Episodes 6.07 The Habitation Configuration (Nov. 8)

[DPK]

Let me preface this by giving my apologies to any of the ladies who post here who might take offence, which is not my intention but it deals with a view that many a guy has in regards to the fairer sex. There are times when you ladies seem to make a really big fuss over trivial matters and it puts us guys in a tight spot because if we say anything or even simply attempt to ignore it gets us into even more trouble with you. Part of the statement that the writers were going for was that Amy isn't unlike many women in that regard. This time Sheldon was the one who got in trouble over it. Given his general social-relationship immaturity in the bf/gf paradigm it only heightened his troubles. While normal guys will get into some deep water for either trying to be diplomatic about it or simply ingnoring it, Sheldon outright says the worst possible thing he coud. Essentially throwing gasoline in an already big fire. It's funny to watch.

Edited November 10, 2012 by DPK

[SodidIwin?]

I've always LOVED drunk sheldon - I mean the episode where he took of his pants and sung the periodic table song was so funny!! - the writers and jim could have done so much better here

Personally my favorite drunk Sheldon was in the "The Grasshopper Experiment". Penny was tending bar and she got him drunk on Cuba Libres. He played the organ, sang and sucked down drinks through the straw as he did in this episode.

[SodidIwin?]

Let me preface this by giving my apologies to any of the ladies who post here who might take offence, which is not my intention but it deals with a view that many a guy has in regards to the fairer sex. There are times when you ladies seem to make a really big fuss over trivial matters and it puts us guys in a tight spot because if we say anything or even simply attempt to ignore it gets us into even more trouble with you. Part of the statement that the writers were going for was that Amy isn't unlike many women in that regard. This time Sheldon was the one who got in trouble over it. Given his general social-relationship immaturity in the bf/gf paradigm it only heightened his troubles. While normal guys will get into some deep water for either trying to be diplomatic about it or simply ingnoring it, Sheldon outright says the worst possible thing he coud. Essentially throwing gasoline in an already big fire. It's funny to watch.

It's only funny because its happening to another guy!

[SodidIwin?]

Well I don't think Amy's character development had been all over the place

Actually this is what I feel what the writers were thinking regarding this episode( I might be highly off base though )

They wanted Wheaton to call Amy a pain in the ass...which they thought would really stand out given her reaction(so they created a conflict)....so we as audience would want Sheldon to side with Amy...which he does not....so Amy gets upset....

But what actually stood out were the comments that Amy initially made towards Wheaton which were used to start the conflict.... so it was hard to side with Amy

I don't think the plot was that Sheldon would stand by Amy no matter what (good or bad) as the rest of the episode clearly focused on Sheldon coming to terms with the fact that he should have taken Amy's side during the initial conflict...

So in the end I don't think any of it made much sense

If it was all about Sheldon coming to terms with siding with her initially? Then Sheldon learned his lesson. At the end of the show with LB taking WW's place AFF acts just as she did in the first place. However, this time Sheldon whispers to LB that he has to be on her side because she's his girlfriend. Luckily all LB wanted was a free dinner so he didn't care, letting Sheldon off the hook this time. Poor Sheldon unique Amy is going to cause that man a lot of heartburn in the future!

Edited November 10, 2012 by SodidIwin?

[Pomita]

Let me preface this by giving my apologies to any of the ladies who post here who might take offence, which is not my intention but it deals with a view that many a guy has in regards to the fairer sex. There are times when you ladies seem to make a really big fuss over trivial matters and it puts us guys in a tight spot because if we say anything or even simply attempt to ignore it gets us into even more trouble with you. Part of the statement that the writers were going for was that Amy isn't unlike many women in that regard. This time Sheldon was the one who got in trouble over it. Given his general social-relationship immaturity in the bf/gf paradigm it only heightened his troubles. While normal guys will get into some deep water for either trying to be diplomatic about it or simply ingnoring it, Sheldon outright says the worst possible thing he coud. Essentially throwing gasoline in an already big fire. It's funny to watch.

