What Leonard Needs

[BangerMain]

The idea that Mr. "sing soft kitty to me", "I can't drive a car", and "I have to do laundry tonight, it's Saturday" is the Alpha male of any group is frightening. He gets his way by throwing temper tantrums and extortion. His appearance of having control over the group has been more of a case of the others not caring enough to put up with him if he doesn't get his way. I have noticed that as time passes they rest of the group is less and less willing to put up with him. A good example is when Leonard started seeing Priya over at Raj's apartment, the rest of the group met there instead of hanging out where Sheldon was. That would seem to mean that Leonard and not Sheldon is now the Alpha male. Still a sad commentary of the group.

I can't wrap my head around Sheldon being an Alpha male either. He seems to be treated like a petulant child who gets his way because the adults around him just want him to stop crying. Penny is more like his surrogate mother than a possible love interest and Leonard still lives with him at first through some sense of loyalty and now because the apartment is next to Penny's.

If or when Penny tells Leonard to live together in their own place, they would be gone in a heart beat.

[Convict13]

I'm sorry to say but I think the writers rushed all aspects of the Leonard and Penny relationship since the start of the series to the point where I care less and less about Penny or Leonard. At this point, I care more about guys like Sheldon, Raj, even Stuart that good things will happen to them than I do about Leonard and Penny.

I suppose part of the reason for this would be that they really had no idea how long their show was going to be on air, but I agree with you, I would have liked for them not to get together so early, I think the first date should have been it for at least the first 2 seasons. .

But really I don't like the Penny/Leonard relationship, I don't see what they have in common. What do they talk about after the coitus?

[Pomita]

Very true, the roles are reversed but it does actually happen in real life.

Normally you see the "whipped" male relationship which is quite common and was satirized on the show this season. But the women who dominate those couples are not commitment phobic nor unwilling to talk about feelings, just the opposite is true. Think Bernie and Howard (who shows far more backbone than Leonard).

Also would I be far off in saying Sheldon has become an very unexpected female fantasy? A male who has no interest in outward appearance, only the mind. Sheldon is unspoilt and incapable of deceit and to top it off seems to require rescuing from his sexual and emotional repression.

Are women attracted to asexual men? It seems teen girls sure are.

Not just teen girls. Stick around on this forum long enough and you will find out just how popular Sheldon is with ladies, of all ages.

I don't think it has to do with his being 'alpha male' (which he isn't; alpha males don't scream while riding pillion, among other things). It's more the hard-to-get, needs-emotional-saving thing.

I don't feel attracted to Sheldon (though I do feel a great deal of it for Jim, so some of that might unconsciously percolate). But I do find him a fascinating character, and am very interested in where things go with him and Amy.

[Convict13]

But this all assumes that the writers will try to get Penny's character back on track. They have her completely screwed up at the moment and they realize it which is why they talk about Penny growing up in season six. The "fix" may be in progress.

Agreed; they've messed Penny up big time & I have little patience for Leonard/Penny. Both of them have to mature in some way. Maybe Dr. Beverly will deliver some home truths to them both & they'll start maturing.

The character of Penny is a male TV writer's erotic fantasy:

- A super hot blond who is a "Big Old five" when it comes to initiating sex

- Is "good to go" after a few drinks

- Does not want a commitment of any kind

- and most importantly, does not want to talk about her feelings or yours

Where does this creature come from? After five years she has progressed only slightly, most of that coming in the second half of last season. She has a long way to go before she is anyway recognizable as even a normal "sitcom" female much less any average woman in "real life". That Leonard finds this "girl" the only one for him makes you question just how smart he is.

They need maturity fixing badly next season.

wow, spot on BangerMain; I have never met a real girl like this either; gay or straight. Penny is most definitely a man.

Well she does have those "manly" hands.

[annieogly]

Very true, the roles are reversed but it does actually happen in real life.

Normally you see the "whipped" male relationship which is quite common and was satirized on the show this season. But the women who dominate those couples are not commitment phobic nor unwilling to talk about feelings, just the opposite is true. Think Bernie and Howard (who shows far more backbone than Leonard).

Also would I be far off in saying Sheldon has become an very unexpected female fantasy? A male who has no interest in outward appearance, only the mind. Sheldon is unspoilt and incapable of deceit and to top it off seems to require rescuing from his sexual and emotional repression.

