Is Jim Parsons gay?

[annieogly]

Well said :-)

 

Monique

 

Arg, unless there are other gay people here besides me, let me tell you that for women there is such a thing as sexual fluidity. They marry men, have families and later in life have female partners. I've met a few women who told me this and there are tons of articles on this very subject. I tend to agree with Freud that people are naturally bisexual and in today's culture women are permitted to experiment with same sex relationships with no problem unlike men.

 

And actually Monique being on the down low is the saddest thing for the black gay community, the anti-gay attitude makes life very difficult, if more black gay men and women [ do you hear me Queen Latifah] came out it would be very helpful in dispelling homophobia. Ellen coming out made a huge difference for lesbians and certainly for me to see a prominent happy successful out lesbian was a huge factor [well The L Word really helped;-] in my coming out.

 

Jim is gay and I wish he could talk about Todd in the same normal regular way someone mentions a boyfriend/girlfriend, spouse. As a part of one's life..

[MJistheBOMB]

Arg, unless there are other gay people here besides me, let me tell you that for women there is such a thing as sexual fluidity. They marry men, have families and later in life have female partners. I've met a few women who told me this and there are tons of articles on this very subject. I tend to agree with Freud that people are naturally bisexual and in today's culture women are permitted to experiment with same sex relationships with no problem unlike men.

 

And actually Monique being on the down low is the saddest thing for the black gay community, the anti-gay attitude makes life very difficult, if more black gay men and women [ do you hear me Queen Latifah] came out it would be very helpful in dispelling homophobia. Ellen coming out made a huge difference for lesbians and certainly for me to see a prominent happy successful out lesbian was a huge factor [well The L Word really helped;-] in my coming out.

 

Jim is gay and I wish he could talk about Todd in the same normal regular way someone mentions a boyfriend/girlfriend, spouse. As a part of one's life..

WTF????? I'm not saying he should hide being gay! Good, Lord.... I'm not even gonna waste by breath...

Monique

[MJistheBOMB]

BTW, Jim isn't black.

Monique

[Guest I'm not dead Cheryl]

I just want him to show off Todd a bit more. Todd is a cutie!

[MJistheBOMB]

Now that I've cooled off a bit....LOL.

The entire point of what I said is that people, gay or straight, have a right to keep certain aspects of their lives private. If Jim isn't ready to start talking about it then he doesn't have to.

The other point I was making is the importance of privacy in relationships. I know co-workers who are in relationships. Some are in relationships and you would never even know it because they choose not to share. They have that right. Plus, there are some perks to not revealing every little detail of our relationships...that's all I'm saying.

Jim is a beautiful person. He doesn't have to make a huge deal and publicly come out if he doesn't fucking want to.

Annieology, I've lost respect for you. Not only do you insult me by saying that I think he should keep the fact that he's gay quiet...you also use racial stereotyping to prove your point.

If some of you feel it's so important for Jim to be more open about his relationship with Todd when he's not yet ready to reveal anything, then that's your damn problem. I will continue to love him for who he is and respect his current wishes to remain quiet.

Monique

Edited December 13, 2012 by MJistheBOMB

[AdorkablyMe]

I understand both sides of this. On one side you have folks from the LGBTQ community wishing he would make somewhat of a big deal about his sexual orientation, b/c they feel that gay celebs have this "responsibility" to come out loud and proud, and be a good role model for everyone else struggling w/ coming out to their family and friends. On the other hand, people understand him wanting to keep his personal life somewhat private, and not making a big deal out of it. For me, I completely respect his decision to not discuss his supposed relationship w/ Todd during his interviews. He'll talk about it when/if he's ready to do so. As long as he isn't denying being gay (assuming he actually is), then I have no problem w/ it. That being said, I'm an out lesbian, and I have no problem discussing my sexual orientation w/ others. It's nice to see that the homophobia seems to be at a minimum here. That's more than I can say about where I live. I'm from Texas...need I say more?

[Shamyfan]

I would also love to see Jim an Todd together at events. It makes me happy. BUT it's Jim's choice to do that.

If he wishes to talk about Todd and take pics of both of them in public like NPH and David Burtkas more power to them

If Jim wants to be more reserved with Todd. That's their thing. Maybe Todd doesn't want to w in the public eye, maybe Jim is protecting him

We don't know, it's between them.

Maybe one day Jim will talk about Todd to the public.

We can't make someone do something they don't want to do or not comfortable with.

I never want to silence someones voice or not come out. I helped my brother come out. In our Hispanic culture, it's still kinda taboo. He never came out to our mother before she passed away. He was terrified to tell our mother he was gay. He finally came out to us after she passed. I wish he could reveal who is really was to our family but before she left.

He is way happier since he came out. He still kinda hides it from certain family members because they are homophobic and ignorant.

Which is sad but I understand.

