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Very well observed phantagrae...I agree entirely. (According to Freud, this takes place during the psychosexual development stage of any male or female) Sheldon is still immature at times even "infantile". There are so many little externations in his behaviour to corroborate that he needs to go either directions to grow into manhood in all respects.

I agree to and I think that Amy could help him with that because their have so much in common. Thank's to her he experience feelings that he never do before. They learn  each other, each other feelings in their own speed. And yes i will like them to get closer becouse every character needs to evolve, must change. Like in real life, feelings influence us, and we can denied them. Sheldon must recognize those feelings  that he has for her.

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Not particularly... but it will happen anyway so I have accepted it.

 

Sheldon was better single and funnier IMO. Putting him in a relationship has not improved the character. It's made him less funny because his odd and unusual behaviour now comes across as meaner. They only did it because he's hot and fabulous. He is a victim of his own sucess.

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Yeah, it could never be that they have done it because the story of how someone like him, with all his idiosyncrasies, may fall in love might be interesting to explore. Not at all. It's all about the looks.

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Yeah, it could never be that they have done it because the story of how someone like him, with all his idiosyncrasies, may fall in love might be interesting to explore. Not at all. It's all about the looks.

 

But it's not as interesting to explore as I thought it might be. I was a bit of a shamy supporter once but I'm not so sure anymore. I'm not a shamy hater at all but I do prefer Sheldon before he and Amy dated.

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I'm not saying it's everyone's cup of tea or that the way they've decided to do it is interesting to everyone. But introducing her had more to do with the exploration of the idea rather than simply giving him a girlfriend because he's hot. Otherwise they would have just gone Shenny instead of bringing in a plain, nerdy girl. It is very interesting to me how they've played it out so far, and I'm sure it is to a lot of other people. The only thing I would change a bit maybe is have them back to share more sciencey-geeky interests that have been lacking lately, but other that that I wouldn't change a thing.

 

Also, I've seen you mention more than once that you are not opposed to him having a girlfriend if it were the right girl, or that you don't find them interesting anymore or what have you, but you never really explained how you would have liked to see it played out? 

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I'm not saying it's everyone's cup of tea or that the way they've decided to do it is interesting to everyone. But introducing her had more to do with the exploration of the idea rather than simply giving him a girlfriend because he's hot. Otherwise they would have just gone Shenny instead of bringing in a plain, nerdy girl. It is very interesting to me how they've played it out so far, and I'm sure it is to a lot of other people. The only thing I would change a bit maybe is have them back to share more sciencey-geeky interests that have been lacking lately, but other that that I wouldn't change a thing.

 

Also, I've seen you mention more than once that you are not opposed to him having a girlfriend if it were the right girl, or that you don't find them interesting anymore or what have you, but you never really explained how you would have liked to see it played out? 

 

 

Yeah I guess I expected something different. Something that was going to draw me in. I know a lot of shamy's feel this already but to me it's missing that vital ingredient.

 

I would have liked a more intellectual tease for Sheldon. Some playful bantering, with clever one-liners. His girlfriend needs to hold her own and it needs to be done in a friendlier tone than with Penny. I also wanted to see some latent sparks between them but Amy and Sheldon seem like brother and sister most of the time. I know they are trying to alter this, i just wish they would use words more than things like spanking, if you get me.

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It's funny because I do see most of that in this version of the Shamy. Maybe the intellectual tease has gone down this season, and that's what I was saying before, that I'd like more of that. But they've had plenty of that, especially in S4. And I do think that's an early-stage relationship thing too, that's why there was more of that in S4. That, and the fact that she has so many scenes with the girls now that have taken away from her screen time with Sheldon. And in a 20-minute show shared with 5 other characters it is tough. As for Amy holding her own, I think she totally does. She's the only one that treats him like an adult and the only one who doesn't let him walk all over her. She's held her own since the very first minute she came onto the show.