Are women attracted to asexual men? It seems teen girls sure are.

Not just teen girls. Stick around on this forum long enough and you will find out just how popular Sheldon is with ladies, of all ages.

I don't think it has to do with his being 'alpha male' (which he isn't; alpha males don't scream while riding pillion, among other things). It's more the hard-to-get, needs-emotional-saving thing.

I don't feel attracted to Sheldon (though I do feel a great deal of it for Jim, so some of that might unconsciously percolate). But I do find him a fascinating character, and am very interested in where things go with him and Amy.

Okay I defer to 2) the hard to get, needs emotional saving as the primary attraction.

Alpha means to me the superior one; not Penny's beefy old boyfriends, Kurt and Zack. They're yesterday's alpha. Really aren't homo novus' genes the only ones worth preserving?

[Pomita]

I don't think it has to do with his being 'alpha male' (which he isn't; alpha males don't scream while riding pillion, among other things). It's more the hard-to-get, needs-emotional-saving thing.

I don't feel attracted to Sheldon (though I do feel a great deal of it for Jim, so some of that might unconsciously percolate). But I do find him a fascinating character, and am very interested in where things go with him and Amy.

Okay I defer to 2) the hard to get, needs emotional saving as the primary attraction.

Alpha means to me the superior one; not Penny's beefy old boyfriends, Kurt and Zack. They're yesterday's alpha. Really aren't homo novus' genes the only ones worth preserving?

Oh, certainly Sheldon is miles superior to Kurt or Zack. But compared to others around him, he's really only superior in terms of his enormous intellect, although he likes to believe he's superior in every way - and that's the dichotomy of Sheldon's character. He can be childish, he can be selfish, he can be cowardly. He also suffers from a remarkable lack of self-awareness and a skewed, unrealistic self-image. This is why I can't think of him as an alpha - neither him, nor any of the other protagonists.

But I agree that his genes are still worth preserving. Preferably through Amy. :D

[Convict13]

I think the major problem with the character of Leonard is that he was expected to be the main focus of the series, him and Penny, but lo and behold Sheldon is such a character that the public have warmed to him and so the storylines have shifted his way. To be quite honest when I first started to watch TBBT I assume Johnny Galecki played Sheldon (I didn't obviously know him before TBBT), as Sheldon was quite obviously the main character, and Johnny's name is first on the cast listing, I was a little suprised to learn that Sheldon was actually played by Jim, who appeared second on the cast listing. I think that is a failing of the writers to be honest, and the way they write, where they have no set goals, they just basically write each episode as a single episode, is that really the norm for writing a sit-com?

[Pomita]

I think the major problem with the character of Leonard is that he was expected to be the main focus of the series, him and Penny, but lo and behold Sheldon is such a character that the public have warmed to him and so the storylines have shifted his way. To be quite honest when I first started to watch TBBT I assume Johnny Galecki played Sheldon (I didn't obviously know him before TBBT), as Sheldon was quite obviously the main character, and Johnny's name is first on the cast listing, I was a little suprised to learn that Sheldon was actually played by Jim, who appeared second on the cast listing. I think that is a failing of the writers to be honest, and the way they write, where they have no set goals, they just basically write each episode as a single episode, is that really the norm for writing a sit-com?

I agree that the show had probably initially intended for Leonard/Penny to be the focus and the protagonists. There was a gradual shift after the first few episodes, and especially from the second season onwards; and I can't really blame the writers for that, because there was no way they could have predicted the kind of fan interest Sheldon's character got (not to mention the phenomenon that is Jim as Sheldon).

[Moonbase]

I think the major problem with the character of Leonard is that he was expected to be the main focus of the series, him and Penny, but lo and behold Sheldon is such a character that the public have warmed to him and so the storylines have shifted his way. To be quite honest when I first started to watch TBBT I assume Johnny Galecki played Sheldon (I didn't obviously know him before TBBT), as Sheldon was quite obviously the main character, and Johnny's name is first on the cast listing, I was a little suprised to learn that Sheldon was actually played by Jim, who appeared second on the cast listing. I think that is a failing of the writers to be honest, and the way they write, where they have no set goals, they just basically write each episode as a single episode, is that really the norm for writing a sit-com?

