Penny should go out with Sheldon

[rickfromillinois]

*LOL*  I love that idea ´cause its so funny

 

Anyway: Leonard made Sheldon like Penny and he (Leonard) did a great job with this. Thanks to him Sheldon and Penny are friends and I like that.

They already had dinner together in Penny´s apartment in the Spaghetti episode that was a great scene. And  Sheldon, Penny and Amy already had dinner together in a restaurant in the first episode of Season 4 so they don`t have to repeat that. They maybe should go some place else like the Cheesecake Factory or something I don`t care...as long as Amy keeps an eye one them. (Oh I would love a doubledate with Lenny and Shamy)

I too like Sheldon and Penny as friends, but nothing more.   I think that it surprises Sheldon himself that he finds himself in position where he finds that Penny is someone who he considers as one of his friends.   If they don't have Leonard returned at the start of the new season I think that we will see Penny still spending allot of time over at his apartment, although we may see Sheldon complaining about her spending time over there when Leonard is gone and she says or does something that annoys him, I think that he would still let her in the apartment whenever she knocks on the door.

[phantagrae]

Spaced_Up leave Rick  to his happy 1960's past where men were men and women were in the kitchen;  anyone who puts 'sexual revolution' in quotes, like it wasn't earth-shattering for women to finally be in charge of their sexuality and act on it and for gay people like myself to live our lives openly, well he prefers the 19th century. And it's a tad funny he doesn't find it bad that men and women crush on married actors, that would be disrespecting their marriage, but someone it's bad to have a crush on Jim....Oy!

 

What does the sexual revolution have to do with anything?

Whether or not anyone crushes on anyone--male, female, married, single, gay, straight or anything in between--is a completely separate issue from anything relating to the sexual revolution.

I do happen to crush on JP, because I think he's cute, not because I want to or ever could imagine hooking up with him in any way.

 

But just because gago starts throwing around terms like "sexual revolution" (and I'm putting it in quotes not because I don't think it happened, as you seem to be trying to imply, but because I'm referring to gago's misguided use of the term in this discussion) to try to imply that somehow only backward thinkers deny the Shenny doesn't mean that whatever happened during the sexual revolution has any bearing whatsoever in the issue of whether or not Sheldon and Penny make any kind of romantic couple or should or could or anything.

 

Gago has repeatedly tried to imply that anyone who does not endorse the Shenny, or some variation of it, is somehow a backward thinker, or artistically impaired or lacking imagination or "blinkered" or "negative" or whatever.  His tossing out there of the "sexual revolution" as some kind of factor is just another ignorant attempt to denigrate those who disagree with him, because he obviously thinks that his way of looking at it is the only thoughtful, enlightened, modern, artistic way of looking at it.

Never mind that he's completely clueless about it.

[BlackWhiteRose]

I agree with you rick.

 

Because Penny and Sheldon dating would be:

 

[Ar Diem]

In the past month the Shennites have implied that those who disagree with them of being sexist, bigots, having a lack of imagination, undereducted, unartistic, in the pay of CBS executives, and in need of phsycoanalyzing.  Then they refer to those who disagree with them as "negative" posters and haters.   All the while ignoring the creators, producers, writers, and the shows actors who all say that not only will Penny and Sheldon never get together romantically, but some of them have gone so far as to say that they find the whole idea disgusting.   Their explanation for that is pressure from Network executives, lack of imagination, and TPTB being more interested in ratings then "art".  The show is so popular because the imagination and artistic endevers of the Creators, Producers, and Actors.   THEIR vision of the show is what makes it so popular and why EVERYONE here watches the show.  If those who would like to see a show that follows THEIR imagination and THEIR artistic view point, all they have to do is get someone to buy it, show it on TV, and see how many people watch THEIR show.   Somehow I don't think that is going to happen.  Some ideas are NOT imaginitive, nor are they artistic, they are just asinie.   Sheldon and Penny are friends, and that is ALL they should ever be.   Often times their relationship appears to be that of a Mother or Aunt and a young child.   Any type of romantic relationship between the two of them has shades of being borderline perverted.  Watch the episode where Penny takes Sheldon to Disneyland.  How anyone can insist that they have a romantic relationship after watching that is beyond me.  Most people would not only not buy it, but many would refuse to watch the show any longer.   Sometimes a bad idea is just a bad idea.

 

 

I am not going to read all of this nonsense to see if someone actually insulted you or not but if they did and you stick around asking for more at some point you share in the blame.   If someone that doesn't like you insults you why would you care?  You are giving them power over you.  That is silly.

