Is Penny a Slut like Sheldon claims

[EHDion]

Good point, Leonard's scores are Bond girls quality so even though he didn't score often, he seriously scored when he did.

 

On the show Penny's sexual history is mainly talk. What we have seen has been very modest, mainly Leonard. If you make a time line her sluttiness does not add up.

 

In season one, the then 21 year old Penny had just come from a four year relationship with Kurt so we will assume she was faithful for that time. She had men (Kurt and Mike) who took advantage of her where Leonard came to her emotional rescue.

 

She complained in the second season about not having sex for six month. Dave the scientist once again was a man who used her followed by another knight in shining armor moment from L. We saw only one guy that I remember that she used to make L jealous on his date with Leslie, then she dated the harmless Stewart.

 

In season three she jumped Leonard after he was away for three months in the North pole then only had him after that for most of the year. There was Zack in Season three but that led to sex with Leonard.

 

Most of season four was pining for L and having to have Amy and Bernie take her out to find a "heiny to bite". Zack in season four was just a date for New years eve that led to more pining for L.

 

Season five did not even have much talk about her sex life at all, except the attempt by Raj. When she did reunite with L, they did not have sex for four months.

 

The writers have been trying to "slut" Penny up without giving much evidence to the viewers that would make her unsympathetic. Giving the reputation they have painted by words, Penny would have had plenty of times when she could be having flings when unattached to Leonard. But she really does not "cheat" on him even when they are not together.

 

 

You are omitting the number of men that Sheldon said had spent the night at her apartment and his hypothesis as to how many men she had sex with. A number that she didn't dispute after thinking about it by the way. It would appear that your standard is that if they don't actually show it visually on the program it didn't happen.

 

 

What I meant was summed up in my final paragraph. Penny may have had as many men as is claimed by Sheldon but they have made it all "talk". The producers and writers have carefully edited what is shown as evidence. This is the old double standard at work.

 

Leonard, who is presented as an almost virginal sexual loser, gets more action then any character on the show. Sometimes you feel he is Alan Harper of "Two and a Half Men" another Lorre character who is scorned as a loser while scoring semi-regularly. We have seen Leonard in sexual situations with:

 

- Joyce Kim

- Leslie

- Stephanie

- Penny

- Dr. Elizabeth Plimpton

- The rich "grant" patron

- Priya

- Alice (not consummated)

 

Hurray for Leonard !!

 

Penny is talked about as if she turned semi-pro in High School but the evidence that we are allowed to see of her sex life is:

 

- Leonard

- Raj (not consummated)

 

The best example of why this dichotomy exists is the reaction at the end of season 4 when the fans thought she slept with Raj. Because Penny is a woman who the fans want with Leonard, they can talk about how slutty she is all they want, but they better not show it.

[Stephen Hawking]

Well, she didn't argue with his assessment of 130 or so men she's been with.

Actually, 193 was how many men, Sheldon calculated Penny had dated.

Sheldon calculated Penny had had 30.96 sexual partners, which he rounded up to 31.

I thought it was fitting she choose to confide in her after the Raj fiasco.

Actually, Penny didn't confide in Amy.

Amy heard about it from somewhere else.

From the Skank Reflex Analysis:-

Penny: You heard what I did?

Amy: Well, I heard who you did.

Edited July 4, 2015 by Stephen Hawking

[JohnPhD]

On 15/08/2012 at 3:20 PM, BangerMain said:

 

 

What I meant was summed up in my final paragraph. Penny may have had as many men as is claimed by Sheldon but they have made it all "talk". The producers and writers have carefully edited what is shown as evidence. This is the old double standard at work.

 

Leonard, who is presented as an almost virginal sexual loser, gets more action then any character on the show. Sometimes you feel he is Alan Harper of "Two and a Half Men" another Lorre character who is scorned as a loser while scoring semi-regularly. We have seen Leonard in sexual situations with:

 

- Joyce Kim

- Leslie

- Stephanie

- Penny

- Dr. Elizabeth Plimpton

- The rich "grant" patron

- Priya

- Alice (not consummated)

 

Hurray for Leonard !!

