Penny should go out with Sheldon

[phantagrae]

@ rickfromi. I think some of the problems we are having here is;strike1 you take this thread too seriously,strike2 you take yourself too seriously,strike3 you squeal on me to the moderators, for what I see as witty jibes. British humour has a history of intelligence, wit, satire and sarcasm, which I don't think translates very well across cultural boundaries. When I leave England I always miss the humour of the people. Check out 'The Fry and Laurie Show', on YT, for a small insight.

 

I think the problems arise more from the fact that you don't really know what you're talking about, but you keep talking as if you do.

British humor has nothing to do with the fact that your arguments are full of sophistry--as you keep saying, "look it up".

 

I've been exposed to plenty of British humor since I was a teenager, but that doesn't mean that your supposed points hold water.

[gaqo]

@rickfromi. I imagine from what Ar Diem was saying, they've got better things to do. My jibe was a reinterpretation of what the writers said through Sheldon, 'this party is an indictment of the American education system'. Calm down it's just a TV show! I've never heard of Benny Hill, check out the show I recommended There are two main strands of Brit Humour; and the type I'm refering to, had it's conception in the Universities. I better not say any more, or you'll get me banned. I've never suggested that P and S should have a romantic relationship, I don't know why you keep refering to such an idea. Sheldon is clearly A-sexual, and a man of the mind. When you say 'go out', does that mean have romantic relationship? Here it means go out, in this case platonically. Enjoy each others company. 

Edited July 3, 2013 by gaqo

[gaqo]

Okay continuing from Slavoj Zizek's quote in 'post 1147', everything is open to interpretation, by the viewer.eg, To the casual observer, 'The Birds', dir:Alfred Hitchcock, appears to show a mass bird attack on humans. Is it the revenge of nature on an errant humanity? Or as suggested in the film, a sign of the coming Apocalypse? One Lacanian interpretation suggests that the birds are a manifestation from the unconscious of the clingy mother, lydia. If you remember, the birds first attack, when the Mitch character, is taking his new girlfriend, Melanie, to meet his mother for the first time. The birds represent the fear that the mother feels, about losing her son to Melanie. I know that the writers of TBBT are aware of these ideas, because the characters often play with ideas, reinterpret,eg the Summer Glau episode, where they discuss Terminator. 

[annieogly]

Okay continuing from Slavoj Zizek's quote in 'post 1147', everything is open to interpretation, by the viewer.eg, To the casual observer, 'The Birds', dir:Alfred Hitchcock, appears to show a mass bird attack on humans. Is it the revenge of nature on an errant humanity? Or as suggested in the film, a sign of the coming Apocalypse? One Lacanian interpretation suggests that the birds are a manifestation from the unconscious of the clingy mother, lydia. If you remember, the birds first attack, when the Mitch character, is taking his new girlfriend, Melanie, to meet his mother for the first time. The birds represent the fear that the mother feels, about losing her son to Melanie. I know that the writers of TBBT are aware of these ideas, because the characters often play with ideas, reinterpret,eg the Summer Glau episode, where they discuss Terminator. 

 

I adore snarky British humour Gaqo and I agree with you about using postmodernism, the ongoing cultural problem is Americans for the most part don't/don't want to understand British humour that is intellectual and  distrust and resent anything intellectual. But frankly that's their problem! Love the lacanian interp of The Birds,.

[phantagrae]

I adore snarky British humour Gaqo and I agree with you about using postmodernism, the ongoing cultural problem is Americans for the most part don't/don't want to understand British humour that is intellectual and  distrust and resent anything intellectual. But frankly that's their problem! Love the lacanian interp of The Birds,.

 

Please direct me to the research that bears out your assertion.  If you don't have any, then you're only stating your opinion, which is also based on nothing other than what you want to think, not any kind of objective fact.

[Nogravitasatall]

Its really hard to argue someone out of their preference. This thread is an example of that. Points for enthusiasm to all. Canon for the win.

[annieogly]

I think the problems arise more from the fact that you don't really know what you're talking about, but you keep talking as if you do.

British humor has nothing to do with the fact that your arguments are full of sophistry--as you keep saying, "look it up".

 

I've been exposed to plenty of British humor since I was a teenager, but that doesn't mean that your supposed points hold water.

 

Really if you've been exposed then tell me why most Americans know who Benny Hill is or Mr. Bean but have no clue as to Stephen Frye, Huge Laurie (pre-House) Peter Cook Dudley Moore, Jonathan Miller, hmm there's plenty more. BBCAmerica and PBS don't show these shows for a reason: no audience. Tell me do you admire P.G. Wodehouse? Evelyn Waugh?