 

To the second part of your post you are calling something a bad idea out of turn.  No one knows if it would be a bad idea unless it is tried.  It will probably never be tried so the worst we can call it is an alternative idea.  You are making that assumption based on your personal viewpoints.  For all we know Shenny could pump up the ratings even further.  I would rather not find out but it is possible.

 

It is past time for this thread to die and for that to happen you and the others need stop this debate.  It has already gotten out of hand.  Trying to correct people on the internet is a waste of time.

[phantagrae]

I am not going to read all of this nonsense to see if someone actually insulted you or not but if they did and you stick around asking for more at some point you share in the blame.   If someone that doesn't like you insults you why would you care?  You are giving them power over you.  That is silly.

 

To the second part of your post you are calling something a bad idea out of turn.  No one knows if it would be a bad idea unless it is tried.  It will probably never be tried so the worst we can call it is an alternative idea.  You are making that assumption based on your personal viewpoints.  For all we know Shenny could pump up the ratings even further.  I would rather not find out but it is possible.

 

It is past time for this thread to die and for that to happen you and the others need stop this debate.  It has already gotten out of hand.  Trying to correct people on the internet is a waste of time.

Ar, telling everyone to stop talking about it is as much a waste of time--and a prolonging of this thread--as is the continuing debate.

If you think it's time for it to die, then why are you bothering to read it? Or post in it?

[gaqo]

I never said that it was shameful, I said that I found it bizarre that anyone would crush on someone, either a character or an actor, who would not EVER, under ANY circumstance, have the slightest sexual interest in them.  That is also one of the main reasons that I find the whole Shenny concept unrealistic.  I also think that it shows a lack of respect to the person and the character to think that somehow you are going to be able to change their basic character, especially something as important as their sexual orientation, because it is something YOU want.   How about appreciating them the way they are instead of thinking that somehow YOU have the capability to change them to behave way that YOU want them?  

Do you really want me to list all the gay male actors, pop stars, ballet dancers, etc, that women have had crushes on. In your time, they mostly kept their sexuality secret(because executives believed it would harm their 'reputations'. They even had to go through the humiliating 'fake' marriage).  This was also true of gay female stars. Those people enjoy adoration, and love from their fans, no matter what their gender.

[gaqo]

Perhaps you should explain just what the new "sexual revolution" happening in enlightened societies means and just how does it relate to Penny and Sheldon hooking up in the BBT, and just how the rest of the so-called "negative posters" are living in the nineteenth century.   It is also humorous that someone who is one of the most negative posters here is calling other people "negative".   I guess that the real negative posters are those who find the concept of Sheldon and Penny being anything but friends ludicrous, must be "negative" posters.

Read the original post,you're confusing 'sexual revolution' with what I said, 'sexuality revolution'. In the 'sexuality revolution', Sheldon's 'A-sexuality', is just another possibility, that is being explored.

[gaqo]

Ar, telling everyone to stop talking about it is as much a waste of time--and a prolonging of this thread--as is the continuing debate.

If you think it's time for it to die, then why are you bothering to read it? Or post in it?

There is a certain irony, I agree, when people say we shouldn't discuss the minutiae of TBBT; in a similar way to the characters on that show, who obsess endessly about their favourite cultural objects, whether they be programmes, films or comic books. As long as we keep a sense of humour, I don't see the harm. I find it arbitrary how I'm given warnings, and points, when other people have made similar comments to me. I don't report people, because I don't take it that seriously!

[rickfromillinois]

Read the original post,you're confusing 'sexual revolution' with what I said, 'sexuality revolution'. In the 'sexuality revolution', Sheldon's 'A-sexuality', is just another possibility, that is being explored.

And just how does the sexuality revolution validate the concept of Penny and Sheldon having a romantic relationship?  When you say that in the sexuality revolution Sheldon's A-sexuality is just another possibility that is being explored, are you saying that in your new world Penny would happily give up her sex life in order to be with Sheldon?   She would be fine without ever being kissed again?  She wouldn't have a problem with never having someone give her a warm and heart felt hug?  I don't think so.  

[ARMANDO888]

I've a question, but Raj (the member's this forum that opened this topic) what happened? He has written two posts, he combined a mess here, and he no longer see?

