Penny Finally Says I Love You To Leonard But Is It A Game Changer?

[Superlovelexi]

I was so happy tonight that Penny finally came out and said "Listen to me, you are the one I’m with. You know I love you so will you please relax because you’re driving me crazy."

One of best Lenny moments in BBT history right up there with the time he kissed her and she said "the cat's alive" or the time he came back from the North pole and she jump kissed him then later gave her that snowflake.

But what I want to know is do ya'll think this will be a Game Changer for their relationship ?

I mean I know the writers will continue to milk the will they won't they between Penny and Leonard til judgment day naturally, but first off do you think this will finally put to rest any lingering rumours fans may have that one she doesn't really love him at all or is only stringing him along out of boredom and fear of breaking his heart, two that she may still secretly love someone else like her high school love Kurt or Sheldon like shenny shippers want to pretend she does and three does it mean that Penny and Leonard really will get married someday like Howard and Bernadette?! Do you think Leonard will try to propose again now that he knows for sure Penny loves him?

I mean could this be the turn around moment for the L/P relationship? I really hope so. We've waited five and a half seasons for Penny to say those three little words to him and she did it so casually and naturally like she's felt that way for a long time and was just saying it like any normal girlfriend would say to her jealous boyfriend. It was wonderful!

So I will not accept any nonsense answers that she didn't mean it or that she was only saying it to make Leonard feel better. Nope she meant it and writers meant for her to mean it that was clear because she didn't even realize she said it until afterwards and when she did realize it they made the BIG DRAMATIC PAUSE to make sure we all knew they both knew she said it. And she didn't even try to backtrack out of it when Leonard asked her if she realize that was first time she ever said it she knew it was and said Yep! and then she did cutest thing by starting to tear up like she was realizing for the first time how special and important those words for their relationship were and how being able to finally say I LOVE YOU out loud laid to rest any linger doubts she might have had about her relationship. She indeed really did mean it and knew Leonard would make a big deal too and start crying if she started crying so she left.

My other question is do you think now that she said it that she will say it again or more often to make it clear not only to Leonard, but to her friends too. I mean do you think Penny will ever say "I love you Leonard" in front of the rest of the gang or will she start saying it while lying in bed with him after sex or will it be just a one time thing.

And of course final question, how long before Leonard screws it up by pressuring her to say it so much that she then says something awful like "nevermind I take it back" just to annoy us long gestating L/P shippers all over again. We all know Leonard is total goober when it comes to Penny and always finds some way to piss her off with his clingness and jealous behavior so how long do you think this period of L/P emotional growth will last before the backtrack happens again. One episode, two? or will it wait until end of season when they need a cliffhanger?

Edited November 16, 2012 by Superlovelexi

[ibill]

It was great. Just my opinion, but I think this show will end, whenever that is, just like Friends did, with all of them finding their loves and getting married. I mean really, Penny and Leonard are just like Ross and Rachael on friends, on again off again for years until the end when they end up together. Just like Monica and Chandler getting married early on in the series like Howard and Bernadette. It worked successfully for friends for I think 8 yrs. and it appears the writers are following the same script.

[C-Trayne]

I think that this ILY from penny is exactly what both characters really needed to hear and will hopefully be the glue that keeps them together for a long time.

On one hand we have penny who has long had commitment issues. And who can blame her after what happened with Kurt. The last guy she gave her heart to, who then betrayed her. I think that she really needed to hear herself say it. And like you said she didn't think about, didn't plan it, and was unprepared for it. All she was saying what she truly felt at her core before she ended up over thinking things. I think this will clarify her feelings for leonard and hopefully allow her to move forward with him in the relationship

On the other hand we have leonard. Who has been suffering from his own insecurity issues. I think him hearing the ILY from penny is going to move him just as far forward in the relationship as penny. For a long time he has been afraid that she doesn't really feel this way about him. And without knowing if she loves him, lenoard is perfectly in the right to far other, attractive guys who are constantly hitting on penny. But after hearing her come out and say the big ILY then i think he may be able to move past that and start trusting both her and himself a little bit more.