There is alot of ignorant ppl in the world.

I'm from Texas also...need I say more about how ignorant texans can be. I'm more liberal than alot ppl around here.

Edited December 13, 2012 by Shamyfan

[annieogly]

Monique, I realize you're a kind non-homophobic straight person, and that you think 'hey let people do what they want', which is the way it should be. As Adorkable and Shamyfan wrote in a lot of cultures people keep silent and homophobia persists. Guess what, I loathe 'advertising' my sexuality, I have no desire to put on a rainbow scarf or ring which publically shouts 'I sleep with girls.' But I do put them on when I travel by bus (big hispanic crowd on public transport) and go to my 98% Asian uni badminton club. For the latter it's very important as I also put on my uni t shirt and play with my elderly father: education and family are huge Asian cultural values & I'm embodying them in my club as an out gay woman. I've received a lot of grateful looks from the closeted Chinese players and hope this will help actively overcome homophobia & ignorance. The first time I put on my scarf it was horrible but I told myself; it's time to put on your big girl panties, if Ellen can do it you can. And I did.

[MJistheBOMB]

It's okay, I understand. I just thought it was unfair that I was immediately thrown into a group of black people who think that gays should stay in the closet. That's basically what I understood from what you wrote and that is hurtful. If all cultures go through having issues coming out then there should be no separation between us PERIOD. We are all ONE. All of us has something special to offer the world and it's about damn time we start uplifting ourselves and each other.

Monique

[Moonbase]

There are no gay guys here, or at least none who want to make it known. It could be that they, like Jim don't feel the need to mention it. From my experience online discussions rarely change peoples opinions anyway. I'm fluid and haven't till now, although my posts are quite open. I made an innocent comment to a male poster recently who took it the wrong way and felt the need to tell me what he would do if a gay guy overstepped the mark with him. I replied that he was in no danger of it (the cheek!). Annie replied that I was being droll but I was pretty offended by his comment TBH and it reminded me how scary it can get if you are a gay guy.

I was reading an interview with Sir Ian McKellen, who plays Gandalf in LOTRs. He didn't come out until he was 50. He said a lot of actors just don't bother because it impedes their career. Directors don't want to cast an openly gay actor in a straight role because if the audience know they are gay, they judge the performance. He said hollywood (and I imagine American TV) is an old fashioned institution. It's not like the theatre where Jim's acting background comes from. The theatre is open and encourages differences. Whereas hollywood is behind the times in its view not just of gay people but women and black people as well. He now champions gay, lesbian and bisexual awareness through Stonewall in the UK. Things will change, keep wearing that scarf.

[nerdywordy]

Gay?  Not gay?  Who cares?  Those that make this thread keep going are making a bigger deal out of it than anyone.  I say no one on this earth other than Jim and God know FOR SURE so stop acting as its a FACT!  That shit pisses me off most.  Until he literally says the words 'I'm gay.' its NOT a fact.  As much as its none of our business, its also none of your business to post so called 'facts' til it becomes a fact.

 

I have several reasons for being certain but here's the best one I can think of that wouldn't be an invasion of anyone's privacy to share:

 

http://ec.libsyn.com/p/3/b/c/3bc12edf169e9d22/BlossomShort.mp3?d13a76d516d9dec20c3d276ce028ed5089ab1ce3dae902ea1d01cd8233d2c0590887&c_id=5142700

 

Fast-forward to 12:55. I too distrust journalists, but I see no reason to think that Mayim would take part in a media conspiracy to pretend Jim were gay if he wasn't.

Edited December 13, 2012 by nerdywordy

[annieogly]

There are no gay guys here, or at least none who want to make it known. It could be that they, like Jim don't feel the need to mention it. From my experience online discussions rarely change peoples opinions anyway. I'm fluid and haven't till now, although my posts are quite open. I made an innocent comment to a male poster recently who took it the wrong way and felt the need to tell me what he would do if a gay guy overstepped the mark with him. I replied that he was in no danger of it (the cheek!). Annie replied that I was being droll but I was pretty offended by his comment TBH and it reminded me how scary it can get if you are a gay guy.

I was reading an interview with Sir Ian McKellen, who plays Gandalf in LOTRs. He didn't come out until he was 50. He said a lot of actors just don't bother because it impedes their career. Directors don't want to cast an openly gay actor in a straight role because if the audience know they are gay, they judge the performance. He said hollywood (and I imagine American TV) is an old fashioned institution. It's not like the theatre where Jim's acting background comes from. The theatre is open and encourages differences. Whereas hollywood is behind the times in its view not just of gay people but women and black people as well. He now champions gay, lesbian and bisexual awareness through Stonewall in the UK. Things will change, keep wearing that scarf.

 @Monique, I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings, I never meant to imply that just because you are African-American you feel a certain way. No way, people react differently in different ways. I wish role models like Condozleeza Rice would come out as it really does help. But I do understand.