[phantagrae]

Really if you've been exposed then tell me why most Americans know who Benny Hill is or Mr. Bean but have no clue as to Stephen Frye, Huge Laurie (pre-House) Peter Cook Dudley Moore, Jonathan Miller, hmm there's plenty more. BBCAmerica and PBS don't show these shows for a reason: no audience. Tell me do you admire P.G. Wodehouse? Evelyn Waugh?

 

I knew who those people are from the time I was in high school/college (a million years ago) and I saw them on PBS long before we ever got BBCAmerica in the US.

I know of PG Wodehouse and Evelyn Waugh, but I don't have to admire them to know about British humor/TV, etc.  And knowing or admiring British humor doesn't mean I or anyone else is intellectually superior.

 

 

How old are you?  What do you know about American tastes/trends in comedy, either American or British?

 

You make up some idea and think that somehow Americans have some kind of inferior taste in comedy because British comedies/comedians aren't necessarily popular here?  This country is huge and the tastes in TV and movies is incredibly varied and I would bet that there are plenty of Americans who find British humor funny.  But I'm not going to pretend that I know things I don't.  I'm not going to pretend that there are some kind of voodoo statistics that prove that Americans don't know this or that or that British humor is somehow proven to be superior or inferior to American humor.

 

Every culture laughs at things that resonate with their cultural experience, so something that's funny to the citizens of one country might not be as funny to citizens of some other country unless it's some kind of universal element.  But so much of comedy depends on one understanding the context and the cultural shorthand and even things like political references or the use of slang or the way one tells a joke.

 

Trying to pretend that people don't get what you (collective you) are saying because they're somehow intellectually inferior because they don't know British comedy is just foolishness--and has nothing to do with the storytelling that goes on with TBBT.

Trying to again claim that this nonsense about S/P "going out" as friends or being some kind of magical romantic couple that will magically elevate the humor on the show or whatever the latest ridiculous claim is has anything to do with the supposed superiority of British humor or satire or whatever is just more sophistry.

[rickfromillinois]

@rickfromi. I imagine from what Ar Diem was saying, they've got better things to do. My jibe was a reinterpretation of what the writers said through Sheldon, 'this party is an indictment of the American education system'. Calm down it's just a TV show! I've never heard of Benny Hill, check out the show I recommended There are two main strands of Brit Humour; and the type I'm refering to, had it's conception in the Universities. I better not say any more, or you'll get me banned. I've never suggested that P and S should have a romantic relationship, I don't know why you keep refering to such an idea. Sheldon is clearly A-sexual, and a man of the mind. When you say 'go out', does that mean have romantic relationship? Here it means go out, in this case platonically. Enjoy each others company. 

Once again, I have not reported you to the monitors.  you continue to state that I have or will do something that i have not done nor have indicated that I will do, although as you have refused to believe my denials I think that I will leave that option open.  If someone reported you to the moderators perhaps they are more affended my your posts then I have been, although you appear to working very hard to get me to that point.    As for the whole British humor claim verses the lack of it in the Untied States, perhaps the problem lies with you!  Just maybe YOU aren't funny.  As you never suggesting P and S should have a romnatic relationship, bunk.  You have done exactly that.  Yes, in the Untied States when someone asks if a man and a woman should "go out"  it does mean that they are asking if they should possibly have a romantic relationship. Perhaps this is a case of where "never have two nations been so seperated by a common language." 

Edited July 4, 2013 by rickfromillinois

[rickfromillinois]

I am still waiting for the explanation about the difference between the "sexual revolution" and the "sexuality revolution".  I have done a search in the web about the "sexuallity revolution" and found nothing.   What is it?

[gaqo]

I knew who those people are from the time I was in high school/college (a million years ago) and I saw them on PBS long before we ever got BBCAmerica in the US.

I know of PG Wodehouse and Evelyn Waugh, but I don't have to admire them to know about British humor/TV, etc.  And knowing or admiring British humor doesn't mean I or anyone else is intellectually superior.

 

 

How old are you?  What do you know about American tastes/trends in comedy, either American or British?

 

You make up some idea and think that somehow Americans have some kind of inferior taste in comedy because British comedies/comedians aren't necessarily popular here?  This country is huge and the tastes in TV and movies is incredibly varied and I would bet that there are plenty of Americans who find British humor funny.  But I'm not going to pretend that I know things I don't.  I'm not going to pretend that there are some kind of voodoo statistics that prove that Americans don't know this or that or that British humor is somehow proven to be superior or inferior to American humor.