 

Penny is talked about as if she turned semi-pro in High School but the evidence that we are allowed to see of her sex life is:

 

- Leonard

- Raj (not consummated)

 

The best example of why this dichotomy exists is the reaction at the end of season 4 when the fans thought she slept with Raj. Because Penny is a woman who the fans want with Leonard, they can talk about how slutty she is all they want, but they better not show it.

Funnily enough, Leonard never went out looking for sex. He met all these women through his nerd friends and activities or his work (I assume Joyce Kim sought him out because she knew about the rocket fuel). And most of them made the first move. In fact I think L tok the initiative with Penny more than with any other.

[Andy_90's_generation]

HA! a little loose.... Uhumm... Yeah, a young adult woman better not have fun while shes single, Oh no!... Please...

[Stephen Hawking]

12 minutes ago, Andy_90's_generation said:

HA! a little loose.... Uhumm... Yeah, a young adult woman better not have fun while shes single, Oh no!... Please...

There's a difference between having fun, and being, to quote Amy and Bernadette in Prom Equivalency, "slutty" and "easy".

How long did she know David Underhill, before she slept with him?

[Andy_90's_generation]

2 hours ago, Stephen Hawking said:

There's a difference between having fun, and being, to quote Amy and Bernadette in Prom Equivalency, "slutty" and "easy".

How long did she know David Underhill, before she slept with him?

If a woman is " easy" or knows little to nothing a potencial lover and still decides to sleep with them, is her problem. There is no right to put a label to someone when it comes to a private, intimate matter as one's sexual life. If it is legal and consensual, whats the problem? 

The writers' prejudices came through in that scene by making even penny doubt if she was a "slut" or not. It would have been a nice touch of open-mindedness and tolerance to make penny say 'if i did (slept with so many men), so what?" That'd have been the right reaction. That's what i think, anyway. It's my view of things.

[Stephen Hawking]

5 minutes ago, Andy_90's_generation said:

There is no right to put a label to someone when it comes to a private, intimate matter as one's sexual life.  If it is legal and consensual, whats the problem?

Even when the person she chooses to sleep with, is married?

Edited March 27, 2016 by Stephen Hawking

[mjc45]

she did not know at the time he was married.

she broken it off, as soon she found out.

he had a picture of his wife on his phone (naked)

[JohnPhD]

2 hours ago, Stephen Hawking said:

There's a difference between having fun, and being, to quote Amy and Bernadette in Prom Equivalency, "slutty" and "easy".

 

I'm rather surprised at the "slut-shaming" on this site. When Penny was younger, when she wasn't "in a relationship" she treated sex as an innocent pleasure. Why shouldn't she? (She probably could have run into danger, but that's not the issue). As for sex-starved Amy's nasty remarks, I can't understand why Penny tolerated her. Amy's character can be interpreted by assuming that under her creepy crush on Penny there's a lot of jealousy of Penny's attractiveness and popularity, as well as the accumulated resentment against "prom-queen" types from her miserable school days. That would explain a lot of her behaviour.

Penny's night with Raj has been rather fully discussed on another thread. The bottom line is that Penny was probably too drunk to know what she was doing. I don't know about California, but in the UK that makes it (attempted) rape. (Search for Ched Evans for an example). And note Evans's victim got drunk in Evans's hotel room, whereas Penny was in 4A, where she should have been safe. The aftermath shows again that Amy is a false friend to Penny. A friend would have reassured Penny that she wasn't to blame, in fact she was a rape victim, and denounced Raj (I'd have liked to see him bricking it). Instead, Amy called her a skank. Some friend.

[Stephen Hawking]

12 minutes ago, JohnPhD said:

As for sex-starved Amy's nasty remarks, I can't understand why Penny tolerated her.

Actually, in Prom Equivalency, Amy and Bernadette were answering Penny's question:-

Penny: That, believe it or not, is my prom dress.

Bernadette: Wow, you still have it? I just assumed it was balled up in the corner of a barn somewhere.