 

Moonbase, I forget the scaryness of male homophobia and good on you coming out as sexually fluid   Society needs a big kick in the pants this way. Men get freaked out as they aren't given a pass like women are if they have a same sex affair. Why not?  A minority of people are born gay maybe 10%, the rest labelled 'straight' are straight/sexually fluid. In ancient Greece and Rome, before Christianity men had relationships equally with men and women, it was the norm. There wasn't even a word for it, 'homosexuality' was a term invented by the  Victorians. The whole gay vs straight binary is just invented....

 

Hollywood indeed is behind the times, but the writers are liberals, so that helps. I feel for male actors who hide, are afraid they'll be forever typecast as gay men and not allowed to be m/f leading men. It's ridiculous and so sexist. I don't expect to change people's minds in a forum, what I hope to do is give the person who is hiding his/her sexuality a feeling that they are not alone & that society is indeed changing. Now when I put on my rainbow scarf I don't think twice & I've worn it all over Budapest too. I'm so happy and I want to support others too.

[Kiru Breezy]

Annie....you have issues.

 

Go Monique!

[Ar Diem]

Why would I ever need to know?  JP is nothing to me.  We aren't related and we are not friends.  I know absolutely nothing about his personal life and I have no need to know anything.  He is just some guy that occasionally shows up on my TV and entertains me and that is something that many people have done before him, do at the same time as him, and will do it long after this show is cancelled.

 

He identified his talent and makes a living with it.  I respect that but it doesn't make him special.   I did the same thing in my career.  If he ever wants to know my sexuality I will tell him.

Edited December 13, 2012 by Ar Diem

[annieogly]

Annie....you have issues.

 

Go Monique!

 

Kiru; What kind of issues do you think I have. Please tell me

[Shamyfan]

Lets not be ugly to each other.

We all admire Jim and that's that

[Kiru Breezy]

Jim can do no wrong in my eyes...let him be. He does what he likes and what he's comfortable with...who am I to complain or judge? More power to u Jim!

[Shel_Ra_Ho_Le]

All those messages after mine were 'I think', 'i guess', 'I'm certain' those are not factual there and some before were posting like 'I know' 'its a fact', and have absolutely no 'proof' nor is there anywhere online.  Its all speculation, therefore I say once again, we as an audience do not know for sure anything about his private life.  Nor should we care but what bugs me most is when people point that out or make a big deal out of it regardless.  Who cares?  It doesn't effect your life, it doesn't effect my life. I said ' believe' which as also not factual.  To the blind eye Todd could be just part of his professional team too you know.    

[Guest I'm not dead Cheryl]

Todd is mine. Sorry, Jim!

[MJistheBOMB]

Todd is mine. Sorry, Jim!

_________

 

I'm tellin' Jim on you next taping I go to. It ain't gonna be easy but I'm sure gonna try to get his attention. LOL!

 

 

Anyway, Annie...thanks for the apology.

 

Monique

Edited December 14, 2012 by MJistheBOMB

[annieogly]

All those messages after mine were 'I think', 'i guess', 'I'm certain' those are not factual there and some before were posting like 'I know' 'its a fact', and have absolutely no 'proof' nor is there anywhere online.  Its all speculation, therefore I say once again, we as an audience do not know for sure anything about his private life.  Nor should we care but what bugs me most is when people point that out or make a big deal out of it regardless.  Who cares?  It doesn't effect your life, it doesn't effect my life. I said ' believe' which as also not factual.  To the blind eye Todd could be just part of his professional team too you know.    

 

And this is why we need people to come out explicitly. I spent years in the closet a victim of my own internalized homophobia, I wish I could get my high school and college years back; dating and parties and having fun with girls, instead of what I did; finding another closeted gay guy and pretending.... I'll never get those years back but I can help someone else...

 

@thank you Monique, I'll be more careful when I write in the future, more sensitive

[nerdywordy]

All those messages after mine were 'I think', 'i guess', 'I'm certain' those are not factual there and some before were posting like 'I know' 'its a fact', and have absolutely no 'proof' nor is there anywhere online.  Its all speculation, therefore I say once again, we as an audience do not know for sure anything about his private life.  Nor should we care but what bugs me most is when people point that out or make a big deal out of it regardless.  Who cares?  It doesn't effect your life, it doesn't effect my life. I said ' believe' which as also not factual.  To the blind eye Todd could be just part of his professional team too you know.    

