Penny should go out with Sheldon

[Nogravitasatall]

I loved the British Comedy "Are You Being Served" . Ran from 1972-1983 I believe.

Penny in no way should go out with Sheldon. They have no interest nor any desire to be in a romantic relationship. It makes no sense to put or force them to be together because it's not what the characters want. Sheldon and Penny have made their decisions known of who they want to be with in a relationship.

I keep saying that. How does that point get missed? It would take hot needles in the brain to change them. Who wants that?

[Lionne]

I keep saying that. How does that point get missed? It would take hot needles in the brain to change them. Who wants that?

 

They're called Shenny shippers.

[bigbangsheldon]

Let's face the cold hard truth, no matter how much you explain how Shenny will work, or how much you explain how Shenny won't work. You will never change someones opinion on here on who they ship. 

[phantagrae]

I know this is so weird, I tried to explain to Phantagrae that British humour is different, that most Americans don't 'get' it.  And it resulted in Rick not 'getting' you. And it turns into the same superior/inferior argument, which I do not understand at all. It's not better or worse; it's different and I like witty British humour!

It's not a matter of Americans not getting British humor. I've always watched a lot of British TV--both comedies and dramas. The difference between British and American humor has nothing to do with gago's comments not being convincing to Rick or me or anyone else. That argument is simply gago's way of trying to disguise the lack of logic in his discourse.

[phantagrae]

I think some things don't cross cultural boundaries well. We do find it strange that Americans often remake programmes, and films, so that their audience will get them. I'm a big fan of Pedro Almodovar's films, and find it almost insulting that they are remade. I've also had some problems with Americans not understanding the way I use language. Maybe it's indicative, that in the future we should be a little more tolerant. Do you ever stray down into the underwhelmingly entitled 'chit chat'? Some of us are trying to develop the community. You're input would be appreciated.

When Americans remake British shows it's mostly to put them in cultural context--the hood of the car, as opposed to the bonnet, etc.--and political aspects, etc, or American law, for instance.

And judging by your use of language here, I don't think your problems being understood have to do with American vs British use of language. I think it has to do with your incoherent illogic and then when you can't make a sensible point, you insist that it's just because you're so much more clever than everyone who disagrees with you.

[Nogravitasatall]

Let's face the cold hard truth, no matter how much you explain how Shenny will work, or how much you explain how Shenny won't work. You will never change someones opinion on here on who they ship.

Yeah. I know. I had trouble with letting go some things from s1-s3, but now the weight of history is what it is. TBBT is telling a fairly linear story, albeit a rather protracted one, as necessitated by the format and commercial imperatives. They are also exercising their artistic skills and creating a body of work that is reasonably coherent. I sort of feel Gaqo may be a proponent of a form of Dadaism, but I only have that impression, because I am not truly informed in such things. But the artists should be allowed to create as is their wont. I do not understand, and I say this without trying to show anything but my incomprehension, how one stands next to Michealenglo and say make David a lot older and of granite or look over James Joyce's shoulder and say, nah, call it Odysseus and set it in Portsmouth. I can sort of imagine the Monty Python skit wherein this might occur.

But there are many things I don't know. I also don't know that TBBT will ring down the ages like those exemplars. I do know these are probably absurd comparatives, but then this is something of an absurdist haunt. I know too I'm maybe taking a bit of a leap to be calling this creative art. I just hope nobody strokes out over this topic. Umm lol. :)

Edited July 7, 2013 by DogBoy (p.t.)

[Martin Pollard]

And judging by your use of language here, I don't think your problems being understood have to do with American vs British use of language. I think it has to do with your incoherent illogic and then when you can't make a sensible point, you insist that it's just because you're so much more clever than everyone who disagrees with you.

 

To put it in plain language: he acts like an arrogant a**, and when called on his behavior, he acts all superior, accuses us of not "getting it," and blames everyone else for the trouble he's caused. That's not the behavior of someone who's interested in healthy debate and rational discourse; on the contrary, it's the behavior of someone who feels he's superior to everyone else and won't accept the possibility that he might be wrong in his beliefs and that others might be right.

[Moonbase]

Let's face the cold hard truth, no matter how much you explain how Shenny will work, or how much you explain how Shenny won't work. You will never change someones opinion on here on who they ship. 

 

Never a truer word. No one ever changes their mind this way. This forum is becoming shippers guarding their ships. We went through exactly the same thing on this forum a year and a half ago. Rick argued with a shenny shipper for about 6 months! Anyone remember cbolt?!

Edited July 7, 2013 by Moonbase

[Nogravitasatall]

Never a truer word. No one ever changes their mind this way. This forum is becoming shippers guarding their ships. We went through exactly the same thing on this forum a year and a half ago. Rick argued with a shenny shipper for about 6 months! Anyone remember cbolt?!

Just before my time i think.

Some times it's just contrarianism. But I'm prepared to argue about that. LOL

[BlackWhiteRose]

I remember cbolt. I kinda miss that person *LOL* I don`t know why its weird.

 

And I agree with bigbangsheldon.

[mjc45]

remember cbolt--YES

 

there was some heated battles

pages after pages

[rickfromillinois]

Cbolt stated that Penny was a goddess many times, and he literally believed that she could do nothing wrong.   That is not an exageration.   He also felt that Leonard could not do anything right.  Literally.  I came to the conclusion that he had a crush on Penny and was insanely jealous of anyone she got close to.

[rickfromillinois]

The TPTB of the show have on numerous occassions stated that they will not have Sheldon and Penny getting together, ever.    They have said that they find it not a good idea, expressed their surprise that anyone would think that it was a good idea, and one of the actors said that they thought that the idea was disgusting.  A bad idea in the name of being something different or artistic is still a bad idea.  On another line, perhaps we should make this a "safe" zone where we can bravely whine and complain about other people.  Maybe not.  The adults can post here. 