Penny: What kind of teenager did you think I was?

Bernadette: Slutty.

Amy: Easy.

Penny: The word is popular.

If anybody was having a dig, it was Bernadette, with her comment about Penny's Prom Dress.

To paraphrase Howard, "Bernadette started it, Amy just piled on."

12 minutes ago, JohnPhD said:

Amy called her a skank. friend.

Actually, what she said was, Penny shouldn't blame herself, and "the skank reflex" was a term neurobiologists use, to describe Penny's desire for intimacy:-

Amy: You can’t blame yourself. When your prefrontal cortex fails to make you happy, promiscuity rewards you with the needed flood of dopamine. We neurobiologists refer to this as the skank reflex.

Edited March 27, 2016 by Stephen Hawking

[JohnPhD]

5 minutes ago, Stephen Hawking said:

Actually, in Prom Equivalency, Amy and Bernadette were answering Penny's question:-

Penny: That, believe it or not, is my prom dress.

Bernadette: Wow, you still have it? I just assumed it was balled up in the corner of a barn somewhere.

Penny: What kind of teenager did you think I was?

Bernadette: Slutty.

Amy: Easy.

Penny: The word is popular.

Yes, Bernadette's also got a damn cheek. What makes either of them think they're entitled to speak to Penny like that. Of course, Penny was silly to ask the question after B's rude remark. Should have frozen her out.

Edited March 27, 2016 by JohnPhD
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[Andy_90's_generation]

4 hours ago, Stephen Hawking said:

Even when the person she chooses to sleep with, is married?

She didn't put a gun to his head. If we are going to say shes a slut cus she slept with a married man, then whats the man, that cheats on his wife???? Again, consentual adults.

Edited March 27, 2016 by Andy_90's_generation

[shelpen98]

Leonard is worse than Penny, he cheated on her and he also cheated on Pria!  

[Einstein Von Brainstorm]

7 hours ago, Stephen Hawking said:

How long did she know David Underhill, before she slept with him?

 

For exactly the length of time that she thought she needed to know him before sleeping with him.

 

 

Edited March 27, 2016 by Einstein Von Brainstorm

[gsxdoug]

41 minutes ago, shelpen98 said:

Leonard is worse than Penny, he cheated on her and he also cheated on Pria!  

Based on Priya's own actions, there was no expectation of exclusivity on her part. Therefore Leonard did not cheat, except in his own mind. And a drunken kiss with someone who was apparently sleeping her way through the North Sea expedition isn't really cheating. Can we please put this to rest already? Lenny has moved past it and so should we.

[Tensor]

49 minutes ago, shelpen98 said:

Leonard is worse than Penny, he cheated on her and he also cheated on Pria!  

And Penny cheated on several previous boyfriends.  I'm not defending Leonard here, but they have both admitted to cheating on others.  One is not worse than another. 

 

On July 4, 2015 at 0:05 PM, Stephen Hawking said:

Actually, 193 was how many men, Sheldon calculated Penny had dated.

Sheldon calculated Penny had had 30.96 sexual partners, which he rounded up to 31.

And Sheldon's calculations were flat out wrong.

Sheldon: My mistake. Now, assuming the left side of a bell curve peaking around the present,...

 He assumed a bell curve function.  Penny's dating history is not a bell curve.  When Sheldon made that statement, In her previous seven years she was paired with Kurt for four years, Leonard for nine months, Mike for three months.  If you count the 17 other suitors from the other two years, plus the other three men(Kurt, Leonard, Mike) for the five years she was paired with someone, she would have had 20 suitors over seven years and average of three dates per year.  She dates less then the majority of women I knew when I was dating.  

 

Her previous seven years would look like this:

    9                                                                              *

    7                                                              *       

    5                                                          

    3                                                *

    1     *              *            *                                                         *

          2003      2004     2005     2006      2007        2008     2009

[Kathy2611]

Why is this topic even in here with the cast and crew thread?  Shouldn't it be located somewhere else since we're talking about "Penny?"