I assume different writers have different methods. I know musicians and bands vary in their writing techniques. There's no set template for writing music. Script writing could be similar in that respect.

I agree, they have made things difficult for themselves by not having a plan. Leonard was left adrift when Sheldon become so popular. Not sure that could have been predicted though (just noticed you got in ahead of me on that Pomita ). None of the males on the show are alphas, they are nerdy beta boys in their own little world. But Sheldon does feel like the main character, the alpha of the show, not an alpha in a practical sense. Leonard wasn't given much scope, they were too busy having fun writing for Sheldon. Maybe that's why the Lenny relationship seemed rushed and a little thin on the ground.

[Pomita]

I assume different writers have different methods. I know musicians and bands vary in their writing techniques. There's no set template for writing music. Script writing could be similar in that respect.

I agree, they have made things difficult for themselves by not having a plan. Leonard was left adrift when Sheldon become so popular. Not sure that could have been predicted though (just noticed you got in ahead of me on that Pomita ). None of the males on the show are alphas, they are nerdy beta boys in their own little world. But Sheldon does feel like the main character, the alpha of the show, not an alpha in a practical sense. Leonard wasn't given much scope, they were too busy having fun writing for Sheldon. Maybe that's why the Lenny relationship seemed rushed and a little thin on the ground.

Yes, that is what I meant by Sheldon or any of the other protagonists not feeling like alphas to me. But as for being the alpha on the show, as in the most focused-on character - I think that's true about Sheldon now, and for obvious reasons. The awards, and the popularity, all indicate the fact that a large majority of people still watch the show for Sheldon's antics, more than anything else.

[Convict13]

So what Leonard, Penny and Raj also need are decent storylines, not episode by episode but something that is ongoing throughout the season, and I don't mean Leonard and Penny's relationship on and off, that has been done before, I want to see growth in all their characters. Raj is going to be interesting this year, they need to do something with him or else he is a wasted character.

[BangerMain]

I think the major problem with the character of Leonard is that he was expected to be the main focus of the series, him and Penny, but lo and behold Sheldon is such a character that the public have warmed to him and so the storylines have shifted his way. To be quite honest when I first started to watch TBBT I assume Johnny Galecki played Sheldon (I didn't obviously know him before TBBT), as Sheldon was quite obviously the main character, and Johnny's name is first on the cast listing, I was a little suprised to learn that Sheldon was actually played by Jim, who appeared second on the cast listing. I think that is a failing of the writers to be honest, and the way they write, where they have no set goals, they just basically write each episode as a single episode, is that really the norm for writing a sit-com?

Not usually, now days. Many sitcoms do a "season story arc". You can look up the concept by searching for "Story Arcs in Sitcoms" on the net.

The reason for doing this is you have an objective or goal for where you want the characters to be at the end of the season. The writers may submit episodic scripts that explore some funny subject matter for the characters but they should put some scenes in the script that "moves the ball" to the season's goal.

TBBT obviously does some story arc-ing but they pride themselves on only writing as close in advance of air time as possible. This allows them to change the goals during the season and make adjustments and changes accordingly. This gives them flexibility and it also gets them in trouble as with the mess the L/P story line is in at the moment.

[rickfromillinois]

So what Leonard, Penny and Raj also need are decent storylines, not episode by episode but something that is ongoing throughout the season, and I don't mean Leonard and Penny's relationship on and off, that has been done before, I want to see growth in all their characters. Raj is going to be interesting this year, they need to do something with him or else he is a wasted character.

I don't think that we will see more of Raj in the upcoming season, I think that we will see less. I think that if we do see him it will be under the guise of how lost and lonesome he is now that Howard is married and how much of an annoyance he is to the newly married couple by always hanging around and being a 3rd wheel.

[wayelrob]

I agree to a point. I do not believe that Penny is the best choice for Leonard. Amy noted that Priya was a better match for Leonard then Penny is. I am not sure if I totally agree with her but I think that Penny does take Leonard for granted. She has said things on several occasions that indicate that there is not a chance in the world that Leonard would ever leave her. The way that she said it does not indicate that she has total faith in his loyalty but that she believes that Leonard could never do better then her.

Unless the personal dynamic between Leonard and Penny changes their relationship is always going to seem a little off to me.