 

Every culture laughs at things that resonate with their cultural experience, so something that's funny to the citizens of one country might not be as funny to citizens of some other country unless it's some kind of universal element.  But so much of comedy depends on one understanding the context and the cultural shorthand and even things like political references or the use of slang or the way one tells a joke.

 

Trying to pretend that people don't get what you (collective you) are saying because they're somehow intellectually inferior because they don't know British comedy is just foolishness--and has nothing to do with the storytelling that goes on with TBBT.

Trying to again claim that this nonsense about S/P "going out" as friends or being some kind of magical romantic couple that will magically elevate the humor on the show or whatever the latest ridiculous claim is has anything to do with the supposed superiority of British humor or satire or whatever is just more sophistry.

Again you are totally misinterpreting what was said. I'm sorry you were 'exposed' to British Humour, since you were a teenager, life is cruel! I merely made the point that rickfromi, didn't get my humour. Again you people see a few words, and go 'ranting crazy' on your keyboards. YYYYYYYYYAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[gaqo]

It's impossible to kick a field goal when someone keeps moving the goalpoasts.You are trying to argue logically with someone who constantly changes the argument to thwart your every move, while belittling everyone and puffing up his own sense of importance in the process. You'd have better luck trying to squeeze orange juice out of a rock.

I'll give you the words you put them in the right order, and context. multiplicity,understanding,perception of being,filter,interpret life,metaphors,breadth of,structure,define our lives.

[gaqo]

Yes sorry I'm multi-posting again! Sue me! 'I think philosophy and comedy are both about holding irreconcilable perspectives in the mind at the same time. I like metaphysics that feels like an imaginative exploration of what reality could be. I like metaphysics that present new possibilities to me that I never considered before'. (Eric Kaplan). 

[ajond]

Yes sorry I'm multi-posting again! Sue me! 'I think philosophy and comedy are both about holding irreconcilable perspectives in the mind at the same time. I like metaphysics that feels like an imaginative exploration of what reality could be. I like metaphysics that present new possibilities to me that I never considered before'. (Eric Kaplan). 

God Gaqo you are boooooooooooooorrrrrrrriiiiiinnnnnnnnnnggggggggggg.

[annieogly]

Again you are totally misinterpreting what was said. I'm sorry you were 'exposed' to British Humour, since you were a teenager, life is cruel! I merely made the point that rickfromi, didn't get my humour. Again you people see a few words, and go 'ranting crazy' on your keyboards. YYYYYYYYYAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

I know this is so weird, I tried to explain to Phantagrae that British humour is different, that most Americans don't 'get' it.  And it resulted in Rick not 'getting' you. And it turns into the same superior/inferior argument, which I do not understand at all. It's not better or worse; it's different and I like witty British humour!

[rickfromillinois]

I am still waiting for the explanation about the difference between the "sexual revolution" and the "sexuality revolution".  I have done a search in the web about the "sexuallity revolution" and found nothing.   What is it?

Still waiting.

[rickfromillinois]

I know this is so weird, I tried to explain to Phantagrae that British humour is different, that most Americans don't 'get' it.  And it resulted in Rick not 'getting' you. And it turns into the same superior/inferior argument, which I do not understand at all. It's not better or worse; it's different and I like witty British humour!

I do get most British comdedy, if I find actually humorous.   Just because I do not find one particular person humorous does not mean that I feel the same for a whole culture, nor does it mean that a whole culture is lock stepped into a single type of humor.  I feel that I am not the only one that fails to find the "humor' in gago's posts, and do not believe that the fault lies with me.   I also wonder just how much of an expert on a Country's humor one can be if they have not heard of Benny HIll, whose primary TV show ran on British TV for 20 years and his various shows were on for over 40.   Maybe someone can claim that other people do not appreciate one aspect of British humor, but they are hardly justified in claiming that someone doesn't understand any of it. 

 

The whole accusation that Americans lack an understanding of British humor and the total lack of a sense of hurmor in Americans, when the person making the claim  is on a site dedicated to an American Comedy show is strange reasoning.   As "proof" of the accusaion the claim of the individual was that several British shows are not shown in the U.S. because they would have very low ratings somehow proves that people in the U.S. do not have a sense of humor, once again posting on a site dedicated to fans of an Americian comedy shows, which by the way does have very high ratings, is funny in itself, but not in a humorous way. " I said something that didn't go over very well, but it's not my fault, you just don't have the intellectual capacity to understand my sense of humor" is an excuse that my kids tried to use when they were young and said something wrong and got in trouble for it. "I was just joking" didn't work out well for them.  Perhaps that can be Paula Dean's excuse. 