Edited July 9, 2013 by rickfromillinois

[Spaced_up]

The TPTB of the show have on numerous occassions stated that they will not have Sheldon and Penny getting together, ever. They have said that they find it not a good idea, expressed their surprise that anyone would think that it was a good idea, and one of the actors said that they thought that the idea was disgusting. A bad idea in the name of being something different or artistic is still a bad idea. On another line, perhaps we should make this a "safe" zone where we can bravely whine and complain about other people. Maybe not. The adults can post here.

 

Have they? I have seen things where Chuck express surprise about the idea but I haven't seen an absolute declaration. I don't think I ever saw anyone say it was 'disgusting' either.

[Spaced_up]

The only comment I can find:

 

"Part of what’s wonderful and unique about [sheldon] is he has chosen not to play in the relationship game either way — heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual, any sexuality," Lorre said. "He has said, ‘This is not for me. I’m a scientist. All I’m interested in is science and what George Lucas thinks.’ We’ve stumbled into creating a character who has chosen a lifestyle for himself that is unique. And I don’t see any reason to modify it."

 

Well Chuck Lorre have completely backtracked on this declaration about Sheldon.

[BlackWhiteRose]

He really backtracked it? Aha.

Well thats his business.

 

 

Anyway: This thread puzzles me.

We´re  going around in circles and this will never end....

Edited July 9, 2013 by BlackWhiteRose

[rachelshamyfan]

It will never end because one is a ship (shamy)and the other isn't (shenny) but we can't change people's minds if that is what they really believe in

[rickfromillinois]

I am sorry, what Kaley said was "that's just a nightmare waiting to explode" insisted Cuoco, "That relationship is not happening".  (Digitalspy interview).

[Nogravitasatall]

I'm trying to think of a parallel relationship that has worked in commercial television and I fail. I can't see the character motivations for the pairing either.

Also Gaqo, I'm not sure if the right way to persuade people is to argue about the abstract rightness of the audience's artistic aspirations, in this case the Shenny (as a collective noun). I, for myself, have some trouble with the popular notion of borrowing characters and reimagining them. I discovered this when Philip Jose Farmer did this with in the "The Other Log of Phileas Fogg", in the 1970's and the mash up perturbed me then, but the characters were in the public domain. Heinlein borrowed from himself, but they were his books. Maybe I'm not caught up with post-modernism or C21.

I am enjoying the canonesque works of ff, if that's the term, but something about the fandom AU works unsettles me. To insist on the validity of what the audience wants could be pandering to that audience, rather than being true to the thought and process that created the original work. If the creator makes something, to some extent surely, for art's sake the audience has to just lump it or leave it.

This uninformed post may make no sense, as ever. I wait to be informed, as ever, too.

Edited July 10, 2013 by DogBoy (p.t.)

[rickfromillinois]

The point that I keep trying to make is that the show is an expression of the creator's and writer's imagination and their artistic view of art.  There may be some passing similarities between this and other shows, but this show is in fact unique.  Something that seems to be overlooked by some, is that the show still needs to be concerned with ratings or everyone associated with it will soon be looking for new jobs.  Yes, there are many people who want to see Sheldon and Penny get together.   There are many more who are opposed to the idea.   The accusation that somehow TPTB of the show are being forced by the Network to have Leonard and Penny become a couple is ludicrous.  It was apparent from the pilot show that it was Leonard and Penny that were going to become the main couple, and that was the intention of the creator's of the show. 

[Spaced_up]

I am sorry, what Kaley said was "that's just a nightmare waiting to explode" insisted Cuoco, "That relationship is not happening".  (Digitalspy interview).

 

I keep seeing posts on this forum that claim the writers have definitively denied shenny to the fans. I accept Kaley is not behind the idea by that quote but no one has said it was disgusting anywhere. Nor has there been a declaration by the writers. Don't get me wrong, I don't think they are setting Sheldon and Penny up, they seem to be separately them further but as for a definate denial by the powers that be, I can't find it.

 

This is Kaleys quote in full which makes me a little sad but even she though it might come close.

 

"I know fans want that, but that's just a nightmare waiting to explode," insisted Cuoco. "[That relationship] is not happening! They're gonna come this close, but it's never gonna happen!"

[BlackWhiteRose]

Yes and thats Kaley`s personal opinion. Everybody is entitled to her/his opinion including Mrs Cuoco.

So whatever Kaley thinks we all love her don`t we?

And I found the interview. Here is the link: http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/57512106.html (it was in Season 4 when they did that so its an older interview)

Edited July 10, 2013 by BlackWhiteRose

[Spaced_up]

Yes and thats Kaley`s personal opinion. Everybody is entitled to her/his opinion including Mrs Cuoco.

So whatever Kaley thinks we all love her don`t we?

And I found the interview. Here is the link: http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/57512106.html (it was in Season 4 when they did that so its an older interview)

 

It was March so it's late season 4. I would have thought it was older, still interesting.

[BlackWhiteRose]

Yeah I was a little surprised too that that interview is so old  but as a read the name Priya I knew it only could have been from Season 4.

Edited July 10, 2013 by BlackWhiteRose

[rickfromillinois]

So it was in season 4 so it is so old that they might have changed their minds?   Are we watching the same show?   Does it look to anyone that Amy is going to dump Sheldon?   Does anyone seriously think that Leonard is going to say good-bye to Penny and take off for India to try to make up with Priya?  Is there any polls out there that shows that a majority of the fans thinks it's a good idea for Penny and Sheldon to get together?   Is Sheldon going to suddenly be interested in Penny's view point on things?  Is Penny going to suddenly think it is cute to be constantly belittled by her boyfriend?   I don't think so.