Ouch, Priya was a ball busting, manipulating, interfering harpy. And, let us not forget she was gone home for how long, before she cheated on Leonard? In my opinion Priya isn't a better match for anyone, let alone Leonard. Best thing they did was to get rid of her.

On the first point, I am not certain if Penny is right for Leonard as they have written it so far. I do think they are destined to be together. That is the dream that stitches the show together.

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But this all assumes that the writers will try to get Penny's character back on track. They have her completely screwed up at the moment and they realize it which is why they talk about Penny growing up in season six. The "fix" may be in progress.

Agreed; they've messed Penny up big time & I have little patience for Leonard/Penny. Both of them have to mature in some way. Maybe Dr. Beverly will deliver some home truths to them both & they'll start maturing.

The character of Penny is a male TV writer's erotic fantasy:

- A super hot blond who is a "Big Old five" when it comes to initiating sex

- Is "good to go" after a few drinks

- Does not want a commitment of any kind

- and most importantly, does not want to talk about her feelings or yours

Where does this creature come from? After five years she has progressed only slightly, most of that coming in the second half of last season. She has a long way to go before she is anyway recognizable as even a normal "sitcom" female much less any average woman in "real life". That Leonard finds this "girl" the only one for him makes you question just how smart he is.

They need maturity fixing badly next season.

YES! That is what they have turned Penny into. She is a Chuck Lorre fantasy girl. With each season they have done more to trash her character, which was pretty slim to start with. I don't think these writers know how to write women.

[themightylin]

I think the major problem with the character of Leonard is that he was expected to be the main focus of the series, him and Penny, but lo and behold Sheldon is such a character that the public have warmed to him and so the storylines have shifted his way. To be quite honest when I first started to watch TBBT I assume Johnny Galecki played Sheldon (I didn't obviously know him before TBBT), as Sheldon was quite obviously the main character, and Johnny's name is first on the cast listing, I was a little suprised to learn that Sheldon was actually played by Jim, who appeared second on the cast listing. I think that is a failing of the writers to be honest, and the way they write, where they have no set goals, they just basically write each episode as a single episode, is that really the norm for writing a sit-com?

I'm not sure if this has anything to do with it, but I believe that not only was Johnny Galecki the first actor to be cast to the series, but that they originally had him reading for the part of Sheldon. Galecki was more interested in the potential Leonard/Penny dynamic and finally mustered the courage to ask if he could play Leonard instead, and they told him, sure.

I admit Jim has pretty much stolen the show, but the writers mentioned that they really didn't have a good grasp on Sheldon's character until about episode #4 (I think it's the one where he gets fired from the university and starts weaving, and genetically mutating fish and stuff).

So when this all started, Leonard was initially the lead part. The show was based around the idea that Leonard's character would find himself caught between two worlds: Penny's, and Nerd-dom; with Penny, and Sheldon supporting either side. No matter how hilarious and endearing Sheldon might become, he's not the underlying focus of the series. He was little more than a side-kick originally, that went viral among fans, and this has happened before in many sitcoms.

If you think about older shows like Happy Days and Taxi, they had characters come in and sort of steal the show, but that doesn't really mean The Fonz is the focus of the show over Richie. Or that Christopher Lloyd's character (hilarious as he was) more important than all the other cabbies... the most obvious exception is Family Matters. They may as well have re-named it the Steve Urkle show. lol

[Moonbase]

I agree with Convict13, with little or no story arcing they are just going in to each show blind. Sheldon becoming popular very quickly which as you say is not predictable but having no framework has created so many inconsistencies in his earlier characterisation. These are regularly brought up by new watchers. Prady has explained that they were still developing the character but it seems odd to still be doing this as you are airing.

The writers have a unplanned style which works for them but is not without its risks. Throwing Penny and Raj together felt like an impulsive moment, that was very badly received by fans. I also believe this spontaneous style is  the main reason Leonard and Penny feel a little unconvincing. No one knows what's happening with Raj because they don't even know it themselves and they have altered Amy several times. Mayim managed to pull it off but they haven't exactly made her introduction to the show smooth sailing. Her crush on Penny was despised on this forum and she was being ripped to shreds about it even though the acting was good. I think they gave the character a tough start because they thought they could shift the innuendos across from Howard, who they were altering as well, to Mayim. It didn't go down well either, it felt like her character was all over the place. First she's robotic but now in only one season she's totally different. No planning. 