[Tensor]

47 minutes ago, Kathy2611 said:

Why is this topic even in here with the cast and crew thread?  Shouldn't it be located somewhere else since we're talking about "Penny?"

Good point Kathy, thanks.  Moving it to the Show forum.  

[Stephen Hawking]

9 hours ago, gsxdoug said:

Based on Priya's own actions, there was no expectation of exclusivity on her part. Therefore Leonard did not cheat, except in his own mind.

Leonard didn't know Priya wasn't expecting exclusivity.

He only found that out, after he snogged Alice.

9 hours ago, gsxdoug said:

And a drunken kiss with someone who was apparently sleeping her way through the North Sea expedition isn't really cheating.

It's not really cheating, if the person you are doing it with, is promiscuous?

[gsxdoug]

1) Hence why I said "in his own mind."

2) Not my point. 

[JohnPhD]

On 15/08/2012 at 3:20 PM, BangerMain said:

 

 

What I meant was summed up in my final paragraph. Penny may have had as many men as is claimed by Sheldon but they have made it all "talk". The producers and writers have carefully edited what is shown as evidence. This is the old double standard at work.

 

 

Penny is talked about as if she turned semi-pro in High School but the evidence that we are allowed to see of her sex life is:

 

- Leonard

- Raj (not consummated)

 

The best example of why this dichotomy exists is the reaction at the end of season 4 when the fans thought she slept with Raj. Because Penny is a woman who the fans want with Leonard, they can talk about how slutty she is all they want, but they better not show it.

Excellent point. Yes, what counts in a TV show is what we see, not what we're told. And Penny can't be seen having  many casual sex partners. As you say there's a bit of inconsistency between what's said and what's shown. Penny appears something of an innocent. She was devastated to find David Underhill was married.  I'm guessing that if a girl as naive as Penny first appeared to be had been picking up guys as freely as we're told, she would have had some nastier surprises than Mrs Underhill. But if anyone knows about that, please say.

In The Dead Hooker episode Penny accused Alicia of exploiting the guys by getting them to set up her home electonics. So she hadn't then spent enough time with the guys to realise that technophile men love doing techy tasks for  women. It makes them (OK, us) feel that what they can do is "manly". I wouid have thought Penny would have got that. And it's inconceivable that Leonard would have put off setting up Penny's printer. The main thing we learnt about Penny in this episode re the original question is that, unlike Alicia, she won't sleep with guys such as studio execs to get TV or film parts.

Edited March 28, 2016 by JohnPhD

[Stephen Hawking]

1 hour ago, JohnPhD said:

I'm guessing that if a girl as naive as Penny first appeared to be had been picking up guys as freely as we're told, she would have had some nastier surprises than Mrs Underhill. But if anyone knows about that, please say.

Well, we know she's had at least a couple of, shall we say, less than wonderful experiences.

1.  Ending up at a Best Western hotel, with a 34-year-old guy named Luther.

2. Having a 75-year-old man with an erection, climb on top of her.

[nibbler747]

This whole topic/poll for a post is disgusting.  Penny can sleep with as many or as few people as she wants without getting "labeled".

[Tensor]

36 minutes ago, Stephen Hawking said:

2. Having a 75-year-old man with an erection, climb on top of her.

Can you show this actually happened, or was it something she thought would cause those side effects?

29 minutes ago, nibbler747 said:

This whole topic/poll for a post is disgusting.  Penny can sleep with as many or as few people as she wants without getting "labeled".

That's just it, there's nothing to label.   Those that want to label Penny, have to rely on Sheldon's provably poor math skills.   

[Stephen Hawking]

22 hours ago, Tensor said:

Can you show this actually happened, or was it something she thought would cause those side effects?

She doesn't say she thinks they would be the side effects. She states they are the side effects

From The Junior Professor Solution:-

Bernadette: Okay, what are the potential side effects for our erectile dysfunction drug?

Penny: Headaches, dizziness and nausea.

Bernadette: Yes.

Penny: Those are also the side effects of having a 75-year-old man with an erection climb on top of you.