 

Did you listen to the Mayim interview I linked to and decide even that is not good enough reason for anyone to have been sure about it? Or did you choose not to listen to the interview despite it being easy to skip to the precise point I directed you to? Either way, the result is you're making it look like you really, REALLY don't want to shake your last doubts that Jim is gay, for whatever reason. Which would explain why you're displaying classic signs of projection: passionately insisting that you don't care whether or not he's gay, and accusing everybody else of being the ones who care too much, despite you being the only person a) talking about that "is he/isn't he" question at all (those of us believing he is, actually don't care and that's the whole reason we're able to instead comment on the separation of personal and public life in the context of Jim's particular situation just as people do regarding any actor of interest) and b ) expressing a tonne of raw emotion as if it very much does affect you personally.

Edited December 14, 2012 by nerdywordy

[AdorkablyMe]

Fascinating.

[nerdywordy]

Society needs a big kick in the pants this way. Men get freaked out as they aren't given a pass like women are if they have a same sex affair. Why not?  A minority of people are born gay maybe 10%, the rest labelled 'straight' are straight/sexually fluid. In ancient Greece and Rome, before Christianity men had relationships equally with men and women, it was the norm. There wasn't even a word for it, 'homosexuality' was a term invented by the  Victorians. The whole gay vs straight binary is just invented....

 

*Off-topic*

 

Well, kind of. There are other examples of times and places where there seem to have been no taboos against same-sex relationships, but pre-Christian Greece and Rome had such complicated and varied attitudes towards male homosexuality that using them to draw conclusions about the true rate of same-sex attraction in humans is problematic. In ancient Greece, young men were expected to form a specific kind of temporary relationship with a teenage boy that involved sex in exchange for teaching him to be the ideal Greek man, but it was a custom, with a social purpose. Concluding most Greeks were bisexual is like concluding that in countries where everyone gets married to someone of the opposite sex, everyone is straight. The younger was not expected to particularly enjoy it, and while genuine homosexual attraction appears to have been quite acceptable, it was believed that usually the older ones were using their partner's less mature body as an acceptable substitute for those of women they weren't married to. The Greeks were also VERY keen on enforcing male gender norms (the worst thing for a man was to do anything more commonly associated with women, so they did not need Christianity's influence to have taboos about people we would call transgendered, or even moderately gender nonconforming), and as a result, penetration was frowned upon for "feminising" the boy, same-age same-sex relationships were much less common as they were more threatening to the gender role of each partner than the pederasty model was, and men who allowed themselves to be penetrated by other adult men were mocked in the same tone that they are in modern cultures.

 

What it might well suggest though, is that the repulsion to male-to-male sexual activity reported by the majority of straight men, is at least partly caused by social conditioning. If it were really that common and powerful without the influence of culture, it's got to be unlikely that the ancient Greeks would have developed the custom and expected the kind of benefits that they did.

Edited December 14, 2012 by nerdywordy

[annieogly]

*Off-topic*

 

Well, kind of. There are other examples of times and places where there seem to have been no taboos against same-sex relationships, but pre-Christian Greece and Rome had such complicated and varied attitudes towards male homosexuality that using them to draw conclusions about the true rate of same-sex attraction in humans is problematic. In ancient Greece, young men were expected to form a specific kind of temporary relationship with a teenage boy that involved sex in exchange for teaching him to be the ideal Greek man, but it was a custom, with a social purpose. Concluding most Greeks were bisexual is like concluding that in countries where everyone gets married to someone of the opposite sex, everyone is straight. The younger was not expected to particularly enjoy it, and while genuine homosexual attraction appears to have been quite acceptable, it was believed that usually the older ones were using their partner's less mature body as an acceptable substitute for those of women they weren't married to. The Greeks were also VERY keen on enforcing male gender norms (the worst thing for a man was to do anything more commonly associated with women, so they did not need Christianity's influence to have taboos about people we would call transgendered, or even moderately gender nonconforming), and as a result, penetration was frowned upon for "feminising" the boy, same-age same-sex relationships were much less common as they were more threatening to the gender role of each partner than the pederasty model was, and men who allowed themselves to be penetrated by other adult men were mocked in the same tone that they are in modern cultures.

 

What it might well suggest though, is that the repulsion to male-to-male sexual activity reported by the majority of straight men, is at least partly caused by social conditioning. If it were really that common and powerful without the influence of culture, it's got to be unlikely that the ancient Greeks would have developed the custom and expected the kind of benefits that they did.

 

Ancient Greece isn't my field but after I made a post on the castrated transvestite priests of Magna Mater (Cybele) in ancient Rome on another thread I remembered.  Rome too enforced male gender norms & loathed 'feminising.' They regarded these priests with horror, at least the establishment writers did. And that's the point, other writers mention that these priests, the Galli, were extremely popular as lovers among both men and women. So what we can take away is the establishment wants to put one cultural view forward of gender norms: masculinity good; femininity bad, weak etc but the reality is quite different. So yes, I think we can say that people engaged in same-sex relations and many enjoyed them. Men also would marry men in ancient Rome, it was so common that the establishment writers wrote about it (disapprovingly).