfect boyfriend when as you say, in reality he'd be one of the worst boyfriends in existence which has been highlighted pretty well in his relationship with Amy. I hope that I'll never be attracted to a guy like Sheldon in real life and God help me if I am because he would make my life a misery. I'm not denying that he's cute, but that's as far as it goes. I bet if he were physically unattractive some girls would finally be able to see it in his personality too. It's the unfortunate world we live in.

[Spaced_up]

It's strange how lot of girls are convinced that Sheldon would be their perfect boyfriend when as you say, in reality he'd be one of the worst boyfriends in existence which has been highlighted pretty well in his relationship with Amy. I hope that I'll never be attracted to a guy like Sheldon in real life and God help me if I am because he would make my life a misery. I'm not denying that he's cute, but that's as far as it goes. I bet if he were physically unattractive some girls would finally be able to see it in his personality too. It's the unfortunate world we live in.

 

In real life I always end up with metrosexuals like Raj, or someone like the new Howard. I've met plenty of oddball nerds but never a smoking hot asexual with a big mouth on him who is so intellectually superior he can floor me in a second. I like smart men and prefer someone who can hold his own. Sheldon's an very extreme example but he's a symbol anyway and only a TV creation. Plus he's not nearly as in control of the world as he likes to think he is, regardless of the 187 IQ. They have written him to be a poor excuse for a boyfriend though because the relatiosnhip he's in, is all about him.

[ARMANDO888]

color=#000080]Penny should go out with Sheldon in next season the cast should do thid they would be awsome couple include dancing drinking daiting and other stuff sheldon and penny are awsome together so that would be good for next season[/c:icon_cool:olor]

but so would fall a pillar of the fun of the series

[rickfromillinois]

You make it sound so shameful. I'm not going to feel ashamed for loving to look at a beautiful man no matter who he happens to sleep with. I've crush on gay guys in my time. It makes no difference to me or the hundreds of thousands of other women who think Jim is cute. I'm sure I'm in very good company! The fact is many women find androgyny attractive, except we're not supposed to talk about thar. And if he were single and had even the slightest hint of fluidity in his sexuality, the queue would be mighty long. LOL!

I never said that it was shameful, I said that I found it bizarre that anyone would crush on someone, either a character or an actor, who would not EVER, under ANY circumstance, have the slightest sexual interest in them.  That is also one of the main reasons that I find the whole Shenny concept unrealistic.  I also think that it shows a lack of respect to the person and the character to think that somehow you are going to be able to change their basic character, especially something as important as their sexual orientation, because it is something YOU want.   How about appreciating them the way they are instead of thinking that somehow YOU have the capability to change them to behave way that YOU want them?  

[gaqo]

Again I'm amazed at how obsessed the 'shenny haters' are about Penny and Sheldon. I think there's something underneath their loud denials. We need Bev H. for some psychological deconstruction, of these people. What is it they are trying to hide from themselves, about themselves, by their constant denials? As you are aware there is a 'sexuality revolution', happening in enlightened societies. All boundaries between what it is to be a 'man' or a 'woman' are blurring, definitions are no longer polarised. We are redefining ourselves, not allowing others to label us. Sheldon represents, in fact is an icon, of that revolution. So is Jim Parsons. Really alot of you 'negative posters' are living in the nineteenth century. Send us a post card!!!

Edited June 30, 2013 by gaqo

[gaqo]

Not to mention irritating self-centred and now only very occasionally funny.

Do you think Sheldon is really any more self centred, than the other male characters? I admit he may have taken Nietzsche's idea, 'will to power', to heart. But that's Sheldon. Without him this show wouldn't exist!

[rickfromillinois]

Again I'm amazed at how obsessed the 'shenny haters' are about Penny and Sheldon. I think there's something underneath their loud denials. We need Bev H. for some psychological deconstruction, of these people. What is it they are trying to hide from themselves, about themselves, by their constant denials? As you are aware there is a 'sexuality revolution', happening in enlightened societies. All boundaries between what it is to be a 'man' or a 'woman' are blurring, definitions are no longer polarised. We are redefining ourselves, not allowing others to label us. Sheldon represents, in fact is an icon, of that revolution. So is Jim Parsons. Really alot of you 'negative posters' are living in the nineteenth century. Send us a post card!!!