[themightylin]

...they have altered Amy several times. Mayim managed to pull it off but they haven't exactly made her introduction to the show smooth sailing. Her crush on Penny was despised on this forum and she was being ripped to shreds about it even though the acting was good. I think they gave the character a tough start because they thought they could shift the innuendos across from Howard, who they were altering as well, to Mayim. It didn't go down well either, it felt like her character was all over the place. First she's robotic but now in only one season she's totally different. No planning. 

I actually think Amy's been very well written. It makes sense for her to be all over the place, because she's never had friends before. She hardly knows how to respond, and she's learning about herself as much as we are. She was robotic at first because that was her default. The more she got to know the other characters, the more she opened up.

Also, (and stay with me on this one), I'm of the mind that she never actually had a crush on Penny at all. I think she wants to be Penny. But she can't, so she wants to be as close as she can get, by whatever means possible: even if it means kissing her, sleeping with the same guy, or being cell mates in a woman's prison, Amy will take whatever she can get, -which strangely enough, does not necessarily stem from a sexual desire, but a desire to be accepted, and she feels that to do that, is to be perceived by others in the same way that she perceives Penny.

[Moonbase]

...they have altered Amy several times. Mayim managed to pull it off but they haven't exactly made her introduction to the show smooth sailing. Her crush on Penny was despised on this forum and she was being ripped to shreds about it even though the acting was good. I think they gave the character a tough start because they thought they could shift the innuendos across from Howard, who they were altering as well, to Mayim. It didn't go down well either, it felt like her character was all over the place. First she's robotic but now in only one season she's totally different. No planning. 

I actually think Amy's been very well written. It makes sense for her to be all over the place, because she's never had friends before. She hardly knows how to respond, and she's learning about herself as much as we are. She was robotic at first because that was her default. The more she got to know the other characters, the more she opened up.

Also, (and stay with me on this one), I'm of the mind that she never actually had a crush on Penny at all. I think she wants to be Penny. But she can't, so she wants to be as close as she can get, by whatever means possible: even if it means kissing her, sleeping with the same guy, or being cell mates in a woman's prison, Amy will take whatever she can get, -which strangely enough, does not necessarily stem from a sexual desire, but a desire to be accepted, and she feels that to do that, is to be perceived by others in the same way that she perceives Penny.

I have made many of these arguments in Amy's defense myself and I understand the concept that she is naive. Her behaviour towards Penny was funny to me but most people and I do mean the majority! hated it. The character got such a bashing.

I blame the writers entirely, Amy was coming in as a potential partner for Sheldon and that raised objections as it was. I'm not saying it was badly written, I'm saying they threw everything at Mayim. They experimented with the character to see what would work. First she's robotic, next she's making unpopular comments towards Penny. And now she's different again and I'm not saying it's not plausible, I'm saying they seemed to have little plan. To her credit Mayim has done well but they didn't make it easy.

[rickfromillinois]

"Ouch, Priya was a ball busting, manipulating, interfering harpy. And, let us not forget she was gone home for how long, before she cheated on Leonard? In my opinion Priya isn't a better match for anyone, let alone Leonard. Best thing they did was to get rid of her. "

In what way was she any different then Penny except she was successful in some areas where Penny failed? Frankly I don't know how she would be considered "ball busting", nor any more manipulating then most girl friends. She bought him some new clothes and thought he would look better with contacts. What a harpy and terrible person. The only "interfering" that I saw her involved in was when she stuck up for Leonard when Sheldon was trying to dictate to Leonard how he was going to live by use of his roommate agreement which was poorly written and something that Sheldon himself did not abide with. Perhaps she was being "interfering" when she told Leonard that she was uncomfortable with Penny spending so much time at Leonard's apartment and thought that it was disrespectful to her. Newsflash! Most people, male and female, would not be happy with someone who used to sleep with their significant other spending allot of time with their significant other. Yes Priya was very wrong to sleep with her old boyfriend after she had been away from Leonard for a while, but in all fairness, did they have any hope of getting back together in the future?

I will continue to maintain that Priya was a better match for Leonard, Amy thought so, and deep down, so did Penny. When together she treated Leonard with much more respect then Penny ever has.