I agree with the rough idea of this, even without the addendum of 'women are like that'. The point was that Amy did behave unreasonably, and Sheldon had to learn how to deal with it without making things worse - which for him was a major lesson.

[djvang]

Well, the statement by SKJ that "...It is high time to get back on track... Otherwise it will not be long until the show dies unnoticed..." Is provably wrong. If it "will not be long until the show dies" when that show set the highest series ratings for the episode he was talking about, it will not die unnoticed. If it takes a while for it to die, then it may die unnoticed. You can't have both at this point, it's illogical. Of course, it could die unnoticed by SKJ.

Maybe he meant that the show will "die" creatively, not in the ratings, yet. It's already changed significantly since the first few seasons - in my opinion, no evidence required.

But I'll step aside now and let him provide his own "evidence" to the many "judges" out here.

Edited November 10, 2012 by djvang

[BangerMain]

Maybe he meant that the show will "die" creatively, not in the ratings, yet. It's already changed significantly since the first few seasons - in my opinion, no evidence required.

But I'll step aside now and let him provide his own "evidence" to the many "judges" out here.

Don't wait too long for SKJ. He created a membership, made the one post and has not logged on since. He did all this in four minutes.

Edited November 11, 2012 by BangerMain

[Tensor]

Maybe he meant that the show will "die" creatively, not in the ratings, yet.

Let's go back to your post, #118, shall we:

"Where's your evidence that it wasn't just his opinion? Prove it. We're talking about subjective issues. There is no right or wrong."

You were all up in arms demanding evidence that SKJ's post wasn't just opinion, wanting proof, claiming these are subjective issues with no right or wrong, yet you are so unsure of SKJ's position that you have to use the qualifier "maybe". If you had to use the qualifier "maybe" after evidence was provided, it's rather obvious that you didn't know what he meant by his statement. And without his qualifying his statement to mean creatively( or anything else), there is no other way to take his meaning. So coming back and trying to change the meaning of the question after the evidence you asked for was given is nothing more than trying to move the goalposts. How about instead of trying to adjust the meaning of the statements to save your argument, you try to provide counter evidence to support your claim?

It's already changed significantly since the first few seasons - in my opinion, no evidence required.

But there is evidence. The first few years, except for 12 episodes of the third season, there were only five series regular characters. Starting in season five, there were seven, and now this season there were eight.

But I'll step aside now and let him provide his own "evidence" to the many "judges" out here.

Well, I wasn't requesting he provide evidence, I was just replying to your demand for evidence. But, if you want to step aside and don't want to provide the evidence, that's fine.

[rubyanjel]

I enjoyed this episode. There were several laugh-out-loud moments and there wasn’t really anything I found objectionable.

There seems to be a common theme to the comments concerning Amy and her behavior. I don’t really get that. Amy is in many ways Sheldon. Does anyone really think he would have been any different if he’d been directing Amy and a guest filming ‘Fun With Flags’? I believe he would have been the same as she was; Critical of the performances and arbitrary in that criticism. Amy knows nothing about acting and neither does Sheldon. That she would be critical of the only ‘actors’ involved is predictable and completely in character. Then, since she believed herself to be right, it is also understandable that she would be upset with Sheldon not defending her. No criticism for Will Wheaton, he was correct in his assessment of Amy as a director.

Amy also is getting flack because she wasn’t impressed with Sheldon’s make-up gift. The choice of gift was perfectly understandable from Sheldon’s perspective. Her disdain was completely understandable from hers. She doesn’t like, or have any interest in, Star Trek, Star Wars, Stargate, or in all likelihood, Star Jones. Again, she is Sheldon. What she doesn’t like or have an interest in she dismisses and derides.

As for the idea that Sheldon is getting the bad end of this relationship; Holy Crap On A Cracker! Are you kidding me? Amy dressed up in a Star Trek uniform for Sheldon. Amy makes Sheldon dinner and serves him Strawberry Quick with Super Mario background music. Amy lets Sheldon violate or manipulate the relationship agreement at every turn. Amy went to a Halloween party with C3PO wearing a red mop string wig and credited him with wearing a couple’s costume. She gives as much, if not more, to this relationship as Sheldon.