The last thing i thought was really important about this scene was how BEFORE she says it, Leonard admits taht he has insecurity issues "this isn't on you, its all up here i need to work it out" (not the exact quote but similar... and "here" refers to lenoards head). This shows Leonard basically coming clean to penny. He says that he does have those issus and he needs to work through it. However, penny admitting her love for him i think will be far better at helping him get past it.

This ILY is a big moment in this relationship and personally i am going to hope that it will mean less conflict between the two and since we know that they both care about eachother a lot now this will hopefully spell good things for the future.

[Fruit Loop]

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I am going with something I already Posted a little about and that is ALEX and LEONARD. Alex is Leonard's intellectual equal with Physics as a common interest. She isn't bad looking either. SHE IS THE ANTAGONIST THAT WILL SHOW PENNY LEONARD IS ABLE TO BREAK UP WITH HER. No leonard won't cheat on Penny because that is not his style, But Alex will help bond or break the relationship.

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[Superlovelexi]

Perhaps, but Leonard had his chance with very smart girls before, Stephanie the doctor, Priya the Lawyer and he even dated Priya for a long time before they broke up and it was what made Penny realize she wanted Leonard back, so they may try to use Alex as another foil to the L/P relationship but I think ultimately Leonard loves Penny and always has and now that he knows Penny loves him even if Alex tries to make a move on him I hope Leonard shuts her down. But, they may do the classically lame sitcom scenario where they get Leonard drunk and then when his inhibitions are down Alex kisses him and Penny walks in and sees it or maybe SHeldon will see it and have a hard time keeping it secret.

I also think it be funny to watch Amy, Bernadette and Penny gang up on Alex the way they did on Priya, but I like Alex more than Priya so I prefer if they don't make her a homewrecker and just have her move on to Raj instead. Raj needs a girlfriend so he can stop being the token minority with no love interest its been that way for five and half seasons for him its kind of unfair IMHO.

Edited November 17, 2012 by Superlovelexi

[C-Trayne]

Exactly... as Leonard says in this episode, guys hit on penny and he has to watch it and get jealous or insecure. Penny never has that problem with Leonard... until now? I think they may use Alex to show penny kind of how it feels when the one u love is being hit on by another person.

Ultimately I think this will help the relationship when penny finally understands what Leonard has been going through for years

[Superlovelexi]

I just don't want Penny and Leonard to break up again right away over this, maybe next season or as season cliffhangar they can break up for some silly reason, but not over Penny being jealous of Alex because really Penny has nothing to be jealous of Leonard loves her and only her so its just going to make Penny look childish and petty for laughs and make L/P shippers hate on Alex. Also Leonard does not even get that Alex likes him yet he is that clueless about it so if Penny starts acting jealous and Leonard finally realizes Alex likes him for real. He's just going to try to milk it for pay back on all times he had to watch hot guys hit on Penny and that will only make Leonard look like a jerk and make Penny mad at him again.

[Fruit Loop]

Perhaps, but Leonard had his chance with very smart girls before, Stephanie the doctor, Priya the Lawyer and he even dated Priya for a long time before they broke up and it was what made Penny realize she wanted Leonard back, so they may try to use Alex as another foil to the L/P relationship but I think ultimately Leonard loves Penny and always has and now that he knows Penny loves him even if Alex tries to make a move on him I hope Leonard shuts her down. But, they may do the classically lame sitcom scenario where they get Leonard drunk and then when his inhibitions are down Alex kisses him and Penny walks in and sees it or maybe SHeldon will see it and have a hard time keeping it secret.

I also think it be funny to watch Amy, Bernadette and Penny gang up on Alex the way they did on Priya, but I like Alex more than Priya so I prefer if they don't make her a homewrecker and just have her move on to Raj instead. Raj needs a girlfriend so he can stop being the token minority with no love interest its been that way for five and half seasons for him its kind of unfair IMHO.