[themightylin]

"Ouch, Priya was a ball busting, manipulating, interfering harpy. And, let us not forget she was gone home for how long, before she cheated on Leonard? In my opinion Priya isn't a better match for anyone, let alone Leonard. Best thing they did was to get rid of her. "

In what way was she any different then Penny except she was successful in some areas where Penny failed? Frankly I don't know how she would be considered "ball busting", nor any more manipulating then most girl friends. She bought him some new clothes and thought he would look better with contacts. What a harpy and terrible person. The only "interfering" that I saw her involved in was when she stuck up for Leonard when Sheldon was trying to dictate to Leonard how he was going to live by use of his roommate agreement which was poorly written and something that Sheldon himself did not abide with. Perhaps she was being "interfering" when she told Leonard that she was uncomfortable with Penny spending so much time at Leonard's apartment and thought that it was disrespectful to her. Newsflash! Most people, male and female, would not be happy with someone who used to sleep with their significant other spending allot of time with their significant other. Yes Priya was very wrong to sleep with her old boyfriend after she had been away from Leonard for a while, but in all fairness, did they have any hope of getting back together in the future?

I will continue to maintain that Priya was a better match for Leonard, Amy thought so, and deep down, so did Penny. When together she treated Leonard with much more respect then Penny ever has.

Umm.. she chatted up her ex boyfriend in India all night while she was dating Leonard, and at the same time, got mad at Leonard for hanging out with Penny. Telling the person you're dating who they can and can't spend time with is a big red flag that your relationship might not only be unbalanced, but potentially abusive.

Also, how exactly did she expect Leonard to not see Penny anymore when she lives right across the hall? Kind of a no-win situation there.

What bothered me about the contacts was the fact that they were obviously causing him serious problems that required medical attention, and not only did she shrug it off, but she griped about the fact that he had to wear the eye patch in bed.

Also, while I think it's okay for a couple to maybe not share a lot of their interests, Priya called Leonard a child stuck in a man's body, -and not in a good way, as he hoped. She's not only uninterested in the things that he likes, but seems off-put and embarrassed by them. Like if she could get him to stop, she would.

And in all fairness, whether they were ever going to see each other again or not, they were both obviously acknowledging that they were in a committed relationship and Priya was less than spineless and heartless to cheat on Leonard like she did. If she wanted her ex, she should have broken it off with Leonard first.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not really cheering for Penny/Leonard either, but I admit I like her better than Priya. It's a fine line, but out of all the women we've seen that showed an interest in Leonard romantically, Penny comes the closest to accepting him the way he is.

[mjc45]

I think the major problem with the character of Leonard is that he was expected to be the main focus of the series, him and Penny, but lo and behold Sheldon is such a character that the public have warmed to him and so the storylines have shifted his way. To be quite honest when I first started to watch TBBT I assume Johnny Galecki played Sheldon (I didn't obviously know him before TBBT), as Sheldon was quite obviously the main character, and Johnny's name is first on the cast listing, I was a little suprised to learn that Sheldon was actually played by Jim, who appeared second on the cast listing. I think that is a failing of the writers to be honest, and the way they write, where they have no set goals, they just basically write each episode as a single episode, is that really the norm for writing a sit-com?

I'm not sure if this has anything to do with it, but I believe that not only was Johnny Galecki the first actor to be cast to the series, but that they originally had him reading for the part of Sheldon. Galecki was more interested in the potential Leonard/Penny dynamic and finally mustered the courage to ask if he could play Leonard instead, and they told him, sure.

I admit Jim has pretty much stolen the show, but the writers mentioned that they really didn't have a good grasp on Sheldon's character until about episode #4 (I think it's the one where he gets fired from the university and starts weaving, and genetically mutating fish and stuff).

So when this all started, Leonard was initially the lead part. The show was based around the idea that Leonard's character would find himself caught between two worlds: Penny's, and Nerd-dom; with Penny, and Sheldon supporting either side. No matter how hilarious and endearing Sheldon might become, he's not the underlying focus of the series. He was little more than a side-kick originally, that went viral among fans, and this has happened before in many sitcoms.

If you think about older shows like Happy Days and Taxi, they had characters come in and sort of steal the show, but that doesn't really mean The Fonz is the focus of the show over Richie. Or that Christopher Lloyd's character (hilarious as he was) more important than all the other cabbies... the most obvious exception is Family Matters. They may as well have re-named it the Steve Urkle show. lol

i saw that online about johnny geting the part,

was it that chuck was on the writing team on roseanna.

so he gave him first chance at the part he wanted.