Really?  How dillusional can you be to keep fixating on something that isn't there.   It would appear that the Shennytes are in denial of what the creaters, writers, and actors have repeadily stated over and over again.   How many times do they have to say that they not only find the idea rediculous but bordeline disgusting?  YOU are the obsessed ones.   As for Sheldon's sexuality representing some sort of icon for the "sexual revolution" that is taking place in an enlightened society, the whole concept is laughible, unliess being asexual is something new in your opion.  If so, I suggest you look inot the various types of monasteries.  As for Jim Parson's personally, I do not see anything that he has done that would indicate that he would be willing to hook up with female fans.  On the contrary, he is in a monomagous relationship.   As someone who lived through the sexual revolution, I find your assertion that somehow this relates to it is asinine.

[gaqo]

Really?  How dillusional can you be to keep fixating on something that isn't there.   It would appear that the Shennytes are in denial of what the creaters, writers, and actors have repeadily stated over and over again.   How many times do they have to say that they not only find the idea rediculous but bordeline disgusting?  YOU are the obsessed ones.   As for Sheldon's sexuality representing some sort of icon for the "sexual revolution" that is taking place in an enlightened society, the whole concept is laughible, unliess being asexual is something new in your opion.  If so, I suggest you look inot the various types of monasteries.  As for Jim Parson's personally, I do not see anything that he has done that would indicate that he would be willing to hook up with female fans.  On the contrary, he is in a monomagous relationship.   As someone who lived through the sexual revolution, I find your assertion that somehow this relates to it is asinine.

Touched a nerve have I. Again you're not really reading what I say, just picking out a few words, and comprehending from an old school perspective. Remember your sense of humour, CBS boy!!! 

[gaqo]

I just want to say a big THANK YOU, to you 'positive' people. When I first went on-line, I wondered if there was 'intelligent life-forms' on the internet. Since I've discovered this site, absorbing all your different viewpoints, I feel like we are on a journey, 'riding a wave', not just in our understanding of the show, but with all the different topics available across the site, our perception of everything. I feel sorry for the 'negative ones', who stand on the sidelines, shouting; 'canon, canon', 'writer intent','stop thinking', 'stop interpreting', 'stop playing with ideas'. They'll never know, and will get left behind. Now I know why this site is addictive!

[annieogly]

Again I'm amazed at how obsessed the 'shenny haters' are about Penny and Sheldon. I think there's something underneath their loud denials. We need Bev H. for some psychological deconstruction, of these people. What is it they are trying to hide from themselves, about themselves, by their constant denials? As you are aware there is a 'sexuality revolution', happening in enlightened societies. All boundaries between what it is to be a 'man' or a 'woman' are blurring, definitions are no longer polarised. We are redefining ourselves, not allowing others to label us. Sheldon represents, in fact is an icon, of that revolution. So is Jim Parsons. Really alot of you 'negative posters' are living in the nineteenth century. Send us a post card!!!

 

Isn't it fascinating Gaqo, I'm pro shenny but other ships don't bother me or none at all, so yeah there is absolutely something. Maybe as you say it's the power of an androgynous male to get all this admiration from women and men! And in real life women and men love Jim. So more power to him. And I'm a lesbian & think he's great as well   Hehe, love the post card.

 

I enjoy your thoughtful posts a lot; so keep on writing what you think!

[gaqo]

Thanks. Actually I'm not really bothered about 'shipping', either. Obviously, I really enjoyed the interactions between S and P. Great platonic relationships, deserve to be recognised as well! I just saw someone being bullied on this thread. I wasn't sure how to react at first. Then decided to deconstruct everthing they think they know, and do it with a sense of humour. This thread is a hoot. Power to freedom of expression, and freedom of sexuality!!!

[Guest DroneInTheSun]

"I'm impartial to ships although I love the S/P dynamic" they say while posting like crazy in the S/P thread and suggesting anyone who ships canon things is unimaginative, not a "real fan" and needs to see a psychiatrist.