Yes the writers will have a ball with the girl talk which helps to bond their relationship with each other. Alex is the antagonist and is positioned in such a way as Sheldon's helper to cause uproar to L/P, S/A Raj and the 3 girls. Howard is the only one left out but then what about the Old Howard coming back out???

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[Superlovelexi]

Perhaps, but I doubt Howard will care much unless Bernadette tries to drag him into it. If anything Howard would try to have Leonard's back and Raj would get really jealous because he wants Alex for himself. I still think its possible that Alex will move on when she realizes she has no real shot with Leonard and possibly hit it off with Raj instead.

Edited November 18, 2012 by Superlovelexi

[C-Trayne]

Another possible option is them using alex as kind of an ultimate form of temptation for leonard. As he says there are few women who would want to hit on him so when/if he finally realizes alex is, whats gonna happen? We watched him nearly give in with the comic book girl while he was dating Priya so what might happen now if Alex gets bolder?

I think it would be funny if theres a scene where Alex just gives in, corners Leonard in his lab and kind of jumps on him and kisses him without his consent. Naturally Leonard would break it off quickly but i think the funny part would then be him trying to decide how or if to tell penny and when he does, he'd be all sorry and really worried she'd break up with him. She might be hurt at first but once she learned that he didn't initiate or continue the kiss how she reacted towards alex could also be amusing O.o

[mjc45]

i do not think they will break-up, or alex

will push leonard, penny could be the problem.

ok that said--leonard stays with one girlfriend

at a time.he wanted to cheat on priya with alice

but he was loyal to her,then dump her when

she cheated on him.

alex flirting with leonard he does not know what had happened

she was a friendly girl-after penny told him ILY.

after the writers have spent all season working on penny

to give it back, going to school,see her man at is job.

we will see more after the new year--valentines day is on

thursday would it be nice if they went to switzerland, that they

miss out on last time.

p.s.-lexi have new chapter coming out.

[Ayebee]

I just don't want Penny and Leonard to break up again right away over this, maybe next season or as season cliffhangar they can break up for some silly reason, but not over Penny being jealous of Alex because really Penny has nothing to be jealous of Leonard loves her and only her so its just going to make Penny look childish and petty for laughs and make L/P shippers hate on Alex. Also Leonard does not even get that Alex likes him yet he is that clueless about it so if Penny starts acting jealous and Leonard finally realizes Alex likes him for real. He's just going to try to milk it for pay back on all times he had to watch hot guys hit on Penny and that will only make Leonard look like a jerk and make Penny mad at him again.

Yeah, but that's the thing. Neither Penny nor Leonard realizes that other people hit on them, but it's the counterpart that notices! Leonard is saying that Penny's friend hits on her, but she doesn't see it, while Leonard doesn't understand that Alex hits on him, while Penny understood that in episode 3 in this season!

[Europa]

I don't think Penny is ever confused about a man hitting on her. She's used to it. She's attuned to the signs. If her British partner is hitting on her, she'd know right away, but I can see why she would deny it to Leonard anyway, because he's so insecure and jealous. Maybe not so much now that the ILY is out there.

Leonard, however, is not used to being hit on (obviously; and without any reason, as he's been hit on plenty throughout the series, but that's another whole argument). I was hoping Alex was introduced as a potential mate for Raj, but it seems she's into Leonard. Probably this will come up again this season but I hope it's not in some stupid, contrived sitcom way where Penny walks in on her trying to kiss Leonard or whatever. That said, I can totally see a scene where Penny walks in on Alex throwing herself at Leonard and overhears him saying "No thanks, I love my girlfriend," but there wouldn't be much point to that since Penny already knows Leonard loves her.

I'm rambling! To sum up: I think Penny finally saying ILY will do nothing but strengthen the relationship. At least, that's what I hope.