Just seen the episode... I liked it.

Amy really needs to get to grips with the fact Sheldon does not get rhetorical questions. He's completely literal. She's a smart cookie she should pick this up soon, right? What would he do without Leonard? his buddy…

The bar scene was fantastic. I love Penny's common sense. And anyone who thinks she would be romantically interested in Sheldon - take a look at him! Nerd central! Amy didn't annoy me, I thought she was funny. She only has eyes for Sheldon, they really are one wacky couple... and he brought her Star Trek!! awww

I had tears in my eyes. These are all what I felt after seeing the episode. I'm REALLY glad to come across this place and still find people who have the same regards that I have.

My thoughts on that Wil/Amy feud was that both of them were in the wrong.

Wil was sincere with doing FWF with Sheldon andand that I don't feel any hints of jealousy as to why was Amy was being bitchy at him. I feel that Amy has this perception/idea/image of how someone who is being featured in their webcast should be acting/speaking. If we are to look at how they presented FWF back in 5.14, Amy and Sheldon were acting/presenting awkwardly. For her, she thinks their acting/presenting method is natural, thus when she cut the first take, she acknowledge Sheldon's acting while she expressed her dismay on Wil's method of delivery. Since she is director, she is to overlook the quality of their work and to make sure it would be consistently up to their (her and Sheldon's) standard. For his part, Sheldon doesn't seem to notice because he's a fanboy of Wheaton and was even clueless when Wil was overacting in the 3rd take. I wonder if their guest were someone who he does not hold with high regards, will he try to correct their acting skill and instruct them to do it their way? For Wheaton's part, even if he was still doing it for free, he was being discourteous and showing arrogance in being the real actor. Even if he was in the right side with regards to acting, I find it insulting and unprofessional not to listen to the director. It's still their show, and at the end of the day, it's their standard to which everyone, even the Shamy themselves, should follow.

It was still wrong that the directing job went over her head and that she became assertive in making Wil do it the way she wanted him to do to the point that she remained clueless on how she disregarded he was the one acting correctly and normally but I see her point in her goal that she only wanted their show to come out perfect and flawless. Now I can also see why Amy felt insulted with Wheaton. Yes, her comments of him were out-of-the-way but she was speaking to him and directed her comments t him. When she did not like him, she told it to his face, though even if she was really assertive, she went on to pushing Wil to do his guesting stint in their show even if she's not satisfied with his acting. Her only problem was his acting, not Wil himself. But Wil complained to Sheldon and called her a pain-in-the-ass and said it loud enough for her to hear instead of confronting her. I can see now why she would really feel insulted. Amy then wanted Wil out and confronted Sheldon but it was not in front of Wheaton and not to his face.

Also, I wanted to point out that I have the very same idea:

Amy's behavior had certainly been obnoxious, but I don't think that the story was about her at all; she was just the trigger to make Sheldon go through what he did. His moment of unexpected vulnerability, when he admitted that he may be a 'callous egomaniac' and felt scared that Amy might leave him, was a huge thing for Sheldon, and he needed that moment of epiphany. Plus, it made him recall all the things she's ever done for him, which has to be substantial.

You can whine about Amy all you want but have you guys eaten your bars? Maybe y'all just hungry.

Edited November 11, 2012 by jeanalice

[bigbangsheldon]

New saying: GO EAT A LUNA BAR!!!!

[BazingaFan]

I watched the episode again last night. You know, Amy's delivery of those lines to Wil Wheaton was very good. I wish they would make her assertive Sheldon-like more often. It was funny and she acted it well.

Also, I was wondering if they taught Kaley how to make a long island iced tea (without the alcohol of course). It looked like she was really making a drink.

[rubyanjel]

I watched the episode again last night. You know, Amy's delivery of those lines to Wil Wheaton was very good. I wish they would make her assertive Sheldon-like more often. It was funny and she acted it well.

Also, I was wondering if they taught Kaley how to make a long island iced tea (without the alcohol of course). It looked like she was really making a drink.