 

Troll harder, trolls.

[rickfromillinois]

Thanks. Actually I'm not really bothered about 'shipping', either. Obviously, I really enjoyed the interactions between S and P. Great platonic relationships, deserve to be recognised as well! I just saw someone being bullied on this thread. I wasn't sure how to react at first. Then decided to deconstruct everthing they think they know, and do it with a sense of humour. This thread is a hoot. Power to freedom of expression, and freedom of sexuality!!!

I am not sure what you mean by "freedom of sexuality", as though anyone here has tried to restrict it someones sexuality.   Believing that someone's sexuality is thier business does not mean that you think that everyone somebody else thinks that they should have sex with is a good idea.  The actor Jim Parsons has publicly announced his sexual preference and has also publicly stated that he is in a manogamous relationship.  I believe that he and his relationship should be respected.  How is that in any way displaying a lack of belief in sexual freedom in the sexual interaction between two consenting adults?

 

Edited June 30, 2013 by rickfromillinois

[Spaced_up]

I never said that it was shameful, I said that I found it bizarre that anyone would crush on someone, either a character or an actor, who would not EVER, under ANY circumstance, have the slightest sexual interest in them.  That is also one of the main reasons that I find the whole Shenny concept unrealistic.  I also think that it shows a lack of respect to the person and the character to think that somehow you are going to be able to change their basic character, especially something as important as their sexual orientation, because it is something YOU want.   How about appreciating them the way they are instead of thinking that somehow YOU have the capability to change them to behave way that YOU want them?  

 

Just WOW! Are you trying to suggest I think someone can turn a gay man in real life. I'm mature enough to know it's a look don't touch deal. God I'm not that daft! Also Sheldon is not gay. Jim is not Sheldon. Unbelievable! 

 

Also, no! I will appreciate them how ever I choose.

[rickfromillinois]

Again I'm amazed at how obsessed the 'shenny haters' are about Penny and Sheldon. I think there's something underneath their loud denials. We need Bev H. for some psychological deconstruction, of these people. What is it they are trying to hide from themselves, about themselves, by their constant denials? As you are aware there is a 'sexuality revolution', happening in enlightened societies. All boundaries between what it is to be a 'man' or a 'woman' are blurring, definitions are no longer polarised. We are redefining ourselves, not allowing others to label us. Sheldon represents, in fact is an icon, of that revolution. So is Jim Parsons. Really alot of you 'negative posters' are living in the nineteenth century. Send us a post card!!!

Perhaps you should explain just what the new "sexual revolution" happening in enlightened societies means and just how does it relate to Penny and Sheldon hooking up in the BBT, and just how the rest of the so-called "negative posters" are living in the nineteenth century.   It is also humorous that someone who is one of the most negative posters here is calling other people "negative".   I guess that the real negative posters are those who find the concept of Sheldon and Penny being anything but friends ludicrous, must be "negative" posters.

[rickfromillinois]

Just WOW! Are you trying to suggest I think someone can turn a gay man in real life. I'm mature enough to know it's a look don't touch deal. God I'm not that daft! Also Sheldon is not gay. Jim is not Sheldon. Unbelievable! 

 

Also, no! I will appreciate them how ever I choose.

I begin to wonder if you are purposely being obtuse about this.   I think I clearly differentiated between the character and the actor.  I did not condemn how you choose to show your "appreciation", I said that I found it a little bizzarre. 

[annieogly]

Just WOW! Are you trying to suggest I think someone can turn a gay man in real life. I'm mature enough to know it's a look don't touch deal. God I'm not that daft! Also Sheldon is not gay. Jim is not Sheldon. Unbelievable! 

 

Also, no! I will appreciate them how ever I choose.

 

Spaced_Up leave Rick  to his happy 1960's past where men were men and women were in the kitchen;  anyone who puts 'sexual revolution' in quotes, like it wasn't earth-shattering for women to finally be in charge of their sexuality and act on it and for gay people like myself to live our lives openly, well he prefers the 19th century. And it's a tad funny he doesn't find it bad that men and women crush on married actors, that would be disrespecting their marriage, but someone it's bad to have a crush on Jim....Oy!