[BangerMain]

I will continue to maintain that Priya was a better match for Leonard, Amy thought so, and deep down, so did Penny. When together she treated Leonard with much more respect then Penny ever has.

Oh Yes! Penny said herself that Priya made her feel like "a toothless Oakie". She surpasses Penny in almost every way in compatibility to Leonard and had great self-confidence and accomplishments that allowed her to see what a special man Leonard was with out being threatened.

But she was designed by the writers for one purpose; to make Penny want Leonard back. Once they had Priya succeed in that purpose, she was disposed or in a way to make the parting from Leonard final and make Penny look like a truer love.

But really, the only advantage Penny has is accessibility. Once she got Leonard back after nearly having a nervous breakdown with out him, she happily ascended her throne to allow Leonard to worship her. That seems to be what she really wants.

[annieogly]

I will continue to maintain that Priya was a better match for Leonard, Amy thought so, and deep down, so did Penny. When together she treated Leonard with much more respect then Penny ever has.

Oh Yes! Penny said herself that Priya made her feel like "a toothless Oakie". She surpasses Penny in almost every way in compatibility to Leonard and had great self-confidence and accomplishments that allowed her to see what a special man Leonard was with out being threatened.

But she was designed by the writers for one purpose; to make Penny want Leonard back. Once they had Priya succeed in that purpose, she was disposed or in a way to make the parting from Leonard final and make Penny look like a truer love.

But really, the only advantage Penny has is accessibility. Once she got Leonard back after nearly having a nervous breakdown with out him, she happily ascended her throne to allow Leonard to worship her. That seems to be what she really wants.

Funny Priya is the one female character who really pinged my gaydar. Priya and Leonard are the better couple. We discussed this earlier, Leonard wants Penny as she isn't his mother & Penny wants Leonard as she wants her father's love. They both need therapy & maybe they'd find more suitable mates!

[rickfromillinois]

I will continue to maintain that Priya was a better match for Leonard, Amy thought so, and deep down, so did Penny. When together she treated Leonard with much more respect then Penny ever has.

Oh Yes! Penny said herself that Priya made her feel like "a toothless Oakie". She surpasses Penny in almost every way in compatibility to Leonard and had great self-confidence and accomplishments that allowed her to see what a special man Leonard was with out being threatened.

But she was designed by the writers for one purpose; to make Penny want Leonard back. Once they had Priya succeed in that purpose, she was disposed or in a way to make the parting from Leonard final and make Penny look like a truer love.

But really, the only advantage Penny has is accessibility. Once she got Leonard back after nearly having a nervous breakdown with out him, she happily ascended her throne to allow Leonard to worship her. That seems to be what she really wants.

Funny Priya is the one female character who really pinged my gaydar. Priya and Leonard are the better couple. We discussed this earlier, Leonard wants Penny as she isn't his mother & Penny wants Leonard as she wants her father's love. They both need therapy & maybe they'd find more suitable mates!

Priya pinged your gaydar? Really? There are a couple of characters on the show that I thought might be gay but not her. I disagree with the idea that Leonard wants Penny because of his mother and Penny is attracted to Leonard because of her father. Leonard may want a relationship that is warm and has an abundance of displayed affection between him and a woman, but I don't see how that transfer over to being attracted to a particular person such as Penny. If that was the case then the first time her told her that he loved her and her only reply was "thank you", he would have dumped her and gone looking for someone who was willing to express her own love for him.

[annieogly]

If you're interested I'm gay & discussed how Amy's behavior is that of a classic straight girl in the "Werewolf Transformation' thread. Priya in the pantsuit; bossy, smart, confident, arrogant, is a classic Lesbian in a Pinstriped Suit (LIPS) - a genuine lesbian fantasy. If I were going to write a SLASH it would be Priya/Penny.

Well people aren't that self-aware, Leonard certainly isn't - that's his problem. I kept asking on a thread 'what does he see in Penny' & Banger Main posted the acute analysis by Sheldon it's all 'greedy baby needy baby' & let's face it, Leonard is a beta troll; what attractive female would go out with him? (& I realize this is the big male fantasy of the show). All the female fanfic is Shenny, tells you something.