 

By the way, I am still waiting for the explanation about the difference between the sexaul revolution and the sexuality revolution.

[rickfromillinois]

By the way, I was a big fan of Monty Python and Black Adder ( with Hugh Laurie), saw all of their shows multiple times, and thought they were hillarious.   I have seen some Benny Hills shows several times and didn't think that he was funny.  I do not see how that in any way demonstrates whether I do or don't have a sense of humor.  

[gaqo]

I know this is so weird, I tried to explain to Phantagrae that British humour is different, that most Americans don't 'get' it.  And it resulted in Rick not 'getting' you. And it turns into the same superior/inferior argument, which I do not understand at all. It's not better or worse; it's different and I like witty British humour!

I think some things don't cross cultural boundaries well. We do find it strange that Americans often remake programmes, and films, so that their audience will get them. I'm a big fan of Pedro Almodovar's films, and find it almost insulting that they are remade. I've also had some problems with Americans not understanding the way I use language. Maybe it's indicative, that in the future we should be a little more tolerant. Do you ever stray down into the underwhelmingly entitled 'chit chat'? Some of us are trying to develop the community. You're input would be appreciated. 

[gaqo]

God Gaqo you are boooooooooooooorrrrrrrriiiiiinnnnnnnnnnggggggggggg.

Imitation is considered as flattery by some, so thanks ajond, you are so sweet. I may have to take out a restraining order, if you keep following me around like this. But really I'm flattered! 

[wannamaker]

God Gaqo you are boooooooooooooorrrrrrrriiiiiinnnnnnnnnnggggggggggg.

 

@ajond do you think Gaqo is a elamef or elam? I think is a ehs...don't you?

[rickfromillinois]

@rickfromi. It's strange, we seem to get two versions of you on here; the crazy ranter, and Mr Reasonable. I hope you're not inbibing alcohol, I am, the sun is shining. That's why we developed a sharp sense of humour, it rains for nine months a year, here! Look my only aim on this thread, was to fight for people's right to think differently, and use their imaginations( as Eric Kaplan says, 'holding irreconcilable perspectives in the mind at the same time'), without being abused, or bullied. As we say, 'when everyone is thinking the same way, it's a sure sign, that no one is really thinking'. I think I've pretty much achieved that, there are only a few windmills left standing!! I absorb culture from all over the world, the only criteria is quality.

"As we say, 'when everyone is thinking the same way, it's a sure sign, that no one is really thinking'."  Really?  But at the same time EVERYONE in Great Briton has an excellent sense of humor while NO ONE in the United States does.  Yeah, that is in line with your your saying.   I strongly disagree about being some kind of "crazy ranter" at times and "Mr Reasonable" at others.  We too have a saying, "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance then baffle them with bs".  There ain't no briliance and although you may try hard and shovel it thickly, you aren't really baffling anyone.

Edited July 5, 2013 by rickfromillinois

[rickfromillinois]

I think some things don't cross cultural boundaries well. We do find it strange that Americans often remake programmes, and films, so that their audience will get them. I'm a big fan of Pedro Almodovar's films, and find it almost insulting that they are remade. I've also had some problems with Americans not understanding the way I use language. Maybe it's indicative, that in the future we should be a little more tolerant. Do you ever stray down into the underwhelmingly entitled 'chit chat'? Some of us are trying to develop the community. You're input would be appreciated. 

This is a thread about an AMERICAN show.   It is not a remake fo a British Show.   If we don't get "British Humor", so what?   Frankly I beleive the whole "You Americans don't understand British humor" concept is nothing more then an excuse for boorish and insulting behavior.  I also find the "you squealed on me to the moderators" accusations juvenile.   If someone reported you to the moderators, they would not have said anything unless they beleived that there was a violation in the forum's rules.   If someone gets a warning from the moderators on a post that they made, it is the fault of the person making that post.   Adults accept responsibility for their actions. 

 

By the way, still waiting on the difference between the "sexual revolution" and the "sexuality revolution".

[wannamaker]

You really wish to know about that diggerence open another thread

[carl1970]

I loved the British Comedy "Are You Being Served" . Ran from 1972-1983 I believe.

Penny in no way should go out with Sheldon. They have no interest nor any desire to be in a romantic relationship. It makes no sense to put or force them to be together because it's not what the characters want. Sheldon and Penny have made their decisions known of who they want to be with in a relationship.