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It's funny because I do see most of that in this version of the Shamy. Maybe the intellectual tease has gone down this season, and that's what I was saying before, that I'd like more of that. But they've had plenty of that, especially in S4. And I do think that's an early-stage relationship thing too, that's why there was more of that in S4. That, and the fact that she has so many scenes with the girls now that have taken away from her screen time with Sheldon. And in a 20-minute show shared with 5 other characters it is tough. As for Amy holding her own, I think she totally does. She's the only one that treats him like an adult and the only one who doesn't let him walk all over her. She's held her own since the very first minute she came onto the show.

 

There's not enough intellectual banter that would convince me this is 'a relationship of the mind' as the show claims. Where are the sparks that could lead these two to the bedroom? Not present, IMHO. They gaze at each other sometimes and there were hints of playfulness starting up when they went to the Brian Greene lecture. But then the writers dropped this and took a different path. So we agree on some points anyway. :)

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There's not enough intellectual banter that would convince me this is 'a relationship of the mind' as the show claims. Where are the sparks that could lead these two to the bedroom? Not present, IMHO. They gaze at each other sometimes and there were hints of playfulness starting up when they went to the Brian Greene lecture. But then the writers dropped this and took a different path. So we agree on some points anyway. :)

 

I can see what you mean. But I can see why the writers decided to tone down the banter/flirting once they became official, that's exactly the point: they don't want to give the impression they are going to the bedroom, they want to keep Sheldon as nonchalant about it as possible. Indeed the only people he had "intellectual sparks" with before were people he was not even aware there might have been a sexual undertone to it and that he was never going to sleep with. It was the irony of the situation. I have a feeling that might come back once they decide it's time to move on on that front. But I think they're trying to build this as a relationship of love rather than sexual tension, I think the next few eps will make that even clearer.

 

As far as the "relationship of the mind" is concerned, I think it was very very powerful in S4, I just think that they felt they've made that point and now are moving on to other things. A lot of S/A interaction these days happens off screen (Amy has stories about "last night/the other day" all the time) which is annoying if you ask me, and I think they're mainly doing it because they're afraid people are going to complain they are attached at the hip and Sheldon is not Sheldon any longer and so son. The scenes of the two of them together have decreased exponentially since S4. Either they are trying too hard to shelter Sheldon or they are doing this because it slows down the whole thing to a pace that suits the writers. 

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I agree with spook, but there will always be people who are unhappy with the fact that Sheldon is no longer like before, and those that will enjoy the fact that he and Amy are getting closer to the bedroom, love etc. They have to find a balance between what the fans expect, and how they see Sheldon and Amy. I think they find a way to keep their relationship as "the relationship of the mind", and push them forward in their feelings  to the next level.  I think that the first does not exclude the other.They can be more closer to each other, and their relationship of the mind can better. There can be more "mind sparks" beetwen them. For them especially for Sheldon what is now between the two of them is a real big step, and I think there will be no bedroom thing, maybe a kiss, but what will be, it is that they will become even closer to each other, and they will be able to admit to each other what they feel(what ever it will be).

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I wasn't talking about sex, I meant where was no spark to 'ultimately' lead them to the bedroom in the future. I started out a shamy with so much hope (to paraphrase Penny) but it hasn't delivered for me.

 

If a couple are completely hilarious, the writers don't not need all the emotional growth nonsense, to make me fall in love with them. I just would. Laughter is the best medicine as they say. The way they are approaching these two is all wrong. They are trying to convince us and that's only going to work with people like the shamy's who want it anyway. It they want to convince the rest of us, make them funny!

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I wasn't talking about sex, I meant where was no spark to 'ultimately' lead them to the bedroom in the future. I started out a shamy with so much hope (to paraphrase Penny) but it hasn't delivered for me.

 

If a couple are completely hilarious, the writers don't not need all the emotional growth nonsense, to make me fall in love with them. I just would. Laughter is the best medicine as they say. The way they are approaching these two is all wrong. They are trying to convince us and that's only going to work with people like the shamy's who want it anyway. It they want to convince the rest of us, make them funny!