Edited November 18, 2012 by Europa

[Ayebee]

I don't think Penny is ever confused about a man hitting on her. She's used to it. She's attuned to the signs. If her British partner is hitting on her, she'd know right away, but I can see why she would deny it to Leonard anyway, because he's so insecure and jealous. Maybe not so much now that the ILY is out there.

Leonard, however, is not used to being hit on (obviously; and without any reason, as he's been hit on plenty throughout the series, but that's another whole argument). I was hoping Alex was introduced as a potential mate for Raj, but it seems she's into Leonard. Probably this will come up again this season but I hope it's not in some stupid, contrived sitcom way where Penny walks in on her trying to kiss Leonard or whatever. That said, I can totally see a scene where Penny walks in on Alex throwing herself at Leonard and overhears him saying "No thanks, I love my girlfriend," but there wouldn't be much point to that since Penny already knows Leonard loves her.

I'm rambling! To sum up: I think Penny finally saying ILY will do nothing but strengthen the relationship. At least, that's what I hope.

Indeed, and I hope so too. Their relationship has been shaky all this season, but it looks like the writers are taking small steps to, in the end, actually strengthen the relationship drastically.

[Tensor]

Leonard, however, is not used to being hit on (obviously; and without any reason, as he's been hit on plenty throughout the series, but that's another whole argument).

I'm not sure about this. All of the hitting on Leonard that he noticed was rather overt. Leslie had to be specific and clear before Leonard understood her double entendres. Dr Plimpton has to undress before he get it. Priya grabbed him to kiss him the first time we see her. Mrs Latham grabbed him to kiss him in the car. The only one I'm not sure of is Dr. Stephanie, as they were already kissing when the scene shifted to them. Although Stephanie's statement that Leonard "hadn't finished seeing her tonight", and his rather surprised response indicates he wasn't aware of her specific intentions. Understanding being hit on subtly doesn't seem to be one of Leonard's strong suits

[C-Trayne]

I'm going to agree with tensor on this one. I think that when it comes to women and flirtation Leonard is nearly clueless... He has had little to no female interaction throughout his life except for the few women mentioned above and all had to be extremely specific about what was going on. The only time he seemed to know what was going was with Alice after she told him she was hitting on him for the comic book.

I'm hoping this ILY from penny kind of makes all of that moot. He knows that she loves him now and has no reason to be insecure or worried about other women any more. Here's to bigger and better things in their relationship... if we ever get to see them interact again of course.

[sjgranic]

I SERIOUSLY CANNOT BELIEVE HOW EVERYBODY SEEEMS TO HAVE THE SAME OPINION ABOUT THIS. As I have said on other postings, I believe Leonards to be the most awful character (only equalling Howard) and I have never found the Penny/Leonard relationship feasible. She may not be that intelligent but she's good-looking and the sort of woman guys hit on a lot. I believe she would only ever have had Leonard as a friend and possibly a drunken one night stand. I don't see how all these people cannot see through what is blatantly the writers' attempt to have a bit of 'will she/won't she?' drama. It doesn't gel for any thinking person.

Really people have a good long think about it. How can that stocky little neanderthal get any woman, let alone an attractive one? I didn't like Priya but I still found her far too good for him and didn't believe in that relationship either.

Far more feasible a storyline would be for Penny to have very confused but real feelings for Sheldon. He is by far the best looking on the show (followed hotly on the heels by Raj) with the best body and it stands to reason that Penny would fall for him as she gets to know him. The Penny/Leonard thing is the one wrong note on this show and I personally - along with many friends - find it nauseating!

[annieogly]

I SERIOUSLY CANNOT BELIEVE HOW EVERYBODY SEEEMS TO HAVE THE SAME OPINION ABOUT THIS. As I have said on other postings, I believe Leonards to be the most awful character (only equalling Howard) and I have never found the Penny/Leonard relationship feasible. She may not be that intelligent but she's good-looking and the sort of woman guys hit on a lot. I believe she would only ever have had Leonard as a friend and possibly a drunken one night stand. I don't see how all these people cannot see through what is blatantly the writers' attempt to have a bit of 'will she/won't she?' drama. It doesn't gel for any thinking person.