Edited July 2, 2013 by ARMANDO888

[gaqo]

And just how does the sexuality revolution validate the concept of Penny and Sheldon having a romantic relationship?  When you say that in the sexuality revolution Sheldon's A-sexuality is just another possibility that is being explored, are you saying that in your new world Penny would happily give up her sex life in order to be with Sheldon?   She would be fine without ever being kissed again?  She wouldn't have a problem with never having someone give her a warm and heart felt hug?  I don't think so.  

Part of the problem is that Leonard only has power over Sheldon, when he is connected to a strong woman. He relies on the woman to stand up for him against Sheldon. Priya with her intelligence, Penny with the threat of castration. This creates a dynamic where the woman has to take up a position against Sheldon. If Leonard were stronger. Penny and Sheldon would be allowed to have a strong platonic relationship, which would be beneficial to them, and to those of us, who enjoy their interactions. Interestingly the woman who made Leonard like this, Bev H, prefers to align herself with Sheldon.

[phantagrae]

Part of the problem is that Leonard only has power over Sheldon, when he is connected to a strong woman. He relies on the woman to stand up for him against Sheldon. Priya with her intelligence, Penny with the threat of castration. This creates a dynamic where the woman has to take up a position against Sheldon. If Leonard were stronger. Penny and Sheldon would be allowed to have a strong platonic relationship, which would be beneficial to them, and to those of us, who enjoy their interactions. Interestingly the woman who made Leonard like this, Bev H, prefers to align herself with Sheldon.

 

I'm sorry, but where do you get this idea?--that Leonard has to have his women stand up to Sheldon for him?  That's just stupid.

All it really means is that Leonard dates strong-minded women.  It has nothing to do with whether or not he chooses to stand up to Sheldon.  He speaks his mind with Sheldon when he feels it's necessary--and it further has nothing to do with the nature of Penny and Sheldon's relationship.

 

Sheldon and Penny already have a strong platonic friendship.  As Penny said in the Werewolf Transformation, she's taken care of him when he's sick, she kicked a bully in the nuts for him, he's seen her naked.  Plus, he's taken her to the ER, lent her money.  They have a strong friendship.

And there's no need for them to go out on any kind of quasi date to prove it.  They interact almost every day and have learned to be friends (he even admitted it in the Wil Wheaton FWF episode.)

 

They are already friends and don't need to change Leonard or need to date or anything else to improve upon it.

Edited July 2, 2013 by phantagrae

[rickfromillinois]

Penny and Sheldon do have a strong platonic relationship, or just about as strong as it is going to get with their diverse personalities.  I disagree with Leonard relies on a strong women to stand up for him against Sheldon.  As the seasons have progressed I believe that we have seen a more self assured Leonard willing to stand up Sheldon on his own.   I think that when we see him return from his party cruise he will be even more so.  By the way, I did a web search for "sexuality revolution" and did not see any information for that particular search.  Plenty of "sexual revolution", but nothing on "sexuality revolution".  Perhaps you should define exactly what you mean and how it differs from the sexual reveolution.

[gaqo]

Penny and Sheldon do have a strong platonic relationship, or just about as strong as it is going to get with their diverse personalities.  I disagree with Leonard relies on a strong women to stand up for him against Sheldon.  As the seasons have progressed I believe that we have seen a more self assured Leonard willing to stand up Sheldon on his own.   I think that when we see him return from his party cruise he will be even more so.  By the way, I did a web search for "sexuality revolution" and did not see any information for that particular search.  Plenty of "sexual revolution", but nothing on "sexuality revolution".  Perhaps you should define exactly what you mean and how it differs from the sexual reveolution.

For example, when Priya questioned the validity of the 'room mate agreement'. Penny has definetly shifted to defend L, it's what happens with couples. Look up 'sexuality', and add  revolution!

[rickfromillinois]

For example, when Priya questioned the validity of the 'room mate agreement'. Penny has definetly shifted to defend L, it's what happens with couples. Look up 'sexuality', and add  revolution!

What I looked for Exactly was "sexuality revolution".   I got allot of responses for "sexual revolution"  but nothing on "sexuality revolution", just as I had stated earlier.  Perhaps you can enlighten us as what is the difference between the two since you have referred to it several times.

[Nogravitasatall]

Penny and Sheldon do have a strong platonic relationship, or just about as strong as it is going to get with their diverse personalities.  I disagree with Leonard relies on a strong women to stand up for him against Sheldon.  As the seasons have progressed I believe that we have seen a more self assured Leonard willing to stand up Sheldon on his own.   I think that when we see him return from his party cruise he will be even more so.  By the way, I did a web search for "sexuality revolution" and did not see any information for that particular search.  Plenty of "sexual revolution", but nothing on "sexuality revolution".  Perhaps you should define exactly what you mean and how it differs from the sexual reveolution.