 

See, this is what bugs me about your approach. You always speak as if the people who like Shamy are a silly minority who only see what they want to see, whereas "the rest of you" (whoever this rest is, sometimes you make it sound like it's some kind of a panel) are the majority who appreciates clever entertainment. By all means, be disappointed with how the Shamy delivers for you but don't make sweeping generalizations about the audience and pass on your opinions as empirical fact. In your opinion there's no spark. In your opinion they are not funny. In others' opinion there's both. To each their own. You do realize these two have become incredibly popular? Just have a browse for Halloween costumes for this year online. If people found they didn't "deliver" they wouldn't have become as iconic as they have. Obviously there are a lot of people out there who see the appeal in this pairing, beyond the Shamys on these boards.

 

Also, I'm not sure how you started out a Shamy with so much hope since we've had discussions before on how you firmly believe Sheldon to be asexual. Now you're saying Shamy let you down because there are no "sparks" that lead to the bedroom?

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See, this is what bugs me about your approach. You always speak as if the people who like Shamy are a silly minority who only see what they want to see, whereas "the rest of you" (whoever this rest is, sometimes you make it sounds like it's some kind of panel) are the majority who appreciates clever entertainment. By all means, be disappointed with how the Shamy delivers for you but don't make sweeping generalizations about the audience and pass on your opinions as empirical fact. In your opinion there's no spark. In your opinion they are not funny. In others' opinion there's both. To each their own. 

 

Finnneeee! IMO Sheldon and Amy are not funny enough to win me over.

 

Why is it people who write endless psycho-babble about the characters supposed inner motivations don't have forum members telling them to keep prefixing everything with IMO? If you don't like my approach, don't converse with me.

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If by psychobabble you mean long-winded interpretations of the characters' actions, I think it's a different story. First of all, you start off with them being exactly that: interpretations. Everyone knows interpretations are subjective. Secondly, interpreting a characters' actions is different from saying "This does not work", "This is wrong", "This is ruining the show", "This is not funny". You'll notice that all the arguments about, to quote Mrs Cooper, "that is your opinion" only come up in threads that discuss what's good or bad for the show, because there is often a tendency to pass of one's opinions as facts while treating other people's opinions as just opinions. I don't think you see that as much in the "psychobabble" threads.

 

Anyway, we've seem to have reached an impasse.  :icon_lol:  Let's agree to disagree about the Shamy (as always) and move on. I hope the tables turn at some point and they can become enjoyable for you again.

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Everyone knows interpretations are subjective? That has not been my experience. I used to use IMO constantly, but then I noticed most people don't. I'm just one of the ones you don't agree with very often.

And I never said shamy's a silly minority. I have no idea how many people consider themselves shamys, or what percentage they are. All I know is they are more romantically minded than I, and they already want it. This fits in with my point. If they want to convince someone who does not consider themselves a shamy already they should concentrate on making them funnier, IMO. Laughter is a very effective way to make people love a sitcom charcater/couple... IMO.

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I don't think what the writers are trying to do is to convince people to love all characters and pairings. I don't care for Lenny, I find them cute and wish them all the best but they just don't do it for me. And that's totally fine, I don't think the writers need to convince me that Lenny are awesome. They write their story and it's up to me to like it or not or be indifferent to it. No matter which way they flip it, there's always going to be a part of the audience that doesn't like it or for whom it doesn't do much. You might want funnier, others might want more romantic, others might want hotter. Also, even just "wanting" Shamy doesn't mean everyone wants it in the same way. Even there you have lots of different options. And I don't think it's just Shamys who like the Shamy as it is.

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Sheldon is my favourite character, so of course I need to feel he's with the right person. If Penny was my favourite then I'd have more to say about Leonard and so on. I don't dislike Amy, I'm just not into the emotional growth angle, that they are going for now. Making me laugh is all it takes and that pretty much covers it for anything on the show.

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whoever this rest is, sometimes you make it sound like it's some kind of a panel

 

This cracked me up. :icon_mrgreen:

 

The rest, of course, I agree with Spook. I don't think it's accurate to say that the writers are playing it lazily with the Shamy because some of us 'already want it' so we're an easy audience. They've had to struggle to get us into wanting it - many of us were Sheldon purists to start with. It's an ongoing struggle, and it does seem like more and more people are getting to support and like them. There have been enough online polls specifically about the couples which show that, even if the rising ratings weren't enough.

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