Really people have a good long think about it. How can that stocky little neanderthal get any woman, let alone an attractive one? I didn't like Priya but I still found her far too good for him and didn't believe in that relationship either.

Far more feasible a storyline would be for Penny to have very confused but real feelings for Sheldon. He is by far the best looking on the show (followed hotly on the heels by Raj) with the best body and it stands to reason that Penny would fall for him as she gets to know him. The Penny/Leonard thing is the one wrong note on this show and I personally - along with many friends - find it nauseating!

 

this is so true and I'm with you

1) about the attraction (the only way congenitally insecure and  needy Leonard could pull a beautiful woman is if he were a billionaire and bought one.)

 

and 2) the story writers having fun and making drama with the Lenny.

 

3) Yes, more feasible is that Penny would have feelings for Sheldon who is the tallest, best looking and most successful (intellectual Alpha male), as I pointed out this is a classic Hollywood trope [innocent intellectual male and gorgeous street-smart woman]found in such great comedies as "The Lady Eve", "Bringing up Baby" and "Ball of Fire"  , followed by Raj who is also handsome, cultured, intelligent and wealthy.

 

I love this season there are many classic episodes but the pairings don't work. I've predicted that the writers are forecasting L/P will break up and so will S/A. We'll see who's right.

Edited December 6, 2012 by annieogly

[C-Trayne]

OK I can't tell if your being serious here or not... if your serious I'm not really even sure what to say... your arguments dont even really make sense.

First u say that Leonard is unattractive and therefore shouldn't get a girl... well that's not exactly what relationships are about is it? And if it is for u well I feel bad u...

Second u say Leonard's insecurities are what would drive woman away and yet u suggest penny fall for Sheldon who is very often upfront about telling penny and the others off or being condescending or just being a crazy jackass. U don't think those traits are more off setting than Leonard's justified security issues?

I could go on and on but I'm at work and I'll add more when I can get on a computer instead of my phone...

[Tensor]

[quote name="annieogly" post="73557" time="1354833234"]this is so true and I'm with you 1) about the attraction (the only way congenitally insecure and needy Leonard could pull a beautiful woman is if he were a billionaire and bought one.)

[Europa]

and 2) the story writers having fun and making drama with the Lenny.

Edited December 7, 2012 by Europa

[goblyn-ina-trenchcoat]

I'm on my phone so I'll have more to say later about your and sjgranic's other statements. But for now, two things. One, your statement is simply nonsensical bullshit. Two, I'm extremely happy my wife is no where near as ignorant and shallow as you appear to be from that statement.

 

 

OK I can't tell if your being serious here or not... if your serious I'm not really even sure what to say... your arguments dont even really make sense.

First u say that Leonard is unattractive and therefore shouldn't get a girl... well that's not exactly what relationships are about is it? And if it is for u well I feel bad u...

Second u say Leonard's insecurities are what would drive woman away and yet u suggest penny fall for Sheldon who is very often upfront about telling penny and the others off or being condescending or just being a crazy jackass. U don't think those traits are more off setting than Leonard's justified security issues?

I could go on and on but I'm at work and I'll add more when I can get on a computer instead of my phone...

I was gonna say something here but you guys got it.

[vasu]

 

I love this season there are many classic episodes but the pairings don't work. I've predicted that the writers are forecasting L/P will break up and so will S/A. We'll see who's right.

 

I have predicted that they will not break-up L\P again. So CHALLENGE ACCEPTED 

Edited December 7, 2012 by vasu

[Tensor]

I SERIOUSLY CANNOT BELIEVE HOW EVERYBODY SEEEMS TO HAVE THE SAME OPINION ABOUT THIS. As I have said on other postings' date=' I believe Leonards to be the most awful character (only equalling Howard)  [/quote']

 

Seriously?  Leonard awful?   Holy crap on a cracker.    Let me guess, a Shenny shipper, right?