[rickfromillinois]

Spaced_Up leave Rick  to his happy 1960's past where men were men and women were in the kitchen;  anyone who puts 'sexual revolution' in quotes, like it wasn't earth-shattering for women to finally be in charge of their sexuality and act on it and for gay people like myself to live our lives openly, well he prefers the 19th century. And it's a tad funny he doesn't find it bad that men and women crush on married actors, that would be disrespecting their marriage, but someone it's bad to have a crush on Jim....Oy!

I think that I made it pretty clear that one of the reasons that I find it bizzarre that someone would fixate on Jim is because he has very publicly announced that he is in a monogamous  relationship.   Did that part fly over your head? I mentioned it several times.  HE is in a MONOGAMOUS relationship.  Don't put words in my mouth.  Try reading more carefully.  What makes you think that I don't find it bizarre that men and women crush on married actors?   I have said that I find that distasteful.   It would seem that you  are accusing me of things that I have never said, and attributing beliefs to me that I have never expressed.   Please tell me where I have in any way expressed the idea the women should be "in the kitchen", or when I have ever said anything that would indicate that I am bigoted against gay people.   My contempt of you has nothing to do with your sexual orientation but because of baseless acusations that you make that are disgusting and unfounded.  By the way, since you obviously have a reading comprehension problem, I was very clearly referring to the Sheldon character and not the actor, when I referred to the "sexual revolution" since I have a hard time understanding just how Penny hooking up with Sheldon has anything to do with it. 

Edited July 1, 2013 by rickfromillinois

[Slicknickshady]

You go Rick! Tell them like it is. They think Kaley and Jim should date in real life and it's hilarious.

[rickfromillinois]

In the past month the Shennites have implied that those who disagree with them of being sexist, bigots, having a lack of imagination, undereducted, unartistic, in the pay of CBS executives, and in need of phsycoanalyzing.  Then they refer to those who disagree with them as "negative" posters and haters.   All the while ignoring the creators, producers, writers, and the shows actors who all say that not only will Penny and Sheldon never get together romantically, but some of them have gone so far as to say that they find the whole idea disgusting.   Their explanation for that is pressure from Network executives, lack of imagination, and TPTB being more interested in ratings then "art".  The show is so popular because the imagination and artistic endevers of the Creators, Producers, and Actors.   THEIR vision of the show is what makes it so popular and why EVERYONE here watches the show.  If those who would like to see a show that follows THEIR imagination and THEIR artistic view point, all they have to do is get someone to buy it, show it on TV, and see how many people watch THEIR show.   Somehow I don't think that is going to happen.  Some ideas are NOT imaginitive, nor are they artistic, they are just asinie.   Sheldon and Penny are friends, and that is ALL they should ever be.   Often times their relationship appears to be that of a Mother or Aunt and a young child.   Any type of romantic relationship between the two of them has shades of being borderline perverted.  Watch the episode where Penny takes Sheldon to Disneyland.  How anyone can insist that they have a romantic relationship after watching that is beyond me.  Most people would not only not buy it, but many would refuse to watch the show any longer.   Sometimes a bad idea is just a bad idea.

Edited July 1, 2013 by rickfromillinois

[BlackWhiteRose]

 They think Kaley and Jim should date in real life and it's hilarious.

*LOL*  I love that idea ´cause its so funny

 

Anyway: Leonard made Sheldon like Penny and he (Leonard) did a great job with this. Thanks to him Sheldon and Penny are friends and I like that.

They already had dinner together in Penny´s apartment in the Spaghetti episode that was a great scene. And  Sheldon, Penny and Amy already had dinner together in a restaurant in the first episode of Season 4 so they don`t have to repeat that. They maybe should go some place else like the Cheesecake Factory or something I don`t care...as long as Amy keeps an eye one them. (Oh I would love a doubledate with Lenny and Shamy)

Edited July 1, 2013 by BlackWhiteRose