Yeah. Actually I love bitchy, sassy Amy. Reminds me of The Zazzles episode where she said that Sheldon's work is "cute" and that her work is ipso facto more superior than the other guys'.

I think they instructed Kaley how. Though they really did not show what she poured into the mug except for the last one which I'm sure was coke. And I was not entirely impressed with what all the others were yapping about Jim "knowing how to putdown a drink". It was filled with ice. Even if we count all the gaps between the ice it comprised more or less 60% of the glass, plus the drink wasn't that exposed to the ice that much.

[bigbangsheldon]

omg so true its like 90% ice

[Fruit Loop]

Yeah. Actually I love bitchy, sassy Amy. Reminds me of The Zazzles episode where she said that Sheldon's work is "cute" and that her work is ipso facto more superior than the other guys'.

I think they instructed Kaley how. Though they really did not show what she poured into the mug except for the last one which I'm sure was coke. And I was not entirely impressed with what all the others were yapping about Jim "knowing how to putdown a drink". It was filled with ice. Even if we count all the gaps between the ice it comprised more or less 60% of the glass, plus the drink wasn't that exposed to the ice that much.

For all we know that was a trick glass that didn't hold an ounce of colored water. He might of even had to slow down drinking because there was so little liquid. I sure they didn't do 15 takes of Jim P drinking Long Island Tee but what if did.

In Edit:: The more I think about it the TRICK GLASS is what they use. That much Ice could cause brain freezes which can be very painful.

.

Edited November 11, 2012 by Fruit Loop

[Moonbase]

You can get fake plactic ice cube props. He'd freeze his teeth off otherwise and I agree it looks more than it was.

[rubyanjel]

Actually, I always buy a coke float from McDonalds here and since it's cheap, 70-80 percent is made up of ice cubes. I always finish the coke and leave a small amount before I mix the ice cream on top. It's not that cold.

[SodidIwin?]

Yeah. Actually I love bitchy, sassy Amy. Reminds me of The Zazzles episode where she said that Sheldon's work is "cute" and that her work is ipso facto more superior than the other guys'.

I think they instructed Kaley how. Though they really did not show what she poured into the mug except for the last one which I'm sure was coke. And I was not entirely impressed with what all the others were yapping about Jim "knowing how to putdown a drink". It was filled with ice. Even if we count all the gaps between the ice it comprised more or less 60% of the glass, plus the drink wasn't that exposed to the ice that much.

When I spoke about my favorite SHELDON being drunk episode I wasn't trying to demean your precious Jim. However, if we can discuss the character and NOT the actor for one moment if I may. Sheldon is suppose to be against liquor mainly because his father was an alcoholic. I believe he even mentioned he died because of liver problems. Yet in a number of episodes over the seasons they have him get drunk. Also, I can think of them having Sheldon drinking alcohol when he is very stressed out. Two situations come to mind right off the top of my head 1.) When he had to make the speech for winning the award & 2.) this episode when Amy does a psychological number on him and he is afraid of loosing her. I just think it is interesting that the writers would have a drunk Sheldon periodically when it caused him such a mentally sad childhood. Also, because of his childhood experiences with his father perhaps that's why he can plow down the drinks? It is very obvious that when he does drink, he drinks like a pro!

Edited November 11, 2012 by SodidIwin?

[MJistheBOMB]

HeWolf, I don't believe Amy is getting, "flack". People are well aware that she is just like Sheldon....they are simply stating the truth: she WAS being a, "pain in the ass". Often times, as we already know, Sheldon is a pain in the ass too. That's why we love these characters ;-).

Wil could have said she was being a pain in the ass in a way that wasn't offensive but, hey, in the end, he apologized and that's all that matters.

Moonbase, I'm starting to wonder if they did use fake ice cubes now. It almost seems like they don't change shape after Sheldon takes down his drink. LOL.