PARTY CRUISE!!!!!!!!! Lol.

Please go on

[rickfromillinois]

I wonder how far North Leonard is going to be on the North Sea?  I went to Norway once, and although I do like seafood, I did have a little difficulty after a while having smoked herring for breakfast.  I wonder if when Leonard comes back he is develope cravings for herring and reindeer?

[Martin Pollard]

What I looked for Exactly was "sexuality revolution".   I got allot of responses for "sexual revolution"  but nothing on "sexuality revolution", just as I had stated earlier.  Perhaps you can enlighten us as what is the difference between the two since you have referred to it several times.

 

It's impossible to kick a field goal when someone keeps moving the goalpoasts.You are trying to argue logically with someone who constantly changes the argument to thwart your every move, while belittling everyone and puffing up his own sense of importance in the process. You'd have better luck trying to squeeze orange juice out of a rock.

[Spaced_up]

To the second part of your post you are calling something a bad idea out of turn.  No one knows if it would be a bad idea unless it is tried.  It will probably never be tried so the worst we can call it is an alternative idea.  You are making that assumption based on your personal viewpoints.  For all we know Shenny could pump up the ratings even further.  I would rather not find out but it is possible.

 

 

Thank you!

 

Shenny is just an alternative idea. I believe it would have made the ratings even higher but thats just my opinion.  I am a shenny supporter but I don't believe it will ever happen now. The show is very set. Well thats how it feels to me. There is little mystery imo.

 

 

And the goal posts are excactly where you left them. Gapo was writing about Ricks insistance that its bizaare for a woman to crush on Jim Parsons because he is gay and could never be interested. Which is immaterial to how people feel about their idols.

Edited July 3, 2013 by Spaced_up

[rickfromillinois]

Thank you!

 

Shenny is just an alternative idea. I believe it would have made the ratings even higher but thats just my opinion.  I am a shenny supporter but I don't believe it will ever happen now. The show is very set. Well thats how it feels to me. There is little mystery imo.

 

 

And the goal posts are excactly where you left them. Gapo was writing about Ricks insistance that its bizaare for a woman to crush on Jim Parsons because he is gay and could never be interested. Which is immaterial to how people feel about their idols.

The creaters of the show following THIER idea, THEIR imagination, and THIER artistic view.  The concept that every idea has to be actually tried before someone can say that it is a bad one is ludicrous.   If a kid thinks that if he pust on a cape, climbs ontop of his roof and jumps off because he thinks he can fly like Superman, that is a BAD IDEA.  He doesn't actually have to try it for people to know that it IS A BAD IDEA.  THe same holds true for the idea of Sheldon and Penny getting together.  The real EXPERTS of the show, the creaters, producers, and actors have all said that IT IS A BAD IDEA. 

 

As for the goal posts, you are mischarharecterizing the discusssion.   It was posted that Sheldon and Penny getting together was in accordance with the "sexuality revolution" and those of us who didn't think it was a good idea were living in the past.   I cannot find anything that explains the difference between the "sexuality revolution" and the "sexual revolution" as was claimed, and requested a clarification.  As for my "insistance" that it is bizzare for a woman to crush on Jim Parsons or Sheldon (I mention both of them), I suggest you that read more carefully.  I said that I found it bizarre, which is akin to me saying that I think that tomatoes taste terrible.  It was very clear that I was expression MY PERSONAL reaction only.   There is a big difference between saying "I find it bizarre" and "it is bizarre".  One is a personal opinion and the other is stated as a fact.  In every case I stated it as a personal opinion.   Reading comprehension is very important and seems to be ellusive to some.

Edited July 3, 2013 by rickfromillinois

[gaqo]

@ rickfromi. I think some of the problems we are having here is;strike1 you take this thread too seriously,strike2 you take yourself too seriously,strike3 you squeal on me to the moderators, for what I see as witty jibes. British humour has a history of intelligence, wit, satire and sarcasm, which I don't think translates very well across cultural boundaries. When I leave England I always miss the humour of the people. Check out 'The Fry and Laurie Show', on YT, for a small insight.