 

and I have never found the Penny/Leonard relationship feasible. She may not be that intelligent but she's good-looking and the sort of woman guys hit on a lot. 

 

Which has what, exactly to do with who she likes?

 

I believe she would only ever have had Leonard as a friend and possibly a drunken one night stand. I don't see how all these people cannot see through what is blatantly the writers' attempt to have a bit of 'will she/won't she?' drama. It doesn't gel for any thinking person.

 

Well, if you get beyond the weak, immature idea that the only reason anyone goes out with anyone else is only because of their looks or shouldn't stay with someone because of what you perceive to be shortcoming on someone else's behalf, then sure, it may not gel.  However, there is much more going on in a relationship, most thinking people get that.  

 

Really people have a good long think about it. How can that stocky little neanderthal get any woman' date=' let alone an attractive one? [/quote']

 

When we first met,  my wife and Kaley could be sisters, Leonard is better looking than I was (Leonard,  Johnny, when not in character is far above in the looks department to the early 20s me)  and it took me quite a while to get over my insecurities from my teenage years(try starting your senior year in high school at 15).   But hey, we ended up together.  Good thing we didn't spend too much time overthinking it, eh?

 

Far more feasible a storyline would be for Penny to have very confused but real feelings for Sheldon. He is by far the best looking on the show (followed hotly on the heels by Raj) with the best body 

 

You sound as if you're eighteen years old and part of some sort of "I should get all the girls because I'm better looking" clique.   Grow up.  

 

and it stands to reason that Penny would fall for him as she gets to know him. 

 

You mean like when he denigrates her for her lack of education?  Or, makes fun of her because she's a only a waitress?  Or tells her she doesn't know the purpose of gasoline in the internal combustion engine, etc, etc, etc.    Yeah, why not go for that instead of someone who willing to stand up for you (even if you don't know it); or is willing to talk to you, to try and make you feel better, when things are going bad for you; or wants to keep you in his life, even if you're the on that broke it off and he's dating someone else, etc, etc, etc.   

 

The Penny/Leonard thing is the one wrong note on this show and I personally - along with many friends - find it nauseating!

 

Yeah, make an issue of someone else's looks, and others problems and totally ignore the qualities that someone, other than yourself, may find attractive. What I find nauseating is someone who appears to be as shallow and ignorant as you appear to be from your comments.   

[Tensor]

this is so true and I'm with you

1) about the attraction (the only way congenitally insecure and  needy Leonard could pull a beautiful woman is if he were a billionaire and bought one.)

  

I covered this earlier.  

 

and 2) the story writers having fun and making drama with the Lenny.

 

Well, yeah, that fun and drama makes comedy, which is what this show is all about. 

 

3) Yes, more feasible is that Penny would have feelings for Sheldon who is the tallest, best looking and most successful (intellectual Alpha male),

 

According to whom????????  You???? Just because you think it is so, doens't mean everyone thinks it's so, even those other fictional people have different opinions. 

 

as I pointed out this is a classic Hollywood trope [innocent intellectual male and gorgeous street-smart woman]found in such great comedies as "The Lady Eve", "Bringing up Baby" and "Ball of Fire",

 

You do realize that Leonard, and Howard, and Raj also fit the bill here, right?  Any of them could fulfill the innocent intellectual male trope.  

 

followed by Raj who is also handsome, cultured, intelligent and wealthy.

 

Not to mention the endearing quality of not being able to talk to women. I bet you could name a lot of women who would just love to jump on someone with that trait.  And it must work for Raj, after all, look at all the serious relationships he's been in during the run of the show.

 

I love this season there are many classic episodes but the pairings don't work. I've predicted that the writers are forecasting L/P will break up and so will S/A. We'll see who's right.

 

Yeah, we get it, you just love the idea of Sheldon and Penny.  But, the logic you're using to come to that conclusion is totally flawed.   Love on Shenny all you want to, but try to come up with some actual solid reasoning instead of unsupported assertions or superficial, frivolous things such as looks.