Monique

[BazingaFan]

When I spoke about my favorite SHELDON being drunk episode I wasn't trying to demean your precious Jim. However, if we can discuss the character and NOT the actor for one moment if I may. Sheldon is suppose to be against liquor mainly because his father was an alcoholic. I believe he even mentioned he died because of liver problems. Yet in a number of episodes over the seasons they have him get drunk. Also, I can think of them having Sheldon drinking alcohol when he is very stressed out. Two situations come to mind right off the top of my head 1.) When he had to make the speech for winning the award & 2.) this episode when Amy does a psychological number on him and he is afraid of loosing her. I just think it is interesting that the writers would have a drunk Sheldon periodically when it caused him such a mentally sad childhood. Also, because of his childhood experiences with his father perhaps that's why he can plow down the drinks? It is very obvious that when he does drink, he drinks like a pro!

in both instances, sheldon was prompted by penny to drink and he trusted her... he really didn't do it on purpose both times. And the time in season one, it was also because penny put it in his coke without knowing. in a way, that makes it funnier because he is getting drunk without even knowing... thinking it was just tea, lol

well, I take that back, there was another time -- he drank at howard's bachelor party on purpose. And, that episode, he was not funny at all. I'm glad the writers figured out how to do it right again.

And, on the topic of sheldon's aversion to drinking being about his father, that is interesting and would make a good thing for the writers to explore in the future.

Edited November 11, 2012 by BazingaFan

[annieogly]

Here; I give you the Sarcasm emoticon!

(it's really for scepticism but hey we can borrow it) I've used it over at the Shenny thread to help, also make it red so people get it...lol

SARCASM EMOTICON

:S

[bigbangsheldon]

wil is supposed to be a pain in the ass, so are sheldon and amy its in their characters it was just a big pain in the ass show down tbh

[Pomita]

It was not me who started this silly business of demanding "evidence" for justifying opinions you happen to disagree with. Why can't you just accept the fact that people have different tastes, preferences and opinions without taking it so ridiculously over the top to try to prove unprovable things?

I'm sorry. 'I don't like this show any more' is an opinion. 'This show is going to tank soon if it goes on in its present way' is not a statement of taste or opinion; it's an example of being blatantly out of touch with the facts, at a time when the show has hit its highest ratings and viewership in its entire 6-year run. That is what SKJ was called out on. I suspect that he genuinely doesn't know the situation; he wasn't being snide or sarcastic, he was concerned.

To your credit, you have never made such an absurd statement. But for some strange reason, you insist on trying to defend one made by someone who dropped in at the forum for 5 minutes.

[SodidIwin?]

I would like to preface this that it is totally my own opinion. However, everyone does realize that this stealth SKJ is sitting somewhere laughing his/her you know what off. All from according to a very astute member indicated it took them 4 minutes to undertake!

[HeWolf]

Here; I give you the Sarcasm emoticon!

(it's really for scepticism but hey we can borrow it) I've used it over at the Shenny thread to help, also make it red so people get it...lol

SARCASM EMOTICON

:S

Looks more like the logo a Shenny shipper would emblazon on their t-shirt...

[SodidIwin?]

in both instances, sheldon was prompted by penny to drink and he trusted her... he really didn't do it on purpose both times. And the time in season one, it was also because penny put it in his coke without knowing. in a way, that makes it funnier because he is getting drunk without even knowing... thinking it was just tea, lol

well, I take that back, there was another time -- he drank at howard's bachelor party on purpose. And, that episode, he was not funny at all. I'm glad the writers figured out how to do it right again.

And, on the topic of sheldon's aversion to drinking being about his father, that is interesting and would make a good thing for the writers to explore in the future.

I agree that in each instance they utilized Penny to provide the liquor to Sheldon to "calm him down". I didn't mean to imply that Sheldon because of his father had some underlying urge to use alcohol to handle his stressful situations. I actually meant that due to his previously expressed childhood it was interesting that the writers used that means to soften his inhibitions. I also did state because of said childhood his ability to down drinks at a rate (no matter who provide those drinks) that only his father would be proud of. The question is then are the writers slowly setting up a future issue about drinking that he so vehemently apposes but handles so expertly when presented to him? (Just a question that popped into my brain while hopped up on tea bags!)