Edited July 3, 2013 by gaqo

[gaqo]

The creaters of the show following THIER idea, THEIR imagination, and THIER artistic view.  The concept that every idea has to be actually tried before someone can say that it is a bad one is ludicrous.   If a kid thinks that if he pust on a cape, climbs ontop of his roof and jumps off because he thinks he can fly like Superman, that is a BAD IDEA.  He doesn't actually have to try it for people to know that it IS A BAD IDEA.  THe same holds true for the idea of Sheldon and Penny getting together.  The real EXPERTS of the show, the creaters, producers, and actors have all said that IT IS A BAD IDEA. 

 

As for the goal posts, you are mischarharecterizing the discusssion.   It was posted that Sheldon and Penny getting together was in accordance with the "sexuality revolution" and those of us who didn't think it was a good idea were living in the past.   I cannot find anything that explains the difference between the "sexuality revolution" and the "sexual revolution" as was claimed, and requested a clarification.  As for my "insistance" that it is bizzare for a woman to crush on Jim Parsons or Sheldon (I mention both of them), I suggest you that read more carefully.  I said that I found it bizarre, which is akin to me saying that I think that tomatoes taste terrible.  It was very clear that I was expression MY PERSONAL reaction only.   There is a big difference between saying "I find it bizarre" and "it is bizarre".  One is a personal opinion and the other is stated as a fact.  In every case I stated it as a personal opinion.   Reading comprehension is very important and seems to be ellusive to some.

I'll simply quote my mentor here. 'What Postmodernism does....its objects par excellence are products with a distinctive mass appeal,(Blade Runner,Terminator, Blue Velvet[TBBT]), it is for the interpreter to detect in them an exemplification of the most esoteric theoretical finesses of Lacan, Derrida or Foucault'(Slavoj Zizek). I'll leave that with you for a while!!!

[rickfromillinois]

I'll simply quote my mentor here. 'What Postmodernism does....its objects par excellence are products with a distinctive mass appeal,(Blade Runner,Terminator, Blue Velvet[TBBT]), it is for the interpreter to detect in them an exemplification of the most esoteric theoretical finesses of Lacan, Derrida or Foucault'(Slavoj Zizek). I'll leave that with you for a while!!!

Well that certainly clarifies everything.   Let me reply with something every bit as relivent.  CBS is a television Network.

[gaqo]

Well that certainly clarifies everything.   Let me reply with something every bit as relivent.  CBS is a television Network.

I'm not sure if you've read Chuck Lorre's vanity cards. But they give an insight into his relationship with CBS. Television networks are only interested in making money.

[rickfromillinois]

I'm not sure if you've read Chuck Lorre's vanity cards. But they give an insight into his relationship with CBS. Television networks are only interested in making money.

CBS is NOT PBS.  They are a PROFIT driven corporation.  Chuck Lorre has NEVER expressed even the slightest interest in Sheldon and Penny having a romantic relationship, nor has anyone else affiliated with the show.  On the contrary,  they have repeatedly expresssed their opinions that it is a bad idea and some have even publicly stated that they found the idea disgusting.   The concept that if it weren't for the money grubbing Executives at CBS the show would have Sheldon and Penny living in romantic bliss is delusional.  

 

@ rickfromi. I think some of the problems we are having here is;strike1 you take this thread too seriously,strike2 you take yourself too seriously,strike3 you squeal on me to the moderators, for what I see as witty jibes. British humour has a history of intelligence, wit, satire and sarcasm, which I don't think translates very well across cultural boundaries. When I leave England I always miss the humour of the people. Check out 'The Fry and Laurie Show', on YT, for a small insight.

Let me take "strike 3" first.   Once again you are attributing something to me that I have not done, said, or implied.   I did not "squeal" on you to the moderators.   Ever consider the possiblity that just maybe they read some of your posts themselves, and found them offensive or atleast outside the boundaries of the rules?  "strike 2",I don't see where I take myself too serously.  I could respond to an accusation such as that by pointing out something about baseless arrogance and personal attacks, but why sink to that level?  "Strike 1"  I am not sure what you mean by taking this thread "too seriously"  so I am not sure how to respond.   If you think that somehow the people in the Untied States are without humor, then why are you posting on a site about an American comedy show?   That seems somewhat contradictory.  If you find Americans so humorless, then the simple answer is not only to stop watching our comedy shows, but to remain in Jolly Old.  British hunour also has a history of being juvenile, crude. and catering to the lowest denominator.  Check out Benny HIll.   That show was funny for about 1 or 2 episodes, and even then large portions of it was abotu as funny as a man slipping on a bananna peel.  It got old fast.